Remember Pearl Harbor

[The Showstoppa]

I was a kid when this happened. As time passes and you do a reverse engineering on the politics and events of the time this idea has deeper and deeper roots.

Just be thankful we had real leaders, otherwise we would have isolated ourselves into speaking either German, Japanese or Russian depending on how events unfolded. 

[Hulkotron]

Wiggs is the local authority on this topic.

[Kazan]

Pearl Harbor was a naval base...the only thing cowardly about the attack was that we were not at war with Japan at the time.  I consider the Bataan Death March much worse than Pearl Harbor.

And in response, the United States vaporized a quarter million Japanese civilians instantly off the face of the planet with a few million more eventually dying of radiation poisoning, sickness, cancer, thermal burns, etc.  Even their great grandchildren can feel it with all of the congenial birth defects to this day.



The Japanese paid dearly for their actions long time ago and they are one of our strongest allies....we need to move on.

So your saying the Nagasaki and Hiroshima were not military targets?

And speaking of the Baatan Death March, should give you little insight into the mentality of Japanese. Ever hear of kamakazi?

[The Showstoppa]

So your saying the Nagasaki and Hiroshima were not military targets?

And speaking of the Baatan Death March, should give you little insight into the mentality of Japanese. Ever hear of kamakazi?

I think we should have hit Tokyo just for fun. 

[The Showstoppa]

As opposed to the Chinese and Spanish we're speaking now?

Maybe you are. 

[hrspwr1]

I think we should have hit Tokyo just for fun. 

 We had already burned it to the ground, had to pick a clean place for a good bomb damage assessment.

[The Showstoppa]

We had already burned it to the ground, had to pick a clean place for a good bomb damage assessment.

Had to be some other cities to hit.

[TrueGrit]

Pearl Harbor was a naval base...the only thing cowardly about the attack was that we were not at war with Japan at the time.  I consider the Bataan Death March much worse than Pearl Harbor.

And in response, the United States vaporized a quarter million Japanese civilians instantly off the face of the planet with a few million more eventually dying of radiation poisoning, sickness, cancer, thermal burns, etc.  Even their great grandchildren can feel it with all of the congenial birth defects to this day.



The Japanese paid dearly for their actions long time ago and they are one of our strongest allies....we need to move on.

Good post..

[Mr Nobody]

Goodrum is trying to start up a Jap car import business over the internets.

[Shockwave]

I think we should have hit Tokyo just for fun. 

agreed.

no one ever thunks about the millions of lived the bombings saved... can you imagine how many civilians would have died if we invaded the japanese mainland? It would have been horrific... not to mention the half million Marines waiting off the coast to invade had they not surrendered...

the japs would have thrown every man woman and chuld at the Americans... they had an unwavering patriotism instilled in them.... they were sending women and children at the Marines wearing bombs as they started closing in on Japan... hell, the japs were blowing themselves up before theyd surrender.

its very trendy to rewrite history and 'hate' the US for doing what it had to do to win the war... hell, the bombs were worth it simply by the nimber of US troops they saved from invading Japan..... but the fact is those bombs save 10x as many as they killed. On both sides.

People bitch about the a bombs killing civilians but never mention the incendiary bombings, like Dresden.

Summary - people are bleeding heart morons. You dont fight fair in war. You try and fight clean, but you use overwhelming force to crush the enemy as quuckly as possible. Doing so saves lives.

[Novena]

Why do you think the US Navy busted a gut trying to get dirigibles to work?  To have platforms that could hang in the air and search for hostile fleets in the pacific that were a threat.  They, however, couldn't get them to work well for their purposes.

[Novena]

I think we should have hit Tokyo just for fun.  

They did.
April 18th, 1942. Doolittle.

Not to mention the Curtis Lemay incendiary bombardment that actually did more damage than the atomic bombs did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki..

[forillagorilla]

A lot of tough guys in this thread.

Japan never stood a chance against the US. If u haven't noticed it's a much smaller country than the US w/ a lot less resources. The US victory in the Pacific was an inevitability, particularly since the US let the Russians fight the tough land war against the Germans pretty much by themselves. The Russians were going to Berlin whether we landed in Normandy or not.

Not since the Civil War has the US been really tested in a war and most of the impact of that was felt in the south. And even then, like Foote said, the north fought the Civil War w/ one hand behind its back. To many upper class northerners the Civil War was no more than an inconvenience (sort of like all these desert wars have been for most of the US population).  
Lol - You actually think your post is intelligent... You don't know a thing about military history...
Everyone likes to bash the French, but the US never faced casualties like it, and other European countries suffered during WWI. Who knows how the population would have reacted to what Europe has dealt with.

[Donny]

And it has long been known that the UK and USA governments knew the attack was going to happen and let it happen so that USA could enter WW2 with the support of the outraged nation.

True but the UK did Need the US. We won the Battle of Britain but were strained.

[Novena]

There was no telephone cable to Hawaii then, and as such there was no secure telephone connection to Pearl Harbor.  A radio phone call was out of the question because:

• 1)There was bad static that day.
• 2) They didn't want to chance anyone figuring out they were decrypting Axis message traffic.(think of Edward Snowden)

An encrypted telegram was sent that arrived after the attack was underway, and was not decrypted until after it was all said and done.

This is why the US military branches are so obsessive about telecom today.

[Donny]

There was no telephone cable to Hawaii then, and as such there was no secure telephone connection to Pearl Harbor.  A radio phone call was out of the question because:

• 1)There was bad static that day.
• 2) They didn't want to chance anyone figuring out they were decrypting Axis message traffic.(think of Edward Snowden)

An encrypted telegram was sent that arrived after the attack was underway, and was not decrypted until after it was all said and done.

This is why the US military branches are so obsessive about telecom today.

Morse code 

[Donny]

We found this out in the First Gulf War. They started to Train more Radio Ops and less Rtgs(Radio telegraphist) who learned morse to a high Standard. This old and tested method of coms proved its worth again when modern coms failed...

[Natural Man]

newsflash, japan is an ally of the US/UK/ISRAEL alliance nowadays...

[Dr Dutch]

Pearl Harbour? Wasn't that something like a pearl necklace?

[Shockwave]

newsflash, japan is an ally of the US/UK/ISRAEL alliance nowadays...

its because we kicked the ever loving shit out of them.

[arce1988]

 War is hell

[Parker]

FDR, the warmonger, couldn't wait to get the US involved in the war. For him, this was the happiest day of his presidency.

Actually, he could wait. Churchill had asked several times for FDR to join the war effort.
The only way to get the American people behind it was an attack on our soil. And what became the Pacific Ocean Theatre was primed and ready.

[Donny]

War is hell

yes

[The Showstoppa]

Novena and shockwave bringing the truth in this thread. 

[Mr Nobody]

I saw a flat ass jap with no tits and ass today very good skin on her face. Said she had a 3 year old by a dude she has been with 12 years looks as maybe 23. Another fucked up person continue on.