Andre Agassi - bench press claims...

[Cleanest Natural]

Galeniko brought up interesting topic, that is - tennis is the sport for the elite. For example Radwanska sisters come from rich, aristocratic polish family. They sold their paintings to finance their training. They were lucky, but bear in mind what would happen if they didn't succeed. This amount of pressure put on a teen is not healthy either. They knew since they were kids that their father invests every bit of money in them and if they didn't return any profits whole family would go bankrupt.

not always .. if you are talented, you will be spotted and pushed forward and helped financially .. when someone is really good from an early age people will take notice. For example, Rafter was a nobody until 24 I believe .. then he woke up.

[Conker]

lost the password to that account so I have to recover them from an old computer if they are still there .. I am amused how you keep saying "claimed" .. the whole board saw the videos bench 315X10, 405X3, squat 405X10, 500X3 and 540lbs X 1.. I also jumped over a 5' rope etc .. I am well over my "feats" and just find them amusing ..maybe to you they are impressive but compared to others they are not that impressive.

am only saying "claimed" as i haven't seen them and from reading the old threads it seems quite a few that had seen them weren't exactly convinced of the legitimacy....

i know it is not superhuman "feats" lol but still impressive for your size. props if legit

[Cleanest Natural]

am only saying "claimed" as i haven't seen them and from reading the old threads it seems quite a few that had seen them weren't exactly convinced of the legitimacy....

i know it is not superhuman "feats" lol but still impressive for your size. props if legit

yes .. I had some fake plates made especially so I could brag about it on youtube.

Does it occur to you that there are people out there vastly stronger and much more athletic or genetically gifted than you? Serious question ..

[galeniko]

Galeniko brought up interesting topic, that is - tennis is the sport for the elite. For example Radwanska sisters come from rich, aristocratic polish family. They sold their paintings to finance their training. They were lucky, but bear in mind what would happen if they didn't succeed. This amount of pressure put on a teen is not healthy either. They knew since they were kids that their father invests every bit of money in them and if they didn't return any profits whole family would go bankrupt.

yes its very often storys like this, rich already before or very high middle class who risked it all.

then theres few who are pushed b y academies.

but why they not pushed often is, talent is 1 thing,theres many talents out there, but absolute willpower comes only when its own moneys, and no xtasy parties on weekends and such.

the ones we see on tv werent the biggest talents when young,its the ones who held through.

[CalvinH]

Agree. Its like a golf swing.  Way more technique invloved instead of just size of the player. 

Yup...that's why my cousin who's never touched a weight in his life can out drive me consistently.



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[The Grim Lifter]

These fucks will say anything to sell a book

[Conker]

yes .. I had some fake plates made especially so I could brag about it on youtube.

Does it occur to you that there are people out there vastly stronger and much more athletic or genetically gifted than you? Serious question ..

No need to shoot the messenger , it's not me that said your lifting vids were fake, i'm just reporting what a lot of guys were saying on the old threads, as i'm sure you're aware as you took part in them! i think the main question was whether the plates were 45s or not(?)

i have no idea why so many doubted you, maybe your reputation precedes you or you just give off a shady vibe or something.

and seeing as i doubt i am any stronger than average for my weight and time training and would not consider myself to be in any way "genetically gifted" , yes i am very aware that there are probably zillions stronger and more gifted etc than me.

TBH from your pics you don't strike me as really being " genetically gifted" yourself either , just look like a pretty unremarkable skinny dude. that could be another reason why so many doubted your vids.
just because you were good at tennis doesn't really mean shit in terms of you being anything special athletically.

[Cleanest Natural]

No need to shoot the messenger , it's not me that said your lifting vids were fake, i'm just reporting what a lot of guys were saying on the old threads, as i'm sure you're aware as you took part in them! i think the main question was whether the plates were 45s or not(?)

i have no idea why so many doubted you, maybe your reputation precedes you or you just give off a shady vibe or something.

and seeing as i doubt i am any stronger than average for my weight and time training and would not consider myself to be in any way "genetically gifted" , yes i am very aware that there are probably zillions stronger and more gifted etc than me.

TBH from your pics you don't strike me as really being " genetically gifted" yourself either , just look like a pretty unremarkable skinny dude. that could be another reason why so many doubted your vids.
just because you were good at tennis doesn't really mean shit in terms of you being anything special athletically.

Ok "Conker" .. I see the blind became quite the art expert 

[Conker]

Ok "Conker" .. I see the blind became quite the art expert  

just stating the obvious. don't think an expert is needed for that.

anyways props again if legit, don't really know why you're so defensive, only wanted to applaud you for the vids if i could have seen them.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

350-365 for reps is really where the separation starts. A natural doing 315 for reps (although no small feat depending on bodyweight) really isn't any kind of benchmark. And although you only ever see a few people in your gym doing 315 for reps, it should be looked at as anything other than "not bad"...

[Coach is Back!]

Too many people on here equating size with strength.

[The Showstoppa]

Too many people on here equating size with strength.

And too many equating being great in a sport with being strong. 

[Mr Nobody]

He used to have alot of long hair what happened?

[galeniko]

350-365 for reps is really where the separation starts. A natural doing 315 for reps (although no small feat depending on bodyweight) really isn't any kind of benchmark. And although you only ever see a few people in your gym doing 315 for reps, it should be looked at as anything other than "not bad"...

i never seen these naturals benching that.

very reare and then theyd be very fat.

315 for clean slow full rom reps is enough to build heavyweight competitor phyqisue, with plenty drugs ofc,

nah i dont see naturals doing this.
well,i dont see many naturals period,eevryone on something.

me now natty, i dont even come close

[The Showstoppa]

He used to have alot of long hair what happened?

He lost a hair vs hair match to Jimmy Valiant.

[Beefjake]

On backround and pressure:

I've understood that father Williams teached his girls to play on his own.
Never really studied it. Did they go to one of these tennis academies or do
colleges have tennis programs and scholarships for it?
I mean that he was their coach at the start but after that, pros took over?
Anyway, didn't Williams's have a poor backround?

One of the most striking points in Agassis book is the pressure his dad put on him.
Barely teen, he made Andre play for all family savings against proven adult non-pro.
And like he says, he didn't even want to play in the first place. Later, after he basically
quit, made a strong second half of a career because he wanted to.

[The Showstoppa]

On backround and pressure:

I've understood that father Williams teached his girls to play on his own.
Never really studied it. Did they go to one of these tennis academies or do
colleges have tennis programs and scholarships for it?
I mean that he was their coach at the start but after that, pros took over?
Anyway, didn't Williams's have a poor backround?

One of the most striking points in Agassis book is the pressure his dad put on him.
Barely teen, he made Andre play for all family savings against proven adult non-pro.
And like he says, he didn't even want to play in the first place. Later, after he basically
quit, made a strong second half of a career because he wanted to.

Poor Andre.  Pushed into playing a sport to make millions and marry a superhot wife.  Oh the humanity!

[deceiver]

I have seen many naturals doing 135kg for reps. My friend is a lifetime natty, his max benchpress is 160kg and he is not fat. You guys just haven't seen naturally blessed athletes, that's all. Most guys that train in the gym are like me, they started training because they were fat or skinny and never lifted weights in their life. You would be astonished by what can be achieved naturally when someone built a solid foundation in other sports over the years.

You cannot say what "can be done" based upon what mediocre gymrat can do because mediocre gymrat is at the bottom of the genetic pool. In high school there were two guys that could bench press 80-90kg in my class that never lifted any weights in their life, both lean and around 80kg bodyweight.

[arce1988]

315 is not really that easy for a TRUE LIFE TIME NATURAL

[deceiver]

It depends. I had to work hard for it and take steroids but then again I weighted around 80kg at that time. For some 140kg naturally is a fucking joke.

Cmon, I could read, write and calculate when I was 5, always had straight A and no one of my colleagues believed me I don't study at home. That's the same shit, despite what liberal propaganda tells you:

PEOPLE ARE NOT EQUAL.

[Mr Nobody]

I dont give a piss about him.

[anabolichalo]

my all time best lifetime natural bench press

was a single rep with 135kg with perfect form and pause on chest

[The Showstoppa]

I have seen many naturals doing 135kg for reps. My friend is a lifetime natty, his max benchpress is 160kg and he is not fat. You guys just haven't seen naturally blessed athletes, that's all. Most guys that train in the gym are like me, they started training because they were fat or skinny and never lifted weights in their life. You would be astonished by what can be achieved naturally when someone built a solid foundation in other sports over the years.

You cannot say what "can be done" based upon what mediocre gymrat can do because mediocre gymrat is at the bottom of the genetic pool. In high school there were two guys that could bench press 80-90kg in my class that never lifted any weights in their life, both lean and around 80kg bodyweight.

 

[Man of Steel]

Twice his bodyweight for reps for 5-7 sets....300+lbs.......sorry, not seein it.  Is it possible?  Absolutely.  Do I buy it?  No.

[The Showstoppa]

Twice his bodyweight for reps for 5-7 sets....300+lbs.......sorry, not seein it.

Exactly.  I've been saying the same thing throughout the thread.  Yet someone has to chime in that we just dont know elite athletes. I guess by their estimation everbody who plays a pro sport is a monster in the gym.

Fact is the majority of "skill" arhletes I have lifted around were underwhelming on raw lifts. Which is understandable since they are mire interested in mastering the skills if their sport.