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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: robocop on January 05, 2006, 11:22:46 AM
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it's all about lies >:(
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http://www.skiplacourconsulting.com/Video/MMtrainingtralier.wmv
http://www.skiplacourconsulting.com/Video/Daytralier.wmv
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you are obsessed with skip lacour ADONIS.
Nice try diguising your indentity.
ADONIS (uses all capitals)
robocop (uses all small letters)
That's how "they" keep it straight.
Both obsessed with natural bodybuilding.
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... live and let live...
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I like Skip's physique, and think the way he commits himself to bodybuilding is an inspiration.
But WTF is up with all these Skip threads as of late? The bloke is getting mentioned all over the board.
robo, I've seen you, 240 and other fellas on this board starting a lotta threads about LaCour and his "impossible" physique.
Trying to pitch the incredible VP2 Whey perhaps?
Y'all AST employees or somethin? ::)
Remember, Skip may be a good bodybuilder, but he ain't no Gary Busey.
YIP
Zack
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I almost took the bait on this one. Ignored it instead. robo starts one once every 14 days like clockwork.
I feel the need to defend anyone getting attacked on a thread, and I worked with skip, so I know his dedication is beyond belief.
something you wanna tell us, robo? Even I grow weary of these threads with the same attacks, zero fact.
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there isnt a shred of evidence that he was ever on roids.
Now kindly STFU.
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bring it to me, I'm open minded. But to accuse him of such without evidence reflects jealousy and perhaps insecurities on your part.
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Drugs or not, with 170lbs incline db presses and 130 military presses with dbs (as seeying in one of the vids) the guy is f*cking strong...
And besides that, he seems to have a gigantic work ethic, wich its very admirable...
Drugs or not, i respect that!
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there is my friend.
Detective Robocop, way to solve the case. We no longer need concrete evidence. Instead, we have the word of an anonymous Internet guy.
Any other crimes you want to solve? Like, why your parents were allowed to reproduce?
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here's the proof my friend.
http://web.archive.org/web/20041011195900/musclemayhem.com/main/athletes.htm
I made that VERY same mistake when I used that page to make a parody a few months back.
Derek F wrote to inform me that list actually consisted of pros who were registered on the forum, not Chad's athletes. He made is very clear he had respect for Chad, but had never worked with him.
Skip, Derek, and even the pope's presence on that page would mean nothing more than they like to waste time on internet boards.
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What the hell... if you're gonna make stuff up, he might as well sell a few DVDs on your watch ;D
(http://fallshineband.com/one/slanttest.jpg) (http://www.skiplacour.com)
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if you look at Skip in that pic with his arms folded it's easy to see he's clean, he's not very big.
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I made that VERY same mistake when I used that page to make a parody a few months back.
Derek F wrote to inform me that list actually consisted of pros who were registered on the forum, not Chad's athletes. He made is very clear he had respect for Chad, but had never worked with him.
Skip, Derek, and even the pope's presence on that page would mean nothing more than they like to waste time on internet boards.
You hae more proof, or was that it?
Hahaha...
I recall that LaCour actually posted on that board once, after getting thrashed for his pro status. A few Mayhemmers questioned LaCour's pro status, claiming he didn't deserve the pro card for whatever reason.
LaCour tried to use teh reason in a hostile environment.
Can't say he had much luck with that, hehehe...
Two scoops of VP69Whey could prolly fix anything though. 8) (sorry robo)
YIP
Zack
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so you respect people who are using drugs!
hmmmm
Well, infact i really dont care about who use steroids or not...I myself dont use (dont have the courage neither the will) but all the guys like Lee Priest, Levrone and Ronnie just to name a few, didnt became what they are just with drugs, a lot pain, drive and perseverance (sp?) are necessary to have a body like that...And its years and years of dedication...
And after all, since im weak as a chicken and dont have too much muscle, i cant really say too much about anyone, LOL. But one day i will get there...
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Hahaha...
I recall that LaCour actually posted on that board once, after getting thrashed for his pro status. A few Mayhemmers questioned LaCour's pro status, claiming he didn't deserve the pro card for whatever reason.
LaCour tried to use teh reason in a hostile environment.
Can't say he had much luck with that, hehehe...
Two scoops of VP69Whey could prolly fix anything though. 8) (sorry robo)
YIP
Zack
hey Zack i think i saw that post of Skip...if in not mistaken it was about his natural status too...I remember his declarations where so well put, intelligent and apparently sincere, that a lot of doubters start to believe that he was telling the truth...
I myself gained a lot of respect for the guy when i readed all that. He is a class act
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I think he's natural. He's basically made a living off of being a natural, why risk it all by doing roids and losing all of his crdibility. He busts his ass in the gym. He's payed by AST to look his best. He lives bodybuilding, eats right year round, has PHD's from AST working with him on his training, diet and supplementation. He's really in a can't fail position.
I used to read Jeff Willets training journal on the AST site. Skips was disabled at the time but since they work for the same company I figured some stuff was the same. If you read Jeff's you see that he works constantly with the AST guys, tweaking his diet, training and supplementation-he's constantly working with them.
Shit set me up with that program.
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here's the proof my friend.
http://web.archive.org/web/20041011195900/musclemayhem.com/main/athletes.htm
wow, concrete proof ::)
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wow, concrete proof ::)
Amazes me how anyone as big and strong as Skip has to be on the juice. I guess that way all those that have the genetics or balls to train hard and heavy have some lame excuse.
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A physique like Skip's seems to be obtainable with a strong work ethic.. Good genetics too.
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The highest level of androgen receptors in the human body are in the vastus lateralis, and the deltoids.
The easiest way to see if someone is natural is to look at those two muscles.
Skip has very subpar delts compared to the rest of his body, and very little thigh sweep.
It's sad that people have to spend so much time knocking someone who is clearly natural just because they can't achieve what they've achieved.
I used to play basketball, and it's obvious to me that Michael Jordan is juicing, because I could never be as good as him.
I used to play football, and it's obvious that Dan Marino was juicing, because I could never be as good as him. Same goes for Peyton Manning. How dare he pretend that he isn't a juice head. I'm not as good as him, so he's obviously on the sauce.
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Consequently, a case can be made for receptor burn out in the cases of palumboism.
A striking finding in almost all individuals is a decrease in size of the vastus lateralis. This can potentially be considered as a "burn out" of androgen receptors.
Delts aren't included in this, as anyone with palumboism has poked themselves enough times to hit delts a few 1,000 times, resulting in a synthol appearance.
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very perceptive and intelligent post, doison.
That shoulder thing makes a ton of sense.
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The highest level of androgen receptors in the human body are in the vastus lateralis, and the deltoids.
The easiest way to see if someone is natural is to look at those two muscles.
Skip has very subpar delts compared to the rest of his body, and very little thigh sweep.
It's sad that people have to spend so much time knocking someone who is clearly natural just because they can't achieve what they've achieved.
I used to play basketball, and it's obvious to me that Michael Jordan is juicing, because I could never be as good as him.
I used to play football, and it's obvious that Dan Marino was juicing, because I could never be as good as him. Same goes for Peyton Manning. How dare he pretend that he isn't a juice head. I'm not as good as him, so he's obviously on the sauce.
I once said the same thing, about his delts, that they don't show roid use. I got laughed at. But I agree with you
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Howard brought up a good point. Genetics play a HUGE role in how big you are. I do use steroids, I'm ok sized nothing that makes you stop and say "holy fuck". I have friends that use a shit load and aren't very big and some that don't use hardly any that are very big.
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so you respect people who are using drugs!
hmmmm
You certainly don't have to take steroids to use 130s on the dumbbell press. I've never taken anabolics and I've used 110s (though right now, the heaviest my gym has is 105s).
Sounds to me as if you're sentenced yourself to life as a weakling. Maybe if you actually took some of Skip's advice, you'd have a better physique for your trouble.
I don't know why LaCour got blasted for his pro status. He never asked for a pro card. When the NPC changed the rules and made the Team Universe a pro qualifier (likely because the Mr. Universe kept being held in Muslim countries), they made that ruling retroactive, meaning that anyone who won the TU overall title gets a pro card.
LaCour won it twice (1998 and 2002). NPC only needed to go back to 2001, because all the other TU winners already had their pro cards. So, Skip LaCour, along with Greg Rando, got pro status (or eligibility, at least).
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The highest level of androgen receptors in the human body are in the vastus lateralis, and the deltoids.
The easiest way to see if someone is natural is to look at those two muscles.
That sounds like pseudoscientific bullshit to me.
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He's natural. He isn't even that huge. Even if he wasn't, you can achieve that physique with hard work. People don't like hard work so they call steroids as a cop out. That's the reason the bogus supplement companies are successful. People are always looking for some magic pill or drug to do the work.
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He's natural. He isn't even that huge. Even if he wasn't, you can achieve that physique with hard work. People don't like hard work so they call steroids as a cop out. That's the reason the bogus supplement companies are successful. People are always looking for some magic pill or drug to do the work.
I agree, Mansonvier. People have no idea how far they can go, without sauce.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Its amazing that you people are yet again having the same debate you had only like a week ago about him. The same shit over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
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is he natural though?
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is he natural though?
bluto...you're post count is not natural.
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We will never know.
One thing is for sure: he has made a living being a natural so if did/does juice even just a bit then he would be finished. He has strong reasons to not admit to ever sampling teh roids.
Of course, he could be telling the truth..However, most bodybuilders are born liars and scumbags who lie about everything in order to sell products and make money off selling people impossible dreams and conning them into thinking the used X to get to Y..so you buy X.
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I once said the same thing, about his delts, that they don't show roid use. I got laughed at. But I agree with you
YEAH delt and trap tie-in is key sign,but a little thing called muscle hardness plays big role and that and maintaining size with that hardness,if he's 210/220 at 5/10 its possible for believers but that still big size in shape,not top ifbb but still impressive.those numbers he throws around is crazy and what about joint and tendon pain from throwing those weights around could that be done totally clean ?and not overtrained or injured?
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We will never know.
One thing is for sure: he has made a living being a natural so if did/does juice even just a bit then he would be finished. He has strong reasons to not admit to ever sampling teh roids.
Of course, he could be telling the truth..However, most bodybuilders are born liars and scumbags who lie about everything in order to sell products and make money off selling people impossible dreams and conning them into thinking the used X to get to Y..so you buy X.
very good,, i like this post only few correction so its clear
first i think mmw is skip ,,this is my opinon since he have high tendency to protect the scam every post whenever he sees them even though deep in his brain he knows that skp was never natural beside his first couple years in gym,,
now let me explain to you how this works,,lacour is swole,,it has nothing to do with shoulder or any soecific bodypart,,he is swole and only hormonized bodybuilders can look and be swole,,it is specific definition of muscle inflemation from within ,,you can also tell he is suffering from the exact disformation of the lower jaw line similar yet to lesser extent than good ole platz,,he does use good doses of aes and ais and that reduce the estrogen and thus maintain him at more of "natural" excuse for size...but he is and mark my words for it,,he never been natural in the last 15 years i doubt he was off for over 2-3 months in the last 15 years,,
the guy is indeed a bodybuilder but should be taken anything he has achieved since he stand as a pure liar ,,he lied his way through and wasnt man enough to face others among the ifbb or top npc inorder to chiave the card any bodybuilder so wanted via res[ectable means,,
lacour is prime example of a juiced up washed up bodybuilder that inroder to stay natural sacrifice some size yet! couldnt achieve the size nessasary to fight the big boys me inlcuded thus remain a hormonized fella among the less gifted ones insted of fighting with the titans,,he simply didnt have what it takeds to grow to the level needed ,,he can play his game within specific ranges of weight and it become obvious he is hormonized above certain level thus he remain with the help of ae and ai and other bi products in the 210-220 zone and call himself natura which is simply not the truth
this type of bodybuilders is a known phenomenon last 10-15 years,,they are a product of early 90s when they could hide it well when no one gave a shit and continued into the internet era when they can stay annonymous and not have any connection to an organization when getting their hormones
what those type of fellas do is as follows and i will say it only once so listen closely,,
they are registedred members on a steroid board of their choice,,
they are rarely acttive and operating out of wirless computer and ofcourse different name,,
they chose a dealer in europe for the natural lifter will get a lot less risk and better result from human grade legit products,,
the dealer they chose in europe has a solid good name and usually is top of top and they make sure it is the case
they order from this dealer what they need to an addres on the usa main land usually po box or apartment neither on their name,,it is fake name so they can claim it wasnt for them if anything happen ,,in america post is delivered as long as the adres is right and name is written first and last names,,
they usually send someone else to pick it up or go themself if it is apartmetn complex and they just look around and pick it up at he end ,,those are small packs no one give a shit ,,the goverment dont give a shit about those packages they are too small toi count andconsidered even if couhgt as personal use and most big cities and even towns wont lok at it unless you live in no where to be found place where the sherrif is truly really bored and has no crime what so ever
those prodiucts arrive there within 10 days of shipments usually in couple different packages and the fella gets them ad he has human grade products arriving to him not via the american industry ,,m
many built a career out of this,,skip is one of them ,,he is disgrace for bodybuilding and should never step on stage again ,,only reason he walk free is because there are A LOT BIGGER FISH TO FRY AND NO ONE CARES ,,
the all post i just wrote is for the 20 misgusded people on this thread to open eyes and face reality,,
bodybuilding as of 2000 is all drugs ALL DRUGS,,this guy is just example of how NOT TO DO THINGS if you want to keep your pride
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gh15 - is there anyway you could trim your replies a bit? I like reading them but not when they turn into 'War and Peace' :)
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Skip is not a small guy.In the 2000 Team Universe he competed at 232lbs, and he had stridated glutes at 5'10".I have saw him up close backstage at the Mr USA, and the guy is pretty dam big.I would say his arms are atleast 21" on stage, legs 31" and chest around 53-55" .He has huge delts, and his body is very is dense and thick.Plus he condioning is sick, he gets ripped to the bone.He gets harder then 90 of the probodybuilders out there, just look at the pics from the last Team Universe, he was shredded.I dont care what you say, Skip is not a small man by no means.No he isnt big like Jay or Ronnie, but man has some serious size. If you saw him when he competed in 2000 at the Team Universe, you would know what I mean.We are talking 232 lbs, ripped at 5"10" thats impressive by any means.I dont know to many guys even at national level that are that big and that hard.
Skip is definatly a genetic freak, and and a very focused and dedicated individual.He swears up and down he is natural, so I would he is natural . I know his brother Ron is pretty big, I think he 6'1" and weighs around 260lbs, he doesnt look like he works out, he just looks like a big guy.
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Can we all agree that if the guy uses HGH and inslin then he diff/uses steroids....And if we can all make that assumption, then why the fuck do all of you ignore the classic side effects of HGH...The guys elbows are growing, his jaw is probably close to Cutlers and the guys head looks like a white Cormiers...Half you fucking retards still believe that Barry Bonds could have been natural all this time also...Sorry to burst all you fools bubbles....But bones don't fucking grow like that if you aren't using hormones are don't have hormone related problems...And skip for sure doesn't have the latter...
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Skip may have used many years ago, which could give him an advantage with receptor sensitivity. If he was currently stacking growth hormone releasing peptides, anti-aromatase inhibitors, Eurycoma based test boosters with insulin mimetics and maintaining a positive nitrogen balance with frequent protein ingestion alomg with heavy training, his physique is possible. Those items would not be classified as steroids.
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Skip is not a small guy.In the 2000 Team Universe he competed at 232lbs, and he had stridated glutes at 5'10".I have saw him up close backstage at the Mr USA, and the guy is pretty dam big.I would say his arms are atleast 21" on stage, legs 31" and chest around 53-55" .He has huge delts, and his body is very is dense and thick.Plus he condioning is sick, he gets ripped to the bone.He gets harder then 90 of the probodybuilders out there, just look at the pics from the last Team Universe, he was shredded.I dont care what you say, Skip is not a small man by no means.No he isnt big like Jay or Ronnie, but man has some serious size. If you saw him when he competed in 2000 at the Team Universe, you would know what I mean.We are talking 232 lbs, ripped at 5"10" thats impressive by any means.I dont know to many guys even at national level that are that big and that hard.
Skip is definatly a genetic freak, and and a very focused and dedicated individual.He swears up and down he is natural, so I would he is natural . I know his brother Ron is pretty big, I think he 6'1" and weighs around 260lbs, he doesnt look like he works out, he just looks like a big guy.
I know your probably sticking up for a buddy or something but your smarter then that...The guys jaw grows every year...And Wow....Is that a visor i see growing above Skips eyebrows....He certainly didn't have that years ago...How strange...HHH would be proud of the visor coming out of Skip's skull...
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Insulin and HGH/GH counts as natty ;)
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Skip may have used many years ago, which could give him an advantage with receptor sensitivity. If he was currently stacking growth hormone releasing peptides, anti-aromatase inhibitors, Eurycoma based test boosters with insulin mimetics and maintaining a positive nitrogen balance with frequent protein ingestion alomg with heavy training, his physique is possible. Those items would not be classified as steroids.
So what your saying is Skip would probably take everything under the sun as long as it was legal...Maybe even hired his own personal chemist to mix and match different "supplements" to see what would work...Of course everything be legal..Wow what a guy...I wonder how long one would have to take growth hormone releasing peptides to grow a visor this side of HHH?
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Insulin and HGH/GH counts as natty ;)
haha...And Chris Dickerson is jealous of Skips elbows...And it looks like he stole the jaw of John McCain...Does anyone know if Skip spent any time in Vietnam?
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So what your saying is Skip would probably take everything under the sun as long as it was legal...Maybe even hired his own personal chemist to mix and match different "supplements" to see what would work...Of course everything be legal..Wow what a guy...I wonder how long one would have to take growth hormone releasing peptides to grow a visor this side of HHH?
Besides the grey area of what is "natural" amd what is not, the compounds I mentioned are much healthier than steroids for the main reason that they enhance the body's production of anabolic hormones rather than replace them as in synthetic steroids. The big problem with steroids is the shutting down of your own hormone production. Even with good PCT protocols many abusers still in their 20's never fully recover their optimum hormone production and have to use replacement doses for life. Also, all the substances I listed can be bought at a health food store.
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Besides the grey area of what is "natural" amd what is not, the compounds I mentioned are much healthier than steroids for the main reason that they enhance the body's production of anabolic hormones rather than replace them as in synthetic steroids. The big problem with steroids is the shutting down of your own hormone production. Even with good PCT protocols many abusers still in their 20's never fully recover their optimum hormone production and have to use replacement doses for life. Also, all the substances I listed can be bought at a health food store.
I don't think you know what you're talking about.
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I don't think you know what you're talking about.
You are being nice aren't you? ;D
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Biggest bullshitter ,, along with Chris Faildo
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I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Not quite sure what you mean, but if it helps I'll clarify my entry. 1. No compounds as of now will give the same results as a moderate to high dose of anabolic steroids. 2. A former steroid user can rebuild his size to some degree by using substances that augment natural hormone levels due to the additional receptors created by past steroid usage. 3. There are substances that I have used and seen others use that can boost natural levels of Testosterone, Growth Hormone and increase insulin sensitivity. 4. This can cause decent gains if the training and diet are also perfect, again no where near like steroids. 5. A trainer over 35 will get better results from hormone boosters than a younger trainer. 6. I know a local endocrinologist who has treated a few guys in their 20s who did several long cycles of androgens, still used clomid, hcg afterwards, and now have extremely low hormone levels. This is something the "Bro's" who are on large doses of Test don't want to hear and will tell you you're full of shit by suggesting that.7. If you're not competing and you still want to juice, a safer course would be 2 or 3 hundred mg of Primobolin with a small amount of test for about 8 weeks with good PCT afterwards, a couple times a year at most. Of course this would require hard training and dieting and not everyone wants to do that. They would rather bloat themselves up with 1 gram of test a week or higher.
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A lot of bodybuilders who are not good enough to compete with the IFBB top simply join a "natural" organization. Seems to work for skip.
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gh15 - is there anyway you could trim your replies a bit? I like reading them but not when they turn into 'War and Peace' :)
LMAO!!!! my thoughs exactly..
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Lets end this thread right now... Hes on juice and hes not natural.. Amen... ;D
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there isnt a shred of evidence that he was ever on roids.
Now kindly STFU.
don't you read the gh15 bible yo?
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Drugs or not, with 170lbs incline db presses and 130 military presses with dbs (as seeying in one of the vids) the guy is f*cking strong...
And besides that, he seems to have a gigantic work ethic, wich its very admirable...
Drugs or not, i respect that!
I remember reading in one of LaCour's old articles that he understands why people don't think he's drug-free, as he was skeptical of certain bodybuilders, advertised as naturals, himself (namely, his hero Francois Gay). As he learned from Gay and improved himself, his doubts vanished about Gay and what he could do without anabolics. LaCour has stated that a number of people, who initially doubted his drug-free status but took some of his advice anyway, became convinced in similar fashion.
I think the more you personally achieve without drugs, the more likely you are to believe that LaCour is indeed drug-free. 130 lbs. dumbbell presses is strong, indeed. The heaviest I've done for the most amount of reps is 110 for 7. Last shoulder workout (Tuesday) I got 105s for 6, 4, and 3 reps (twice). Unfortuantely for me, I'm nowhere near LaCour's size......yet. ;D
A lot of bodybuilders who are not good enough to compete with the IFBB top simply join a "natural" organization. Seems to work for skip.
You forget that Skip has his IFBB pro card (if he elects to use it), courtesy of his 2002 TU win. Of course, he would likely ended up placing "17th"; but then again, a lot of steroid-using bodybuilders with IFBB pro cards place "17th".
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Hahaha...
I recall that LaCour actually posted on that board once, after getting thrashed for his pro status. A few Mayhemmers questioned LaCour's pro status, claiming he didn't deserve the pro card for whatever reason.
LaCour tried to use teh reason in a hostile environment.
Can't say he had much luck with that, hehehe...
Two scoops of VP69Whey could prolly fix anything though. 8) (sorry robo)
YIP
Zack
People still complain about that today. One of the NPC/IFBB rule changes made back in 2003 was that the Team Universe overall winner received an IFBB pro card. That was due to numerous times, where the NPC wouldn't foot the bill to send the TU guys to the Universe, because it was held in a country less-than-friendly to the USA. (i.e. the USA and Israel team pulled out in 1997, when the Universe was held in Jordan).
Because LaCour won the TU in 2002, they "grandfathered" him and 2001 TU Champ, Greg Rando, into the fold. Rando (the guy who competes, despite being legally blind) took the card; LaCour has yet to do so.
I thought they just rolled back the pro eligibilty to 2001, simply because every other TU winner had won (or became eligible for) a pro card via class/overall wins at other shows. But, Kai Greene had to win the TU in 2004 for pro status. Why they didn't grandfather him into the fold (he first won the show in 1999), I'd like to know. Then again, Greene was competing in the WNBF for a while. Perhaps, that played a role.
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He's natural. He isn't even that huge. Even if he wasn't, you can achieve that physique with hard work. People don't like hard work so they call steroids as a cop out. That's the reason the bogus supplement companies are successful. People are always looking for some magic pill or drug to do the work.
you must be as big as him or bigger then ::)
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I used to think was Natural but seeing his contest pics if his natural then i will fly to the moon on fart power.