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AAS cycle little brother
« on: November 15, 2013, 08:53:14 AM »
My little brother is planning 2 cycles.

1-Massa

Week 1-10

TestE 1000 mg
Deca  600 mg

Week 1-4
Dianabol 50 mg


2-Cutting cycle (july 2014)

W1-10

TestE  500 mg
Tren A approx 1000 mg per week
Oral winstrol 60 mg per day (W1-4)

He has one concern about it:

His levels of cholesterol are not so perfect. his HDL/LDL ratio is not ok.
What to do? waiting for a better ratio before using the gear? or less amounts of roids?

What do you guys think?





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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2013, 08:55:47 AM »
My little brother is planning 2 cycles.

1-Massa

Week 1-10

TestE 1000 mg
Deca  600 mg

Week 1-4
Dianabol 50 mg


2-Cutting cycle (july 2014)

W1-10

TestE  500 mg
Tren A approx 1000 mg per week
Oral winstrol 60 mg per day (W1-4)

He has one concern about it:

His levels of cholesterol are not so perfect. his HDL/LDL ratio is not ok.
What to do? waiting for a better ratio before using the gear? or less amounts of roids?

What do you guys think?





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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2013, 09:55:03 AM »
you think its so easy to tell why his cholesterol is out of whack?

you realize that even many docs couldnt tell?

has he checked whether hes diabetic?

not just blodsugar test, but full out looking if he got fatty liver, insulin resistency etc?

i think i know why it is.

if hes going to go for "massa" ( ::) ) things will worsen.

its not as simple as you think.

if he got insulin resistency, he got other things to worry about.

i can ask some more things about parameters.

whats his bodyfat, what his stomach circumference?
triglyceride levels?
hdl cholesterol?
bloodpressure
bloodsugar on empty stomach.

list these if you can.

has he got high vldl cholesterol, high triglycerides, low ldl cholesterol and low hdl cholesterol?

post those, before that, any further discussion is pointless, can bet on that.

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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2013, 09:57:57 AM »
this is btw an insane dose cycle for someone with bad cholesterol readings, and most likely ignorant diet behaviors.


a recipe for disaster.

whats his diet, if he even has something like that
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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2013, 10:02:27 AM »
My little brother is planning 2 cycles.

1-Massa

Week 1-10

TestE 1000 mg
Deca  600 mg

Week 1-4
Dianabol 50 mg


2-Cutting cycle (july 2014)

W1-10

TestE  500 mg
Tren A approx 1000 mg per week
Oral winstrol 60 mg per day (W1-4)

He has one concern about it:

His levels of cholesterol are not so perfect. his HDL/LDL ratio is not ok.
What to do? waiting for a better ratio before using the gear? or less amounts of roids?

What do you guys think?






Bulking looks good in theory, but would fuck with his cholesterol levels if you take into account he'll be eating more (presumably unclean) and popping dbols.
When cutting he's going to be using 1g tren a week? I know guys that jump off the wall at 700mg/wk... I hope he's run it before and knows how he reacts to it.
I'm not sure how tren will affect his cholesterol (I can only assume it wouldn't affect it positively), someone might want to chime in on that.

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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2013, 10:07:10 AM »
My little brother is planning 2 cycles.

1-Massa

Week 1-10

TestE 1000 mg
Deca  600 mg

Week 1-4
Dianabol 50 mg


2-Cutting cycle (july 2014)

W1-10

TestE  500 mg
Tren A approx 1000 mg per week
Oral winstrol 60 mg per day (W1-4)

He has one concern about it:

His levels of cholesterol are not so perfect. his HDL/LDL ratio is not ok.
What to do? waiting for a better ratio before using the gear? or less amounts of roids?

What do you guys think?






If I were him I'd first clean up my diet and make sure cholesterol readings get into the normal range.

I'd keep bulking dosages the same, I'm a huge fan of test + deca + dbol for mass gain (even though I hate orals).
For cutting I'd replace Test E with sust 250, winstrol for 4 weeks is ok (but again, I'm not a big fan of orals), but the tren is way too high. Cut it down to 700mg/wk max and add masteron at 300mg/wk. Taking into account diet and cardio are on point he should see some very good results.

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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2013, 10:11:06 AM »
you think its so easy to tell why his cholesterol is out of whack?

you realize that even many docs couldnt tell?

has he checked whether hes diabetic? [/b]he is not diabetic

not just blodsugar test, but full out looking if he got fatty liver, insulin resistency etc?

i think i know why it is.

if hes going to go for "massa" ( ::) ) things will worsen. why? through the dianabol?

its not as simple as you think.

if he got insulin resistency, he got other things to worry about.

i can ask some more things about parameters.

whats his bodyfat, what his stomach circumference? BF 17%
triglyceride levels? 2.0 (in Europe very good)
hdl cholesterol? 0.8
bloodpressure  was ok something around 100
bloodsugar on empty stomach. we dont know

list these if you can. see also below and under. only these are European Dutch standards not US.

has he got high vldl cholesterol, high triglycerides, low ldl cholesterol and low hdl cholesterol? see below

post those, before that, any further discussion is pointless, can bet on that.




Ok bro. here it come's what we know about it (see also above)


ALAT 46
ASAT 27
Gamma YT 26
Cholesterol totaal 5.4
HDL cholesterol 0.8
LDL cholesterol 3.7
Ratio Cholesterol/HDL 6.8
Triglyceride 2.0


What do you think?

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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2013, 10:12:26 AM »
this is btw an insane dose cycle for someone with bad cholesterol readings, and most likely ignorant diet behaviors.


a recipe for disaster.

whats his diet, if he even has something like that

What do you suggest?

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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2013, 10:14:16 AM »
Bulking looks good in theory, but would fuck with his cholesterol levels if you take into account he'll be eating more (presumably unclean) and popping dbols.
When cutting he's going to be using 1g tren a week? I know guys that jump off the wall at 700mg/wk... I hope he's run it before and knows how he reacts to it.
I'm not sure how tren will affect his cholesterol (I can only assume it wouldn't affect it positively), someone might want to chime in on that.

Maybe it is better to skip the orals and substitute the tren for Primobolan/Masteron?

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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2013, 10:16:13 AM »
If I were him I'd first clean up my diet and make sure cholesterol readings get into the normal range.

I'd keep bulking dosages the same, I'm a huge fan of test + deca + dbol for mass gain (even though I hate orals).
For cutting I'd replace Test E with sust 250, winstrol for 4 weeks is ok (but again, I'm not a big fan of orals), but the tren is way too high. Cut it down to 700mg/wk max and add masteron at 300mg/wk. Taking into account diet and cardio are on point he should see some very good results.

Does make sense what you suggest.
Only my little brother is always eating clean. (maybe sometimes too much red meat)

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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2013, 10:23:14 AM »
try the anabolic halo cycle

its cheap reliable and works

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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2013, 11:39:44 AM »
Does make sense what you suggest.
Only my little brother is always eating clean. (maybe sometimes too much red meat)

What are his stats? Bodyfat (if you don't know %, then can he see abs/serratus muscle?), height, weight and also his history with steroids (first cycle? second? 10th?).
If he's eating clean as a natty then he's probably quite small so a bulk is definitely in order before a proper cut.
I'll tell you how I do bulk/cut, and you can get what you need out of the information:
When I bulk I like to add 1 "bad" food every 2 days to start with. A bad food could be a chocolate bar or a small bowl of pasta or something along those lines. Then after 2 weeks if I don't notice much water retention or fat gain I'd add another bad food but every day, then 2 meals a day, but usually won't go up from there. Just add more calories from what I've got. I figure if I can make out my abs then I'm doing it right.
When I'm ready to cut I cut out all the "bad" food right away, which usually makes me drop about 10lbs or 15lbs of water within 2 weeks or so, then I start reducing calories carb-wise, but keep the fats and proteins the same as on the bulk. Then after about a month and a half of that I start adding fasted cardio (at this point I have a pretty crisp 6 pack, but hold fat and water in lower back and love-handles). When I feel like I'm ready to "take it to the next level" I drop the carbs completely, keep the cardio at about 45min 5days/wk and drop protein to 1g to 1lb BW. This gets me damn close to near competition shape.

And just an aside, I don't think of red meat as being "unclean". It may not play well with his elevated cholesterol, but for a healthy person red meat once or twice a week isn't going to hurt. I personally eat beef almost every breakfast (unless I have eggs). I tend to digest beef much better than eggs. I've tried fish for breakfast but I would get too hungry an hour later.

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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2013, 04:00:23 PM »
Ok bro. here it come's what we know about it (see also above)


ALAT 46
ASAT 27
Gamma YT 26
Cholesterol totaal 5.4
HDL cholesterol 0.8
LDL cholesterol 3.7
Ratio Cholesterol/HDL 6.8
Triglyceride 2.0


What do you think?
can you add the units after the numbers, the reverting from us to euro norm is bit complicated for me.

if possible, blood pressure numbers and fsated bloodsugar levels.

oh and rough bodyfat% and waist measure.

the liver values look excellent, but this mustnt mean much.

the cholesterol looks quite quite out of whack ,esp for natural.

he should get his diet fixed asap.

please post the unit to the numbers,,in mg per dl if possible, if not ill calculate.
cheers.
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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2013, 06:39:06 AM »
can you add the units after the numbers, the reverting from us to euro norm is bit complicated for me.

if possible, blood pressure numbers and fsated bloodsugar levels.

oh and rough bodyfat% and waist measure.

the liver values look excellent, but this mustnt mean much.

the cholesterol looks quite quite out of whack ,esp for natural.

he should get his diet fixed asap.

please post the unit to the numbers,,in mg per dl if possible, if not ill calculate.
cheers.



Oke. see info below what i have found.
Hopefully it is more clear for you. ;)

Many thanks in advance bro!!!!!

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ASAT                           27 U/L                            <35
ALAT                           46 U/L                             <45
Gamma-GT                    26 U/L                            <50
Cholsterol Total              5.4 mmol/L                      <5.0
HDL Cholesterol              0.8 mmol/L                       >0.9
LDL Cholesterol               3.7 mmol/L                      <3.2
Ratio Cholesterol/HDL       6.8                                <5.0
Triglyceriden                   2.0 mmol/L                      <1.7

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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2013, 08:10:30 AM »
theliver and its ggt looks good, the rest looks bad,man.

is he fat-skinnyfat?

waist measurement, rough bodyfat estimate and bloodpressure would be imporatnat to know, but just based on the above ,he qualifies for metabolic syndrom already.

that is no good.

not sure if steroids would be smart here, maybe minimum dosages and on a carb restrictive diet.

if hed do a "bulk" with many carbs, hed be asking for problems.

yea, a high caloric bulk is the last thing he should be doing.

more cardio, less carbs.

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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2013, 09:15:10 AM »
Also important to know: Any other 'hobbies' that we should know of? Alcohol abuse, other drugs?

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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2013, 09:52:53 AM »
I am telling you from my experience to get in shape first, AAS for you comes a lot later. My cholestrol was not in normal range when i started my first. Mid way, it went through the roof. Then i paid attention to details, i.e., my diet and came out of it.

I had started 1 cup of ground flax seed, 200mg alpha lipoic acid, garlic pearls, ashwagandha, chromium picolinate and NAC.
theliver and its ggt looks good, the rest looks bad,man.

is he fat-skinny?



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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2013, 07:08:32 AM »
theliver and its ggt looks good, the rest looks bad,man.

is he fat-skinnyfat?

waist measurement, rough bodyfat estimate and bloodpressure would be imporatnat to know, but just based on the above ,he qualifies for metabolic syndrom already.

that is no good.

not sure if steroids would be smart here, maybe minimum dosages and on a carb restrictive diet.

if hed do a "bulk" with many carbs, hed be asking for problems.

yea, a high caloric bulk is the last thing he should be doing.

more cardio, less carbs.



Thanks for your answer. well his bodyfat is approx 17% his weight approx 98KG

Which roids and in which quantity you are thinking for him?

Orals for example anavar/winstrol on low dose is not done for him?

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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2013, 07:10:43 AM »
Also important to know: Any other 'hobbies' that we should know of? Alcohol abuse, other drugs?

No. only 3 glasses of wine every weekend but nothing more.

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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2013, 07:12:10 AM »
theliver and its ggt looks good, the rest looks bad,man.

is he fat-skinnyfat?

waist measurement, rough bodyfat estimate and bloodpressure would be imporatnat to know, but just based on the above ,he qualifies for metabolic syndrom already.

that is no good.

not sure if steroids would be smart here, maybe minimum dosages and on a carb restrictive diet.

He is not fatty...

if hed do a "bulk" with many carbs, hed be asking for problems.

yea, a high caloric bulk is the last thing he should be doing.

more cardio, less carbs.



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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2013, 08:56:15 AM »
Thanks for your answer. well his bodyfat is approx 17% his weight approx 98KG

Which roids and in which quantity you are thinking for him?

Orals for example anavar/winstrol on low dose is not done for him?
hm, his liver is fine it seems, orals he can do.

but the cholesterol, he should stay away from any "cutting" steroids.

this means, no non estrogen convertables.no winstrol, no tren, no masteron.these would make the cholesterol numbers even worse.

can use eq and-or test, low dose, and must get leaner,can do that on cycle.

the cholesterol numbers im 99% sure , come from too many carbs too often.

a low or very low carb diet would be best.

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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2013, 09:05:56 AM »
hm, his liver is fine it seems, orals he can do.

but the cholesterol, he should stay away from any "cutting" steroids.

this means, no non estrogen convertables.no winstrol, no tren, no masteron.these would make the cholesterol numbers even worse.

can use eq and-or test, low dose, and must get leaner,can do that on cycle.

the cholesterol numbers im 99% sure , come from too many carbs too often.

a low or very low carb diet would be best.

cheers


Thanks again.

You suggest that it can come from to many carbohydrates? why do you think that?

What do you think about anavar 60 mg per day and TestE 250/500 mg per week?
Sounds good to you?
Or dianabol instead of anavar?




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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2013, 09:20:29 AM »

Thanks again.

You suggest that it can come from to many carbohydrates? why do you think that?

What do you think about anavar 60 mg per day and TestE 250/500 mg per week?
Sounds good to you?
Or dianabol instead of anavar?




oh , from reading many many studies recently, have had a doctor with me and a book on the matter by a professor, im understanding now how some things with cholesterol happen, i had a clue long ago already, but now i understand the process quite well :D

anavar at 30mg= test at 200-300mg week.can be prop or enanthate, doesnt really matter.

dbol and test for cutting is not so optimal.make sure to take the anavar all 8hrs, for constant blood leevels.

tell him to go low calories and low carbs for just 4-5days, and then have some bit carbs on the day after, i can gurantee the carbs will feel 10 times better to him, as far muscle fullness goes.

if we eat too many carbs too often, we turn insulin insensitive within few days, this is a very bad scenario, this will make the body flood the ssytem with insulin,which is also very bad for fatloss.

soemc arbs are ok, about as many as are used to train, for the rest, the body will use fat as energy anyway, only hard muscle work itl use "carbs"(glycogen).
when we eat less carbs, we can store them better in the liver and muscle.

the good thing is 4-5low calorie,low carbs days already fix most of the problem.

and the cholesterol levels are directly linked, a cause from carbs overconsumtion.

he will be fine if he does the above 8)
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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2013, 09:50:41 AM »
oh , from reading many many studies recently, have had a doctor with me and a book on the matter by a professor, im understanding now how some things with cholesterol happen, i had a clue long ago already, but now i understand the process quite well :D

anavar at 30mg= test at 200-300mg week.can be prop or enanthate, doesnt really matter.

dbol and test for cutting is not so optimal.make sure to take the anavar all 8hrs, for constant blood leevels.

tell him to go low calories and low carbs for just 4-5days, and then have some bit carbs on the day after, i can gurantee the carbs will feel 10 times better to him, as far muscle fullness goes.

if we eat too many carbs too often, we turn insulin insensitive within few days, this is a very bad scenario, this will make the body flood the ssytem with insulin,which is also very bad for fatloss.

soemc arbs are ok, about as many as are used to train, for the rest, the body will use fat as energy anyway, only hard muscle work itl use "carbs"(glycogen).
when we eat less carbs, we can store them better in the liver and muscle.

the good thing is 4-5low calorie,low carbs days already fix most of the problem.

and the cholesterol levels are directly linked, a cause from carbs overconsumtion.

he will be fine if he does the above 8)


Thanks again for your explanation

So what i understand:

Anavar 30 mg per day
Test E 250 mg
Low carbs

Should be ok?


And anavar only? without test?



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Re: AAS cycle little brother
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2013, 11:34:06 AM »
no problem man, if its his forst cycle ever, anavar only at 30mg day will be good one to test out the waters,as they say.

can also do just test, but if its first one ,anavar alone will be ok.

anavar is not so good on lipids, but with that dosage, and a good diet, womt affect the lipids.

just test only would be better on lipid profile.

yeah, for diet, high protein, can have fats as long there is no carbs.

just do not mix carbs and fats in the same meal if possibel.

lets say, 100gr carbs before or after workout, this surely wont hurt.

no consecutive carb meals.

the carbs in vegetables are ok, 1or 2 fruit daily is ok too.

tell him to kickstart the whole diet with some 4-5 days of 1000cals mostly from protein.
he will see, if he adds 100gramms carbs after that, he will literaly feel how much better the body takes up the carbs.

after that, keepit at something like 1500cals daily, the results will be quick.bit cardio after workouts will help alot.

he will be a healthy 10% within couple weeks.

the body gets rid of visceral fat very quickly on such diets,this is scientificaly established.this increases insulin sensitivity, ie, need less of it to full up the muscles with more glycogen than before.

this is basicaly the opposite of what happens when we consecutively overflood the body with carbs.

this will help him to get a feeling as to how much or little carbs are needed,etc.

when we are less insulin sensitive, we need more carbs, we dont use them up effectively, and turn fat, literaly from the inside out.

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