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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/03/health/suicide-rate-rises-sharply-in-us.html?_r=2&
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/03/health/suicide-rate-rises-sharply-in-us.html?_r=2&
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Wonder if there is one main contributing factor or just a combination of things making people stretch their necks?
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Wonder if there is one main contributing factor or just a combination of things making people stretch their necks?
It's mainly men. Society views men as disposable and valueless. From the time a child is born, if it is male, it is held less, touched less, ignored more and punished more than a female child. This cycle grows exponentially throughout a mans life. Some men just reach their limit after a lifetime of being considered a worthless and pathetic loser by modern feminist society.
Of course the feminazis blame it on mens skewed idea of masculinity.
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It's the lack of faith, when material things become God to people they don't believe they can ever achieve happiness.
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Obamas fault.
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It's the lack of faith, when material things become God to people they don't believe they can ever achieve happiness.
You do realise the majority of the worlds population has some sort of faith and therefore the majority of the worlds suicides will be by people of faith. My first experience with suicide was my best friend growing up attempted to kill himself literally because his parents forced their faith down his throat. He hated religion, it literally drove him to try and kill himself.
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It's mainly men. Society views men as disposable and valueless. From the time a child is born, if it is male, it is held less, touched less, ignored more and punished more than a female child. This cycle grows exponentially throughout a mans life. Some men just reach their limit after a lifetime of being considered a worthless and pathetic loser by modern feminist society.
Of course the feminazis blame it on mens skewed idea of masculinity.
Yeah it is normally men although I have never stopped to wonder why. Do you think this trend will continue or do you see some sort of awakening on the horizon?
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Obamas fault.
Hi Soul Cunter/Crotch
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You do realise the majority of the worlds population has some sort of faith and therefore the majority of the worlds suicides will be by people of faith. My first experience with suicide was my best friend growing up attempted to kill himself literally because his parents forced their faith down his throat. He hated religion, it literally drove him to try and kill himself.
You are making an assumption that the suicide rate among those with religious faith is equal to those who dont have faith. I doubt that is accurate. Regardless, its sad what happened with your friends, but I would say it was more to do with lousy parents than any faith they purported to have.
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Suicide is highest this time of the year for obvious reasons.
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Suicide is highest this time of the year for obvious reasons.
No major bodybuilding shows?
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Suicide is highest this time of the year for obvious reasons.
We should blame Jesus for this, not Obama.
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We should blame Jesus for this, not Obama.
Its pretty sad
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Its pretty sad
It is..
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You are making an assumption that the suicide rate among those with religious faith is equal to those who dont have faith. I doubt that is accurate. Regardless, its sad what happened with your friends, but I would say it was more to do with lousy parents than any faith they purported to have.
All parents who force religion on their children are lousy parents. And atheists and non-religious people make up about 11% of the worlds population, the rest are god botherers or have some sort of faith. I think it highly unlikely that majority of suicides are to found in only 11% of the population.
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All parents who force religion on their children are lousy parents. And atheists and non-religious people make up about 11% of the worlds population, the rest are god botherers, I think it highly unlikely that majority of suicides are to found in only 11% of the population.
I've known a few suicides, and none of them were religious. I think you talk a lot of BS.
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It's the lack of faith, when material things become God to people they don't believe they can ever achieve happiness.
True, but look at how many of them grow up. A lot of gen X and Y grew up with folks that didn't instill in their children to have backbones...holding their hand all the time and not allowing them to take responsibility for their actions...and also to be selfish. If a girl breaks up with a dude---she left him...he is thinking about himself, and then he cannot go on. You got grown men to threaten to commit suicide if their girlfriend leaves them...
You have people who just can't deal with life and life problems, so they take themselves out---whether it be by drugs, booze, or other means.
All these little things are cracks in our "Great Society"...
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I've known a few suicides, and none of them were religious. I think you talk a lot of BS.
Religious people have notoriously covered up suicides, as it is considered a sin and brings shame on the family. Let's take America for example, that has a predominant Religious population, let's say 80% believe in GOD, just to be conservative.. DO you really think that all the suicides are by the atheist minority. Such a statistical anomaly would have been noticed long ago.
And I would argue the reason religious people or people of faith kill themselves far more often than people of no faith is because religion gives people false hope and encourages them to believe untruths, it takes an enormous amount of effort to maintain faith and religious untruths when overwhelming evidence to the contrary is thrown at you from every direction, something has to give. The fact they turn to faith in the first place is an indication of their fragility and inability to accept life on it's own terms.
Atheists on the other hand have a more realistic perspective, they comprise a stronger constitution that isn't propped up by religious propaganda and nonsense to comfort them, they realise there is just one go at this, they don't create false heavens to comfort them in this life, they simply make the best of the one and only life they will ever have.
The fact is Religious Nutters like to blame everything on some false belief that faith is disappearing, the fact is atheists and people of no faith have always been a tiny minority. The majority of the world are religious or faith based of some sort and judging by the constant state of tyranny and warfare humanity has constantly been involved in, it comes as no surprise the majority are and have always been religious. I hate to break it to you, but lack of faith isn't the problem, but faith is and always has been. Faith prevents people from utilising logic and reasoning, and any world where the majority of people abandon reasoning and logic is well, pretty much like the fucked up world you see before you.
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You are making an assumption that the suicide rate among those with religious faith is equal to those who dont have faith. I doubt that is accurate. Regardless, its sad what happened with your friends, but I would say it was more to do with lousy parents than any faith they purported to have.
and you are making an assumption that it's not - where is the difference?
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You do realise the majority of the worlds population has some sort of faith and therefore the majority of the worlds suicides will be by people of faith. My first experience with suicide was my best friend growing up attempted to kill himself literally because his parents forced their faith down his throat. He hated religion, it literally drove him to try and kill himself.
I believe your friend was either weak or trying to gain attention or that there is something you are not revealing....is it because they wanted him to go to church with them on Sunday? Well, if was a kid and under their roof, then he is going when they say he goes...he has no choice in the matter. Once you are an adult and out of the house. Do what you want...
And you said that he wasn't religious and attempted suicide, so doesn't that go against your point?
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I believe your friend was either weak or trying to gain attention or that there is something you are not revealing....is it because they wanted him to go to church with them on Sunday? Well, if was a kid and under their roof, then he is going when they say he goes...he has no choice in the matter. Once you are an adult and out of the house. Do what you want...
And you said that he wasn't religious and attempted suicide, so doesn't that go against your point?
He was sixteen at the time, and it wasn't his anti-religious stance that caused him to want to kill himself, he was being held hostage by some religious nutjobs. He was simply able to work out early on religious indoctrination was child abuse, and by the time he was a teen he had enough. He left home shortly after that, became a qualified electrician, made some good money, started a family and as far as I know he is doing good, but he now has nothing to do with his religious nutjob family. I have a healthy sense of self preservation, yet force me to co-cohabitate with some religious zealots and I don't know how long it would be before hellfire and brimstone looked the more attractive option.
I am grateful to my parents I escaped a mind numbing, mind limiting, brain cell destroying religious indoctrinated childhood.
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It is because of "no standards" that the west is collapsing. No moral standards.
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It is because of "no standards" that the west is collapsing. No moral standards.
So if the vast majority of society are religious and society has no moral standards, what does that say about religion? Kind of seems religion leads people to have no moral standards.
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So if the vast majority of society are religious and society has no moral standards, what does that say about religion? Kind of seems religion leads people to have no moral standards.
What are you smokin dude? The vast majority of people in the USA are not religious at all. Just look at the posters on this board. We are a society of hedonists.
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What are you smokin dude? The vast majority of people in the USA are not religious at all. Just look at the posters on this board. We are a society of hedonists.
I think you might find that Getbig probably isn't a large enough sample size to accurately asses the Religious affiliation of a large first world country. Most studies suggest 70%-80% of the US population identifies as Christian. I think you will be hard pressed to find anyone who would label the US as godless or an atheist country.
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What are you smokin dude? The vast majority of people in the USA are not religious at all. Just look at the posters on this board. We are a society of hedonists.
Religious people are notorious for being hypocrites, that's why you are a nation of hedonists. Also a nation of warmongers, thieves and adulterers, usually committed by someone of faith. Just look at the Catholic Church, hoarders of wealth and finery. One of the richest organisations in the world and yet they preach modesty and frugality and to shun wealth. Religion is poison, always has been, always will be.
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These findings are good news. This means that cars are finally getting safer. :D
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and you are making an assumption that it's not - where is the difference?
Mine is based in scientific fact.
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/Mobile/article.aspx?articleID=177228
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Mine is based in scientific fact.
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/Mobile/article.aspx?articleID=177228
Oh Brother, only the religious Nutters would conduct such a study to be used as propaganda for religion. What does this study prove, how repressed, hypocritical and full of lies religious people are. Not only that, this was not a sample of the population at large. The starting group is a small sub set of very depressed people. Additionally, this is not a blind study (forget double blind).
I also could not find in the study how they decided who did or did not have a “religious affiliation”. The study itself admits as much, "This study has some limitations. For example, it did not assess religious upbringing, religious practice, or the level of personal devotion. You think it would be worthwhile when trying to determine if someone is an atheist or not whether they follow any religious practise or personal worship of a deity don't you think. The study did also acknowledge that religious people were likely to under-report suicidal ideations due to the religous taboo on the matter, in other words religious people will lie when it suits them. And after all the studies semantic bullshit and vague innuendo, what did they discover, that hopelessness and depression scores were similar in the religious and nonreligious group. What a surprise, a bunch of clinically depressed individuals all score similarly when quizzed on their levels hopelessness and depression <--- Their all clinically depressed you morons
And of course if you ask a religious person about suicidal ideation they will lie knowing suicide is a sin or they may not even be consciously aware of such ideations, as their religious indoctrination has drummed it into them how much of a sin it is and any such thoughts get stored out of conscious awareness. The study was also based on self reporting, and we all know what chronic liars religious people are when admitting to being sinners.
I literally vomited reading that study, it literally is a blatant attempt to promote religion, it has zero to do with any facts based on reality. This is so typical of what religious people do, they make stuff up and then they find devious ways to add credibility to their nonsense. The whole study was like, it is commonly accepted that religious people are less aggressive, and yes, that's what we determined also, it is commonly believed that atheists are the devil in disguise, and that's what our study concluded also.
The study is just littered with logical fallacies just as religion is. This is the problem such studies are being done by deluded and incredibly biased individuals with a vested interest in the outcome. The people who produced this study could just as easily present a study claiming that God did actually create the Universe in a week. Anybody who can't see through this study is likely to be religious.
And none of this study actually researches the religious affiliation of those who have successfully committed suicide, only the supposed religious affiliation of clinically depressed people who may or may not have had suicidal thoughts or attempts.
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Atheists More Motivated by Compassion than the Faithful new study finds
http://www.livescience.com/20005-atheists-motivated-compassion.html (http://www.livescience.com/20005-atheists-motivated-compassion.html)
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BAN SUICIDE !
That will just increase the demand...
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Atheists More Motivated by Compassion than the Faithful new study finds
http://www.livescience.com/20005-atheists-motivated-compassion.html (http://www.livescience.com/20005-atheists-motivated-compassion.html)
Uh oh, Say it ain`t so...
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It is because of "no standards" that the west is collapsing. No moral standards.
With cultural Marxism expanding across the globe, the numbers are only going to rise...
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Oh Brother, only the religious Nutters would conduct such a study to be used as propaganda for religion. What does this study prove, how repressed, hypocritical and full of lies religious people are. Not only that, this was not a sample of the population at large. The starting group is a small sub set of very depressed people. Additionally, this is not a blind study (forget double blind).
I also could not find in the study how they decided who did or did not have a “religious affiliation”. The study itself admits as much, "This study has some limitations. For example, it did not assess religious upbringing, religious practice, or the level of personal devotion. You think it would be worthwhile when trying to determine if someone is an atheist or not whether they follow any religious practise or personal worship of a deity don't you think. The study did also acknowledge that religious people were likely to under-report suicidal ideations due to the religous taboo on the matter, in other words religious people will lie when it suits them. And after all the studies semantic bullshit and vague innuendo, what did they discover, that hopelessness and depression scores were similar in the religious and nonreligious group. What a surprise, a bunch of clinically depressed individuals all score similarly when quizzed on their levels hopelessness and depression <--- Their all clinically depressed you morons
And of course if you ask a religious person about suicidal ideation they will lie knowing suicide is a sin or they may not even be consciously aware of such ideations, as their religious indoctrination has drummed it into them how much of a sin it is and any such thoughts get stored out of conscious awareness. The study was also based on self reporting, and we all know what chronic liars religious people are when admitting to being sinners.
I literally vomited reading that study, it literally is a blatant attempt to promote religion, it has zero to do with any facts based on reality. This is so typical of what religious people do, they make stuff up and then they find devious ways to add credibility to their nonsense. The whole study was like, it is commonly accepted that religious people are less aggressive, and yes, that's what we determined also, it is commonly believed that atheists are the devil in disguise, and that's what our study concluded also.
The study is just littered with logical fallacies just as religion is. This is the problem such studies are being done by deluded and incredibly biased individuals with a vested interest in the outcome. The people who produced this study could just as easily present a study claiming that God did actually create the Universe in a week. Anybody who can't see through this study is likely to be religious.
And none of this study actually researches the religious affiliation of those who have successfully committed suicide, only the supposed religious affiliation of clinically depressed people who may or may not have had suicidal thoughts or attempts.
Yeah, I'll take ole E-Kul's word over an actual peer reviewed published research paper in the American Journal of Psychiatry. I'm sure all those PhD's just want to promote religion. ::)
You can blather on for 18 paragraphs if you want but I provided scientific research to back-up my contention from a VERY well respected source. Unless you can do the same, dont bother responding. Your argument is purely emotional and reeks of a guy with an ax to grind against religion. Simple as that.
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Highest number of suicides, number 1 country in the drug abuse.
Hmmmmmmmmm... if life is so good in Murica... why so many suicides and why so drug addicts?
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Highest number of suicides, number 1 country in the drug abuse.
Hmmmmmmmmm... if life is so good in Murica... why so many suicides and why so drug addicts?
Because we can actually afford drugs and we have the steel balls to finish what we start with suicide. Whatever 3rd rate dump you are from is so irrelevant that nobody bothers to keep statistics on it.
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Because Obama is doing his best to destroy America.
You better believe if Bush was still president the Liberal pussies in the media would be throwing this stat up on the evening news every night and trying to blame Bush for it.
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Stop acting so butthurt. ::) You are not helping whatever beliefs you are trying to promote by being so bitter.
You judge an ideology, any ideology, by its PRINCIPLES, not its adherents.
The whole religious debate started because some religious moron attributed the skyrocketing suicide rate to religion, as if religion is some force for good.
And you don't judge an ideology on it's principles, but how well it lives up to them. Nobody cares about what religious people hope to do, it's what they have done that matters. And religion has wreaked some pretty serious havoc across humanity, and no amount of principles is going to change that.
And have you not seen some of the principles of religion, I do judge it on it's perverse principles. Religion has perverse commandments like 'Honor thy Mother and father' backed up by the biblical endorsements to beat children with rods and any manner of perverse child rearing practices which has led to serious dysfunction in societies worldwide. Abused children are expected to be grateful to the adults they depend on for abusing them. A more perverse principle you won't find. Then there's the bizarre principle condemning thought crimes such as 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.' when coveting something someone else has got is a primary motivator to find ways to achieve similar outcomes for oneself. To dictate that one cannot even think of something is a totalitarian ideal.
And what about the verses of the Bible that actually recommend enslavement, mutilation, stoning, and mass murder of civilians? And there are many more than 10 commandments in the Old Testament, and I live for the day when Americans are obliged to observe all of them, including the ox-goring and witch-burning ones
And it makes you wonder about a god that creates you sick (a sinner) and then commands you to be well with threat of eternal damnation if you don't. Such a god is beyond sick, I mean you have to wonder what evil is like if this is truly what GOD is all about.
You would think that any principles worth their salt would condemn child fucking, genocide, war, rape, slavery, gender inequality etc etc.. but strangely the bible, the basis of religion doesn't mention anything about that.
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Because Obama is doing his best to destroy America.
You better believe if Bush was still president the Liberal pussies in the media would be throwing this stat up on the evening news every night and trying to blame Bush for it.
Andolutely. Did you see the latest poll on Obamacare? Lol.
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Highest number of suicides, number 1 country in the drug abuse.
Hmmmmmmmmm... if life is so good in Murica... why so many suicides and why so drug addicts?
Kind of odd that, because America is considered a religious country, and supposedly religious people don't kill themselves, it's all atheists.
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Andolutely. Did you see the latest poll on Obamacare? Lol.
I didn't, but I did see he has the lowest Presidential approval rating since Nixon in the midst of Watergate.
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I didn't, but I did see he has the lowest Presidential approval rating since Nixon in the midst of Watergate.
The "support" for it has dwindled dramatically.
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Because we can actually afford drugs and we have the steel balls to finish what we start with suicide. Whatever 3rd rate dump you are from is so irrelevant that nobody bothers to keep statistics on it.
No bad.. huh?
Funny thing is, you will only have such view by taking drugs. lol
Gracie on the other hand....
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He was sixteen at the time, and it wasn't his anti-religious stance that caused him to want to kill himself, he was being held hostage by some religious nutjobs. He was simply able to work out early on religious indoctrination was child abuse, and by the time he was a teen he had enough. He left home shortly after that, became a qualified electrician, made some good money, started a family and as far as I know he is doing good, but he now has nothing to do with his religious nutjob family. I have a healthy sense of self preservation, yet force me to co-cohabitate with some religious zealots and I don't know how long it would be before hellfire and brimstone looked the more attractive option.
I am grateful to my parents I escaped a mind numbing, mind limiting, brain cell destroying religious indoctrinated childhood.
I believe you have a skewed view of reality...
That so called religious indoctrination is "child abuse"...you've said this a lot.
So going to church is child abuse, or having a child learn scriptures. And being held hostage? Come on, you use these extreme terms...it's either the extremes with you. No middle ground.
If a teen is living at home, and his folks are religious, and he is rebellious, one may find themselves to at odds with their folks convictions.
Now, were the cops called? And if they were what did he say to them? That he was forced to pray? To respect father and mother? What was the so called child abuse?
Unless they were being physically abusive to him---leaving marks, I see no child abuse.
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With cultural Marxism expanding across the globe, the numbers are only going to rise...
cultural Marxism. What are you talking about?
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Kind of odd that, because America is considered a religious country, and supposedly religious people don't kill themselves, it's all atheists.
In name only...maybe "religious freedom" but that is quickly being a misnomer now. The only constant religions in America are "I-can-do-what-I-wantism", "Greed", "Narcissism", and "I am Offendedism".
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the socalled marxism is a historical reply to the feudal times, kinda.
best to have bit social security and unions, if not, many would find themselves cotton picking again :D
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In name only...maybe "religious freedom" but that is quickly being a misnomer now. The only constant religions in America are "I-can-do-what-I-wantism", "Greed", "Narcissism", and "I am Offendedism".
Good point Parker, sad but true. Interesting how this could happen when the majority of Americans claim to be Christians.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/03/health/suicide-rate-rises-sharply-in-us.html?_r=2&
a few bbing suicides.strange 3 out of 4 were aau mr americas and sipes was ifbb mr a.
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Meeko has some crazy killer eyes :o
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The reaper is out there.
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You do realise the majority of the worlds population has some sort of faith and therefore the majority of the worlds suicides will be by people of faith. My first experience with suicide was my best friend growing up attempted to kill himself literally because his parents forced their faith down his throat. He hated religion, it literally drove him to try and kill himself.
E-Kul, if that were true, secular nations would have a very low suicide rate. However, the fact is that the more secular a nation, the higher the suicide rate. I am not saying it has anything to do with their lack of faith. I am simply stating the facts.
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the socalled marxism is a historical reply to the feudal times, kinda.
best to have bit social security and unions, if not, many would find themselves cotton picking again :D
Gal, I'm not sure I follow your argument here.
A historical reply to the feudal times. What do you mean by this?
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It's mainly men. Society views men as disposable, and valueless. From the time a child is born, if it is male, it is held less, touched less, ignored more, and punished more than a female child. This cycle grows exponentially throughout a mans life. Some men just reach their limit after a lifetime of being considered a worthless and pathetic loser by modern feminist society.
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Good point Parker, sad but true. Interesting how this could happen when the majority of Americans claim to be Christians.
that is the problem, "Claim to be Christian"...the American way is to wear your beliefs on your sleeve, but not to practice them. Watch the man who "claims to be Christian" looking for a parking space during this holiday season...look at the woman who "claims to be Christian" having her affair while said husband is out shopping, ironically acting out as he is looking for a parking space.
We have become a nation of hypocrites who love nothing best than the root for the downfall of others or instill jealousy in others---oh and to be nice only around this time of the year.
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that is the problem, "Claim to be Christian"...the American way is to wear your beliefs on your sleeve, but not to practice them.
Watch the man who "claims to be Christian" looking for a parking space during this holiday season...look at the woman who "claims to be Christian" having her affair while said husband is out shopping, ironically acting out as he is looking for a parking space.
We have become a nation of hypocrites who love nothing best than the root for the downfall of others or instill jealousy in others---oh and to be nice only around this time of the year.
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The Banks have destroyed the value of the people's currency through inflation and debt monetization. They scoop off more and more of the productive value of society's output and produce no "real" wealth on their own. If a man can no longer own the fruits of his labor and if that labor isn't enough to cover his cost of living the consequences are debt, bankruptcy, relationship problems, divorces, suicide.
Revolutions may drape themselves in great ideas and political rhetoric but the truth is most revolutions occur because people can't afford a loaf of bread.
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lots of bros enjoying arguing common knowledge in this thread
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Meeko has some crazy killer eyes :o
his favorite pose he was devastitated when it was outlawed.