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I am currently reading his book ''Open'' (which is very good by the way) but i have to take issue with his claims about his lifting. He claims that he was bench pressing twice his bodyweight, five to seven sets of over 300LBS.... I call bullshit on this...
Thoughts?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Andre_Agassi_2005_US_Clay_Court.jpg)
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Filt.
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I say true! Most bodybuilders are fuckers compared to real athletic men. Look dosent say a shit in real sport! He can fucking smach that tennis ball quicker than 99.99999% of the worlds population. How do u think he can achive that speed without funktional muscles? Do u think he is a normal sucker like u??????? Please grow up and understand how fucking epic all men in real sports are! Bodybuilders and gymrats are fucking joke!
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I don't know about 300. But he did get buff and roided at some point after his comeback and he was very explosive. A great natural athlete plus PED is not that far fetched.
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I say true! Most bodybuilders are fuckers compared to real athletic men. Look dosent say a shit in real sport! He can fucking smach that tennis ball quicker than 99.99999% of the worlds population. How do u think he can achive that speed without funktional muscles? Do u think he is a normal sucker like u??????? Please grow up and understand how fucking epic all men in real sports are! Bodybuilders and gymrats are fucking joke!
No, he can smash a tennis ball in a controlled fashion quicker than 99.9%, don't mean he can hit it harder full stop.
As for his claims of 300lb bench press for reps, not a chance , would be surprised if he could get 220 x 1.
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I say true! Most bodybuilders are fuckers compared to real athletic men. Look dosent say a shit in real sport! He can fucking smach that tennis ball quicker than 99.99999% of the worlds population. How do u think he can achive that speed without funktional muscles? Do u think he is a normal sucker like u??????? Please grow up and understand how fucking epic all men in real sports are! Bodybuilders and gymrats are fucking joke!
So according to your logic, a lifter who can bench-press lets say 250 KG should also be able to smash a tennis ball at high speed when he learned the right technique? ???
That's not true.
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THis is how one of the WORLDS MOST quickest and strongest legs in cyling look like! Gymrats live in a very very smal world.
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Why not? He has enough muscles to do that, you don't have to be a beast to bench press 300lbs.
(http://i.iplsc.com/podium-szymona-koleckiego/0001G05OQRNYWPSV-C317-F3.jpg)
One of best olympic lifters in history, bench press 230kg at his best, now he is retired and still can bench press 200kg.
1:17 best olympic lifter in history, stronger in deadlift/squat than anyone on this website and considering his 240kg jerk he can keep up with everyone in the bench press.
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Why not? He has enough muscles to do that, you don't have to be a beast to bench press 300lbs.
(http://i.iplsc.com/podium-szymona-koleckiego/0001G05OQRNYWPSV-C317-F3.jpg)
One of best olympic lifters in history, bench press 230kg at his best, now he is retired and still can bench press 200kg.
1:17 best olympic lifter in history, stronger in deadlift/squat than anyone on this website and considering his 240kg jerk he can keep up with everyone in the bench press.
Difference is these guys spent years training, practicing and perfecting their lifting technique. Andre Agassi was a tennis player, whose training would have been geared towards playing better tennis rather than hitting big lifting numbers.
You may not have to be a beast to bench 300lb, but you try and find someone in any gym or any footage on youtube or wherever with someone of Aggasi's build benching 300lb for reps.
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I would believe a 1RM of close to 300 for Andre. No way he was doing 5+ sets of 300 lbs for reps though.
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Difference is these guys spent years training, practicing and perfecting their lifting technique. Andre Agassi was a tennis player, whose training would have been geared towards playing better tennis rather than hitting big lifting numbers.
You may not have to be a beast to bench 300lb, but you try and find someone in any gym or any footage on youtube or wherever with someone of Aggasi's build benching 300lb for reps.
Exactly my thoughts. Agassi was only about 165LBS and was an endurance athlete.While you dont have to be a beast to bench press over 300LBS it is a hell of a lot for a 165 tennis player.
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My guess is that it was a "Universal" bench press machine. He put the pin in the plate marked "17" and did the math. Voila!
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What most losers into "bodybuilding" don't understand is FUNCTIONAL MUSCLE.
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What most losers into "bodybuilding" don't understand is FUNCTIONAL MUSCLE.
lol - what most losers in bodybuilding do understand is how heavy 300LBS on a bar would be for a tennis player with a bodyweight of 165LBS. :D
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http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/tennis/aus/2005-01-23-agassi-federer_x.htm
Agassi is now one of the sport's most dedicated and polished professionals, and he has shown up in Australia leaner and more focused than ever before. He dropped about 14 pounds to a svelte 164 during his rigorous offseason training in the searing Las Vegas desert, and can still bench press 315 pounds — as much as ever.
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http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/tennis/aus/2005-01-23-agassi-federer_x.htm
Agassi is now one of the sport's most dedicated and polished professionals, and he has shown up in Australia leaner and more focused than ever before. He dropped about 14 pounds to a svelte 164 during his rigorous offseason training in the searing Las Vegas desert, and can still bench press 315 pounds — as much as ever.
While this affirms what he said in his book it is not proof. In fairness to Agassi, if he can do this then hats off to him, i just doubt it thats all.
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While this affirms what he said in his book it is not proof. In fairness to Agassi, if he can do this then hats off to him, i just doubt it thats all.
No but it shows that it is a consistent claim that has been made by a few people over the course of his career and beyond. It isn't some bar-room brag.
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Considering that there's never been a bench press claim, not backed up by video, that isn't a lie, the probabilities favor this being one, too.
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My guess is that it was a "Universal" bench press machine. He put the pin in the plate marked "17" and did the math. Voila!
A strong theory
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My guess is that it was a "Universal" bench press machine. He put the pin in the plate marked "17" and did the math. Voila!
This. This happens all the time.
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Easily true
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At nearly the same weight I did 265 for 8 I'm no athlete.
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225 maybe for a few..
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hahahaha look at those forearms. They would snap like matches holding 315 ::)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Andre_Agassi_2005_US_Clay_Court.jpg)
I bet Serena Williams benched mor than Agassi
(http://cdn.cnwimg.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/serena-williams-1024x798.jpg)
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Difference is these guys spent years training, practicing and perfecting their lifting technique. Andre Agassi was a tennis player, whose training would have been geared towards playing better tennis rather than hitting big lifting numbers.
You may not have to be a beast to bench 300lb, but you try and find someone in any gym or any footage on youtube or wherever with someone of Aggasi's build benching 300lb for reps.
OK.
175cm tall, 75kg bw, 150kg x 1 bench press drug free.
~36cm arms
(http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/andre_agassi-300x300.jpg)
Agassi looks good, he obviously did a lot of strength training, he is a pro, elite level athlete in extremely competetive sport. I would believe in way more than mere 140kg.
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methamphetamine
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(http://www.benchpresschampion.com/WORLDCOMPETITIONS/Monde2008/KODAMA.jpg)
This guy has 290kg bench press (in shirt) and way over 200kg raw.
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brutal hairline on the kazakh fella
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(http://www.benchpresschampion.com/WORLDCOMPETITIONS/Monde2008/KODAMA.jpg)
This guy has 290kg bench press (in shirt) and way over 200kg raw.
He is more built than Agassi though.
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This is what healthy and strong looks like, bb has masked what a true strong build actually looks like.
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He is more built than Agassi though.
And he is proportionally stronger, you wouldn't believe in his around 220kg bench press if I just showed you this picture either.
Some have genetics to be huge, some don't. Some have genetics to be freaky strong, some don't. It has nothing to do with "big bones" or "strong ligaments", or whatever - if your CNS adapts easily you can be pretty much skinnyfat and outlift everyone in the gym. Some will build muscular physique along the way but not everyone. There are exceptions who no matter how many drugs they took, would still remain skinnyfat but strong as fuark.
I pity especially those who are skinnyfat AND weak.
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And he is proportionally stronger, you wouldn't believe in his around 220kg bench press if I just showed you this picture either.
Some have genetics to be huge, some don't. Some have genetics to be freaky strong, some don't. It has nothing to do with "big bones" or "strong ligaments", or whatever - if your CNS adapts easily you can be pretty much skinnyfat and outlift everyone in the gym. Some will build muscular physique along the way but not everyone. There are exceptions who no matter how many drugs they took, would still remain skinnyfat but strong as fuark.
I pity especially those who are skinnyfat AND weak.
Hey, I don't disagree with you at all. I think he probably can/could do it. It's not just him claiming it as well.
(http://www.celebrities.pl/andre_agassi/andre5.jpg)
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Your average gym rat who looks like that would most likely bench press 100-110kg. But you forget that he is not your average gymrat, he is fucking Agassi. He is a legend of a sport where strength and speed is a factor.
He has good pecs and shoulders, if he had better arms he would have a great physique. He doesn't have arms because most likely he does not even train them, he does not give a fuck. When you are a multi millionare and elite athlete having 22inch roid-pumped pythons is not on the top on the list of your priorities.
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(http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/andre_agassi-300x300.jpg)
;D
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I would like to remind everyone that I am the best bodybuilder to ever play pro tennis and the best tennis player to ever body-build.
I managed 405X3 while on roids at 217 lbs so I am sure Agassi can do 3 plates for a couple of reps.
BTW, Agassi is actually not a midget but my height (5'11") and was playing at around 175lbs.
And lol @ Conker's hitting the tennis ball hard analogy ;D .. based on that I think Rich Piana can hit harder than Overeem if he took kickboxing seriously,
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I would like to remind everyone that I am the best bodybuilder to ever play pro tennis and the best tennis player to ever body-build.
I managed 405X3 while on roids at 217 lbs so I am sure Agassi can do 3 plates for a couple of reps.
BTW, Agassi is actually not a midget but my height (5'11") and was playing at around 175lbs.
And lol @ Conker's hitting the tennis ball hard analogy ;D .. based on that I think Rich Piana can hit harder than Overeem if he took kickboxing seriously,
Yeh and I guess you never bothered with any video footage either right? I guess you probably won't even have any footage of you benching 350lb right? ::)
I love how people make these claims of feats of strength but never bother recording it. It's like some dude on another forum i read claims he incline presses 180kg for reps but instead of videoing this he sticks up vids of him doing lateral raises or some other BS.
And your comprehension skills are lacking, i never said someone a lot bigger than Aggasi could hit a tennis ball harder than him, I said it wasn't a given that Aggasi can hit a tennis ball in any fashion harder than someone bigger and stronger but no so good at tennis.
And actually your analogy with Overeem backs my point to some extent, I used to knock about with a guy who was a pretty good amateur boxer, I have never boxed. Yet we used to hit those punchball things they have at fairs and stuff, and I could always hit them harder than him and get a better score, but in a boxing ring i would have no chance.
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Bullshit. He would be lucky to roll 300lbs. No way on earth he did that many reps and sets.
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Yeh and I guess you never bothered with any video footage either right? I guess you probably won't even have any footage of you benching 350lb right? ::)
I love how people make these claims of feats of strength but never bother recording it. It's like some dude on another forum i read claims he incline presses 180kg for reps but instead of videoing this he sticks up vids of him doing lateral raises or some other BS.
And your comprehension skills are lacking, i never said someone a lot bigger than Aggasi could hit a tennis ball harder than him, I said it wasn't a given that Aggasi can hit a tennis ball in any fashion harder than someone bigger and stronger but no so good at tennis.
And actually your analogy with Overeem backs my point to some extent, I used to knock about with a guy who was a pretty good amateur boxer, I have never boxed. Yet we used to hit those punchball things they have at fairs and stuff, and I could always hit them harder than him and get a better score, but in a boxing ring i would have no chance.
have them all on youtube. You realize I was very ironic with that comment right?
No matter how big or strong you are you could not hit a tennis ball even half as hard as I do. Not hitting back and forth . even just standing. It is the same with baseball, you could not throw in the 90's no matter how strong you are.
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I can believe 1 or 2 reps, but the op states in the book he used that weight for sets. I would assume at least 6 reps for a set. So I say no way.
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have them all on youtube. You realize I was very ironic with that comment right?
link? 405 x 3 at around 215 is pretty damn strong IMO.
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I've seen the skinniest guys using the heavier dumbells while the bigger chunkier fellas look on wondering how they are being outlifted
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I bet he could knock out 225 x 10, back in the day.
World class conditioning... you get strong from 6 or 8 hours on the tennis court every day. Tendons are durable and he's just put together to handle 20 years of high end elite tennis play.
I think 300 pounds for 5 "mostly" reps with a spotter doing a nice chunk of the work is a reasonable claim.
Also, if he was using a cycle of orals back then (everyone was, right?), I could see that helping a lot.
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I've seen the skinniest guys using the heavier dumbells while the bigger chunkier fellas look on wondering how they are being outlifted
I've never seen anybody I would describe as "skinny" using the 100lb db's. seen plenty of fat guys use them.
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have them all on youtube. You realize I was very ironic with that comment right?
No matter how big or strong you are you could not hit a tennis ball even half as hard as I do. Not hitting back and forth . even just standing.
Well from what I've seen in tennis the bigger guys tend to hit the ball the hardest.
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I don't think they were 100's but there were 2 skinny lads who consistently showed the bigger ones up.
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No, he can smash a tennis ball in a controlled fashion quicker than 99.9%, don't mean he can hit it harder full stop.
As for his claims of 300lb bench press for reps, not a chance , would be surprised if he could get 220 x 1.
nah, not the controled, forget that.
any newcomer will not get nowhere near the same speed as a pro,on no shot, give a tennis racket to big rami and see what happens.
nobody is hitting a 120mph service speed without many years of training.not hitting in the field, i mean getting the speed at all.it will not happen.
the move is way too complex, takes too much coordination.
now,agassis bench claims, hell no sure as hell he didnt any 1 rep with 300lbs in a "legal" fashion, full rom etc.the weight would simply dislocate his shoulders and break the arms,lol.
anyone who played tennis on serious level will know that a serve speed comes from year long learned explosive movement where the whole body work like clockwork.raw strenght means nothing.
its a cordination of many muscle areas playing together.
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THis is how one of the WORLDS MOST quickest and strongest legs in cyling look like! Gymrats live in a very very smal world.
no its not
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XCzrSO8ALkc/UB3ywQGlaiI/AAAAAAAAMaY/BB2nFtHIH6E/s1600/robert+forstemann-germany.jpg)
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Your average gym rat who looks like that would most likely bench press 100-110kg. But you forget that he is not your average gymrat, he is fucking Agassi. He is a legend of a sport where strength and speed is a factor.
He has good pecs and shoulders, if he had better arms he would have a great physique. He doesn't have arms because most likely he does not even train them, he does not give a fuck. When you are a multi millionare and elite athlete having 22inch roid-pumped pythons is not on the top on the list of your priorities.
fuck you loser.go on to some lady sports tennis web and lick his ass.you have no buisness posting here.
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Cleanest Natural pictured here during his Phil Heath/Kevin Levrone-esq off season. ;D
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very good Galeniko .. the speed in serve comes from the legs that explode the body upward while the whole body twists 180 degrees like loading a coil then add the arm that just holds the raquet and when you manage to coordonate all those like the boosters of a rocket that fire in succession then you have those high speeds. Uncontrolled.. to serve big AND be precise is a dif story
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nah, not the controled, forget that.
any newcomer will not get nowhere near the same speed as a pro,on no shot, give a tennis racket to big rami and see what happens.
nobody is hitting a 120mph service speed without many years of training.not hitting in the field, i mean getting the speed at all.it will not happen.
the move is way too complex, takes too much coordination.
now,agassis bench claims, hell no sure as hell he didnt any 1 rep with 300lbs in a "legal" fashion, full rom etc.the weight would simply dislocate his shoulders and break the arms,lol.
anyone who played tennis on serious level will know that a serve speed comes from year long learned explosive movement where the whole body work like clockwork.raw strenght means nothing.
its a cordination of many muscle areas playing together.
Agree. Its like a golf swing. Way more technique invloved instead of just size of the player.
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Yeh and I guess you never bothered with any video footage either right? I guess you probably won't even have any footage of you benching 350lb right? ::)
I love how people make these claims of feats of strength but never bother recording it. It's like some dude on another forum i read claims he incline presses 180kg for reps but instead of videoing this he sticks up vids of him doing lateral raises or some other BS.
And your comprehension skills are lacking, i never said someone a lot bigger than Aggasi could hit a tennis ball harder than him, I said it wasn't a given that Aggasi can hit a tennis ball in any fashion harder than someone bigger and stronger but no so good at tennis.
And actually your analogy with Overeem backs my point to some extent, I used to knock about with a guy who was a pretty good amateur boxer, I have never boxed. Yet we used to hit those punchball things they have at fairs and stuff, and I could always hit them harder than him and get a better score, but in a boxing ring i would have no chance.
Sev has posted films backing his strength claims.
Are there things?
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fuck you loser.go on to some lady sports tennis web and lick his ass.you have no buisness posting here.
Except he's right. Agassi's an elite athlete who was successful at the pinnacle of his sport.
He's going to be stronger, faster, etc...in addition to having better techniques and access to the best training and foods.
Too many get caught up in bodybuilding bullshit and try to judge strength by looking at someone.
That said, I believe 315, but since the amount of reps aren't stated, it's not much to really worry about.
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nah, not the controled, forget that.
any newcomer will not get nowhere near the same speed as a pro,on no shot, give a tennis racket to big rami and see what happens.
nobody is hitting a 120mph service speed without many years of training.not hitting in the field, i mean getting the speed at all.it will not happen.
the move is way too complex, takes too much coordination.
now,agassis bench claims, hell no sure as hell he didnt any 1 rep with 300lbs in a "legal" fashion, full rom etc.the weight would simply dislocate his shoulders and break the arms,lol.
anyone who played tennis on serious level will know that a serve speed comes from year long learned explosive movement where the whole body work like clockwork.raw strenght means nothing.
its a cordination of many muscle areas playing together.
The serve takes as you say a great deal of technique, I've played quite a bit of tennis and am shit at it, i can't hit the ball too hard in a game or it tends to go out the court lol, but just chucking a ball in the air and hitting it in any fashion(direction no issue) i would take a bet i could hit the ball harder than a lot of people who i wouldn't be able to win a single game against on a court.
Of course someone who has never picked up a tennis racket before would be a different issue. And I think once you get past a certain size like the Ramis and Pianas you greatly lose any athleticism you may have had, so better comparisons in such things would be guys that are big and naturally athletic, but not past the point where wiping their own arse is not possible.
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True. Also, a lot of bodybuilding is how much you look like you lift, not how strong you actually are. A lot of the biggest guys don't shift the heaviest weight and so one can see a much smaller guy and think the amount he's lifting much be bullshit. However, he isn't training like a bodybuilder at all, he is focusing on strength and power etc..
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Sev has posted films backing his strength claims.
Are there things?
What are you talking about you idiot? I am pretty impressed if he can bench what he says he has, i just haven't seen the vids , so was simply asking him if he minds posting the link.
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Except he's right. Agassi's an elite athlete who was successful at the pinnacle of his sport.
He's going to be stronger, faster, etc...in addition to having better techniques and access to the best training and foods.
Too many get caught up in bodybuilding bullshit and try to judge strength by looking at someone.
That said, I believe 315, but since the amount of reps aren't stated, it's not much to really worry about.
Him being an elite athlete means nothing in regards to pure lifting strength. Especially in a sport where overwhelming strength isnt needed. Look ar Honey Badger from LSU. Elite, but weaker than a large percent of getbiggers.
Another example being baseball players. I lifted with a number of them, one being Ryan Doumit that the Braves just signed and they were nothing special in the gym.
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What are you talking about you idiot? I am pretty impressed if he can bench what he says he has, i just haven't seen the vids , so was simply asking him if he minds posting the link.
It seems you are very sensitive about this topic.
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It seems you are very sensitive about this topic.
yes very ;D
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Yeah, I believe a 300+ bench for a man of Agassi's body frame and weight. Also believe in trust but verify, but in his case it's plausible. Some guy's are just born with correct bone leverage and muscle structure to be natural pressers. Same as others being natural squatters or DL'ers. And they don't always have mounds of masses muscles to do it. Some can be somewhat lean or average looking, though muscular. Muscle size does not always mean better strength.
High school kids handle 300+ quite well and their bodies are not near fully mature to take advantage of theie full strength potential. Benching strengthen the lats/bac/traps also.
Strength also increases speed. With tennis, it is the pulling action of the event, not pushing (not going to press the ball over the net). Given that, Agassi's natural pull must also be strong. Just born with good Iranian genetics.
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What most losers into "bodybuilding" don't understand is FUNCTIONAL MUSCLE.
theres no functional muscle crap.
either theyre strong or not.
the size of muscle doesnt say much about the strenght,though.or, it doesnt say everything.
but agassi was never repping out legal slow reps with 300 for sets,lol.
ill believe it when i see it,simple as.
The serve takes as you say a great deal of technique, I've played quite a bit of tennis and am shit at it, i can't hit the ball too hard in a game or it tends to go out the court lol, but just chucking a ball in the air and hitting it in any fashion(direction no issue) i would take a bet i could hit the ball harder than a lot of people who i wouldn't be able to win a single game against on a court.
Of course someone who has never picked up a tennis racket before would be a different issue. And I think once you get past a certain size like the Ramis and Pianas you greatly lose any athleticism you may have had, so better comparisons in such things would be guys that are big and naturally athletic, but not past the point where wiping their own arse is not possible.
better not take that bet.
not on forehand, not on backhand,and especialy not on a serve shot.
sometimes theres those speed cameras in shopping centers and you can measure your speed of your hits.
try one of them, youll see its nowhere near where one initialy believes it to be.
the tennis players hit the ball much much harder than ppl would think.lol esp when controlling the ball and hitting the corut is no issue, you can forget about coming remotley close.
they can hit controled forehand shot at over 100mph no problem.
they can hit controled serves at 120mph no problem(males)
a good server will also have a decent baseball speed, throwing just the ball.technique is somewhat similiar.
thats right, amateur with no control,nothing to hit wont even come close to tennis player who hits the target within few square inches.
its just too complex movement to build up any decent speed without years of practice.
that said i was competitive tennis player and could and still can hit serve speed of 120mph, but even years into benching i couldnt do proper 300lbs lift.
the 2 movements have nothing to do with eachother.
i mean tennis players at national level, not the beer belly weekend superstars btw.
now sev being able to bench 4 plates is true, lol, but that was roided and after years of training, im sure before he lifted and just played tennis, 4 plates a side would have disemboweled him ;D
Yeah, I believe a 300+ bench for a man of Agassi's body frame and weight. Also believe in trust but verify, but in his case it's plausible. Some guy's are just born with correct bone leverage and muscle structure to be natural pressers. Same as others being natural squatters or DL'ers. And they don't always have mounds of masses muscles to do it. Some can be somewhat lean or average looking, though muscular. Muscle size does not always mean better strength.
High school kids handle 300+ quite well and their bodies are not near fully mature to take advantage of theie full strength potential. Benching strengthen the lats/bac/traps also.
Strength also increases speed. With tennis, it is the pulling action of the event, not pushing (not going to press the ball over the net). Given that, Agassi's natural pull must also be strong. Just born with good Iranian genetics.
lol, man, relax, agassi is lying or he used some kind of machine. :D
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Him being an elite athlete means nothing in regards to pure lifting strength. Especially in a sport where overwhelming strength isnt needed. Look ar Honey Badger from LSU. Elite, but weaker than a large percent of getbiggers.
Another example being baseball players. I lifted with a number of them, one being Ryan Doumit that the Braves just signed and they were nothing special in the gym.
I'm not saying it's a slam dunk, just not out of the realm of possibility like some are stating.
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hahahaha look at those forearms. They would snap like matches holding 315 ::)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Andre_Agassi_2005_US_Clay_Court.jpg)
I bet Serena Williams benched mor than Agassi
(http://cdn.cnwimg.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/serena-williams-1024x798.jpg)
yah but look at his chest ;D
i think need another source for the claims,i dont believe aggasis word on this.hell no.
lol what do other tennis players bench?
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I think it's possible. I've noticed over the years that the level of muscularity isn't as closely related to strength as is assumed. The guy with the biggest muscles isn't always the strongest.
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Bullshit. He would be lucky to roll 300lbs.
;D
btw its possible serena could be stronger than him, she has faster top serve speed.
would that mean serena can bench 300 too
or would that mean agassi did cswole rep-rom?
ill give him few reps with perfect form 2 plkates each side but thats it.
but one thing indeed ,lol, bodybuilders do think theyre extremly strong or something at times ;D
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I'm not saying it's a slam dunk, just not out of the realm of possibility like some are stating.
Like I said, I can buy a couple of reps. But not a working weight 6 or so reps for numerous sets. Not free weight wise.
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lol..seems like this isn't the only forum to debate this
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=30568
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No. Fucking. Way.
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lol..seems like this isn't the only forum to debate this
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=30568
hahahha
.Reyes since has presided over the...vomit-inducing dune runs that allow Agassi to bench-press 350 pounds while outlasting players nearly half his age.
now i know its bs
lol at the first post in that thread hahaha.is it common in america hahah
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hahahha
.Reyes since has presided over the...vomit-inducing dune runs that allow Agassi to bench-press 350 pounds while outlasting players nearly half his age.
now i know its bs
lol at the first post in that thread hahaha.is it common in america hahah
Yeah, I thought that was a bit suspect
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I think he meant singles not for reps.
I did not realized that you played competitive tennis galeniko. I played some futures then stopped around 2002.
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Andre used PED. He used Meth and Coke too. I totally believe he did reps with 315. Top athlete, strong, and on PED. PED are used in his sport too. NOT just NFL and MMA.
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Andre used PED. He used Meth and Coke too. I totally believe he did reps with 315. Top athlete, strong, and on PED. PED are used in his sport too. NOT just NFL and MMA.
True .. weird thing though, they kept handing out suspensions for clenbuterol.
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I think he meant singles not for reps.
I did not realized that you played competitive tennis galeniko. I played some futures then stopped around 2002.
" He claims that he was bench pressing twice his bodyweight, five to seven sets of over 300LBS.... I call bullshit on this..."
Quote from the OP who read the book. I can buy singles, but no chance he is throwing up 315 for multiple sets. And no offense, but the guys who keep throwing him being a pro athlete as being "proof" are barking up the wrong tree. Tons of pro athletes in many sports wouldnt be able to do this. And wasnt he 175 at the time? 315 for multiple sets? Not buying without seeing him do it.
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" He claims that he was bench pressing twice his bodyweight, five to seven sets of over 300LBS.... I call bullshit on this..."
Quote from the OP who read the book. I can buy singles, but no chance he is throwing up 315 for multiple sets. And no offense, but the guys who keep throwing him being a pro athlete as being "proof" are barking up the wrong tree. Tons of pro athletes in many sports wouldnt be able to do this. And wasnt he 175 at the time? 315 for multiple sets? Not buying without seeing him do it.
I have him ok for singles and nowhere near reps with anything close to 300. He was 170 lbs at the time
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not impossible to bench 300lbs (136kg) for a shitty half rep on the smith machine (and assume the barbell is 45lbs, which it isnt...) if you are an athlete
that's probably what happened
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I think Andre may have been able to use 315 for 3
but that is very good for a small tennis pro like him
on ped of course
ps, great point sev!
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I have him ok for singles and nowhere near reps with anything close to 300. He was 170 lbs at the time
Bingo. You were around very high level athletes, and I am sure you would agree that there is a huge amount of variation in strength. And some of the best at their sport were nothing in regards to lifting strength.
And also the reverse is true. Many, many gym guys are horrible athletes.
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I saw great athletes suck at the sport and seeming couch potatoes who were great. I saw world level who were very weak in the gym and viceversa.
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He probably counted it like most people do, with the spotters hands on the bar. They all say that is just for safety which is a complete crock of shit. The spotters hands being on the bar is always a significant help.
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Sev, do you think Andre did 300 for 1 rep? I think it is totally possible for him while at his peak and on PED
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Sev, do you think Andre did 300 for 1 rep? I think it is totally possible for him while at his peak and on PED
I think it is very possible. 300 is really not that much for one rep, even at a lighter bodyweight. That being said, it is unlikely any bench pressing he did was done under any kind of strict conditions with no spotter help whatsoever, all the way down touching his chest with his butt flat on the bench.
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thanks liquid
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I've posted video of guy that is of similar size to Agassi and can bench press 150kg x 1. He had 36cm arms at that time MAX. Full rom, solid reps. Therefore entire discussion whether someone his size can do that or not is void.
Twinks who can lift incredible weights are not unheard of in powerlifting. I've seen to many 180cm tall guys that weighted around 70kg that could bench press over 130kg and deadlift over 200kg not to belive Agassi...
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I've posted video of guy that is of similar size to Agassi and can bench press 150kg x 1. He had 36cm arms at that time MAX. Full rom, solid reps. Therefore entire discussion whether someone his size can do that or not is void.
Twinks who can lift incredible weights are not unheard of in powerlifting. I've seen to many 180cm tall guys that weighted around 70kg that could bench press over 130kg and deadlift over 200kg not to belive Agassi...
agassis arms are more like 34cm
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Ilya Ilin looks even worse and I would be surprised if he couldn't bench press 180kg.
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thanks deceiver
funny thing is... I will take andre getting 315 for 1 on the bench... spotter or not... more than I will take kali doing 275 for 4 easy reps via the biceps curls... does any one else feel this way?
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Ilya Ilin looks even worse and I would be surprised if he couldn't bench press 180kg.
yeah he looks like SHIT
i wonder why because klokov looks GREAT
genetics? different peds? different training? diet?
???
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Sev, do you think Andre did 300 for 1 rep? I think it is totally possible for him while at his peak and on PED
Yes .. he came back after his beer belly/meth phase fit and strong and dominated .. for the first time in his career he was really fit like a real athlete .. I do believe he did a single .. people forget that our very own Sherief Shalaby did 315X1 at 170lbs and he was natural. So Agassi all juiced up I believe ..
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(http://images.china.cn/attachement/jpg/site1007/20080817/000cf1bdd03f0a126a7e04.jpg)
Thank you Sev! Exactly my thoughts!
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yeah he looks like SHIT
i wonder why because klokov looks GREAT
genetics? different peds? different training? diet?
???
First of all, genetics. Secodnly, Klokov spoke about this in the interview, he cares about his bodyfat and muscularity for marketing purposes. I believe it was an interview with Ilya and he said that because he is two times olympic champion and one of the greatest in the history he doesn't need to care about that aspect. He is superstar in Kazachstan anyway.
Klokov used to be fat when he was younger, he knows that his career is over so he tries different methods to become celebrity in Russia and USA. His crossfit seminars granted him demigod status in Crossfit circles arleady. Arnold is his idol so he tries to follow his footsteps.
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First of all, genetics. Secodnly, Klokov spoke about this in the interview, he cares about his bodyfat and muscularity for marketing purposes. I believe it was an interview with Ilya and he said that because he is two times olympic champion and one of the greatest in the history he doesn't need to care about that aspect. He is superstar in Kazachstan anyway.
Klokov used to be fat when he was younger, he knows that his career is over so he tries different methods to become celebrity in Russia and USA. His crossfit seminars granted him demigod status in Crossfit circles arleady. Arnold is his idol so he tries to follow his footsteps.
thanks!
real intrestin info
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I think he meant singles not for reps.
I did not realized that you played competitive tennis galeniko. I played some futures then stopped around 2002.
:D
actually started lifting weights bc coach said my footwork sucked, so that meant bit squats and leg curls etc.
the rest,as they say, is history.
instead of the multi million chance in tennis, went for the pennyless bodybuilding olymp ;D
nah tennis isnt the money opurtunity for the poor, best to already bring some money and hope for the best.
i didnt play futures, but could win a few games (not whole sets) vs future players.
lol, tennis was our bb "foundation" ;D ;D
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Andre used PED. He used Meth and Coke too. I totally believe he did reps with 315. Top athlete, strong, and on PED. PED are used in his sport too. NOT just NFL and MMA.
ha yeah petr korda was busted with steroid usage.
lol, petr korda , less muscle than dj181.
look him up haha
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instead of the multi million chance in tennis, went for the pennyless bodybuilding olymp
more genius from the galeniko! ^ :D ;D
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(http://www.curiosone.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/PetrKorda.jpg)
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http://www.curiosone.tv/i-10-piu-clamorosi-casi-di-doping-29905/
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I've posted video of guy that is of similar size to Agassi and can bench press 150kg x 1. He had 36cm arms at that time MAX. Full rom, solid reps. Therefore entire discussion whether someone his size can do that or not is void.
Twinks who can lift incredible weights are not unheard of in powerlifting. I've seen to many 180cm tall guys that weighted around 70kg that could bench press over 130kg and deadlift over 200kg not to belive Agassi...
yes but that one trained specificaly for that lift, didnt he?
ofc someone agasis size can do it,as you said, strenght has more to do with skeleton structure,strenght of joints,tendons, and most importantly cn system.
that said, agassi wasnt "big" server, no power hitter in tennis, in tennis what made him dangerous is he could play the balls very early after they landed on the ground and thus, accelerate the game, and his reaction and instinc for return game.
i could definitely serve as fast as him,thats no big deal, measured it(sere wasnt his strenght anyway), and i have ok-above average genetics for strenght and this bbuilding stuff.
now, while i could serve like that bc of years and years of training, it still took many years of training , peds and severe weight gain till i got anywhere near close 1 clean rep for 300 on bench.
im slight bit taller than agassi ,we were about same weight and build, and after stopping tennis, doing only weight lifting and peds,ie concentrating on that, still took years.the body that later lifted 300 was nothing resembling the tennis physique.far advanced in overall power.
but maybe power is really just cns coordination and entirely given by genetics, and only need to be brought out,if you know what i mean.
but i find theres many paralels and is an ok comparo,thats why i really doubt it.
ppl often say a 300lbs bench is nothing etc.
a 300lbs bench single rep bbuilding style, no shirt,full rom, is quite very strong.
i could load up 5 plates each side+a spotter and do a 50% rom 1 rep bench but itd mean nothing.
agassi is a liar was one throughout carreer and has used peds,so much is clear, i dont think he can be trusted.
lol arce yeah thats the mass monster korda.he used deca,how dumb can they be to use soemthing like deca which can be traced for years ?
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:D ;D
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Yes galeniko .. we should get together and hit some balls when I heal .. during my teens I did on and off bodybuilding and fought in kyokushin karate (took a break from tennis between 15-18) .. so muscles and strength helped my karate and also my tennis.. I was one of the very few tennis players at that time to have a weightlifting component to their training. Loved it. Here's me in 2001 .. traveled from US to Romania to qualify for a few futures..
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Dude smashed Brooke Shields. She has never recovered. I say 100% truth.
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Kyo Ku Shin Kai Kan Ka Ra Te Do
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Kyo Ku Shin Kai Kan Ka Ra Te Do
Loved it.. was part of my teenage years .. helped me a lot with my tennis and discipline
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Congrats Sev
Osu
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Congrats Sev
Osu
ossu
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Its a pure brutal fucking shame people even mention 300 pound benchpress as an achivment compared to be a world nr 1 tennisplayser. Faucking guys make me angry. Fucking gymrats dont understand what it takes to be nr one in any real sport. Who the fuck cqare how much he can do in benchpress. He is a world nr 1 tennisplayer probably the most famous of them all. Made ton of billions dollar, known by half the worlds population, been seen on tv 100 times, ben all over the news, been all over the magazines, ben on all list, been on all talkshows.........WTF
Whats wrong with people....it fakking scare me how small people are in their toughts.
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Its a pure brutal fucking shame people even mention 300 pound benchpress as an achivment compared to be a world nr 1 tennisplayser. Faucking guys make me angry. Fucking gymrats dont understand what it takes to be nr one in any real sport. Who the fuck cqare how much he can do in benchpress. He is a world nr 1 tennisplayer probably the most famous of them all. Made ton of billions dollar, known by half the worlds population, been seen on tv 100 times, ben all over the news, been all over the magazines, ben on all list, been on all talkshows.........WTF
Whats wrong with people....it fakking scare me how small people are in their toughts.
He had skinny arms and legs, no back, was hairy and walked like a duck. Fuck him! ;D
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Its a pure brutal fucking shame people even mention 300 pound benchpress as an achivment compared to be a world nr 1 tennisplayser. Faucking guys make me angry. Fucking gymrats dont understand what it takes to be nr one in any real sport. Who the fuck cqare how much he can do in benchpress. He is a world nr 1 tennisplayer probably the most famous of them all. Made ton of billions dollar, known by half the worlds population, been seen on tv 100 times, ben all over the news, been all over the magazines, ben on all list, been on all talkshows.........WTF
Whats wrong with people....it fakking scare me how small people are in their toughts.
WTF are you going on about gloria? If you dont like my thread then fuck off from it. I have massive respect for Agassi as a tennis player, one of the greatest ever.I was just questioning some of his lifting claims in his book. If you dont like the taste of the pie, get the fuck out of the kitchen :D
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Its a pure brutal fucking shame people even mention 300 pound benchpress as an achivment compared to be a world nr 1 tennisplayser. Faucking guys make me angry. Fucking gymrats dont understand what it takes to be nr one in any real sport. Who the fuck cqare how much he can do in benchpress. He is a world nr 1 tennisplayer probably the most famous of them all. Made ton of billions dollar, known by half the worlds population, been seen on tv 100 times, ben all over the news, been all over the magazines, ben on all list, been on all talkshows.........WTF
Whats wrong with people....it fakking scare me how small people are in their toughts.
the latent homosexuality isn't so latent in this thread.
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a bow legged duck!
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so how much does he squat?
4 plates for reps right :D
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Its a pure brutal fucking shame people even mention 300 pound benchpress as an achivment compared to be a world nr 1 tennisplayser. Faucking guys make me angry. Fucking gymrats dont understand what it takes to be nr one in any real sport. Who the fuck cqare how much he can do in benchpress. He is a world nr 1 tennisplayer probably the most famous of them all. Made ton of billions dollar, known by half the worlds population, been seen on tv 100 times, ben all over the news, been all over the magazines, ben on all list, been on all talkshows.........WTF
Whats wrong with people....it fakking scare me how small people are in their toughts.
breakdown
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Was probably on hgh, elite athlete with reaction times comparable to a top raf fighter pilot.I guess if anyone could be an outlier then its him.
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Yeh but does he know ground game?
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THis is how one of the WORLDS MOST quickest and strongest legs in cyling look like! Gymrats live in a very very smal world.
Tour De France race is about endurance not about outright speed...
Have you see the quads on indoor speed track cyclists?
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Does Andre train submission grappling? BJJ, Sambo, Judo, etc
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Except he's right. Agassi's an elite athlete who was successful at the pinnacle of his sport.
He's going to be stronger, faster, etc...in addition to having better techniques and access to the best training and foods.
Too many get caught up in bodybuilding bullshit and try to judge strength by looking at someone.
That said, I believe 315, but since the amount of reps aren't stated, it's not much to really worry about.
if lifting weight is so useless why would he even mentioned his lift.it shows being top class tennis player is not enough for his self esteem.we bodybuilders lift weights to get bigger not stronger.any jack ass would know if you want to grow stronger not bigger just keep ur reps below 4.i dont give a flying fuck about endurance crap.i am ready to take down any jack ass mother fucker none weight training cardio junkie on street any time of the day.
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if lifting weight is so useless why would he even mentioned his lift.it shows being top class tennis player is not enough for his self esteem.we bodybuilders lift weights to get bigger not stronger.any jack ass would know if you want to grow stronger not bigger just keep ur reps below 4.i dont give a flying fuck about endurance crap.i am ready to take down any jack ass mother fucker none weight training cardio junkie on street any time of the day.
uh, ok?
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Does Andre train submission grappling? BJJ, Sambo, Judo, etc
Stupid fuck! Cav was a world champ in indoor racetrack before he got into the real cycling. Track cycling is for amatuers! Pro peleton is for real cyclists. Same for Wiggings, several olympic and world champion in trackcycling!
Fuck! I quoted wrong answer!! "Tour De France race is about endurance not about outright speed...
Have you see the quads on indoor speed track cyclists?"
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Stupid fuck! Cav was a world champ in indoor racetrack before he got into the real cycling. Track cycling is for amatuers! Pro peleton is for real cyclists. Same for Wiggings, several olympic and world champion in trackcycling!
Fuck! I quoted wrong answer!! "Tour De France race is about endurance not about outright speed...
Have you see the quads on indoor speed track cyclists?"
A bicyclist calling out an MMA guy? Lol. Only on getbig.
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Its a pure brutal fucking shame people even mention 300 pound benchpress as an achivment compared to be a world nr 1 tennisplayser. Faucking guys make me angry. Fucking gymrats dont understand what it takes to be nr one in any real sport. Who the fuck cqare how much he can do in benchpress. He is a world nr 1 tennisplayer probably the most famous of them all. Made ton of billions dollar, known by half the worlds population, been seen on tv 100 times, ben all over the news, been all over the magazines, ben on all list, been on all talkshows.........WTF
Whats wrong with people....it fakking scare me how small people are in their toughts.
calm down "julia cesar"
lol, breakdown of the month easy right there ;D
thats the point,he was a tennis player, not a powerbuilder haha ;D
whats next,elite pool billard players benching 400lbs for reps?
what about chess players, are they strong too?
or the dart thrower atheltes? ;D
comeon, 300lbs or even 350lbs like other place claimed, would have tore apart so many muscles on agassi and most liekly broke some bones, lets ask agassi if he would do this:
alone in room.bar loaded with 3 plates, no spotter, no smith machine safety, only breaking the neck if fail, and then 1 rep,all the way down to his chickan chest, pause, and then lift it up.
this would be a suicidal endeavour for agassi.
i dont think hes made billions of dollars, not us dollars,nah.
been on mags?ha, so was flex wheeler ;D
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I am currently reading his book ''Open'' (which is very good by the way) but i have to take issue with his claims about his lifting. He claims that he was bench pressing twice his bodyweight, five to seven sets of over 300LBS.... I call bullshit on this...
Thoughts?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Andre_Agassi_2005_US_Clay_Court.jpg)
This coming from a guy who admits now to having warn a toupee all along. Don't buy it for a second.
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lol i just googled cleanest natural's 405 x 3 bench, not to rag on the guy just genuinely would have liked to see it as is pretty impressive. well sent me to a few old threads on this site...seems there was quite a bit of controversy re the legitimacy of the claims lol think there was also a claim of 529lb squat also very decent.
anyways i have no idea as haven't seen them but don't see why you made those youtube vids private, while leaving the dancing(lol) and other shit public. You should be proud for people to see those lifts.
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lol i just googled cleanest natural's 405 x 3 bench, not to rag on the guy just genuinely would have liked to see it as is pretty impressive. well sent me to a few old threads on this site...seems there was quite a bit of controversy re the legitimacy of the claims lol think there was also a claim of 529lb squat also very decent.
anyways i have no idea as haven't seen them but don't see why you made those youtube vids private, while leaving the dancing(lol) and other shit public. You should be proud for people to see those lifts.
lost the password to that account so I have to recover them from an old computer if they are still there .. I am amused how you keep saying "claimed" .. the whole board saw the videos bench 315X10, 405X3, squat 405X10, 500X3 and 540lbs X 1.. I also jumped over a 5' rope etc .. I am well over my "feats" and just find them amusing ..maybe to you they are impressive but compared to others they are not that impressive.
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Galeniko brought up interesting topic, that is - tennis is the sport for the elite. For example Radwanska sisters come from rich, aristocratic polish family. They sold their paintings to finance their training. They were lucky, but bear in mind what would happen if they didn't succeed. This amount of pressure put on a teen is not healthy either. They knew since they were kids that their father invests every bit of money in them and if they didn't return any profits whole family would go bankrupt.
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Galeniko brought up interesting topic, that is - tennis is the sport for the elite. For example Radwanska sisters come from rich, aristocratic polish family. They sold their paintings to finance their training. They were lucky, but bear in mind what would happen if they didn't succeed. This amount of pressure put on a teen is not healthy either. They knew since they were kids that their father invests every bit of money in them and if they didn't return any profits whole family would go bankrupt.
not always .. if you are talented, you will be spotted and pushed forward and helped financially .. when someone is really good from an early age people will take notice. For example, Rafter was a nobody until 24 I believe .. then he woke up.
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lost the password to that account so I have to recover them from an old computer if they are still there .. I am amused how you keep saying "claimed" .. the whole board saw the videos bench 315X10, 405X3, squat 405X10, 500X3 and 540lbs X 1.. I also jumped over a 5' rope etc .. I am well over my "feats" and just find them amusing ..maybe to you they are impressive but compared to others they are not that impressive.
am only saying "claimed" as i haven't seen them and from reading the old threads it seems quite a few that had seen them weren't exactly convinced of the legitimacy....
i know it is not superhuman "feats" lol but still impressive for your size. props if legit
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am only saying "claimed" as i haven't seen them and from reading the old threads it seems quite a few that had seen them weren't exactly convinced of the legitimacy....
i know it is not superhuman "feats" lol but still impressive for your size. props if legit
yes .. I had some fake plates made especially so I could brag about it on youtube.
Does it occur to you that there are people out there vastly stronger and much more athletic or genetically gifted than you? Serious question ..
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Galeniko brought up interesting topic, that is - tennis is the sport for the elite. For example Radwanska sisters come from rich, aristocratic polish family. They sold their paintings to finance their training. They were lucky, but bear in mind what would happen if they didn't succeed. This amount of pressure put on a teen is not healthy either. They knew since they were kids that their father invests every bit of money in them and if they didn't return any profits whole family would go bankrupt.
yes its very often storys like this, rich already before or very high middle class who risked it all.
then theres few who are pushed b y academies.
but why they not pushed often is, talent is 1 thing,theres many talents out there, but absolute willpower comes only when its own moneys, and no xtasy parties on weekends and such.
the ones we see on tv werent the biggest talents when young,its the ones who held through.
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Agree. Its like a golf swing. Way more technique invloved instead of just size of the player.
Yup...that's why my cousin who's never touched a weight in his life can out drive me consistently.
... >:(
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These fucks will say anything to sell a book
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yes .. I had some fake plates made especially so I could brag about it on youtube.
Does it occur to you that there are people out there vastly stronger and much more athletic or genetically gifted than you? Serious question ..
No need to shoot the messenger , it's not me that said your lifting vids were fake, i'm just reporting what a lot of guys were saying on the old threads, as i'm sure you're aware as you took part in them! i think the main question was whether the plates were 45s or not(?)
i have no idea why so many doubted you, maybe your reputation precedes you or you just give off a shady vibe or something.
and seeing as i doubt i am any stronger than average for my weight and time training and would not consider myself to be in any way "genetically gifted" , yes i am very aware that there are probably zillions stronger and more gifted etc than me.
TBH from your pics you don't strike me as really being " genetically gifted" yourself either , just look like a pretty unremarkable skinny dude. that could be another reason why so many doubted your vids.
just because you were good at tennis doesn't really mean shit in terms of you being anything special athletically.
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No need to shoot the messenger , it's not me that said your lifting vids were fake, i'm just reporting what a lot of guys were saying on the old threads, as i'm sure you're aware as you took part in them! i think the main question was whether the plates were 45s or not(?)
i have no idea why so many doubted you, maybe your reputation precedes you or you just give off a shady vibe or something.
and seeing as i doubt i am any stronger than average for my weight and time training and would not consider myself to be in any way "genetically gifted" , yes i am very aware that there are probably zillions stronger and more gifted etc than me.
TBH from your pics you don't strike me as really being " genetically gifted" yourself either , just look like a pretty unremarkable skinny dude. that could be another reason why so many doubted your vids.
just because you were good at tennis doesn't really mean shit in terms of you being anything special athletically.
Ok "Conker" .. I see the blind became quite the art expert :)
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Ok "Conker" .. I see the blind became quite the art expert :)
just stating the obvious. don't think an expert is needed for that. ;)
anyways props again if legit, don't really know why you're so defensive, only wanted to applaud you for the vids if i could have seen them.
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350-365 for reps is really where the separation starts. A natural doing 315 for reps (although no small feat depending on bodyweight) really isn't any kind of benchmark. And although you only ever see a few people in your gym doing 315 for reps, it should be looked at as anything other than "not bad"...
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Too many people on here equating size with strength.
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Too many people on here equating size with strength.
And too many equating being great in a sport with being strong.
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He used to have alot of long hair what happened?
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350-365 for reps is really where the separation starts. A natural doing 315 for reps (although no small feat depending on bodyweight) really isn't any kind of benchmark. And although you only ever see a few people in your gym doing 315 for reps, it should be looked at as anything other than "not bad"...
i never seen these naturals benching that.
very reare and then theyd be very fat.
315 for clean slow full rom reps is enough to build heavyweight competitor phyqisue, with plenty drugs ofc,
nah i dont see naturals doing this.
well,i dont see many naturals period,eevryone on something.
me now natty, i dont even come close :-X :-X
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He used to have alot of long hair what happened?
He lost a hair vs hair match to Jimmy Valiant.
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On backround and pressure:
I've understood that father Williams teached his girls to play on his own.
Never really studied it. Did they go to one of these tennis academies or do
colleges have tennis programs and scholarships for it?
I mean that he was their coach at the start but after that, pros took over?
Anyway, didn't Williams's have a poor backround?
One of the most striking points in Agassis book is the pressure his dad put on him.
Barely teen, he made Andre play for all family savings against proven adult non-pro.
And like he says, he didn't even want to play in the first place. Later, after he basically
quit, made a strong second half of a career because he wanted to.
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On backround and pressure:
I've understood that father Williams teached his girls to play on his own.
Never really studied it. Did they go to one of these tennis academies or do
colleges have tennis programs and scholarships for it?
I mean that he was their coach at the start but after that, pros took over?
Anyway, didn't Williams's have a poor backround?
One of the most striking points in Agassis book is the pressure his dad put on him.
Barely teen, he made Andre play for all family savings against proven adult non-pro.
And like he says, he didn't even want to play in the first place. Later, after he basically
quit, made a strong second half of a career because he wanted to.
Poor Andre. Pushed into playing a sport to make millions and marry a superhot wife. Oh the humanity!
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I have seen many naturals doing 135kg for reps. My friend is a lifetime natty, his max benchpress is 160kg and he is not fat. You guys just haven't seen naturally blessed athletes, that's all. Most guys that train in the gym are like me, they started training because they were fat or skinny and never lifted weights in their life. You would be astonished by what can be achieved naturally when someone built a solid foundation in other sports over the years.
You cannot say what "can be done" based upon what mediocre gymrat can do because mediocre gymrat is at the bottom of the genetic pool. In high school there were two guys that could bench press 80-90kg in my class that never lifted any weights in their life, both lean and around 80kg bodyweight.
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315 is not really that easy for a TRUE LIFE TIME NATURAL
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It depends. I had to work hard for it and take steroids but then again I weighted around 80kg at that time. For some 140kg naturally is a fucking joke.
Cmon, I could read, write and calculate when I was 5, always had straight A and no one of my colleagues believed me I don't study at home. That's the same shit, despite what liberal propaganda tells you:
PEOPLE ARE NOT EQUAL.
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I dont give a piss about him.
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my all time best lifetime natural bench press
was a single rep with 135kg with perfect form and pause on chest
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I have seen many naturals doing 135kg for reps. My friend is a lifetime natty, his max benchpress is 160kg and he is not fat. You guys just haven't seen naturally blessed athletes, that's all. Most guys that train in the gym are like me, they started training because they were fat or skinny and never lifted weights in their life. You would be astonished by what can be achieved naturally when someone built a solid foundation in other sports over the years.
You cannot say what "can be done" based upon what mediocre gymrat can do because mediocre gymrat is at the bottom of the genetic pool. In high school there were two guys that could bench press 80-90kg in my class that never lifted any weights in their life, both lean and around 80kg bodyweight.
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Twice his bodyweight for reps for 5-7 sets....300+lbs.......sorry, not seein it. Is it possible? Absolutely. Do I buy it? No.
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Twice his bodyweight for reps for 5-7 sets....300+lbs.......sorry, not seein it.
Exactly. I've been saying the same thing throughout the thread. Yet someone has to chime in that we just dont know elite athletes. I guess by their estimation everbody who plays a pro sport is a monster in the gym.
Fact is the majority of "skill" arhletes I have lifted around were underwhelming on raw lifts. Which is understandable since they are mire interested in mastering the skills if their sport.
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Exactly. I've been saying the same thing throughout the thread. Yet someone has to chime in that we just dont know elite athletes. I guess by their estimation everbody who plays a pro sport is a monster in the gym.
Fact is the majority of "skill" arhletes I have lifted around were underwhelming on raw lifts. Which is understandable since they are mire interested in mastering the skills if their sport.
This ^.
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I have finally realised that I don't care what the bald fuck bench presses. It took me 7 pages but I got there.
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I am currently reading his book ''Open'' (which is very good by the way) but i have to take issue with his claims about his lifting. He claims that he was bench pressing twice his bodyweight, five to seven sets of over 300LBS.... I call bullshit on this...
Thoughts?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Andre_Agassi_2005_US_Clay_Court.jpg)
maybe armenian weights are in different units
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Exactly. I've been saying the same thing throughout the thread. Yet someone has to chime in that we just dont know elite athletes. I guess by their estimation everbody who plays a pro sport is a monster in the gym.
Fact is the majority of "skill" arhletes I have lifted around were underwhelming on raw lifts. Which is understandable since they are mire interested in mastering the skills if their sport.
Exactly, you may be the greatest parkour athlete in the world, but that don't mean you have an easy 350 bench because you're super conditioned for parkour......or tennis......or gymnastics........or basketball......or swimming.
I'm not sayin that no non-strength athletes aren't conditioned for their sport and have a superb bench.....I'm just sayin the vast majority don't have a big bench.
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Well, most of the stuff about Agassi were lies .. in reality he was incredibly talented but could not capitalize on his skills because he was on meth, partied, too much distraction around him etc... Pete did not do meth and he won double his total of slams ;D
Agassi, and our own romanian Nastase were two of the most gifted tennis players ever .. and Federer.
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Poor Andre. Pushed into playing a sport to make millions and marry a superhot wife. Oh the humanity!
Can't argue.
What about Williamses? They weren't even close to middle class to begin with I belive?
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Why not? He has enough muscles to do that, you don't have to be a beast to bench press 300lbs.
(http://i.iplsc.com/podium-szymona-koleckiego/0001G05OQRNYWPSV-C317-F3.jpg)
One of best olympic lifters in history, bench press 230kg at his best, now he is retired and still can bench press 200kg.
1:17 best olympic lifter in history, stronger in deadlift/squat than anyone on this website and considering his 240kg jerk he can keep up with everyone in the bench press.
klokov is the best olympic lifter in history?
did I miss something ???
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i never seen these naturals benching that.
very reare and then theyd be very fat.
315 for clean slow full rom reps is enough to build heavyweight competitor phyqisue, with plenty drugs ofc,
nah i dont see naturals doing this.
well,i dont see many naturals period,eevryone on something.
me now natty, i dont even come close :-X :-X
I'm not talking bodybuilding type physiques but just guys who lift weights...There's a few in my gym. But not the slow pause type reps and these guys aren't the bodybuilder type...But they do 315 for reps and have not really gotten any stronger or weaker for years. However if they miss a few weeks of benching, their bench will drop. Also they are probably between the bodyweight of 5-9 to 6'2 210-240ish and 15 to 20% bodyfat...
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klokov is the best olympic lifter in history?
did I miss something ???
I meant Ilya Ilin, on the left. BTW Ilya is stronger than Klokov XD
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Yes .. he came back after his beer belly/meth phase fit and strong and dominated .. for the first time in his career he was really fit like a real athlete .. I do believe he did a single .. people forget that our very own Sherief Shalaby did 315X1 at 170lbs and he was natural. So Agassi all juiced up I believe ..
brother i was 152 pounds (69 kilos) when i bench pressed 140 kilos (309 pounds) for one rep.. when i was 76 kilos i did it for 3 reps this year on the flat and 4 reps on the decline.. now i am 71 kilos (158 pounds) and can do the same weight for one good rep..
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On backround and pressure:
I've understood that father Williams teached his girls to play on his own.
Never really studied it. Did they go to one of these tennis academies or do
colleges have tennis programs and scholarships for it?
I mean that he was their coach at the start but after that, pros took over?
Anyway, didn't Williams's have a poor backround?
One of the most striking points in Agassis book is the pressure his dad put on him.
Barely teen, he made Andre play for all family savings against proven adult non-pro.
And like he says, he didn't even want to play in the first place. Later, after he basically
quit, made a strong second half of a career because he wanted to.
Venus was being coached by Rick Macci since age 11, I believe. All on scholarship.
Rick saw Serena walking on her hands behind the court while he was teaching Venus, and he predicted that she would be the better tennis player, and was more talented. He said this long before either were very successful.
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brother i was 152 pounds (69 kilos) when i bench pressed 140 kilos (309 pounds) for one rep.. when i was 76 kilos i did it for 3 reps this year on the flat and 4 reps on the decline.. now i am 71 kilos (158 pounds) and can do the same weight for one good rep..
Even more impressive.
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Agassi, and our own romanian Nastase, were two of the most gifted tennis players ever ... and Federer.
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