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After the passing of several bbers this year, I've been wondering, what happens with the oil that someone injects into themselves?? It is really filtrated by the kidneys? or it's just absorbed by the body? ???
Thanks!
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After the passing of several bbers this year, I've been wondering, what happens with the oil that someone injects into themselves?? It is really filtrated by the kidneys? or it's just absorbed by the body? ???
Thanks!
Anything that bypasses the intestinal tract hence injections, ends up in your bloodstream at some point. Author L Rea says MCT (which most synthol are) eventually gets reabsorbed as "food" by your body.
I seriously doubt it's that simple considering the quantities some injected.
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Anything that bypasses the intestinal tract hence injections, ends up in your bloodstream at some point. Author L Rea says MCT (which most synthol are) eventually gets reabsorbed as "food" by your body.
I seriously doubt it's that simple considering the quantities some injected.
MCT oil is good for you.
Therefore I'm left to assume that Synthol=healthy.
Will buy some tomorrow.
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Anything that bypasses the intestinal tract hence injections, ends up in your bloodstream at some point. Author L Rea says MCT (which most synthol are) eventually gets reabsorbed as "food" by your body.
I seriously doubt it's that simple considering the quantities some injected.
No wonder fools are injecting oil taking advice from Rea. Your blood gets filtered by your kidneys and liver. Oil is not something that is found in your blood. Don't confuse eating oil on a salad with injecting oil into your body.
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No wonder fools are injecting oil taking advice from Rea. Your blood gets filtered by your kidneys and liver. Oil is not something that is found in your blood. Don't confuse eating oil on a salad with injecting oil into your body.
How about using that Nutribullet thing to liquefy dinner and then run an IV?
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If you follow their simpleton logic that oil is just a natural food that is safe for you to inject then we should blend a chicken meat and inject it. How about some pea soup? Maybe inject some milk. No wonder bodybuilders have a reputation for being dopes.
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Exon 10-40 is not good to cook with.
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I doubt MCT's are toxic in any way, but can't say for sure. I don't think they are nephrotoxic.
Some of these SEO's contain other stuff like silica (iirc) to make them linger around longer. Benzyl alcohol is probably not good either, especially in large amounts.
I think Synthol just damages muscles. This is the potential problem:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22905749
Oil is not something that is found in your blood.
No? What happens to MCT oil, coconut oil etc when you eat it?
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I doubt MCT's are toxic in any way, but can't say for sure. I don't think they are nephrotoxic.
Some of these SEO's contain other stuff like silica (iirc) to make them linger around longer. Benzyl alcohol is probably not good either, especially in large amounts.
I think Synthol just damages muscles. This is the potential problem:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22905749
Wow, thanks the link. That's the first I acually a publication about a synthol case. Fucking creepy as shit to do this to your body.
"Magnetic resonance imaging revealed scattered cystic fatty lesions in the muscle"
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After the passing of several bbers this year, I've been wondering, what happens with the oil that someone injects into themselves?? It is really filtrated by the kidneys? or it's just absorbed by the body? ???
Thanks!
Here's your answer
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After the passing of several bbers this year, I've been wondering, what happens with the oil that someone injects into themselves?? It is really filtrated by the kidneys? or it's just absorbed by the body? ???
Thanks!
Hey man, I am a kidney specialist and I can assure you that the oil is not filtered by the kidneys. Most triglycerides and MCT oils and such are metabolized by the liver. I need to research Synthol more, but I doubt the by-products of metabolism would be significanty nephrotoxic. However, anabolics, clen, and NSAIDs will totally mess with the kidney. Just recently, I have started two bodybuilders who abused NSAIDs and anabolics on dialysis. Hope that helps. I believe ether is a hepatologist or liver surgeon so he may know better of synthol effects on the liver.
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Hey man, I am a kidney specialist and I can assure you that the oil is not filtered by the kidneys. Most triglycerides and MCT oils and such are metabolized by the liver. I need to research Synthol more, but I doubt the by-products of metabolism would be significanty nephrotoxic. However, anabolics, clen, and NSAIDs will totally mess with the kidney. Just recently, I have started two bodybuilders who abused NSAIDs and anabolics on dialysis. Hope that helps. I believe ether is a hepatologist or liver surgeon so he may know better of synthol effects on the liver.
Just wondering. How long have they been using AAS?
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I doubt MCT's are toxic in any way, but can't say for sure. I don't think they are nephrotoxic.
Some of these SEO's contain other stuff like silica (iirc) to make them linger around longer. Benzyl alcohol is probably not good either, especially in large amounts.
I think Synthol just damages muscles. This is the potential problem:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22905749
No? What happens to MCT oil, coconut oil etc when you eat it?
It's digested by acid. Much of it is eliminated and some enters your blood in small amounts. It's not put directly into your blood by injecting your muscles. Did you go to school on the small bus?
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It's digested by acid. Much of it is eliminated and some enters your blood in small amounts. It's not put directly into your blood by injecting your muscles. Did you go to school on the small bus?
no offence but it looks more like you had to take the short b6s to the school cause he never said that. But its not the first time you talk out of your ass about things you dont know a thing about
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It's digested by acid. Much of it is eliminated and some enters your blood in small amounts. It's not put directly into your blood by injecting your muscles. Did you go to school on the small bus?
Oldtimer1 - why be so insulting to VanBilder? He is a cool dude. He references many of his comments with direct links to research papers.
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MCT oil is good for you.
Therefore I'm left to assume that Synthol=healthy.
Will buy some tomorrow.
My cousins friend wants to know if you can inject synthol into your cock to make it bigger. He has a small cock.
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As the only REAL doc on getbig, I'll tel you this: if the Synthol is broken down to just the fatty acids and glycerol, it's processed by the liver and may be part off the gall. If whole fat particles get into the circulation, they may cause a fat embolie in the lungs. You don't want that.
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I doubt MCT's are toxic in any way, but can't say for sure. I don't think they are nephrotoxic.
Some of these SEO's contain other stuff like silica (iirc) to make them linger around longer. Benzyl alcohol is probably not good either, especially in large amounts.
I think Synthol just damages muscles. This is the potential problem:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22905749
No? What happens to MCT oil, coconut oil etc when you eat it?
Guess the race
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Thanks everyone for the replies.
Hey man, I am a kidney specialist and I can assure you that the oil is not filtered by the kidneys. Most triglycerides and MCT oils and such are metabolized by the liver. I need to research Synthol more, but I doubt the by-products of metabolism would be significanty nephrotoxic. However, anabolics, clen, and NSAIDs will totally mess with the kidney. Just recently, I have started two bodybuilders who abused NSAIDs and anabolics on dialysis. Hope that helps. I believe ether is a hepatologist or liver surgeon so he may know better of synthol effects on the liver.
Thank you! Good info.
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It's digested by acid. Much of it is eliminated and some enters your blood in small amounts. It's not put directly into your blood by injecting your muscles. Did you go to school on the small bus?
I don't know what "digested by acid" has to do with anything. MCT's as in Synthol aren't put directly into blood intentionally. If unintentionally then you get into the type of trouble Milos did.
That can and does happen occasionally with an anabolic steroid injection too and you will know within seconds, even before you pull the needle out. My only point was that I don't think medium chain triglycerides are toxic to organs per se. I doubt bodybuilders are killing their organs with fatty acids.
Now like I said some of these products contain other shit I don't know about, stuff that is there to make the oil stay in the muscle longer. That stuff may be toxic, haven't looked into it. Without claiming any type of expertise here I would speculate the main concern is damaging muscle tissue, whether due to fibrosis or even due to restricted oxygen delivery as some have suggested.
Many of these gurus like Palumbo have claimed that Synthol leaves the muscle in a matter of days, so it's a harmless way to "stretch the fascia" (which I think is BS on several levels)... but it seems obvious to me that this isn't always happening. Just look at the permanent disfigurement of a serious Synthol user. I think the reason for this is explained in what I linked above.
Just aesthetically speaking, I think Synthol is the worst thing a bodybuilder can do to his body. it never looks natural. The sellers all claim it will look completely normal if "done right" but I haven't seen a single case where you couldn't tell, where it looks like real muscle. I would have done Synthol by the gallon if I would have thought it could be done to look good. I don't give a shit about all these ridiculous moral objections like, "it's a lazy man's shortcut, it's not earned muscle" or whatever. IT JUST DOES NOT LOOK GOOD.
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Hey man, I am a kidney specialist and I can assure you that the oil is not filtered by the kidneys. Most triglycerides and MCT oils and such are metabolized by the liver. I need to research Synthol more, but I doubt the by-products of metabolism would be significanty nephrotoxic. However, anabolics, clen, and NSAIDs will totally mess with the kidney. Just recently, I have started two bodybuilders who abused NSAIDs and anabolics on dialysis. Hope that helps. I believe ether is a hepatologist or liver surgeon so he may know better of synthol effects on the liver.
Awesome post, thanks nico. Do you know what specific anabolics these guys were on? I keep hearing that trenbolone creates kidney duress. Scott Jensen claims that tren itself doesn't but benzyl alcohol does which tren acetate usually has a high concentration of when made with finaplix. Kinda make sense but I doubt it's that simple.
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Just aesthetically speaking, I think Synthol is the worst thing a bodybuilder can do to his body. it never looks natural. The sellers all claim it will look completely normal if "done right" but I haven't seen a single case where you couldn't tell, where it looks like real muscle. I would have done Synthol by the gallon if I would have thought it could be done to look good. I don't give a shit about all these ridiculous moral objections like, "it's a lazy man's shortcut, it's not earned muscle" or whatever. IT JUST DOES NOT LOOK GOOD.
No oils ever look good when injected, so I don't see why people have so much hope with Synthol. I don't really like pinning my delts for that reason. Nothing more than 2mls injected deep in the medial deltoid head.
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No oils ever look good when injected, so I don't see why people have so much hope with Synthol. I don't really like pinning my delts for that reason. Nothing more than 2mls injected deep in the medial deltoid head.
I can even tell with 1 ML in delts :-\
I'm pretty much exclusively glutes now because I follow the Van B rule that shots are simply NOT good for a muscle.
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why would you want to look big but be weak as a kitten anyways.
i'd rather be thin and superstrong.
you're all brainwashed with this bb industry and stupid inverted anorexia.
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I can even tell with 1 ML in delts :-\
I'm pretty much exclusively glutes now because I follow the Van B rule that shots are simply NOT good for a muscle.
I know, man. I use 1.5" for shoulders and shove the fucker in really deep and inject slowly so there's no irritation. If I see any sort of obscurity I get super self concious. Nothing looks worse than a 4th deltoid head ala Kovacs.
I only just started pinning delts after years of avoiding them. So far, so good. But if they get inflamed then it's glutes and quads only.
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I know, man. I use 1.5" for shoulders and shove the fucker in really deep and inject slowly so there's no irritation. If I see any sort of obscurity I get super self concious. Nothing looks worse than a 4th deltoid head ala Kovacs.
I only just started pinning delts after years of avoiding them. So far, so good. But if they get inflamed then it's glutes and quads only.
1st 2 cycles I did were delts only. Was afraid to try anything else.
Honestly I love glutes now. Easy and painless 8)
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1st 2 cycles I did were delts only. Was afraid to try anything else.
Honestly I love glutes now. Easy and painless 8)
Yep, same here. Only trouble is sometimes cramping up when hitting the glute shots.
It's been a long time since I fucked one up, but I just pinned badly in my right glute a few days ago. I guess I got some oil outside of the muscle and boy is it ever painful. Usually smooth as butter though. Glad I learned to hit this site properly.
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You crazy kids with your I.m shots, switch to subq and you'll never have those issues again. Plus it's pretty limiting in how much you can use so its hard to stray into abuse territory.
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Yep, same here. Only trouble is sometimes cramping up when hitting the glute shots.
It's been a long time since I fucked one up, but I just pinned badly in my right glute a few days ago. I guess I got some oil outside of the muscle and boy is it ever painful. Usually smooth as butter though. Glad I learned to hit this site properly.
Pro tip that my nurse GF showed me:
Lay in your bed on your side. Bring your top leg up towards your chest. Pin a nice relaxed muscle and get huge 8)
(apologies if you're already aware of this method)
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I can even tell with 1 ML in delts :-\
I'm pretty much exclusively glutes now because I follow the Van B rule that shots are simply NOT good for a muscle.
Smart, it's not indeed. Van bulbousAss knows his shit (I also like his leather cowboy hat). Deep, slow and steady push (no homo) does make a difference.
The bigger the muscle, the more dissipation, no shit sherlock. small groups just does not make sense. A beautiful man with glasses walked me through a lot of that stuff, ironically. Good pioneers are often eager to share both the good and the bad; I think it's a inherent part of a meme driven evolutionary approach.
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Pro tip that my nurse GF showed me:
Lay in your bed on your side. Bring your top leg up towards your chest. Pin a nice relaxed muscle and get huge 8)
(apologies if you're already aware of this method)
I'm kinda turned on after reading this.
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I'm kinda turned on after reading this.
Yes it's true, pinning has never been more erotic 8)
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I can even tell with 1 ML in delts :-\
I'm pretty much exclusively glutes now because I follow the Van B rule that shots are simply NOT good for a muscle.
You strike me as the type of young man that would use synthol.
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Lay on bed in the presentation position, prepare ass for long hard shaft, fill ass with warm, viscous fluids.
Did I get that right?! :o ;D
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You strike me as the type of young man that would use synthol.
Gallons.
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Lay on bed in the presentation position, prepare ass for long hard shaft, fill ass with warm, viscous fluids.
Did I get that right?! :o ;D
You're no stranger to this I see :D
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You're no stranger to this I see :D
Ah shit... walked right into that one lol
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You crazy kids with your I.m shots, switch to subq and you'll never have those issues again. Plus it's pretty limiting in how much you can use so its hard to stray into abuse territory.
Pinning with insulin pins is such a hassle...unless you load w 20g and pin subq with a 29g needle or something
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Pro tip that my nurse GF showed me:
Lay in your bed on your side. Bring your top leg up towards your chest. Pin a nice relaxed muscle and get huge 8)
(apologies if you're already aware of this method)
cool have to try this.mi always stand up when i pin the glutes.
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cool have to try this.mi always stand up when i pin the glutes.
Once you try side position with your naked cheeks spread all open, you'll never go back bro
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If you follow their simpleton logic that oil is just a natural food that is safe for you to inject then we should blend a chicken meat and inject it. How about some pea soup? Maybe inject some milk. No wonder bodybuilders have a reputation for being dopes.
Don't give them any ideas!
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Don't give them any ideas!
Seems to me all the tbombz trouble begun when he started his milk injection protocols.
What you syntax, are you pickin up what I'm puttin down?
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Once you try side position with your naked cheeks spread all open, you'll never go back bro
that sounds so wrong bro
Btw im a member of team nurse now :D
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that sounds so wrong bro
Btw im a member of team nurse now :D
Welcome to the club brother!!! So far it's you, me, and shockwave 8)
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/5f4ae529758a98d2b00ff97182f4bb04.jpg)
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Cool thanks, she is one sexy nurse
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Pinning with insulin pins is such a hassle...unless you load w 20g and pin subq with a 29g needle or something
Load 3 cc into a regular pin, then backload a bit into a slin pin eod, magic
Be even better if you have a hot nurse to do the back loading
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You crazy kids with your I.m shots, switch to subq and you'll never have those issues again. Plus it's pretty limiting in how much you can use so its hard to stray into abuse territory.
you talking about synthol or just gear?
whats the difference when inj subc to im for gear?
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you talking about synthol or just gear?
whats the difference when inj subc to im for gear?
The difference is pain, pain and a little more pain.
This stuff's meant to be pinned IM. Sub-q is too painful and cumbersome. If I want to pin a couple mls a few times a week, I've got to load a dozen slin pins and spend hours shooting that stuff. Even with a really thin oil, it takes forever to push through. Not worth it at all.
I tried pinning sub-q and just bruised hardcore. I wrote it off as a failed attempt and tried a few different oils and spots and felt the same excruciating pain each time. IM all the way.
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The difference is pain, pain and a little more pain.
This stuff's meant to be pinned IM. Sub-q is too painful and cumbersome. If I want to pin a couple mls a few times a week, I've got to load a dozen slin pins and spend hours shooting that stuff. Even with a really thin oil, it takes forever to push through. Not worth it at all.
I tried pinning sub-q and just bruised hardcore. I wrote it off as a failed attempt and tried a few different oils and spots and felt the same excruciating pain each time. IM all the way.
nice to hear from one that has done it...yeah i dont see any idea with that either its not so much work to pin the glutes and delts a couple times a week. I rather to that...that pain you are talking about is it while you are injecting or does it come like the day after or a couple of hours after...and if it is while you are injecting does it go away when you are done?
I shoot b12 subq in a friend that dont want to go to the hospital each 5 weeks to do that he has in on prescriptiom and that shit hurts bad when im injecting it
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I pin subq four times a week and have no issues with pain. The hips and glutes are much better than the abs for doing this.
Absorption is exactly the same just with a slightly slower release, but no muscle scar tissue or risk of damaging a nerve. bro dogma is hard to overcome but it's the best thing I ever did aas wise.. I only Wish I'd done it years ago
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I pin subq four times a week and have no issues with pain. The hips and glutes are much better than the abs for doing this.
Absorption is exactly the same just with a slightly slower release, but no muscle scar tissue or risk of damaging a nerve. bro dogma is hard to overcome but it's the best thing I ever did aas wise.. I only Wish I'd done it years ago
What do you say to the argument that sub-q should ONLY be used with pharm grade gear? Because UGL has more impurities or at worst more bacteria in it, which willfuck you up way worse if it goes in SubQ
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I pin subq four times a week and have no issues with pain. The hips and glutes are much better than the abs for doing this.
Absorption is exactly the same just with a slightly slower release, but no muscle scar tissue or risk of damaging a nerve. bro dogma is hard to overcome but it's the best thing I ever did aas wise.. I only Wish I'd done it years ago
you are right about the bro dogma..it sounds so strange to pin it sub q but on the other hand insulin and gh is subq and if it was waaaay more absorbation shooting gh im then every bodybuilder would do it to save casv and take 2iu instead of say 6
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you are right about the bro dogma..it sounds so strange to pin it sub q but on the other hand insulin and gh is subq and if it was waaaay more absorbation shooting gh im then every bodybuilder would do it to save casv and take 2iu instead of say 6
You're talking about water based drugs versus stuff suspended in oils though.
I gave sub-q oils tons of chances thinking it was the gear, the way I was pinning, etc, but I just can't tolerate it. IM all the way. Never met anyone IRL that could tolerate sub-q shots either. I'm not sure if people online are just trolling or if they really can do sub-q oils.
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You're talking about water based drugs versus stuff suspended in oils though.
I gave sub-q oils tons of chances thinking it was the gear, the way I was pinning, etc, but I just can't tolerate it. IM all the way. Never met anyone IRL that could tolerate sub-q shots either. I'm not sure if people online are just trolling or if they really can do sub-q oils.
I still can't wrap my brain around it, even though Mawse is good shit and knows his stuff indeed.
Like....why not just Mix your gear in water and not use oil, then pin SubQ? Is this doable?
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A few days ago I shot an amp of Galenika subq, half a ml in two spots. Zero pain,
couldn't tell there was oil there or anything. It's a thick oil so can't use a thin needle
but it was no problem anyway. Going to try an amp of Cido next.
I imagine some other compounds might be painful, or some UG labs with lots of solvents.
I think I tried some tren subq once too and it was no problem either but it was well made stuff that you couldn't feel when shot IM.
I wouldn't shoot everything subq but maybe some of it as i don't enjoy IM shots at all. But I want that high, fast peak of when shooting 4-5ml of test in the glute. :D
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I still can't wrap my brain around it, even though Mawse is good shit and knows his stuff indeed.
Like....why not just Mix your gear in water and not use oil, then pin SubQ? Is this doable?
The idea started due to two things. More stable levels when on HRT, even once or twice weekly enan/cyp shots cause some fluctuation that may be reduced due to slower absorption.
Then I read where Dante Doggcrapp said the solution to tren cough was shooting tren subq, and of course it makes sense.
If you search for Dr John Crisler on youtube he has a video where he shows how he administers test cyp in his stomach.
There's some abstracts on pubmed on this with TRT.
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What do you say to the argument that sub-q should ONLY be used with pharm grade gear? Because UGL has more impurities or at worst more bacteria in it, which willfuck you up way worse if it goes in SubQ
My test is prescription but the mast and npp I made myself, totally right about sterility but then think what injecting dirty ug gear into muscle tissue will do ... Inflammation leading to scar tissue at best, sterile abscess or worse.
I use the minimum amount of co solvents which helps, the super high concentration stuff UGs sell nowadays is way too solvent heavy, 50% bb and ba to prevent it crashing and a ton of ba to make up for questionable sterility and product.
Worst case, I've injected dirty gear into my delts in the past and have a big lump to show for it.. If that had been sub q at least I could have massaged out the scar tissue nodule instead of being left deformed .. And with shoulder pain as a result of the shortened muscle :(
Edit, you can realistically only put 0.5 cc into a sub q spot, so for big boy cycles this isn't going to work. But for Ed pokes of tren for eg it will save your scar tissue for those three cc shots of test. Ed I.m gets brutal real fast
Edit x 2 don't use water base, but you could use EO if you tolerate that and don't want to use thin oil
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Seems to me all the tbombz trouble begun when he started his milk injection protocols.
What you syntax, are you pickin up what I'm puttin down?
Yes, that man sure does love his...milk.
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I wish there was more threads like this on gb, we have people with lots of experience here so we could all make getbigs steroidboard to a really good one.
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My test is prescription but the mast and npp I made myself, totally right about sterility but then think what injecting dirty ug gear into muscle tissue will do ... Inflammation leading to scar tissue at best, sterile abscess or worse.
I use the minimum amount of co solvents which helps, the super high concentration stuff UGs sell nowadays is way too solvent heavy, 50% bb and ba to prevent it crashing and a ton of ba to make up for questionable sterility and product.
Worst case, I've injected dirty gear into my delts in the past and have a big lump to show for it.. If that had been sub q at least I could have massaged out the scar tissue nodule instead of being left deformed .. And with shoulder pain as a result of the shortened muscle :(
Edit, you can realistically only put 0.5 cc into a sub q spot, so for big boy cycles this isn't going to work. But for Ed pokes of tren for eg it will save your scar tissue for those three cc shots of test. Ed I.m gets brutal real fast
Edit x 2 don't use water base, but you could use EO if you tolerate that and don't want to use thin oil
Great post chief. This is very interesting!