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December 7th our nation awoke to the sounds of bombs and guns
Japanese planes swept though the sky civilians began to run
my great-grandfather tells a tale of a day of smoke and fire
American ships burned in the harbor like a funeral pyre
Remember Pearl Harbor- an American battle cry
Remember Pearl Harbor- the American brave who died
Remember the pain, remember the blood
but never... FORGIVE!
American men manned their guns and awoke from their morning sleep
planes swept low and dropped to their death our ships sank in the deep
on the dock my great-grandfather fought manning his gun with rage
watching our fleet sink and comrades die, the beginning of an age
Young men killed by asian foe over 2000 counted dead
the ships burned the smoke stank as pearl harbor ran red
as the smoke cleared pain and anger ran though the men
they promised vengeance and vowed their lives for pearl harbor thy would win
To my great-grandfather and his comrades dead I make this solemn vow
I will never forget your fight and ill avenge you no matter how
if our nation's enemies attack we must remember lessons past
take vengeance with no mercy if our nation is to last
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The Japanese make a lot of nice electronics.
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Semper Fidelis
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Was that a juruth original?
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I could never forget it. Its my anniversary.
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I remember Big Dick Murdoch.
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Semper Fidelis
Errrrr
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December 7th our nation awoke to the sounds of bombs and guns
Japanese planes swept though the sky civilians began to run
my great-grandfather tells a tale of a day of smoke and fire
American ships burned in the harbor like a funeral pyre
Remember Pearl Harbor- an American battle cry
Remember Pearl Harbor- the American brave who died
Remember the pain, remember the blood
but never... FORGIVE!
American men manned their guns and awoke from their morning sleep
planes swept low and dropped to their death our ships sank in the deep
on the dock my great-grandfather fought manning his gun with rage
watching our fleet sink and comrades die, the beginning of an age
Young men killed by asian foe over 2000 counted dead
the ships burned the smoke stank as pearl harbor ran red
as the smoke cleared pain and anger ran though the men
they promised vengeance and vowed their lives for pearl harbor thy would win
To my great-grandfather and his comrades dead I make this solemn vow
I will never forget your fight and ill avenge you no matter how
if our nation's enemies attack we must remember lessons past
take vengeance with no mercy if our nation is to last
As if Hiroshima and Nakusaki wasn't vengence enough...... ::)
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As if Hiroshima and Nakusaki wasn't vengence enough...... ::)
I am glad to be in NC hiding in the woods.
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As if Hiroshima and Nakusaki wasn't vengence enough...... ::)
If we were to attack our enemies today with such ferocity we would not have this drawn out "war on terror". Do you suffer a black widow spider or a rattlesnake to live inside your home? Do you coddle them as though they were your children?
I doubt it.
We kicked the axis powers ass and today Japan is one our strongest allies. We carpet bombed Germany until the civilians screamed for their military to surrender. Oh wait! The Germans bombed Britain and the Japanese, Pearl Harbor but both us and England were (and still are) democracies while the antagonists in that war were fronted by nutbags like Hitler, Hirohito and Mussolini.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were enough because they ended the Japanese assault on the world.
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Damn those Germans.
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Damn those Germans.
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Atta boy! ;D
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And it has long been known that the UK and USA governments knew the attack was going to happen and let it happen so that USA could enter WW2 with the support of the outraged nation.
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And it has long been known that the UK and USA governments knew the attack was going to happen and let it happen so that USA could enter WW2 with the support of the outraged nation.
Shades of 9/11? :-X
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Atta boy! ;D
at least he didn't throw up on the Dean
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If we were to attack our enemies today with such ferocity we would not have this drawn out "war on terror". Do you suffer a black widow spider or a rattlesnake to live inside your home? Do you coddle them as though they were your children?
I doubt it.
We kicked the axis powers ass and today Japan is one our strongest allies. We carpet bombed Germany until the civilians screamed for their military to surrender. Oh wait! The Germans bombed Britain and the Japanese, Pearl Harbor but both us and England were (and still are) democracies while the antagonists in that war were fronted by nutbags like Hitler, Hirohito and Mussolini.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were enough because they ended the Japanese assault on the world.
Pearl Harbor was a naval base...the only thing cowardly about the attack was that we were not at war with Japan at the time. I consider the Bataan Death March much worse than Pearl Harbor.
And in response, the United States vaporized a quarter million Japanese civilians instantly off the face of the planet with a few million more eventually dying of radiation poisoning, sickness, cancer, thermal burns, etc. Even their great grandchildren can feel it with all of the congenial birth defects to this day.
The Japanese paid dearly for their actions long time ago and they are one of our strongest allies....we need to move on.
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Pearl Harbor was a naval base...the only thing cowardly about the attack was that we were not at war with Japan at the time. I consider the Bataan Death March much worse than Pearl Harbor.
And in response, the United States vaporized a quarter million Japanese civilians instantly off the face of the planet with a few million more eventually dying of radiation poisoning, sickness, cancer, thermal burns, etc. Even their great grandchildren can feel it with all of the congenial birth defects to this day.
The Japanese paid dearly for their actions long time ago and they are one of our strongest allies....we need to move on.
I never thought I would see the day a black person wants to "move on"
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FDR, the warmonger, couldn't wait to get the US involved in the war. For him, this was the happiest day of his presidency.
I heard he jumped for joy, wait what?
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I celebrate Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The japs started it and we ended the fuck out of it. Tora, tora, tora that !
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I celebrate Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The japs started it and we ended the fuck out of it. Tora, tora, tora that !
they awoke a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve
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And it has long been known that the UK and USA governments knew the attack was going to happen and let it happen so that USA could enter WW2 with the support of the outraged nation.
I was a kid when this happened. As time passes and you do a reverse engineering on the politics and events of the time this idea has deeper and deeper roots.
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Pearl Harbor was a naval base...the only thing cowardly about the attack was that we were not at war with Japan at the time. I consider the Bataan Death March much worse than Pearl Harbor.
And in response, the United States vaporized a quarter million Japanese civilians instantly off the face of the planet with a few million more eventually dying of radiation poisoning, sickness, cancer, thermal burns, etc. Even their great grandchildren can feel it with all of the congenial birth defects to this day.
The Japanese paid dearly for their actions long time ago and they are one of our strongest allies....we need to move on.
kyomu was not involved with this.
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And it has long been known that the UK and USA governments knew the attack was going to happen and let it happen so that USA could enter WW2 with the support of the outraged nation.
And?
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I'm not sure they exactly knew the attack was going to happen.
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I was a kid when this happened. As time passes and you do a reverse engineering on the politics and events of the time this idea has deeper and deeper roots.
Just be thankful we had real leaders, otherwise we would have isolated ourselves into speaking either German, Japanese or Russian depending on how events unfolded.
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Wiggs is the local authority on this topic.
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Pearl Harbor was a naval base...the only thing cowardly about the attack was that we were not at war with Japan at the time. I consider the Bataan Death March much worse than Pearl Harbor.
And in response, the United States vaporized a quarter million Japanese civilians instantly off the face of the planet with a few million more eventually dying of radiation poisoning, sickness, cancer, thermal burns, etc. Even their great grandchildren can feel it with all of the congenial birth defects to this day.
The Japanese paid dearly for their actions long time ago and they are one of our strongest allies....we need to move on.
So your saying the Nagasaki and Hiroshima were not military targets?
And speaking of the Baatan Death March, should give you little insight into the mentality of Japanese. Ever hear of kamakazi?
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So your saying the Nagasaki and Hiroshima were not military targets?
And speaking of the Baatan Death March, should give you little insight into the mentality of Japanese. Ever hear of kamakazi?
I think we should have hit Tokyo just for fun.
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As opposed to the Chinese and Spanish we're speaking now?
Maybe you are.
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I think we should have hit Tokyo just for fun.
We had already burned it to the ground, had to pick a clean place for a good bomb damage assessment.
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We had already burned it to the ground, had to pick a clean place for a good bomb damage assessment.
Had to be some other cities to hit.
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Pearl Harbor was a naval base...the only thing cowardly about the attack was that we were not at war with Japan at the time. I consider the Bataan Death March much worse than Pearl Harbor.
And in response, the United States vaporized a quarter million Japanese civilians instantly off the face of the planet with a few million more eventually dying of radiation poisoning, sickness, cancer, thermal burns, etc. Even their great grandchildren can feel it with all of the congenial birth defects to this day.
The Japanese paid dearly for their actions long time ago and they are one of our strongest allies....we need to move on.
Good post..
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Goodrum is trying to start up a Jap car import business over the internets.
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I think we should have hit Tokyo just for fun.
agreed.
no one ever thunks about the millions of lived the bombings saved... can you imagine how many civilians would have died if we invaded the japanese mainland? It would have been horrific... not to mention the half million Marines waiting off the coast to invade had they not surrendered...
the japs would have thrown every man woman and chuld at the Americans... they had an unwavering patriotism instilled in them.... they were sending women and children at the Marines wearing bombs as they started closing in on Japan... hell, the japs were blowing themselves up before theyd surrender.
its very trendy to rewrite history and 'hate' the US for doing what it had to do to win the war... hell, the bombs were worth it simply by the nimber of US troops they saved from invading Japan..... but the fact is those bombs save 10x as many as they killed. On both sides.
People bitch about the a bombs killing civilians but never mention the incendiary bombings, like Dresden.
Summary - people are bleeding heart morons. You dont fight fair in war. You try and fight clean, but you use overwhelming force to crush the enemy as quuckly as possible. Doing so saves lives.
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Why do you think the US Navy busted a gut trying to get dirigibles to work? To have platforms that could hang in the air and search for hostile fleets in the pacific that were a threat. They, however, couldn't get them to work well for their purposes.
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I think we should have hit Tokyo just for fun.
They did.
April 18th, 1942. Doolittle.
Not to mention the Curtis Lemay incendiary bombardment that actually did more damage than the atomic bombs did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki..
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A lot of tough guys in this thread.
Japan never stood a chance against the US. If u haven't noticed it's a much smaller country than the US w/ a lot less resources. The US victory in the Pacific was an inevitability, particularly since the US let the Russians fight the tough land war against the Germans pretty much by themselves. The Russians were going to Berlin whether we landed in Normandy or not.
Not since the Civil War has the US been really tested in a war and most of the impact of that was felt in the south. And even then, like Foote said, the north fought the Civil War w/ one hand behind its back. To many upper class northerners the Civil War was no more than an inconvenience (sort of like all these desert wars have been for most of the US population).
Lol - You actually think your post is intelligent... You don't know a thing about military history...
Everyone likes to bash the French, but the US never faced casualties like it, and other European countries suffered during WWI. Who knows how the population would have reacted to what Europe has dealt with.
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And it has long been known that the UK and USA governments knew the attack was going to happen and let it happen so that USA could enter WW2 with the support of the outraged nation.
True but the UK did Need the US. We won the Battle of Britain but were strained.
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There was no telephone cable to Hawaii then, and as such there was no secure telephone connection to Pearl Harbor. A radio phone call was out of the question because:
- 1)There was bad static that day.
- 2) They didn't want to chance anyone figuring out they were decrypting Axis message traffic.(think of Edward Snowden)
An encrypted telegram was sent that arrived after the attack was underway, and was not decrypted until after it was all said and done.
This is why the US military branches are so obsessive about telecom today.
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There was no telephone cable to Hawaii then, and as such there was no secure telephone connection to Pearl Harbor. A radio phone call was out of the question because:
- 1)There was bad static that day.
- 2) They didn't want to chance anyone figuring out they were decrypting Axis message traffic.(think of Edward Snowden)
An encrypted telegram was sent that arrived after the attack was underway, and was not decrypted until after it was all said and done.
This is why the US military branches are so obsessive about telecom today.
Morse code ;)
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We found this out in the First Gulf War. They started to Train more Radio Ops and less Rtgs(Radio telegraphist) who learned morse to a high Standard. This old and tested method of coms proved its worth again when modern coms failed...
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newsflash, japan is an ally of the US/UK/ISRAEL alliance nowadays...
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Pearl Harbour? Wasn't that something like a pearl necklace?
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newsflash, japan is an ally of the US/UK/ISRAEL alliance nowadays...
its because we kicked the ever loving shit out of them.
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War is hell
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FDR, the warmonger, couldn't wait to get the US involved in the war. For him, this was the happiest day of his presidency.
Actually, he could wait. Churchill had asked several times for FDR to join the war effort.
The only way to get the American people behind it was an attack on our soil. And what became the Pacific Ocean Theatre was primed and ready.
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War is hell
yes
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Novena and shockwave bringing the truth in this thread.
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I saw a flat ass jap with no tits and ass today very good skin on her face. Said she had a 3 year old by a dude she has been with 12 years looks as maybe 23. Another fucked up person continue on.
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I saw a flat ass jap with no tits and ass today very good skin on her face. Said she had a 3 year old by a dude she has been with 12 years looks as maybe 23. Another fucked up person continue on.
was she wearing one of those anime porn-style sailor suits
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was she wearing one of those anime porn-style sailor suits
Exactly. Blows cheap.
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oriental girls are little more than life support systems for sideways pussies
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You're right. Because the American people couldn't see any reason to go to war with their German cousins. The attack was how he were back-doored into WWII.
Shut up ::)
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Shut up ::)
Really...didn't Churchill ask FDR several times?
And take a look at how the ships in Pearl Harbor were positioned and lined up. Ask any WW2 vet, especially those who had served in the Pacific Theatre and they will tell you that the US knew, and it was a set up. Those enlisted me were used as cannon fodder in order to get us into the war. The national outcry for blood and vengeance for "our boys" was just what the US government needed to get the American public behind the war effort...add a dash of xenophobia and you have the perfect recipe.
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Really...didn't Churchill ask FDR several times?
And take a look at how the ships in Pearl Harbor were positioned and lined up. Ask any WW2 vet, especially those who had served in the Pacific Theatre and they will tell you that the US knew, and it was a set up. Those enlisted me were used as cannon fodder in order to get us into the war. The national outcry for blood and vengeance for "our boys" was just what the US government needed to get the American public behind the war effort...add a dash of xenophobia and you have the perfect recipe.
I domt know who you talk to, but every WWII vet ive ever met gets super insulted if you even hint that the US may havr known. Its a relatively recent phenomenon, this attitude.
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Really...didn't Churchill ask FDR several times?
And take a look at how the ships in Pearl Harbor were positioned and lined up. Ask any WW2 vet, especially those who had served in the Pacific Theatre and they will tell you that the US knew, and it was a set up. Those enlisted me were used as cannon fodder in order to get us into the war. The national outcry for blood and vengeance for "our boys" was just what the US government needed to get the American public behind the war effort...add a dash of xenophobia and you have the perfect recipe.
Quit talking out your ass. I deal with vets almost every day, including ones from the Pac, and none of them have ever talked such bullshit. Quit reading revisionist CT internet bullshit.
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Really? John Toland is one of the preeminent historians of our time and he wrote a book about it in the early-80s. U might want to read it, but u probably know better.
Awesome. One author trying to sell books trumps all the real vets I deal with daily. ::)
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Really? John Toland is one of the preeminent historians of our time and he wrote a book about it in the early-80s. U might want to read it, but u probably know better.
he knows more than you do
ignorant polesmoker
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Lol. It's entertaining watching u dummies defend each other.
it's even more entertaining watching u and those like u dying slow, painful deaths from AIDS
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Given the war ended almost 70 years ago I doubt you're dealing w/ too many WWII vets.
More than you. ;)
See more than 3 a week at the VA. How bout you, hero?
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The greatest generation 8)
They would be ashamed of the sad fucks their great grandchildren are/will become.
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More than you. ;)
See more than 3 a week at the VA. How bout you, hero?
the only thing "cholo4life" (what a name, oh brother ::) ) sees more than 3x a week is his own prolapsed anus in the compact mirror he keeps at the foot of his cot
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The greatest generation 8)
They would be ashamed of the sad fucks their great grandchildren are/will become.
So true. I feel honored to do anything to help them. So humble.
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A lot of tough guys in this thread.
Japan never stood a chance against the US. If u haven't noticed it's a much smaller country than the US w/ a lot less resources. The US victory in the Pacific was an inevitability, particularly since the US let the Russians fight the tough land war against the Germans pretty much by themselves. The Russians were going to Berlin whether we landed in Normandy or not.
Not since the Civil War has the US been really tested in a war and most of the impact of that was felt in the south. And even then, like Foote said, the north fought the Civil War w/ one hand behind its back. To many upper class northerners the Civil War was no more than an inconvenience (sort of like all these desert wars have been for most of the US population).
Everyone likes to bash the French, but the US never faced casualties like it, and other European countries suffered during WWI. Who knows how the population would have reacted to what Europe has dealt with.
Winning was never the propose of initiating a war with the United States. What Japan intended was a short skirmish with the United States that would allow them to sue for peace, hopefully allowing Japan to keep some of the territory it had taken in South East Asia. Japan knew that they would never be able to keep all of the territory acquired in South East Asia but they might be able to keep some of it if they could negotiate a beneficial treaty. A similar tactic had been successfully used against the Russians.
Concurrently, Japan was also bogged down in Manchuria/Manchuko fighting Communists forces and Chinese nationalists. Japan needed a way to began withdrawing their military presence in that region without loosing face. With the United States having an increasing presence in China, funding anti-communist forces, Japan knew that one of the conditions of any treaty with the United States would be the immediate withdrawal of Japanese military personnel from Manchuria.
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its because we kicked the ever loving shit out of them.
well often fucking someone until they like it is the answer, even if it's painful in the beginning.
War is hell
life is war.
= life is hell.
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Keep buying the Zionist line.
keep worshipping your dead illiterate pedophile, towel head
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Quit talking out your ass. I deal with vets almost every day, including ones from the Pac, and none of them have ever talked such bullshit. Quit reading revisionist CT internet bullshit.
I've dealt with vets as well...when I was a teen I used to volunteer at a old folks home. Had WW2 vets who had served in Pacific Theatre and that is what they told me. Also, had in HS a sub who we dubbed as "Colonel", he served in WW2, Korean and Vietnam. Said the same thing.
Maybe you don't sit down and actually talk to them. Who knows.
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remember?
lol.
wasnt even born yet back then.
would be nice to know how many of the balls of steel rememberers tuff guys would have signed up back then
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I've dealt with vets as well...when I was a teen I used to volunteer at a old folks home. Had WW2 vets who had served in Pacific Theatre and that is what they told me. Also, had in HS a sub who we dubbed as "Colonel", he served in WW2, Korean and Vietnam. Said the same thing.
Maybe you don't sit down and actually talk to them. Who knows.
you were a candystriper ?
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I domt know who you talk to, but every WWII vet ive ever met gets super insulted if you even hint that the US may havr known. Its a relatively recent phenomenon, this attitude.
Sit down and talk with them.
Like when you talk to the Korean War Vets and they'll tell you about "slicky boys"...dudes could steal your wallet and anything on your arms and you wouldn't know it. And then watch these same people come over here and open up shops in communities and you believe that many are law abiding citizens, but they know more about theft than the hoodlums in the neighborhoods.
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Sit down and talk with them.
Like when you talk to the Korean War Vets and they'll tell you about "slicky boys"...dudes could steal your wallet and anything on your arms and you wouldn't know it. And then watch these same people come over here and open up shops in communities and you believe that many are law abiding citizens, but they know more about theft than the hoodlums in the neighborhoods.
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why dont the hard to the core balls of steel internet soldiers enlist for the middle east,that will be remembered in the future like pearl harbor is now.
i tell you why, its more comfortable to throw around hard words in heated house on the keyboard
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why dont the hard to the core balls of steel internet soldiers enlist for the middle east,that will be remembered in the future like pearl harbor is now.
i tell you why, its more comfortable to throw around hard words in heated house on the keyboard
many of us have already served our respective nations honorably
so fuck off queerbait
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well often fucking someone until they like it is the answer, even if it's painful in the beginning.
life is war.
= life is hell.
Funniest post I've read from you in awhile.
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many of us
yes ok, "ranger", does this include yourself?
or,haha, let me guess, you been jsoc and cant talk about it
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I've dealt with vets as well...when I was a teen I used to volunteer at a old folks home. Had WW2 vets who had served in Pacific Theatre and that is what they told me. Also, had in HS a sub who we dubbed as "Colonel", he served in WW2, Korean and Vietnam. Said the same thing.
Maybe you don't sit down and actually talk to them. Who knows.
Yeah that trumps the rehab I provide on a daily basis because you talked to a couple of dementia patients. I am flat telling you I deal with them directly on a daily/weekly basis and have never heard any of them mention it. And we talk about far deeper shit than that.
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yes ok, "ranger", does this include yourself?
or,haha, let me guess, you been jsoc and cant talk about it
i served as an ordinary soldier in the gulf war
proud to have done it...so once again, fuck off queerbait
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Yeah that trumps the rehab I provide on a daily basis because you talked to a couple of dementia patients. I am flat telling you I deal with them directly on a daily/weekly basis and have never heard any of them mention it. And we talk about far deeper shit than that.
Dude...no disrespect to you or your job. But this was in the 90s. I sat and talk to them. And as I said I had a sub in HS, he even brought in his uniforms from WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. I used to stay after school and talk to him.
I have family that go to the VA, and many don't like going to the rehab, or treatment, so some are apprehensive. Do you stay after work? Meet them in the library, look at photos. Talk to them about life--the war, their kids, when they met their wives...talking on hours at end?
I have...
See, if you are going to be dismissive to me---in an Internet thread, how does that bode well in terms of having a Convo with living history?
Hell in fact, most WW2 vets that I've encountered talk more than Vietnam vets, my family included.
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Dude...no disrespect to you or your job. But this was in the 90s. I sat and talk to them. And as I said I had a sub in HS, he even brought in his uniforms from WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. I used to stay after school and talk to him.
I have family that go to the VA, and many don't like going to the rehab, or treatment, so some are apprehensive. Do you stay after work? Meet them in the library, look at photos. Talk to them about life--the war, their kids, when they met their wives...talking on hours at end?
I have...
See, if you are going to be dismissive to me---in an Internet thread, how does that bode well in terms of having a Convo with living history?
Hell in fact, most WW2 vets that I've encountered talk more than Vietnam vets, my family included.
Listen. The job I do involves talking thru much of this. Not second had conversations with a HS kid. I'm glad you volunteered, but comparing a few visits to an actual profession that involves working with them daily is not even close. I'm not talking about psych, but just getting to know them. As soon as they find out I have served they always want me to talk to. And acting like it's some "common knowledge" among WW2 vets that PH was A set-up is pure bullshit. It isnt. Not even close. Are there a few bitter guys? Maybe, but it isnt widespread.
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i served as an ordinary soldier in the gulf war
proud to have done it...so once again, fuck off queerbait
playsation or xbox?
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Listen. The job I do involves talking thru much of this. Not second had conversations with a HS kid. I'm glad you volunteered, but comparing a few visits to an actual profession that involves working with them daily is not even close. I'm not talking about psych, but just getting to know them. As soon as they find out I have served they always want me to talk to. And acting like it's some "common knowledge" among WW2 vets that PH was A set-up is pure bullshit. It isnt. Not even close. Are there a few bitter guys? Maybe, but it isnt widespread.
I said a sub one that was used a lot , not second hand knowledge. You didn't even read what I wrote. Dude served in WW2, Korea and Vietnam.
He was the one that put me down with the Spanish American War, and said look at WW2, and Vietnam...said that America will always try to go war by getting the America public behind it first.
It's not just a few visits...
Thing is, some times I would see people in libraries, strike up convos, and be there hours on end. Meet up with the people talk to them again... You got a lot of people who just want to talk to people, pass down knowledge...
I'm not acting like it's common knowledge...that is what you perceive.
Nor am I suggesting that they are bitter.
I do know that some have expressed how this country has been has gone downhill. And I have told them that it was their kids (Baby Boomers) that they have to blame.
No, the bitter ones are the Vietnam and after ones---especially now.
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playsation or xbox?
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no wonder your wife cheats on you with black guys
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I said a sub one that was used a lot , not second hand knowledge. You didn't even read what I wrote. Dude served in WW2, Korea and Vietnam.
He was the one that put me down with the Spanish American War, and said look at WW2, and Vietnam...said that America will always try to go war by getting the America public behind it first.
It's not just a few visits...
Thing is, some times I would see people in libraries, strike up convos, and be there hours on end. Meet up with the people talk to them again... You got a lot of people who just want to talk to people, pass down knowledge...
I'm not acting like it's common knowledge...that is what you perceive.
Nor am I suggesting that they are bitter.
I do know that some have expressed how this country has been has gone downhill. And I have told them that it was their kids (Baby Boomers) that they have to blame.
No, the bitter ones are the Vietnam and after ones---especially now.
I didnt talk about the teacher because that is one guys opinion.
Vietnam vets should and are bitter. They were treated like shit. And Korean vets are forgotten.
Again, you know I have nothing against you personally. I just resent when people bring up a CT and give the impression that "everybody knows". Thats what I took from your original post. If not, thats cool.
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no wonder your wife cheats on you with black guys
its not cheating as long she alows me to watch
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I didnt talk about the teacher because that is one guys opinion.
Vietnam vets should and are bitter. They were treated like shit. And Korean vets are forgotten.
Again, you know I have nothing against you personally. I just resent when people bring up a CT and give the impression that "everybody knows". Thats what I took from your original post. If not, thats cool.
Yes, I can attest to what you say about the Vietnam vets...got family that have health issues due to Agent Orange. And yes, I have noticed that about Korean War Vets, as you said seems forgotten.
I wasn't trying to come off like it was a CT that everybody knows.
BTW, we have have snow...If you got any down there, I hope you know how to drive in it.
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its not cheating as long she alows me to watch
cuckolds deserve to die of aids
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U have an obsession with all things homo. Good thing for "Don't ask, don't tell" ... soldier.
You're the queer here, bitch.
now fuck off, like you've already been told
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Yes, I can attest to what you say about the Vietnam vets...got family that have health issues due to Agent Orange. And yes, I have noticed that about Korean War Vets, as you said seems forgotten.
I wasn't trying to come off like it was a CT that everybody knows.
BTW, we have have snow...If you got any down there, I hope you know how to drive in it.
None here, but after consecutive winters in Mass, Iceland for 2 and Germany for 2 I'm good to go. ;D
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Sit down and talk with them.
Like when you talk to the Korean War Vets and they'll tell you about "slicky boys"...dudes could steal your wallet and anything on your arms and you wouldn't know it. And then watch these same people come over here and open up shops in communities and you believe that many are law abiding citizens, but they know more about theft than the hoodlums in the neighborhoods.
uh, I have. A lot of them. My grandfather server in the end of WWII, his brother died in the Phillipines, and almost all of his friends that I grew up around were involved in WWII. The attitude youre espousing was literally non existent in these vets. They hated the japs with a passion and believed they pulled the ultimate sucker punch and were worthy of nothing but contempt.
I really have no clue who you were talking to, but of the dozen or so WWII vets ive known throughout my life, they all felt the way I described about. Absolute hatred and contempt for the unprovoked attacks.
as I said, this attitude didnt really start becoming popular until lately. And its usually from people that have never served, or talked to anyone that served (not saying you havent), but read a few hisoteu books and had a liberal teacher telling them how evil the US and FDR were.
I really have no dog in this fight, I dont feel strongly one way or the other as we kicked their ass... but I literally have met zero actual WWII vets that thoifht they way youre speaking. And I was obsessed as a child in talking with these guys... asking then about their experiences... I idolized these guys. And ive personally known and talked to guys serv8ng from cooks on Naval destroyers to a Marine grunt on Iwo, 4f4 pilots to my grandfathers old TBD copilot.
never once heard them say they knew the attack was coming.
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its not cheating as long she alows me to watch
Please tell me this is a joke, because if not then you're the joke. :-X
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None here, but after consecutive winters in Mass, Iceland for 2 and Germany for 2 I'm good to go. ;D
A friend of mine, Airborne, used to espouse the virtues of Fords (in the snow, rain, and the dry) when he was stationed in Germany. That they were not like the Fords of America land.
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A friend of mine, Airborne, used to espouse the virtues of Fords (in the snow, rain, and the dry) when he was stationed in Germany. That they were not like the Fords of America land.
We had Dodges. Have to say they slways cranked and in Iceland I plowed through snow drifts that were over 10 ft tall doing 50 mph.
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Please tell me this is a joke, because if not then you're the joke. :-X
i was impersonating the internet tuff guy :D
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uh, I have. A lot of them. My grandfather server in the end of WWII, his brother died in the Phillipines, and almost all of his friends that I grew up around were involved in WWII. The attitude youre espousing was literally non existent in these vets. They hated the japs with a passion and believed they pulled the ultimate sucker punch and were worthy of nothing but contempt.
I really have no clue who you were talking to, but of the dozen or so WWII vets ive known throughout my life, they all felt the way I described about. Absolute hatred and contempt for the unprovoked attacks.
as I said, this attitude didnt start becoming popular until lately.
We won the war of bullets, but they won the war of manufacturing prowess. There are probably a ton of Japanese that look at us with contempt. Especially when you see what is on our roads---Japanese and German cars.
Goes to show, that not everybody has the same experience or holds the same views. Even if they have been thru the same or similar situations.
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i was impersonating the internet tuff guy :D
Whew! Thanks, man!
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We had Dodges. Have to say they slways cranked and in Iceland I plowed through snow drifts that were over 10 ft tall doing 50 mph.
Look at me, did I just turn this into a car thread? ??? ;D
He had some stories about Germany. How the locals knew what they were going to do before they did, and so on.
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Look at me, did I just turn this into a car thread? ??? ;D
He had some stories about Germany. How the locals knew what they were going to do before they did, and so on.
Loved Germany. Autobahn was insane. Be cruising along at 80 mph and see lights flip at you from behind. If you didnt move over in time it was your fault if rearended. And then a Porsche, Ferrari or Lambo would be up up your ass in seconds. Pass you doing 120 or more.
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We won the war of bullets, but they won the war of manufacturing prowess. There are probably a ton of Japanese that look at us with contempt. Especially when you see what is on our roads---Japanese and German cars.
Goes to show, that not everybody has the same experience or holds the same views. Even if they have been thru the same or similar situations.
Yep Americans love Japanese and German cars 8)
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remember?
lol.
wasnt even born yet back then.
would be nice to know how many of the balls of steel rememberers tuff guys would have signed up back then
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Loved Germany. Autobahn was insane. Be cruising along at 80 mph and see lights flip at you from behind. If you didnt move over in time it was your fault if rearended. And then a Porsche, Ferrari or Lambo would be up up your ass in seconds. Pass you doing 120 or more.
Yeah, my friend was telling me that...said he loved Germany, and that he had a BMW over there that he wished he had shipped over here. He told me that the Autobahn showed him just how bad we as America driver's are.
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many of us have already served our respective nations honorably
so fuck off queerbait
But that wouldn't include you...
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Given the war ended almost 70 years ago I doubt you're dealing w/ too many WWII vets.
16 million Americans served in the armed forces during WWII. According to the Department of Veteran Affairs, there are a little over 1 million left. So it's really no far stretch that he interacts with some of them.
Hell, my brother-in-law's grandfather flew in a bomber over Germany. He's 89 years old, plays golf all the time and lives an active lifestyle. Looking at him, you wouldn't even realize he's that old. Quite an interesting man. If you have the chance to talk to a WWII veteran, you should do so.
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But that wouldn't include you...
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fuck off
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Loved Germany. Autobahn was insane. Be cruising along at 80 mph and see lights flip at you from behind. If you didnt move over in time it was your fault if rearended. And then a Porsche, Ferrari or Lambo would be up up your ass in seconds. Pass you doing 120 or more.
Hell, here right now. 8) They throw so much road salt down, there's always white dust floating around from traffic. Having an SLS AMG shoot past you at 150mph rocks your car, and sends a light dust cloud 20ft up trailing the Benz.
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Germans Drive like lunatics ;D They are starting to clamp down a bit now. The only bad Thing here is that you can drive untill your last breath... i think in the UK you have to get a medical at a certain Age and can drive trucks only if fit enough. Here you see old guys driving around and it´s clear it´s too much for them. The law says you have a licence..you can drive even at 90...
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Germans Drive like lunatics ;D They are starting to clamp down a bit now. The only bad Thing here is that you can drive untill your last breath... i think in the UK you have to get a medical at a certain Age and can drive trucks only if fit enough. Here you see old guys driving around and it´s clear it´s too much for them. The law says you have a licence..you can drive even at 90...
Funny you should say that. I've been here about a year now, and I've noticed when it snows more, the crazier faster they drive. I'm talking speeding on 1in+ of unplowed snow, on curvy back roads, and passing cars on two lane roads...while going UPHILL. I don't see too many drivers that older than 70ish though...maybe they just age we'll.
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Funny you should say that. I've been here about a year now, and I've noticed when it snows more, the crazier faster they drive. I'm talking speeding on 1in+ of unplowed snow, on curvy back roads, and passing cars on two lane roads...while going UPHILL. I don't see too many drivers that older than 70ish though...maybe they just age we'll.
where are you ? I´m in Celle near Hannover
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where are you ? I´m in Celle near Hannover
Nice. I'm in the Wittlich-land area....its a bit east of Bitburg.
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Nice. I'm in the Wittlich-land area....its a bit east of Bitburg.
well if you are down this way give me a shout
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well if you are down this way give me a shout
Sounds like a plan. 8)
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Getbig: connecting homos worldwide since 1997.
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Why do I get the feeling that Chaos has no ties to this thread? Horrible attempt to cash in on views/posts.
:-X
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Getbig: connecting homos worldwide since 1997.
International bro-connection. ;D
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Grandfather was taking a vacation in Hawaii and had actually booked a spot on a tour of The Harb ("Gentlemen, welcome to The Harb," they'd say) on that fateful day, but his travel plans went awry and he missed the tour. None of the members of the group survived. Luckily, he managed to get a full refund from his travel agent and went on to become the first man to successfully sue the United States Navy for inconveniencing a tourist.
Come on TA. You asleep at the switch?
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I am a bit disappointed with my family communication. My grandfather was a drill sareant in the marines. He served in the Korean war. I Knew he served in the Korean war, but I had no idea he was a marine drill instructor.
The stories he could have told me :-\
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Getbig: connecting homos worldwide since 1997.
;D
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I am a bit disappointed with my family communication. My grandfather was a drill sareant in the marines. He served in the Korean war. I Knew he served in the Korean war, but I had no idea he was a marine drill instructor.
The stories he could have told me :-\
Before he died, my grandfather wrote a book about his experiences in WWII and gave it to me.
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I know what you mean. I was named after my Uncle Donald who drove Monty in The N Africian campaign. I only found out because i saw his medals one day and a certificate signed by Monty. I was a kid of 9 or 10 so i never understood. My Uncle came to us in stirling Scotland From Islay to live because he was ill. I got to know him very well and liked him. He only ever spoke about the Army once when i joined up. He asked me what i was joining and i said the Royal Regiment of Artillery ,, he said a fine Regiment.. "El alamein" the Finest hour of the Royal artillery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Montgomery,_1st_Viscount_Montgomery_of_Alamein
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Before he died, my grandfather wrote a book about his experiences in WWII and gave it to me.
Awesome. My father has my grandfather's marine drill instuctor ring. I plan to ask him for it.
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Awesome. My father has my grandfather's marine drill instuctor ring. I plan to ask him for it.
Hopefully he uses it to cave your face in. :)
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Hopefully he uses it to cave your face in. :)
Unbelievable :-\ Do you not have a heart?
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Awesome. My father has my grandfather's marine drill instuctor ring. I plan to ask him for it.
Talk to him about the ring before he dies.
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Talk to him about the ring before he dies.
He already died a few years ago. He never brought the subject up. I assume he was sheilding me from his pain.
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He already died a few years ago. He never brought the subject up. I assume he was sheilding me from his pain.
You're father or grandfather? I meant to talk to your father. When my grandfather died his children looted the old fellas war memorabilia. Half the stuff has gone missing.
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Unbelievable :-\ Do you not have a heart?
This is the moopiest warface I've ever seen. Someone get this man a cup of herbal tea.
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You're father or grandfather? I meant to talk to your father. When my grandfather died his children looted the old fellas war memorabilia. Half the stuff has gone missing.
My father has his ring. I doubt that he knows about my grandfather's exploits. I think my grandpa chose not to talk about it.
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My father has his ring. I doubt that he knows about my grandfather's exploits. I think my grandpa chose not to talk about it.
wear his ring with pride.
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Even their great grandchildren can feel it with all of the congenial birth defects to this day.
We were nice enough to grant them congenial birth defects, another sign of our beneficence despite their transgressions.
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We were nice enough to grant them congenial birth defects, another sign of our beneficence despite their transgressions.
goddamn ungrateful slanty eyed bitches.
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Unbelievable :-\ Do you not have a heart?
Your grandfather was 100000x's the man you'll ever be.
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We won the war of bullets, but they won the war of manufacturing prowess. There are probably a ton of Japanese that look at us with contempt. Especially when you see what is on our roads---Japanese and German cars.
Goes to show, that not everybody has the same experience or holds the same views. Even if they have been thru the same or similar situations.
american cars are not popular here in europe and have a real bad reputation except the corvette. Im now talking about csrs from the 80s-now. If they deserved it i have nl idea but their reputation for handling and durability and gas cost is really bad here and i would guess in Japan even worse
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american cars are not popular here in europe and have a real bad reputation except the corvette. Im now talking about csrs from the 80s-now. If they deserved it i have nl idea but their reputation for handling and durability and gas cost is really bad here and i would guess in Japan even worse
Are you saying that Mulisim bulit cars are better? Let me send you a Ford Falcon at no charge.
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Are you saying that Mulisim bulit cars are better? Let me send you a Ford Falcon at no charge.
haha with the muslim invasion we have in sweden volvo and saab will be 100% muslim built cars.
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Are you saying that Mulisim bulit cars are better? Let me send you a Ford Falcon at no charge.
Unfortunately American cars are not made for good handling, spirited driving. Especially from the 1950's up to now they drove like they are injected with Novocaine. They were this way because that is what the American public wanted. Soft mushy ride, soft mushy steering, well you get the idea.
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haha with the muslim invasion we have in sweden volvo and saab will be 100% muslim built cars.
Probably no air bags, just dirt bags.
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Probably no air bags, just dirt bags.
Bwahahahahahahah ;D
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american cars are not popular here in europe and have a real bad reputation except the corvette. Im now talking about csrs from the 80s-now. If they deserved it i have nl idea but their reputation for handling and durability and gas cost is really bad here and i would guess in Japan even worse
Ford of Europe is not really thought of as "American"....But Ford has had some really GREAT cars over there. The Cortina, Escort, RS200, Ford Escort Cosworth, Ford Sierra Cosworth, Ford Focus ST...
And then there is GM owned Opel, and GM's Holden, and Vauxhall.
And Yeah, in Japan...American car companies have a hard time selling anything. Mostly due to Japanese Protectionism. But, I think Toyota sold rebadged Chevy Cavaliers...
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Ford of Europe is not really thought of as "American"....But Ford has had some really GREAT cars over there. The Cortina, Escort, RS200, Ford Escort Cosworth, Ford Sierra Cosworth, Ford Focus ST...
And then there is GM owned Opel, and GM's Holden, and Vauxhall.
And Yeah, in Japan...American car companies have a hard time selling anything. Mostly due to Japanese Protectionism. But, I think Toyota sold rebadged Chevy Cavaliers...
yeah ford has done nice cars here..the focus rs is pretty cool.. vauxhall isnt that just the name for opel in uk?
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yeah ford has done nice cars here..the focus rs is pretty cool.. vauxhall isnt that just the name for opel in uk?
What the hell is vauxhall probably a whore driving a stolen truck needing cash.
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yeah ford has done nice cars here..the focus rs is pretty cool.. vauxhall isnt that just the name for opel in uk?
Don't know...there is some badge engineering...there are models that Holden and Vauxhall share, and there are probably models that Opel and Vauxhall share.
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Don't know...there is some badge engineering...there are models that Holden and Vauxhall share, and there are probably models that Opel and Vauxhall share.
I will beat the piss out of a Opel.
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I will beat the piss out of a Opel.
My buddy drove one in Germany. Performance of an old Ford Tempo.
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Don't know...there is some badge engineering...there are models that Holden and Vauxhall share, and there are probably models that Opel and Vauxhall share.
looked it up. Vauxhall only makes rebadge opels since the 70s. Only sold in the uk.
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I will beat the piss out of a Opel.
lol wtf are you rambling about ;D
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lol wtf are you rambling about ;D
Laughing my ass off :D. I dont even know I guess running 64 psi in a 32 inch tire on a Opel jacked up on the left side burning a front tire off.
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looked it up. Vauxhall only makes rebadge opels since the 70s. Only sold in the uk.
holden Commodore and Vauxhall VXR8 same car as well.
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holden Commodore and Vauxhall VXR8 same car as well.
cool i was under the impression they only did the same cars as opel sells. But in ireland they sell the models under the opel badge and not vauxhall?
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cool i was under the impression they only did the same cars as opel sells. But in ireland they sell the models under the opel badge and not vauxhall?
Noth Korea is still running the Datsun B210's running on cabbage fuel.
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cool i was under the impression they only did the same cars as opel sells. But in ireland they sell the models under the opel badge and not vauxhall?
that my friend, I do not know. Maybe an Irish Getbigger can answer that.
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I thought this thread was about Japan, my area of lifelong study. But no, Parker had to cock block me and make it about cars. Sometimes that guy just burns me.
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I thought this thread was about Japan, my area of lifelong study. But no, Parker had to cock block me and make it about cars. Sometimes that guy just burns me.
I sorry...
At least you study it, and not make it into the ultimate Mecca for hipsters (who seemingly only like anime, hello kitty, and submissive women)
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I thought this thread was about Japan, my area of lifelong study. But no, Parker had to cock block me and make it about cars. Sometimes that guy just burns me.
At least nobody made it about Booty
She was chilidogged by Liar Priest
Is closer to being a grandmother than she lets on
Is 51
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I sorry...
At least you study it, and not make it into the ultimate Mecca for hipsters (who seemingly only like anime, hello kitty, and submissive women)
Ive never had any interest in Japanese popular culture. Japanese men are being feminized by modern culture.
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Ive never had any interest in Japanese popular culture. Japanese men are being feminized by modern culture.
If you are on any of the gawker sites, it seems like Japan is the Mecca for feminized hipsters...
So it may stand to reason that they may have something in common.
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If you are on any of the gawker sites, it seems like Japan is the Mecca for feminized hipsters...
So it may stand to reason that they may have something in common.
Pretty much men in general are being feminized, look at all these guidos, Latinos with their waxed homo eyebrows
All this push for homo behavior that the media is pushing
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If you are on any of the gawker sites, it seems like Japan is the Mecca for feminized hipsters...
So it may stand to reason that they may have something in common.
I've been to those sites and there does seem to be a fetish for Japan. I don't really get it. They have no understanding of the history of japan outside of cartoons.
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I've been to those sites and there does seem to be a fetish for Japan. I don't really get it. They have no understanding of the history of japan outside of cartoons.
they make pretty good cameras
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I've been to those sites and there does seem to be a fetish for Japan. I don't really get it. They have no understanding of the history of japan outside of cartoons.
I don't understand modern popular Japanese culture, it's like everything about it is anime , from how the girls talk, the way they handle day to day basis.
Their ancestors must be turning over in their graves, their culture is trash!
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I don't understand modern popular Japanese culture, it's like everything about it is anime , from how the girls talk, the way they handle day to day basis.
Their ancestors must be turning over in their graves, their culture is trash!
a lot of their ancestors didn't need graves because they were vaporized in '45
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I don't understand modern popular Japanese culture, it's like everything about it is anime , from how the girls talk, the way they handle day to day basis.
Their ancestors must be turning over in their graves, their culture is trash!
There is almost an aversion to treaditional Japanese masculinity by the younger generation. And there is a strong history of masculinity. While in Japan I was told by a couple of male Japanese students that Japanese men have turned their back on their warrior culture out of fear of what it signifies and where it might lead. A nation of repression.
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a lot of their ancestors didn't need graves because they were vaporized in '45
Well before then ;D
Their samurais and bushido way was bad ass 8)
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the young japanese also are very often asexual and virgins into quite old age, just like many getbiggers
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There is almost an aversion to treaditional Japanese masculinity by the younger generation. And there is a strong history of masculinity. While in Japan I was told by a couple of male Japanese students that Japanese men have turned their back on their warrior culture out of fear of what it signifies and where it might lead. A nation of repression.
That's sad, I'm sure the aftermath of ww2 didn't help either
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That's sad, I'm sure the aftermath of ww2 didn't help either
WW2 was very demoralizing and they blame the nationalists which many view as almost a cult.
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I may be hijacking where the thread has gone, and if so, I apologize, but the idea that Pearl Harbor was an attack on an innocent country that was just minding its own business . . . is regrettable. I am saddened at the loss of life at Pearl Harbor, and I am saddened at the loss of life after Pearl Harbor, on all sides.
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I may be hijacking where the thread has gone, and if so, I apologize, but the idea that Pearl Harbor was an attack on an innocent country that was just minding its own business . . . is regrettable. I am saddened at the loss of life at Pearl Harbor, and I am saddened at the loss of life after Pearl Harbor, on all sides.
STFU gimmick
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That is quite the intelligent dialogue. Well done, good sir.
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That is quite the intelligent dialogue. Well done, good sir.
You are so right. You did not deserve that at all for intimating that the US deserved the attack.
How about this: Eat shit, troll. Any better?
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Pearl Harbour is where the Japs did some serious American ass-kicking, right ?
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Pearl Harbour is where the Japs did some serious American ass-kicking, right ?
correct.
A semi sucker punch that was then literally responded to with an atomic one two knockout punch.
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The only Jap I care about is kyomu seems as a decent person.
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can i remember the Sand Creek massacre as well? how about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Wounded Knee? the Philippine insurrection? etc......give me a break..fuck pearl harbor dude.
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can i remember the Sand Creek massacre as well? how about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Wounded Knee? the Philippine insurrection? etc......give me a break..fuck pearl harbor dude.
Fuck wounded knee and all the rest and fuck you too.
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Fuck wounded knee and all the rest and fuck you too.
.............forgot to mention i also want to remember the u.s overthrowing democracy in Iran ( yes they were a friend and a democracy ) because they along with Great Britain wanted to take over their oilfields and people wonder why the Iranians hates the U.S with a passion..pearl harbor? wow...oh and fuck you and your momma too bitch.
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.............forgot to mention i also want to remember the u.s overthrowing democracy in Iran ( yes they were a friend and a democracy ) because they along with Great Britain wanted to take over their oilfields and people wonder why the Iranians hates the U.S with a passion..pearl harbor? wow...oh and fuck you and your momma too bitch.
sounds like someone is butthurt that the US fucks shit up.
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.............forgot to mention i also want to remember the u.s overthrowing democracy in Iran ( yes they were a friend and a democracy ) because they along with Great Britain wanted to take over their oilfields and people wonder why the Iranians hates the U.S with a passion..pearl harbor? wow...oh and fuck you and your momma too bitch.
Fuck those goat fuckers in Iran. Think of all those blown out goat O-rings. Fuck your momma, daddy and bald headed granny.
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sounds like someone is butthurt that the US fucks shit up.
........bitch im american but i also know that we have done some dirty ass shit to ourselves and the rest of the world..the axis of evil have nothing on us..nobody does. pearl harbor ???.........archer go suck a dick howdy doody..bring your momma and sisters too.
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........bitch im american but i also know that we have done some dirty ass shit to ourselves and the rest of the world..the axis of evil have nothing on us..nobody does. pearl harbor ???.........archer go suck a dick howdy doody..bring your momma and sisters too.
My mother is dead you heartless bastard. You suck a dick, you american imperialist
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My mother is dead you heartless bastard. You suck a dick, you american imperialist
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dude is clearly a whiney bitch fagget.
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dude is clearly a whiney bitch fagget.
To be serious, he's a classic contrarian.
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dude is clearly a whiney bitch fagget.
;D
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archer........rip to your momma bitch
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g.m. sounds like the kind of guy that whenever he sees a black man he aplogizes for slavery.
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g.m. sounds like the kind of guy that whenever he sees a black man he aplogizes for slavery.
no balls !
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g.m. sounds like the kind of guy that whenever he sees a black man he aplogizes for slavery.
By letting him fuck his wife.
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Fuck those goat fuckers in Iran. Think of all those blown out goat O-rings. Fuck your momma, daddy and bald headed granny.
hey.
just a little bit headsup if i may.
the iranians, not too long ago, werent "goat fuckers", nor are they today.
before the current regime took over,it was very liberal as far western lifestyle goes, and many still practice that behind closed doors.
in a dictatorship, the government doesnt necesarily represent the population.
many iranians consider themselves to be persians.
and a desperate man will eventualy fuck a goat if theres no woman around
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And it has long been known that the UK and USA governments knew the attack was going to happen and let it happen so that USA could enter WW2 with the support of the outraged nation.
You mean it has long been claimed, not known. Because the claim dates back to a fatuous 1991 book by James Rusbridger and Eric Nave - "Betrayal at Pearl Harbor." Long discredited.
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You mean it has long been claimed, not known. Because the claim dates back to a fatuous 1991 book by James Rusbridger and Eric Nave - "Betrayal at Pearl Harbor." Long discredited.
hm i tought there were warning that were not taken serious, but none of this let happen on purpose business
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hey.
just a little bit headsup if i may.
the iranians, not too long ago, werent "goat fuckers", nor are they today.
before the current regime took over,it was very liberal as far western lifestyle goes, and many still practice that behind closed doors.
in a dictatorship, the government doesnt necesarily represent the population.
many iranians consider themselves to be persians.
and a desperate man will eventualy fuck a goat if theres no woman around
Yes, I know this. I'm just being a dick. It's startling to see pictures of a time before the revolution. Iran was a very modern country.