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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: dyslexic on December 25, 2013, 12:16:09 PM
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Look at the distended belly. It's not fat. Look at the extended elbow... where is the Tricep? Classic Palumboism... but not as bad as guys like Kovacs, Palumbo and many others. Distended Belly, extended limbs and hands, feet and who knows what else?
All GH and heavy training... thoughts? Fuck me? STFU?
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frend has seen him in person face to face 2 weeks ago in spain.
said hes still jacked as hell when he stnd before you, very very lean, and yes, bit of a belly.
summe dup he looks very good still.o real paluboism.
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All credibility is lost at the 13th minute. That is where the lies about his drug use are discussed. Too bad.
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Dorian is a smart guy. He retired in time. Compare him to his successor (Ronnie) now.
Distended belly (because of slin abuse) can't be entirely fixed afterwards, but limited to a minimum.
Juicing 1g together with some quality gh allows a guy like this to stay impressive in most people's eyes.
He ain't weighing 300lb, not even 240lb anymore. Smart boy.
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All credibility is lost at the 13th minute. That is where the lies about his drug use are discussed. Too bad.
Let's see: No drugs untill 8 weeks before the show and then 1 primobolin shot a week and 2 anavar tablets a day. What an amazing response he has...and I thought my cycles were mild. ::)
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Look at the distended belly. It's not fat. Look at the extended elbow... where is the Tricep? Classic Palumboism... but not as bad as guys like Kovacs, Palumbo and many others. Distended Belly, extended limbs and hands, feet and who knows what else?
All GH and heavy training... thoughts? Fuck me? STFU?
his resting heart rate is quite high. Not healthy. :-\
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Look at the distended belly. It's not fat. Look at the extended elbow... where is the Tricep? Classic Palumboism... but not as bad as guys like Kovacs, Palumbo and many others. Distended Belly, extended limbs and hands, feet and who knows what else?
All GH and heavy training... thoughts? Fuck me? STFU?
No he didn't take a look at hist last 2 mr.O
horrible
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Let's see: No drugs untill 8 weeks before the show and then 1 primobolin shot a week and 2 anavar tablets a day. What an amazing response he has...and I thought my cycles were mild. ::)
you gotta think about the consequences... if he reveals in am interview his real stack, every idiot impressionable kid in the world is going to go out and jump on his O stack and promptly drop dead.
his words have consequences. Hes being smart, even though its obviously BS.
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dorian acting like a bastard again
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I would do the translator chick. Not bad.
And she has a great memory.
how so?
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There were many cycles from the before pic to the after pic.
(https://inspirationalphysiques.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/asas.jpg?w=614)
When talking about drugs, experienced users know what works and don't need Dorian's drug advice. Therefor he knows the only people that would actually do a stack he mentions would be a kid looking like the before picture. In which case I don't find it too hard to believe the before pic was natural, and the Primo+var stack precontest will bring you in looking something like this:
(http://athlete.ru/fotos/profi/dorian/dorian_yates_205_young_3.jpg)
Could easily be telling the truth for his first few novice shows, he never said that was his Olympia caliber stack.
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i laugh when ppl think the "before" pic is natural^^^^^^
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i laugh when ppl think the "before" pic is natural^^^^^^
If you don't think a person with awesome genetics like Dorian can look like this natty you need to wake up. I have seen many high school athletes looking like this eating like shit and just playing football etc...And let's not even get started on negro genetics...Genetics of peace.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=43403.0;attach=45518;image)
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no YOU should wake up moron
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no YOU should wake up moron
Dude you have horrible short, pale, pasty white boy genetics and need tons of gear to achieve pallid stringy 16" arms, mind you no back, no legs, no traps, no nothing else.
You are no one to be talking about genetics other than what bad genetics look like. You are 5'6 130lbs on gear man lol. Horrible.
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Dude you have horrible short, pale, pasty white boy genetics and need tons of gear to achieve pallid stringy 16" arms, mind you no back, no legs, no traps, no nothing else.
You are no one to be talking about genetics other than what bad genetics look like. You are 5'6 130lbs on gear man lol. Horrible.
hahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahha
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hahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahha
Yes? the pale stringy 16" arms of a midget.
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Anabolichao is right.
What you have to look at in the pic of young Dorian is not the size or the leanness. It's the specific look of the muscles, the pop, the veins, the skin. That is not a highschool athlete look.
But if you don't know shit about bodybuilding, you obviously don't see it.
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Anabolichao is right.
What you have to look at in the pic of young Dorian is not the size or the leanness. It's the specific look of the muscles, the pop, the veins, the skin. That is not a highschool athlete look.
But if you don't know shit about bodybuilding, you obviously don't see it.
You do realize the kid is on tons of gear to look like this:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=510680.0;attach=545712;image)
Lol look how much "pop" he has. Be aware that Halo is a troll, and no one to be siding with on these boards.
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You do realize the kid is on tons of gear to look like this:
Lol look how much "pop" he has. Be aware that Halo is a troll, and no one to be siding with on these boards.
He's not on "tons" of gear and looks pretty good, all things considered....If you think your physique is so much better feel free to post a pic of yourself, champ.
ANYWAYS, you're the one who thinks Dorian competed as a heavyweight on 200mg of gear. Perhaps u are the troll :o
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i laugh when ppl think the "before" pic is natural^^^^^^
before pic is also not natural but it doesnt scream drugs... u know what im sayin?
i could believe him about his cycle but not 8 weeks before the competition it may be his first cycle and he grew like a weed and added to it slowly... but nowadays u see guys startin their first cycles with huge dosages and 2-3 different drugs at minimum.. nowadays people think its all gear they are like bostin lloyd but they dont have the balls to take as much gear as him bostin is retarded he doesnt care about his life anymore
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before pic is also not natural but it doesnt scream drugs... u know what im sayin?
Of course, that's why naive fools always point to it as "See? He looked good without any roids, must be a genetic marvel"
Dorian pushed the envelope like no other bodybuilder before him, coming in BIG and shredded....plenty of his contemporaries were considerably more gifted than him--Sean Ray, Levrone, Chris Cormier, Flex Wheeler--but nobody matched his size & conditioning, because they didn't use as many drugs.
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You do realize the kid is on tons of gear to look like this:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=510680.0;attach=545712;image)
Lol look how much "pop" he has. Be aware that Halo is a troll, and no one to be siding with on these boards.
All I see is a guy who has a good natural foundation but who is not on the right gear now. Much room for improvement if juicing right.
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He's not on "tons" of gear and looks pretty good, all things considered....If you think your physique is so much better feel free to post a pic of yourself, champ.
ANYWAYS, you're the one who thinks Dorian competed as a heavyweight on 200mg of gear. Perhaps u are the troll :o
"I think" ? I said he could be telling the truth and in fact could have looked good on that stack...5'11 as a heavy is very easy.
Mind you we are talking about Dorian in the 80's here. He was getting legit pharma Primobolan and Anavar, if you can even manage to get a real supply of those drugs you'd know you don't need much to blow up. Compared to underground lab cheap Chinese bullshit.
That being said;
He said a shot of legit pharma Primo so 300mg's a week and 140mg's of legit var a week...Sounds a lot like the stacks the oldschool guys like dave draper etc. were taking.
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Seriously I mean I'm talking bodybuilding with a bunch of idiots that think THIS:
(http://www.jimwendler.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/dorian-yates-bodybuilder.jpg)
Can't be achieved naturally! LOL I honestly don't even know what to make of this...You people actually think this looks good, enough so to acuse someone looking like this of taking steroids...LOL clueless kids.
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Look at the distended belly. It's not fat. Look at the extended elbow... where is the Tricep? Classic Palumboism... but not as bad as guys like Kovacs, Palumbo and many others. Distended Belly, extended limbs and hands, feet and who knows what else?
All GH and heavy training... thoughts? Fuck me? STFU?
Does the Russian brunette know how to smile, or is that how all Eastern European women are?
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how so?
Think about it for a minute. He talks and talks and talks and she's listens and THEN she translates everything he just said. That takes having a good memory (and the ability to concentrate and pay attention).
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Of course, that's why naive fools always point to it as "See? He looked good without any roids, must be a genetic marvel"
Dorian pushed the envelope like no other bodybuilder before him, coming in BIG and shredded....plenty of his contemporaries were considerably more gifted than him--Sean Ray, Levrone, Chris Cormier, Flex Wheeler--but nobody matched his size & conditioning, because they didn't use as many drugs.
lol
listen to get 250-260lbs contest shape yeah u may need to abuse if u really had no base to start with but if u had a good base naturally than u can build a good physique by using "just a little".. and later on u add to it to get bigger and bigger u add more.. thats how real bodybuilding was back then but nowadays u dont get to the olympia stage by doing that... u need to start abusing from early age.. dorian may not have had the genetics of a wheeler but he had decent genetics...
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hahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahha
Those arms are between 15" and 16" and in your mind look good because they have some veins running through them. First of all, you NEED to get some sun. You being pale is the understatement of the year.
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Those arms are between 15" and 16" and in your mind look good because they have some veins running through them. First of all, you NEED to get some sun. You being pale is the understatement of the year.
14,5" only to be exact
3 veins only to be exact
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If you don't think a person with awesome genetics like Dorian can look like this natty you need to wake up. I have seen many high school athletes looking like this eating like shit and just playing football etc...And let's not even get started on negro genetics...Genetics of peace.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=43403.0;attach=45518;image)
You.....my friend........wake up
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You do realize the kid is on tons of gear to look like this:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=510680.0;attach=545712;image)
Lol look how much "pop" he has. Be aware that Halo is a troll, and no one to be siding with on these boards.
Lol....bro.
500mg is TRT or HRT, for a schmoe.
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All I see is a guy who has a good natural foundation but who is not on the right gear now. Much room for improvement if juicing right.
By juicing right....you mean seriously uppong the dose. If not, you do not know what you talk aboit here my friend.
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Ohh I know man. Boy what a drug pig he was in this pic. He must have been on 5 grams...
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/100/images/Dorian_Yates_photo50.jpg)
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Ohh I know man. Boy what a drug pig he was in this pic. He must have been on 5 grams...
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/100/images/Dorian_Yates_photo50.jpg)
Oh wait...
(http://stefangladu.com/powergym/galerie/YatesDorian_01.jpg)
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Ohh I know man. Boy what a drug pig he was in this pic. He must have been on 5 grams...
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/100/images/Dorian_Yates_photo50.jpg)
That's a physique of 500mg test or so.
Again, you must be quite the beast if you think this is easily attainable as a natural. Please post a picture of your awesome physique, so that we can know what is truly attainable as a natural
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hahaha yes there a natural athelete right there :D
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That's a physique of 500mg test or so.
Again, you must be quite the beast if you think this is easily attainable as a natural. Please post a picture of your awesome physique, so that we can know what is truly attainable as a natural
I am not natural a pic of me would be useless, and I am not that lean lol...Would be an immediate flame fest. I sit at around 15% bf. Not proud of it, but it works for me I am on the quest to get to 275-300lbs as a powerlifter. I have my goals and being 8% bodyfat is not currently one of them.
Anyway aside from any of that I am NOT genetically gifted at all lol...I remember seeing kids growing up in like 3rd grade that had peaked biceps, calves, 6 packs, and naturally low BF% I grew up in an urban area where being lean was not something we chose. Now looking back I realize those kids had good genetics for muscle. I was not one of them lol.
I do know from years of being in and around the industry one thing: There are 7 billion people out there, less than 1% of them will ever seriously pursue a physique so to say you know what everyone is capable of naturally is small minded to say the least.
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just let them think u need to take shitload of roids to achieve dorians before look.. they wont agree with u anyways so why answer to them? they are these types of people who think bodybuilding is all drugs.. because their genetis suck so bad...
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just let them think u need to take shitload of roids to achieve dorians before look.. they wont agree with u anyways so why answer to them? they are these types of people who think bodybuilding is all drugs.. because their genetis suck so bad...
not all drugs
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=118679.0;attach=135039;image)
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These 2 pics don't look that different as far as abs go. Gut is definitely not as brutal as Ronnie's, who is verging on stage III Palumboism.
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/100/images/Dorian_Yates_photo50.jpg) (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=202919.0;attach=236286;image)
(http://i.imgur.com/ePLmkgf.jpg)
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:D ;D
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all these old shits look decent in close up of the abs
on stage story changes
look at that old bearded bber with the paralyzed hanging face
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He's not on "tons" of gear and looks pretty good, all things considered....If you think your physique is so much better feel free to post a pic of yourself, champ.
ANYWAYS, you're the one who thinks Dorian competed as a heavyweight on 200mg of gear. Perhaps u are the troll :o
yah, dorian is on gear there in the very young pic.
those veins dont pop out like that on a natty.
his arms arent full shredded there yet, but the vein on shoulders pop out.
anone who been on juice knows wh this happens,uhm, bc of the juice.
im not even saying he mustve used alot later on but he wasnt natty there already.
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"I think" ? I said he could be telling the truth and in fact could have looked good on that stack...5'11 as a heavy is very easy.
Mind you we are talking about Dorian in the 80's here. He was getting legit pharma Primobolan and Anavar, if you can even manage to get a real supply of those drugs you'd know you don't need much to blow up. Compared to underground lab cheap Chinese bullshit.
That being said;
He said a shot of legit pharma Primo so 300mg's a week and 140mg's of legit var a week...Sounds a lot like the stacks the oldschool guys like dave draper etc. were taking.
yo i am very sorry but i was around when the legit schering primos were around and the italian oxandrolone(anavar).
lol, that stuff was for women or total newcomers, come on.
one ampoula test weekly blew that right away.
i agree the chinese stuff today we know fuck all what in there unless tested,and in generalit seems weaker, there seem to be no way the todays tren compares to the od parabolan(was easy available here in europe).
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Those arms are between 15" and 16" and in your mind look good because they have some veins running through them. First of all, you NEED to get some sun. You being pale is the understatement of the year.
nah comeon.
his arms are good.
first theyre shredded.
ayone who think they got better, post up the pics.
they have size,theres size sittig on the bones there.
the iches dot matter they look good enough. say theyre 17, someone else has bloofy 19inch "cannons", i rather have the 17s.
my arms are easy 20ich when not fully shredded, ad they come down in size plenty to get this kind of conditioning.
they are good,they guy is lean and basicaly qualifies as borderline natural.first cycle.
i dont think many look like that during their first cycle.
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Yates- on gear in every pic in this thread.......varying amounts of course at various stages of his development.
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Seriously I mean I'm talking bodybuilding with a bunch of idiots that think THIS:
(http://www.jimwendler.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/dorian-yates-bodybuilder.jpg)
Can't be achieved naturally! LOL I honestly don't even know what to make of this...You people actually think this looks good, enough so to acuse someone looking like this of taking steroids...LOL clueless kids.
A face only a mother could love :)
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(http://image2.findagrave.com/photos250/photos/2003/251/9386_1063171508.jpg)
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frend has seen him in person face to face 2 weeks ago in spain.
said hes still jacked as hell when he stnd before you, very very lean, and yes, bit of a belly.
summe dup he looks very good still.o real paluboism.
Look how many guys in their 30's and 40's have beer bellies etc. I applaud how he looks over 50 and don't think his bit of distention is necessarily related to PEDs. It's extremely hard to keep your midsection completely tight at any age but over 50 its a bitch.
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he has big chest now
but arms are cziurlok territory
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I am not natural a pic of me would be useless, and I am not that lean lol...Would be an immediate flame fest. I sit at around 15% bf. Not proud of it, but it works for me I am on the quest to get to 275-300lbs as a powerlifter. I have my goals and being 8% bodyfat is not currently one of them.
Cool, everybody has different goals and I respect that. HOWEVER, its not good practice to talk shit about someone else's physique if you're not willing to post a pic of your own.
As far as the 7 billion people thing, sure, there's no way to know for sure. You've probably seen the photo of young Dorian as a skinhead, holding a beer, right? He looked like shit in that photo, certainly not as if he was exceptionally gifted when it came to building muscle.
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who gives a fuck?
who the fuck uses "palumboism" anyways?
how about a term for the losers who post threads like these? "skinny-bitter-twinkism"
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who gives a fuck?
who the fuck uses "palumboism" anyways?
how about a term for the losers who post threads like these? "skinny-bitter-twinkism"
serioisly.... dudes retired, has a hot wife, still big and lean, looks great compared to big ron who looks like a lump of shit (literally).... yet everyone still bitches.
Yates owns minds.
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Dorian is a smart guy. He retired in time. Compare him to his successor (Ronnie) now.
Distended belly (because of slin abuse) can't be entirely fixed afterwards, but limited to a minimum.
Juicing 1g together with some quality gh allows a guy like this to stay impressive in most people's eyes.
He ain't weighing 300lb, not even 240lb anymore. Smart boy.
dorian stepped on the scale for a video and weighed close to 260.....check it out on youtube......maybe 2 years ago.
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dorian stepped on the scale for a video and weighed close to 260.....check it out on youtube......maybe 2 years ago.
yes he did. And he looks better now IMHO. Dude is still massive.
people just love to hate Doz.
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yes he did. And he looks better now IMHO. Dude is still massive.
people just love to hate Doz.
I was never a huge Yates fan,but he does look in far better condition today than most of the guys from his era........and this shit don`t get no easier as time goes on.
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Lots of Doz and Halo haters out there. Doz was the fucking man for the years he was Mr. O. No one can take that away from him. Halo looks fucking great for being on such a low dosage of gear. There are guys who use tons more who don't look even close to that good. He is a good example of what can realistically be done with low dosages and consistency in training and diet. Thumbs up for Halo.
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yah, dorian is on gear there in the very young pic.
those veins dont pop out like that on a natty.
This shoulder veins theory is bs. He's (probably) posing after a work out. Veins pop up all over the place, even in naturals.
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This shoulder veins theory is bs. He's (probably) posing after a work out. Veins pop up all over the place, even in naturals.
ok "dan duchaine",thx for the heads up
do you subscribve to lay norter newsletters too?
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those veins dont pop out like that on a natty.
As a natural I have huge cephalic veins in my arms. That statement is invalid.
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As a natural I have huge cephalic veins in my arms. That statement is invalid.
yah and what else you got?maybe a picture to see the phytons?
listen, try to pay real close attention instead of putting words in my mouth.
i didnt say the veins are the clue.
i said the shoulder veins popping while the arms are covered in steroid bloat.
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ok "dan duchaine",thx for the heads up
do you subscribve to lay norter newsletters too?
No, but i am a natural with an apparently impossible physique.
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i said the shoulder veins popping while the arms are covered in steroid bloat.
You're just seeing what you want to see. What bloat? He has arm veins popping too. Are we even talking about the same picture? (Green-ish shorts with the drawstring?)
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yah and what else you got?maybe a picture to see the phytons?
listen, try to pay real close attention instead of putting words in my mouth.
i didnt say the veins are the clue.
i said the shoulder veins popping while the arms are covered in steroid bloat.
I also get shoulder veins after a hard workout, even chest ones. Still invalid.
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haha lets see those pics.nos eriosu lets see
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my goodness the natties here have some menstrual breakdowns,jesus, so you achieved what you think looks like that beginning shot of yates(lets see the pics the we will see it its about the same).no shit, after years you managed to get there.
ever occured to you that it took him much much less time to get there?
and if youre natural, you dont know first hand what cosmetic changes steroids do,theres some very typical changes.
ok, lets see the pics, lets first establish with what level of delusions we dealing with here ;D
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haha lets see those pics.nos eriosu lets see
Best I can do, just taken.
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Best I can do, just taken.
hey if i ever need toothpicks, is it possible to rent your arms? ;D
i dont think this comes close to yates in that pic, neither conditioning nor size.
but you look good for nattie, all good.
serious, would have to be same pose,and obviously shirtless.
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hey if i ever need toothpicks, is it possible to rent your arms? ;D
Someday I'll cross the darkside and get all the girls. 8)
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Someday I'll cross the darkside and get all the girls. 8)
;D
btw this is genral joke ,not thrown at you, when ppl say i have a vein on shoulder too, well, so did amy winehouse ;D
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btw this is genral joke ,not thrown at you, when ppl say i have a vein on shoulder too, well, so did amy winehouse ;D
Jokes/sarcasm don't translate well in writing, but I'm afraid alot of guys on here don't know that.
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Jokes/sarcasm don't translate well in writing, but I'm afraid alot of guys on here don't know that.
nbtw the simplest solutoon to this would be to ask dorian himself.
when no camera is filming him,maybe.
i asked my frend who recently seen him, did youa sk him about drugs and diet,he said i didnt want to bother him, we were in a restarant.
fuck , i would have aproached that totaly different :D
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easier to believe bodybuilding is all drugs than to question your own genetics for the sport, genetics count for everything, guys who tried to overcome their genetics with mega dosing are dropping like flies. I have met both Kovacs and Nasser and discussed usage, they used a lot more for a lot longer than everyone. Milos gets a bad wrap but I can tell you he used half what Nasser used mg wise Insulin wise, he was much more scientific, Dorian was a genetic freak who took over the years an ever increasing amount of steroids to encourage further growth but mg wise, there are guys on this site doing more and are under 200 in shape.
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easier to believe bodybuilding is all drugs than to question your own genetics for the sport, genetics count for everything, guys who tried to overcome their genetics with mega dosing are dropping like flies. I have met both Kovacs and Nasser and discussed usage, they used a lot more for a lot longer than everyone. Milos gets a bad wrap but I can tell you he used half what Nasser used mg wise Insulin wise, he was much more scientific, Dorian was a genetic freak who took over the years an ever increasing amount of steroids to encourage further growth but mg wise, there are guys on this site doing more and are under 200 in shape.
how much did milos use?
realy curious, dont care much for the rest.
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all these old shits look decent in close up of the abs
on stage story changes
look at that old bearded bber with the paralyzed hanging face
Andreas Cahling....
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Milo's was pretty conservative compared to many 1.5 grams off season,precontest he was higher, his real danger point as a guru was from his insulin and excessive diuretic use.
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how much did milos use?
realy curious, dont care much for the rest.
I seriously doubt milos used half of what Nasser used, as I've spoken to them both off and on over the years.... although I've spoken to neither for the past 9+ years. Nasser and Milos were the two guys (the ONLY two guys) who'd give me the time of day when it came to answering my questions regarding insulin use when I was a 17yr old kid.
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i also said he is not natural in before pics but its not the vein that gives him away its the hardness and fullness of the muscle that only comes with steroid use... but i said its possible to build a physique like that on low dosages
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no YOU should wake up moron
You are a sad dumb fuck. There are people who like like this (early years) roid free, and yes even white guys.
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You are a sad dumb fuck. There are people who like like this (early years) roid free, and yes even white guys.
QFT.
Some of you guys on this board live in a world of delusion. You can be as funny as fuck when ragging the shit out of each other, but when it comes to gear and what can be achieved most of you seem clueless.
Get this in your heads - there are countless guys out there who look much better than the Yates "before"pic who have never taken steroids. I know plenty of guys who love training, who are not "bodybuilders" in anyway, who look "better". Better meaning "more drug like" - harder, fuller etc in their better bodyparts. And yet these guys can't hold a candle genetically to Mr Olympia Dorian Yates.
This constant internet BS that Dorian has weak genetics is gibberish. He may not have had Wheeler's aesthetic genes, but the man was born to be lean and muscular in a way that us mere mortals can only ever dream of.
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my goodness the natties here have some menstrual breakdowns,jesus
Breakdown? Hardly. There are bullshit theories in nearly every thread.
no shit, after years you managed to get there.
This is called 'moving the goal posts'. First it was only possible with drugs, but now it's possible, except it's slower? Well, of course a natural lifter is going to progress much more slowly than a multiple Mr Olympia winner. Your theory might be good as a general rule of thumb, but it doesn't stand up to close scrutiny (which even you seem to admit).
It's also very difficult to argue with people who are so (deliberately?) vague. Take this for example:
What you have to look at in the pic of young Dorian is not the size or the leanness. It's the specific look of the muscles, the pop, the veins, the skin.
It's a 'specific look', the pop (the what? it's unrelated to size or leanness but it's visible here?), the veins (what about them? it's not even a clear photo), the skin (what about the skin? are you sure the things you are seeing in the skin are not visual artifacts?) If you think this particular physique is above what is possible by any natural lifter in history (IMO a bizarre claim), you'll need to be more specific about what you are seeing.
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He definitely stopped just as he was getting polumboism. Also sometimes polumboism will actually reveal itself after guys retire so let's see if guys like J get it, although it
might just be due to lower grade GH whereas new generation guys like J are more likely to have the
pharma-grade stuff.
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I seriously doubt milos used half of what Nasser used, as I've spoken to them both off and on over the years.... although I've spoken to neither for the past 9+ years. Nasser and Milos were the two guys (the ONLY two guys) who'd give me the time of day when it came to answering my questions regarding insulin use when I was a 17yr old kid.
Drop some of those insulin numbers please.
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Milo's was pretty conservative compared to many 1.5 grams off season,precontest he was higher, his real danger point as a guru was from his insulin and excessive diuretic use.
Do you have numbers about his insulin usage? And what about big nasser?
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Best I can do, just taken.
Kudos for posting a picture, but i hope you can see that this is not the same "look" as Dorian. You look like a good natural.... he looks like a juicer on a small cycle
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QFT.
Some of you guys on this board live in a world of delusion. You can be as funny as fuck when ragging the shit out of each other, but when it comes to gear and what can be achieved most of you seem clueless.
This has basically been my recurring themology regarding this board. Amen.
I don't want to be to hard on anyone, but I wish some of the guys here would really try to educate themselves by any means possible. I don't care if it is watching YT videos. I'm not going to say they are right or wrong, I am saying for you to use ANY means necessary before you start ranting about what you *think* you know.
Trust me when I say, there are plenty here that *do* know what they are talking about, but the proportion of those in "the know" and those who are just gibbering is completely disproportionate.
Some of us older guys have had to learn from trial and error. We didn't have the internet and book stores at our fingertips.
What's the remainder's exuse?
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Also in relation to his arms. Dorian is big boned. Look at size of his wrists.
Makes the muscles look dispropionate
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(http://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/attachments/general-tattoo-discussion/6331d1311447659-areas-your-body-you-wont-tattoo-med_1177191226-dorian_yates_202_young.jpg)
Dorian all natural, "great genetics" = world class ped response and ability not to sick from mega dosing
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QFT.
Some of you guys on this board live in a world of delusion. You can be as funny as fuck when ragging the shit out of each other, but when it comes to gear and what can be achieved most of you seem clueless.
Get this in your heads - there are countless guys out there who look much better than the Yates "before"pic who have never taken steroids. I know plenty of guys who love training, who are not "bodybuilders" in anyway, who look "better". Better meaning "more drug like" - harder, fuller etc in their better bodyparts. And yet these guys can't hold a candle genetically to Mr Olympia Dorian Yates.
This constant internet BS that Dorian has weak genetics is gibberish. He may not have had Wheeler's aesthetic genes, but the man was born to be lean and muscular in a way that us mere mortals can only ever dream of.
nobody here said dorian has bad genetics.duh.
and you know those countless guys are honest because?
you have your opinion, others have their opinions,its all good.
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Breakdown? Hardly. There are bullshit theories in nearly every thread.
This is called 'moving the goal posts'. First it was only possible with drugs, but now it's possible, except it's slower? Well, of course a natural lifter is going to progress much more slowly than a multiple Mr Olympia winner. Your theory might be good as a general rule of thumb, but it doesn't stand up to close scrutiny (which even you seem to admit).
It's also very difficult to argue with people who are so (deliberately?) vague. Take this for example:
It's a 'specific look', the pop (the what? it's unrelated to size or leanness but it's visible here?), the veins (what about them? it's not even a clear photo), the skin (what about the skin? are you sure the things you are seeing in the skin are not visual artifacts?) If you think this particular physique is above what is possible by any natural lifter in history (IMO a bizarre claim), you'll need to be more specific about what you are seeing.
the photo is clear enough for me.
thats steroid fullness there, you wouldnt know that as natty.
its not moving th e goalposts, its just very tiresome to post all the little details.
look if you believe he was on nothing there, fine.
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This has basically been my recurring themology regarding this board. Amen.
I don't want to be to hard on anyone, but I wish some of the guys here would really try to educate themselves by any means possible. I don't care if it is watching YT videos. I'm not going to say they are right or wrong, I am saying for you to use ANY means necessary before you start ranting about what you *think* you know.
Trust me when I say, there are plenty here that *do* know what they are talking about, but the proportion of those in "the know" and those who are just gibbering is completely disproportionate.
Some of us older guys have had to learn from trial and error. We didn't have the internet and book stores at our fingertips.
What's the remainder's exuse?
being oldr guy doesnt give any monopoly on final say.
every old guy knows, when you come off, your gains come off too.
its simple as that.
theres ppl who have seen others go from first day in gym to first cycle,to pro card.
doriann ist huge in the early pics, butt you go and show me some naturals who carry more size at that bodyfat.
sure some ppl overrate drugs, but some natties see someone else in the most exposing pose and think they come close, when in reality, they nowhere near close.
so yea all naturals feel free to post a pic emulatig that exact dorian pose,then we will talk.
:D
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(http://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/attachments/general-tattoo-discussion/6331d1311447659-areas-your-body-you-wont-tattoo-med_1177191226-dorian_yates_202_young.jpg)
Dorian all natural, "great genetics" = world class ped response and ability not to sick from mega dosing
hm what if he already actualy worked out there? ;D
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Drop some of those insulin numbers please.
numbers they gave me were similar for me ... didn't discuss their doses when it came to insulin. talked about getting anabolics to a certain point and after that the only thing that will get you to continue to grow was gh. 4g+ roughly, and never coming 'off' (using test yr round).. which to me, at the time, sounded crazy since I'd been brainwashed into the old school "12-on, 12-off" nonsense... and Nasser saying the only thing that keeps him growing is gh... milos saying anything less than 15iu/day is a waste or gh.
Nasser was pretty lazy. I can't see him doing multiple shots of insulin during the day since his eating habbits were pretty lax... because of the amount of gh, I can see him doing a couple 20iu shots per day.
milos would use the shit all day... I'd bet a shiny new nickel milos used more AAS than Nasser (and Nasser was a heavy user).. the Nasser, milos, and craig titus were to my knowledge the biggest users I've ever known. there was nothing "conservative" in their drugs.... now milos, when he'd 'advise' others, would be a lil more conservative, but for his personal doses, you could multiply that by 3-4.
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no YOU should wake up moron
No, YOU should. Go to any regional amateur wrestling tourney in the west and you'll see tons of 5'6" no necks built like tanks no aas needed.
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No, YOU should. Go to any regional amateur wrestling tourney in the west and you'll see tons of 5'6" no necks built like tanks no aas needed.
oh brother
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oh brother
sorry bro ;)
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numbers they gave me were similar for me ... didn't discuss their doses when it came to insulin. talked about getting anabolics to a certain point and after that the only thing that will get you to continue to grow was gh. 4g+ roughly, and never coming 'off' (using test yr round).. which to me, at the time, sounded crazy since I'd been brainwashed into the old school "12-on, 12-off" nonsense... and Nasser saying the only thing that keeps him growing is gh... milos saying anything less than 15iu/day is a waste or gh.
Nasser was pretty lazy. I can't see him doing multiple shots of insulin during the day since his eating habbits were pretty lax... because of the amount of gh, I can see him doing a couple 20iu shots per day.
milos would use the shit all day... I'd bet a shiny new nickel milos used more AAS than Nasser (and Nasser was a heavy user).. the Nasser, milos, and craig titus were to my knowledge the biggest users I've ever known. there was nothing "conservative" in their drugs.... now milos, when he'd 'advise' others, would be a lil more conservative, but for his personal doses, you could multiply that by 3-4.
My curiosity is because i have seen competitive bodybuilders having low blood sugar issues on 28iu a day (slin) or less, but i have read some getbiggers assuring they were using 150 to 200 iu a day while eating twice daily.
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i laugh when ppl think the "before" pic is natural^^^^^^
QFT
the "before" pic, yates had done quite a few cycles
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(http://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/attachments/general-tattoo-discussion/6331d1311447659-areas-your-body-you-wont-tattoo-med_1177191226-dorian_yates_202_young.jpg)
Dorian all natural, "great genetics" = world class ped response and ability not to sick from mega dosing
the pic of dorian in jeans witha drink, now THIS is natural
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Breakdown? Hardly. There are bullshit theories in nearly every thread.
This is called 'moving the goal posts'. First it was only possible with drugs, but now it's possible, except it's slower? Well, of course a natural lifter is going to progress much more slowly than a multiple Mr Olympia winner. Your theory might be good as a general rule of thumb, but it doesn't stand up to close scrutiny (which even you seem to admit).
It's also very difficult to argue with people who are so (deliberately?) vague. Take this for example:
It's a 'specific look', the pop (the what? it's unrelated to size or leanness but it's visible here?), the veins (what about them? it's not even a clear photo), the skin (what about the skin? are you sure the things you are seeing in the skin are not visual artifacts?) If you think this particular physique is above what is possible by any natural lifter in history (IMO a bizarre claim), you'll need to be more specific about what you are seeing.
bottom line and you can debate this all you want a natty will hit a point determined by his genetics that will not allow him to make- despite however optimal the conditions he cretaes for himself for 'growth'- the gains an anbolics user will make.
period.
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bottom line and you can debate this all you want a natty will hit a point determined by his genetics that will not allow him to make- despite however optimal the conditions he cretaes for himself for 'growth'- the gains an anbolics user will make.
period.
juice = muscle.
Nothing against nattys, but theyre just never going to look as good or attain the same levels as a user..... and itll be slower than hell.
I dont have the time or dedication it takes to look halfway decent as a natty... thank god for HRT.
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No, YOU should. Go to any regional amateur wrestling tourney in the west and you'll see tons of 5'6" no necks built like tanks no aas needed.
Those 5'6" wrestlers will be wrestling in the 145lb weight class, and they will walk around at 150-155. Not exactly what I picture when I think "built like tanks"
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Those 5'6" wrestlers will be wrestling in the 145lb weight class, and they will walk around at 150-155. Not exactly what I picture when I think "built like tanks"
Lots of jacked 5'8" 185+ guys too. Muscularity isn't magic bro its just genetics. Not as big a deal as ppl on here make it out to be.
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Originally you posted:
No, YOU should. Go to any regional amateur wrestling tourney in the west and you'll see tons of 5'6" no necks built like tanks no aas needed.
As if to claim that wrestlers were exceptionally muscular. Fact is, they aren't. Yeah they are tremendously fit and are very strong for their bodyweight, but wrestling at the lowest weight class possible is really the only way to have any chance at success.
5'8" at a very lean 185 is indeed quite muscular, but you will not find an above-average wrestler at those stats. The 182-weight class is populated by individuals taller than 6'0".
Do you have any experience in wrestling? Or are you just talking out of your ass to make a point?
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bottom line and you can debate this all you want a natty will hit a point determined by his genetics that will not allow him to make- despite however optimal the conditions he cretaes for himself for 'growth'- the gains an anbolics user will make.
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the photo is clear enough for me.
thats steroid fullness there, you wouldnt know that as natty.
its not moving th e goalposts, its just very tiresome to post all the little details.
look if you believe he was on nothing there, fine.
It's moving the goal posts because you don't actually concede and then you change the argument.
Perhaps the reason you think this is beyond what is achievable naturally is because you were very small or flat or veinless as a natural. Not everyone is.
The "little details" you mention are the entire argument. You think you see particular things about his veins or skin (which you can't describe, or wont describe) that means he can't be natural. But those same things can be seen on naturals and are not unusual.
doriann ist huge in the early pics, butt you go and show me some naturals who carry more size at that bodyfat.
This is an impossible thing to prove then. If i post a picture of similar physique you will just say "look at his skin! look at his veins! this is steroid fullness. (no, i can't describe what fullness means)".
His arms aren't even 16 inches there, so this "size" that you are talking about is just as invisible as these skin-and-veins details and "fullness" that you say are not possible for a natural.
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It's moving the goal posts because you don't actually concede and then you change the argument.
Perhaps the reason you think this is beyond what is achievable naturally is because you were very small or flat or veinless as a natural. Not everyone is.
The "little details" you mention are the entire argument. You think you see particular things about his veins or skin (which you can't describe, or wont describe) that means he can't be natural. But those same things can be seen on naturals and are not unusual.
This is an impossible thing to prove then. If i post a picture of similar physique you will just say "look at his skin! look at his veins! this is steroid fullness. (no, i can't describe what fullness means)".
His arms aren't even 16 inches there, so this "size" that you are talking about is just as invisible as these skin-and-veins details and "fullness" that you say are not possible for a natural.
or perhaps his observations are based on over 15 years of experience?
there are certain attributes anabolics users manifest that are readily apparent to guys who use.
if you dont understand this then theres little sense educating you further.
keep taking your creatine and reading muscle and fitness, sunshine.
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QFT.
Some of you guys on this board live in a world of delusion. You can be as funny as fuck when ragging the shit out of each other, but when it comes to gear and what can be achieved most of you seem clueless.
Get this in your heads - there are countless guys out there who look much better than the Yates "before"pic who have never taken steroids. I know plenty of guys who love training, who are not "bodybuilders" in anyway, who look "better". Better meaning "more drug like" - harder, fuller etc in their better bodyparts. And yet these guys can't hold a candle genetically to Mr Olympia Dorian Yates.
This constant internet BS that Dorian has weak genetics is gibberish. He may not have had Wheeler's aesthetic genes, but the man was born to be lean and muscular in a way that us mere mortals can only ever dream of.
Have to agree with this. Trained with a number of sprinters who all looked much fuller and more cut. And I know they were clean because they were asking me where to buy roids. ;D
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or perhaps his observations are based on over 15 years of experience?
there are certain attributes anabolics users manifest that are readily apparent to guys who use.
if you dont understand this then theres little sense educating you further.
keep taking your creatine and reading muscle and fitness, sunshine.
as I go on it becomes increasingly easy to spot the 'look' of someone on, even if its just HRT. It just looks different.. as gal said, a 'fullness', pop to the muscles... capped delts in a certain way... impossible to describe but when you see it you just KNOW.
I only really started to spot it since ive been using, and hanging around those that use. It becomes a very distinct look once you know what youre looking for.
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As I said earlier,all pics of Yates in this thread = gear usage,except the one of him in the jeans.
Guys who can`t see this haven`t been around long enough,or just don`t know what to look for....OR BOTH.
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impossible to describe but when you see it you just KNOW.
Lol. Well i'm convinced!
(I'm also convinced that i could post a photo of my (natural) deltoids which would have the wise getbiggers nodding to themselves going "yes yes, see the fullness and the pop? This is what i'm talking about"
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The only person you can really be sure is a natural is yourself. And if you think that relatively small muscles and a few chest or shoulder veins are impossible, it says a lot about the results you achieved while natural.
Guys who can`t see this haven`t been around long enough,or just don`t know what to look for....OR BOTH.
Or they got to a similar size without drugs and are confused as to what all the fuss is about.
or perhaps his observations are based on over 15 years of experience?
If he is too busy in the world of drugs, he probably has no experience of what naturals can achieve. Or has forgotten. Or never knew to begin with.
there are certain attributes anabolics users manifest that are readily apparent to guys who use.
Except that you can't even give a basic description of these attributes ("pop" and "fullness" are too vague, and the talk of veins is even more vague.), and yet they are visible in poor quality old photos?
keep taking your creatine and reading muscle and fitness, sunshine.
Apparently i am doing pretty well for myself naturally, because i seem to have achieved what is not supposed to be possible without drugs. (I take it as a compliment.)
And a reminder of what we are talking about: a few barely visible chest veins, shoulder veins, 16 inch arms (maybe), a flat adonis belt, and visible abs.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=43403.0;attach=45518;image)
I'm shocked that some of you think that a future Mr Olympia (or anyone else with good genes) could never look like this natural.
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My curiosity is because i have seen competitive bodybuilders having low blood sugar issues on 28iu a day (slin) or less, but i have read some getbiggers assuring they were using 150 to 200 iu a day while eating twice daily.
well, you can have low blood sugar issues on 5iu insulin.
with increasing gh use, you have increased insulin resistance, hence a greater tolerance for insulin.. however I seriously doubt 150-200iu/day.
I've been up to 40-60iu/day without gh, and that was pushing it.. add in gh and I can estimate MAYBE going to 80-100iu/day.. and that's a big maybe, and only conjecture.
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Lol. Well i'm convinced!
(I'm also convinced that i could post a photo of my (natural) deltoids which would have the wise getbiggers nodding to themselves going "yes yes, see the fullness and the pop? This is what i'm talking about"
Feel free to post a picture of your impressive natural physique.
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nobody here said dorian has bad genetics.duh.
and you know those countless guys are honest because?
you have your opinion, others have their opinions,its all good.
You needed drugs to look this good? Fine.
Not all do.
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So does anyone really know what causes the big belly?
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So does anyone really know what causes the big belly?
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Lots of food/carbs + gh-induced insulin resistance = visceral fat
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Lots of food/carbs + gh-induced insulin resistance = visceral fat
Does that mean fat organs?
Sounds pretty damn unhealthy :-X :-X :-X
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You needed drugs to look this good? Fine.
Not all do.
This is a good summary !
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So does anyone really know what causes the big belly?
???
mine's from beer ;D
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mine's from beer ;D
lol
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Does that mean fat organs?
Sounds pretty damn unhealthy :-X :-X :-X
Nah its fat surrounding the organs in your abdomen....not to be confused with subcutaneous fat, fat that lies underneath the skin.
As far as i know, the "gh makes your organs grow" thing is unfounded. I'm guessing people heard that gh can increase the size of your heart and assumed it would have this effect on all vital organs.
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Nah its fat surrounding the organs in your abdomen....not to be confused with subcutaneous fat, fat that lies underneath the skin.
As far as i know, the "gh makes your organs grow" thing is unfounded. I'm guessing people heard that gh can increase the size of your heart and assumed it would have this effect on all vital organs.
Oh, I see
thanks for the info!
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Lots of food/carbs + gh-induced insulin resistance = visceral fat
I've thought that in the past, but I find it goes against logic that you can have 4% bf, but yet have a massive amount of visceral fat.
you can take a guy with a "gh belly", have him cut his food for a few days and he'll have a 'normal' waistline.... that, and muscle.
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I've thought that in the past, but I find it goes against logic that you can have 4% bf, but yet have a massive amount of visceral fat.
you can take a guy with a "gh belly", have him cut his food for a few days and he'll have a 'normal' waistline.... that, and muscle.
Frankly I'm just guessing.... but how else do you explain a Ronnie or Ben Pakulski that's in contest condition but with a 40"+ waist? I don't think they eat THAT much for a carb-up
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Frankly I'm just guessing.... but how else do you explain a Ronnie or Ben Pakulski that's in contest condition but with a 40"+ waist? I don't think they eat THAT much for a carb-up
u mean rockel or coleman?
rockel is doing keto diet in last 2 weeks into the competition... u are right he doesnt eat that much for carb up he is just widely waisted.. and ben is a big abuser he lost all of his hair 1 year later he become pro that says everything
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u mean rockel or coleman?
rockel is doing keto diet in last 2 weeks into the competition... u are right he doesnt eat that much for carb up he is just widely waisted.. and ben is a big abuser he lost all of his hair 1 year later he become pro that says everything
Great explanation ::)
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Great explanation ::)
it may something have to do with heavy deadlifting and squatting...
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Growth hormone (GH or HGH), also known as somatotropin or somatropin, is a peptide .... synthesis; Stimulates the growth of all internal organs excluding the brain;
There are actually many referenced studies that do show internal organ growth. Not just the heart....
I will reference them later ~
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it may something have to do with heavy deadlifting and squatting...
Lol now I think you're trolling. In any case, leave the discussion to people with experience in these matters, and stick to talking about the "optimal training routine" with the other naturals.
Growth hormone (GH or HGH), also known as somatotropin or somatropin, is a peptide .... synthesis; Stimulates the growth of all internal organs excluding the brain;
There are actually many referenced studies that do show internal organ growth. Not just the heart....
I will reference them later ~
Please do, it would be the first I've heard of it. Not only that, it seems like bodybuilders that stop the drugs lose the belly.... seems like organ growth would be permanent ???
Tom Prince had a monster belly but probably has a 30" waist now. JP Fux too
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the waist has more to do with food intake and training style.
my waist has been up to 41" in the past.. still had abs and was hard (although overall bf was around 15% when I was powerlifting.. lots of food, squatting, deadlifting.. even wearing a belt when benching, ect..).. I've been down to 31" recently.. about 33"-34" currently, and notice with increased food intake my waist will push out to the sides more from the front and will push out to the front when viewed to the side and relaxed.. even with 7% bf.. although I think I'm up to around 9-10% now... with NO gh and rarely Slin... and even when I do use slin now, it's maybe twice (usually only once) per day at about 5iu per shot.
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Lol now I think you're trolling. In any case, leave the discussion to people with experience in these matters, and stick to talking about the "optimal training routine" with the other naturals.
Please do, it would be the first I've heard of it. Not only that, it seems like bodybuilders that stop the drugs lose the belly.... seems like organ growth would be permanent ???
Tom Prince had a monster belly but probably has a 30" waist now. JP Fux too
u are pathetic.. top bbers like levrone and dorian even dennis wolf says that heavy squats and deadlifts force your obliques to grow.. dont act like an expert here fool lets show some pics of you otherways stfu
LOL what a fuckin fool u are.. u say if u stop gh the belly goes away so explain to me what happened to coleman?? why cant coleman lose his belly?? its because his fuckin organs grew thats why..
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u are pathetic.. top bbers like levrone and dorian even dennis wolf says that heavy squats and deadlifts force your obliques to grow.. dont act like an expert here fool lets show some pics of you otherways stfu
LOL what a fuckin fool u are.. u say if u stop gh the belly goes away so explain to me what happened to coleman?? why cant coleman lose his belly?? its because his fuckin organs grew thats why..
1) they can't exactly say "too much gh & slin" thickens the waist, now can they?
2) Ronnie is obviously still on a good amount of juice/gh. You didn't think he was clean, did you?
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1) they can't exactly say "too much gh & slin" thickens the waist, now can they?
2) Ronnie is obviously still on a good amount of juice/gh. You didn't think he was clean, did you?
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of course ronnie is still on gh and juice but he doesnt abuse them like he did in the past.. u think dorian is not on gh? he is on gh too why doesnt dorian have a gut like coleman? its all about abusing vs. smart usage... if u abuse it in the past ur organs will grow and the belly will stay.
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of course ronnie is still on gh and juice but he doesnt abuse them like he did in the past.. u think dorian is not on gh? he is on gh too why doesnt dorian have a gut like coleman? its all about abusing vs. smart usage... if u abuse it in the past ur organs will grow and the belly will stay.
Have you seen recent pictures of Dorian? He's got quite the hefty gut himself.... and yeah he's still on gear, too.
I don't think it's organ growth because the pros who had guts but came off the sauce--jp fux, mike morris, Mohammed moustafa, Tom Prince--none of them have the guts any more
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Have you seen recent pictures of Dorian? He's got quite the hefty gut himself.... and yeah he's still on gear, too.
I don't think it's organ growth because the pros who had guts but came off the sauce--jp fux, mike morris, Mohammed moustafa, Tom Prince--none of them have the guts any more
all the gentleman u mentioned not one has been seen shirtless since there heavy jucing days have ceased,,,morris videos aside u see he still has some upper body size but still can't tell midsection...
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all the gentleman u mentioned not one has been seen shirtless since there heavy jucing days have ceased,,,morris videos aside u see he still has some upper body size but still can't tell midsection...
this and it seems like all of them love to wear baggy shirts.. i wonder why..
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all the gentleman u mentioned not one has been seen shirtless since there heavy jucing days have ceased,,,morris videos aside u see he still has some upper body size but still can't tell midsection...
Fair point, but that picture of Tom Prince in the store he's wearing a slim fitting shirt and appears to have a flat stomach
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this and it seems like all of them love to wear baggy shirts.. i wonder why..
consideration to the fact they all 50 70 lbs of weight/musle/water from there peak maybe more.
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Fair point, but that picture of Tom Prince in the store he's wearing a slim fitting shirt and appears to have a flat stomach
true,god bless him for what he put himself through...
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i know dorian is a hero etc but
RIGHT NOW HIS ARMS LOOK LIKE SHIT
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most guys guts will go down once they stop eating so much damn food. (myself included... I dropped 10" from mine)
I used to see JP fux everyday and his gut is 'gone'.. although he's still training a little bit, he's down to about 215lbs or so... maybe 220.
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Lol now I think you're trolling. In any case, leave the discussion to people with experience in these matters, and stick to talking about the "optimal training routine" with the other naturals.
Please do, it would be the first I've heard of it. Not only that, it seems like bodybuilders that stop the drugs lose the belly.... seems like organ growth would be permanent ???
Tom Prince had a monster belly but probably has a 30" waist now. JP Fux too
There's quite a lot on the net. Surfing throughout the references with the articles is the hard part. The one site I found on Pharmacology had all the references at the end, not even numbered.
I agree with you though, other than empirical data there really doesn't seem to be any precise studies, just observations made by mostly bodybuilders. Now, where they found the heart and kidney enlargement is highly referenced, but I'm looking for something that mentions ALL internal organs. This is what is stated in the articles, but w/o a referenced controlled study, it doesn't mean dogshit to me. You could be right.
There may be another reasone for the bloat and the separation of the Linea Alba.
I would like to know for a fact myself. Good call.
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Wow, I thought more people here knew about the over-abundance of receptor sites in the deltoids. These are the first muscles to go when a guy gets "off" ~ then you are stuck with long arms with big bicep bellies and high triceps that really look funky... and the large midwaist.
Look at Lou. His arms are pathetic. That huge distance between his insertion of the Triceps and the elbow is almost embarrassing..
Looks nothing like he did when he competed in the Master O.
These guys should just be a smaller shadow of themselves, not a distorted one.
Nobody is going to fund a study on this shit, they are just going to change the sport of HC bodybuilding to Fitness modeling. Mark my words.
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Dorian's left arm was gone in 1997. A torn bicep and an even worse
tear to the left tricep.
Dorian's arms in 1993 were quite excellent although some tend to disagree
but even the uninjured right arm by 1997 had diminished some in size.
JUST GOING BY PHOTOS I see no way Yates should have beat Nasser.
Yates was superior in the back shots but Nasser was more overwhelming
comparatively from the front than Yates was comparatively from the back.
I'm not a fan of Nasser's overall physique at all and I think the 1993 version
of Yates competitively is the top 2 or 3rd competition physique ever; BUT Nasser
should have beat Yates here. Please take a close look at the 1st picture.
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/146/images/Nasser_El_Sonbaty_395.jpg)
(http://hugenasser.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/olympianight.jpg)
(http://forum.spam.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4324&stc=1&d=1212416268)
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There's quite a lot on the net. Surfing throughout the references with the articles is the hard part. The one site I found on Pharmacology had all the references at the end, not even numbered.
I agree with you though, other than empirical data there really doesn't seem to be any precise studies, just observations made by mostly bodybuilders. Now, where they found the heart and kidney enlargement is highly referenced, but I'm looking for something that mentions ALL internal organs. This is what is stated in the articles, but w/o a referenced controlled study, it doesn't mean dogshit to me. You could be right.
There may be another reasone for the bloat and the separation of the Linea Alba.
I would like to know for a fact myself. Good call.
Like you mention, its hard to find any kind of research that we can extrapolate to our discussion. I think people get caught up in the 'growth' part of growth hormone....if we called it somatotropin, we wouldn't hear all these mystical qualities attributed to hgh
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Dorian's left arm was gone in 1997. A torn bicep and an even worse
tear to the left tricep.
Dorian's arms in 1993 were quite excellent although some tend to disagree
but even the uninjured right arm by 1997 had diminished some in size.
JUST GOING BY PHOTOS I see no way Yates should have beat Nasser.
Yates was superior in the back shots but Nasser was more overwhelming
comparatively from the front than Yates was comparatively from the back.
I'm not a fan of Nasser's overall physique at all and I think the 1993 version
of Yates competitively is the top 2 or 3rd competition physique ever; BUT Nasser
should have beat Yates here. Please take a close look at the 1st picture.
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/146/images/Nasser_El_Sonbaty_395.jpg)
(http://hugenasser.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/olympianight.jpg)
(http://forum.spam.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4324&stc=1&d=1212416268)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=294751.0;attach=335165;image)
True. Excellent way of putting things.
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Dorian's left arm was gone in 1997. A torn bicep and an even worse
tear to the left tricep.
Dorian's arms in 1993 were quite excellent although some tend to disagree
but even the uninjured right arm by 1997 had diminished some in size.
JUST GOING BY PHOTOS I see no way Yates should have beat Nasser.
Yates was superior in the back shots but Nasser was more overwhelming
comparatively from the front than Yates was comparatively from the back.
I'm not a fan of Nasser's overall physique at all and I think the 1993 version
of Yates competitively is the top 2 or 3rd competition physique ever; BUT Nasser
should have beat Yates here. Please take a close look at the 1st picture.
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/146/images/Nasser_El_Sonbaty_395.jpg)
(http://hugenasser.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/olympianight.jpg)
(http://forum.spam.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4324&stc=1&d=1212416268)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=294751.0;attach=335165;image)
I used to think that Nasser should have beat Yates in 1997 as well, based on photos. However, in watching the video of the contest, it was clear that Nasser had no density to his physique. When he turned to the side, it was over. When he turned around, even worse. Pictures don't tell the whole story.
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I used to think that Nasser should have beat Yates in 1997 as well, based on photos. However, in watching the video of
the contest, it was clear that Nasser had no density to his physique. When he turned to the side, it was over. When he turned around, even worse. Pictures don't tell the whole story.
This. Which is sad, as Doz in 97 was a trainwreck.
nasser simply had.no depth to his physique
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I used to think that Nasser should have beat Yates in 1997 as well, based on photos. However, in watching the video of the contest, it was clear that Nasser had no density to his physique. When he turned to the side, it was over. When he turned around, even worse. Pictures don't tell the whole story.
I realize if I had been there in person or seen a good video I may very well feel different.
Thx for your input.
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Originally you posted:
As if to claim that wrestlers were exceptionally muscular. Fact is, they aren't. Yeah they are tremendously fit and are very strong for their bodyweight, but wrestling at the lowest weight class possible is really the only way to have any chance at success.
5'8" at a very lean 185 is indeed quite muscular, but you will not find an above-average wrestler at those stats. The 182-weight class is populated by individuals taller than 6'0".
Do you have any experience in wrestling? Or are you just talking out of your ass to make a point?
I was merely stating that natural muscularity isn't as rare and unacheivable as some people here make it out to be. And "above average" lol ok.. with who's criteria. ??? Also, there is a thing in wrestling they use called weight cutting and i've trained with competitors in the 185-210 range who looked jacked in clothes and pushed verry heavy weights for size, no ped's. And of course there are clearly ones who aren't muscular too so whats your point. No need to be a NCAA champ or IFBB judge to make a simple statement about competitor physique quality in that sport. Are you just truculent with others on here because of your blue balls?
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I was merely stating that natural muscularity isn't as rare and unacheivable as some people here make it out to be. And "above average" lol ok.. with who's criteria. ??? Also, there is a thing in wrestling they use called weight cutting and i've trained with competitors in the 185-210 range who looked jacked in clothes and pushed verry heavy weights for size, no ped's. And of course there are clearly ones who aren't muscular too so whats your point. No need to be a NCAA champ or IFBB judge to make a simple statement about competitor physique quality in that sport. Are you just truculent with others on here because of your blue balls?
Because you're trying to say wrestlers are this group of muscle-bound individuals, "proof" that one doesn't need steroids for an impressive physique... something that is patently false.
I just don't want onlookers to get the wrong idea
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40342&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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Because you're trying to say wrestlers are this group of muscle-bound individuals, "proof" that one doesn't need steroids for an impressive physique... something that is patently false.
I just don't want onlookers to get the wrong idea
If i'm seeing this wrong, gimme the evidence.
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40342&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
sick back,legs were actually very impressive not massive like his offseason ,,but they were longish with narrow hip and they they swept down to massive callves fr and back view ,,his back was complete up/down/side to side..
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I sat four feet from Dorian when he guest posed a couple of weeks after the '95 Mr. Olympia. The man was about 285 and the freakiest bodybuilder I have ever seen. And I have seen many of the legends up close, believe me. Dorian's combination of size, density, hardness, proportion, and appearance of power was staggering. His body didn't look of human flesh. Like a damn alien, he was.
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Best I can do, just taken.
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I seriously doubt milos used half of what Nasser used, as I've spoken to them both off and on over the years.... although I've spoken to neither for the past 9+ years. Nasser and Milos were the two guys (the ONLY two guys) who'd give me the time of day when it came to answering my questions regarding insulin use when I was a 17yr old kid.
asking about insulin at 17 years old, haha
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sick back,legs were actually very impressive not massive like his offseason ,,but they were longish with narrow hip and they they swept down to massive callves fr and back view ,,his back was complete up/down/side to side..
Looks like a beast.
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asking about insulin at 17 years old, haha
yeah and the funny thing is 2 of the top ifbb pros actually talk with a 17 year old kid about gear and slin :-\
he should try better next time...
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You do realize the kid is on tons of gear to look like this:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=510680.0;attach=545712;image)
Lol look how much "pop" he has. Be aware that Halo is a troll, and no one to be siding with on these boards.
impressive
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yeah and the funny thing is 2 of the top ifbb pros actually talk with a 17 year old kid about gear and slin :-\
he should try better next time...
you ever met Nasser? "natural beast"? what do you think "top 2 ifbb pros" is like talking to the vice president of the US? like he's some un-approachable semi-god?
dude.. you're fucking clueless. maybe it's hard to believe to you, because you live your entire life through the internet... everything you know of bodybuilding is through the internet.. you probably live in the middle of nowhere and think an 'ifbb pro' is some sort of celebrity.
Nasser and milos are two of the most approachable 'pros' you'd ever meet.
you should stick to talking about shit you actually know about.. like being a "natural beast" i.e. being a fat, small guy who people think "might lift weights" when they look at you (of course, in your mind you're a 'beast'.... right?)
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Dorian was one of the ugliest bodybuilders of all time. He never deserved to win an Olympia. The "win" was entirely a political/strategic business decision from Wieder who saw benefit in having a UK winner in terms of trying to grow his business globally, as well as have a white winner rather than black, as white customers have much greater spending power on supplements etc that Weider told them they needed to grow. That's the truth about Dorian.
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Dorian was one of the ugliest bodybuilders of all time. He never deserved to win an Olympia. The "win" was entirely a political/strategic business decision from Wieder who saw benefit in having a UK winner in terms of trying to grow his business globally, as well as have a white winner rather than black, as white customers have much greater spending power on supplements etc that Weider told them they needed to grow. That's the truth about Dorian.
interesting...
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Dorian was one of the ugliest bodybuilders of all time. He never deserved to win an Olympia. The "win" was entirely a political/strategic business decision from Wieder who saw benefit in having a UK winner in terms of trying to grow his business globally, as well as have a white winner rather than black, as white customers have much greater spending power on supplements etc that Weider told them they needed to grow. That's the truth about Dorian.
just like Lee haney was given the Mr O in an effort to court the black/ghetto market and have little ghetto kids spending their lunch money on weider BCAA's and MegaMass4000?
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nasser should have had that one mr. o
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you ever met Nasser? "natural beast"? what do you think "top 2 ifbb pros" is like talking to the vice president of the US? like he's some un-approachable semi-god?
dude.. you're fucking clueless. maybe it's hard to believe to you, because you live your entire life through the internet... everything you know of bodybuilding is through the internet.. you probably live in the middle of nowhere and think an 'ifbb pro' is some sort of celebrity.
Nasser and milos are two of the most approachable 'pros' you'd ever meet.
you should stick to talking about shit you actually know about.. like being a "natural beast" i.e. being a fat, small guy who people think "might lift weights" when they look at you (of course, in your mind you're a 'beast'.... right?)
ur a lying piece of shit iffb pros would never tell anyone how much and what they take... and not to a 17 year old kid..
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:D :D
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ur a lying piece of shit iffb pros would never tell anyone how much and what they take... and not to a 17 year old kid..
milos and nasser were 2 dudes who never lied about what they used. in fact they caused a huge shitstorm over on muscle mayhem about nine years ago when they started talking, openly, about plasma expanders and other experimental drugs they were testing out in the late 90s. the editor of flex magazine even popped in and told them they were destroying the public perception of pro bodybuilding. it was nuts.
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milos and nasser were 2 dudes who never lied about what they used. in fact they caused a huge shitstorm over on muscle mayhem about nine years ago when they started talking, openly, about plasma expanders and other experimental drugs they were testing out in the late 90s. the editor of flex magazine even popped in and told them they were destroying the public perception of pro bodybuilding. it was nuts.
well somebody had too,,,,u don't gain 10/20 lbs over a contest season,bigger,harder,,from just jumpimg from 50 to 70 lbs on dbell flyes .or in milos case pink to fuscia dumbells.
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milos and nasser were 2 dudes who never lied about what they used. in fact they caused a huge shitstorm over on muscle mayhem about nine years ago when they started talking, openly, about plasma expanders and other experimental drugs they were testing out in the late 90s. the editor of flex magazine even popped in and told them they were destroying the public perception of pro bodybuilding. it was nuts.
u got me wrong
of course they could be talkin openly about drugs back then.. but none of the pros would tell their exact cycle and how much they used.. none of them!! nowadays u see some retired pros like yates or levrone tell their "supposedly" cycles but do we believe them? of course not... so why should i believe this retard about how much milos and nasser used? and they talk about it with him when he was 17 years old... LOL
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ur a lying piece of shit iffb pros would never tell anyone how much and what they take... and not to a 17 year old kid..
I'm a lying piece of shit? you're a clueless fucking dicksucking hero-worshiping nobody who doesn't know dick about anything other than what you read on the internet from OTHER PEOPLE. you have ZERO experience of your own.
you think an 'ifbb pro' is some sort of special person? an un-approachable god-like guy who only converses with other ifbb pro's?
you're a fucking clueless fa ggot. 165lb "beast" huh.... maybe you should listen more and talk less... especially when it comes to shit you know NOTHING about. maybe one day you'll break that 170lb mark or get your arms over 15" and fill out a medium-sized shirt.
I'm a lying piece of shit... bwahahaha.. you don't know who the fuck I am you little Justin Beiber clone.
and did I ever say anything about how they told me EXACTLY what and how much they took?
you fucking little girl.
give you an inch and you take a mile.
take your bitch ass back and re-read what I wrote, you little dyslexic punk.
"Natural Beast".... fucking Jumbo Shrimp.
you know how I know you're a hero-worshiping loser who lives in the middle of nowhere? because you think 'ifbb pro's' are some sort of "professional athlete"... like I'm talking with Barry Bonds of Brett Farve. what are you? 19yrs old? you were still sucking your thumb and sleeping on rubber sheets, chewing on Crayola crayons when I was buying insulin the first time... hell, when I was getting busted in mexico the first time, you were in school, practicing writing your alphabet in capitals and lower-case.
fucking little girl.
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hahahahhaha
man i got lots of fun reading your stupid post :D why u got so mad bro? why u get offended so much? i may not have so much experience with hormone usage like u.. u claim that i know nothing about hormones and im a 165 lbs "beast" with 15 inch arms just because i didnt believe u... thats so childish man.. grow the fuck up..
anyone on this board who has seen my before and after pics know where i came from im not the biggest but im not the biggest user also... i try to get under 8% with minimal drugs and than i will start my preparation for my first competition ever... i hope u will remember your words when u see my upcoming photos in coming months..
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u got me wrong
of course they could be talkin openly about drugs back then.. but none of the pros would tell their exact cycle and how much they used.. none of them!! nowadays u see some retired pros like yates or levrone tell their "supposedly" cycles but do we believe them? of course not... so why should i believe this retard about how much milos and nasser used? and they talk about it with him when he was 17 years old... LOL
I don't mean they saiid what kinda stuff was in a cycle, I mean they said exactly what the cycles were, what brands, when and how much it cost. and they were HUGE cycles. not that Yates post retirement bullshit. they even explained how Dillet fucked up his diuretics that time he seized up on stage.
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I don't mean they saiid what kinda stuff was in a cycle, I mean they said exactly what the cycles were, what brands, when and how much it cost. and they were HUGE cycles. not that Yates post retirement bullshit. they even explained how Dillet fucked up his diuretics that time he seized up on stage.
I vaguely remember that. I was just learning about lifting so that chemical stuff didnt interest me.
is any of that infor still around? Itd be interesting to see it now that I know a little more. :D
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hahahahhaha
man i got lots of fun reading your stupid post :D why u got so mad bro? why u get offended so much? i may not have so much experience with hormone usage like u.. u claim that i know nothing about hormones and im a 165 lbs "beast" with 15 inch arms just because i didnt believe u... thats so childish man.. grow the fuck up..
anyone on this board who has seen my before and after pics know where i came from im not the biggest but im not the biggest user also... i try to get under 8% with minimal drugs and than i will start my preparation for my first competition ever... i hope u will remember your words when u see my upcoming photos in coming months..
don't worry, I won't.
biggest user doesn't equal biggest guy.
you're a skinny nobody, and you'll always be a skinny nobody.
you're 8%? I hope so, because 165lbs at 10% should be embarrassing.
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I vaguely remember that. I was just learning about lifting so that chemical stuff didnt interest me.
is any of that infor still around? Itd be interesting to see it now that I know a little more. :D
i have no idea if it got archived. mayhem went down ages ago and i have no clue if any of it is saved. i just remember it was a huge thread that was MOSTLY between chad and milos, but nasser and others popped in as well. if i'm not mistaken, chick or tom or someone even said "guys you might not wanna be doing this".
ah, those old days. hell i think i'm one of the few here who actually saw tom prince's famous 230 lb claim (spoiler: he never said what everyone claims).
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nasser should have had that one mr. o
agreed
Nasser was the best that day
he matched yates from the back poses and was dominating in the side and front poses
Dorian shaded Nasser in 1 pose- the back double biceps
everything else nasser clearly superior
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Did you have to call him "Dyslexic?" ...... damn!
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agreed
Nasser was the best that day
he matched yates from the back poses and was dominating in the side and front poses
Dorian shaded Nasser in 1 pose- the back double biceps
everything else nasser clearly superior
He didn't match Yates from the back or the side.
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agreed
Nasser was the best that day
he matched yates from the back poses and was dominating in the side and front poses
Dorian shaded Nasser in 1 pose- the back double biceps
everything else nasser clearly superior
Nasser matched Yates from the back and dominated from the side? Not likely.
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he matched yates from the back poses and was dominating in the side and front poses
Credibility lost.
He was not anywhere near Dorian from the back, and only marginally from the side.
Nasser took the FBD, A&T, and arguably the side chest IMHO.
He lost the RDB, RLS, FLS, Side Tri, and all the quarter turns (Front may be arguable)
Even if we give him the FDB, A&T, Side Chest, and Front 1/4, He still loses 6-4. And thats being generous. He literally had no back next to Yates.
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Nasser matched Yates from the back and dominated from the side? Not likely.
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yates reacted better to diuretics
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Dorian looks small right there.
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yates reacted better to diuretics
Yates was the most intense and regimented bodybuilder on earth. Nasser was the Gary Strydom of his era and ultimately, took the low road with synthol abuse. And if I recall, it was Nasser who got DQ'd for diuretics a year prior in '96, losing his 3rd place spot. Yates claims to have not used them that year, passed the test, and still dominated.
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Yates was the most intense and regimented bodybuilder on earth. Nasser was the Gary Strydom of his era and ultimately, took the low road with synthol abuse. And if I recall, it was Nasser who got DQ'd for diuretics a year prior in '96, losing his 3rd place spot. Yates claims to have not used them that year, passed the test, and still dominated.
::) his intensity contributed to many of his injuries
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i have no idea if it got archived. mayhem went down ages ago and i have no clue if any of it is saved. i just remember it was a huge thread that was MOSTLY between chad and milos, but nasser and others popped in as well. if i'm not mistaken, chick or tom or someone even said "guys you might not wanna be doing this".
ah, those old days. hell i think i'm one of the few here who actually saw tom prince's famous 230 lb claim (spoiler: he never said what everyone claims).
I saw all that stuff.
that discussion happened about years after I'd spoken with milos and Nasser about their opinions on insulin.
I didn't speak with them at the same time. it was separately and I don't believe I mentioned one to the other.
wasn't till years later that I'd heard Nasser had been working with milos, even though he denied it.. so that'd explain why the initial 'protocol's they went over were similar.
both their advice to me was similar. I was clear I already had insulin and was going to use it. I'd mentioned what I was using at the time and what I'd planned on doing in the future.
neither gave me any 'lecture'. I wasn't exactly a little punk kid with 6 months of 'working out' under my belt.
milos went into more detail as to why you're doing what you're doing and when, ect.. I think milos just liked to talk to people who would listen and ask informed questions.
Nasser said 'well, since you will never be on stage against me or be a threat to me, I will tell you this and I will help you', or something very similar... along with later explaining that he and other pro's had 'reached their maximum' with steroids many years ago, and the only thing that helps them continue to grow was gh. (years later after hearing things about milos, I find it odd he didn't say "gh AND insulin" since Nasser was a hyper-responder to insulin).
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Yates was the most intense and regimented bodybuilder on earth. Nasser was the Gary Strydom of his era and ultimately, took the low road with synthol abuse. And if I recall, it was Nasser who got DQ'd for diuretics a year prior in '96, losing his 3rd place spot. Yates claims to have not used them that year, passed the test, and still dominated.
I think dorian said he used a diuretic that wasn't on the list.
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::) his intensity contributed to many of his injuries
As well as his 6 Sandows.
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I think dorian said he used a diuretic that wasn't on the list.
Don't think so.
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Nasser matched Yates from the back and dominated from the side? Not likely.
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that's gotta be '96.. with jp fux in the back.
top pic the black guy looks like Ronnie, but the next one down looks like shawn ray (both in blue trunks)
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that's gotta be '96.. with jp fux in the back.
top pic the black guy looks like Ronnie, but the next one down looks like shawn ray (both in blue trunks)
Its 97.
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I don't mean they saiid what kinda stuff was in a cycle, I mean they said exactly what the cycles were, what brands, when and how much it cost. and they were HUGE cycles. not that Yates post retirement bullshit. they even explained how Dillet fucked up his diuretics that time he seized up on stage.
lol,is there a link to that thread?
my goodness what a bitch ass move from the flex editor.what a pussy
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In the above pics Dorian dominated. If Nasser cried about being robbed then he was a crying bitch.
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lol,is there a link to that thread?
my goodness what a bitch ass move from the flex editor.what a pussy
man i wish. but after mayhem got nuked everything went kapoof. so unless one of the old heads around here (as in back in the days when the x board was a big deal) saved it somewhere it's probably lost forever. :-\
that was back in the glory days of BB boards. when pros and drug gurus posted on the regular and once in a while a goddamn war started up. i remember REALLY specifically from the thread a story milos told about how nasser and chad intentionally misled another "nutritionist" into completely fucking up his guy's pre-contest prep and then laughing about it. we talk now about how bodybuilding is all drugs, but that was the thread that proved it. as epic as a lot of threads have been over the years, there's really nothing that touches the day milos, chad, and nasser blew the doors open.
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man i wish. but after mayhem got nuked everything went kapoof. so unless one of the old heads around here (as in back in the days when the x board was a big deal) saved it somewhere it's probably lost forever. :-\
that was back in the glory days of BB boards. when pros and drug gurus posted on the regular and once in a while a goddamn war started up. i remember REALLY specifically from the thread a story milos told about how nasser and chad intentionally misled another "nutritionist" into completely fucking up his guy's pre-contest prep and then laughing about it. we talk now about how bodybuilding is all drugs, but that was the thread that proved it. as epic as a lot of threads have been over the years, there's really nothing that touches the day milos, chad, and nasser blew the doors open.
just shows you the kind of people this industry attracts. .. who the fuck intentionally fucks a guy up and then laughs about it?
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just shows you the kind of people this industry attracts. .. who the fuck intentionally fucks a guy up and then laughs about it?
man, i know of some contest prep guru assholes, who cather to the gullible, and wil only tell them how and what if they use their services and buy their heavily overpriced bunk gear.
the ones who play most important are the biggest assholes.
on the other hand, theres some very good people who will tell you in 20minutes everything you need to know, assuming you got a knowlege foundation.
i have seen some dumb ass athletes literaly being addicted to their ripoff gurus, ie on their own they dont know what the fuck to do, totaly confused.
this is ridiculous, bc all the way until one maxes out on steroids, theres no much special stuff to know.
after that comes small gh dose, this is manageable on one self too.
after that things get complicated indeed.nobody sane in their head should go to this stage anyway.
one example is our "disgusted", he will tell you a quick summary for free anytime,and hes right there one of the best.
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man, i know of some contest prep guru assholes, who cather to the gullible, and wil only tell them how and what if they use their services and buy their heavily overpriced bunk gear.
the ones who play most important are the biggest assholes.
on the other hand, theres some very good people who will tell you in 20minutes everything you need to know, assuming you got a knowlege foundation.
i have seen some dumb ass athletes literaly being addicted to their ripoff gurus, ie on their own they dont know what the fuck to do, totaly confused.
this is ridiculous, bc all the way until one maxes out on steroids, theres no much special stuff to know.
after that comes small gh dose, this is manageable on one self too.
after that things get complicated indeed.nobody sane in their head should go to this stage anyway.
one example is our "disgusted", he will tell you a quick summary for free anytime,and hes right there one of the best.
agreed. Jim (disgusted) is a good guy, were lucky to have him.
Dorian didnt need a guru, dude just logically thought out his diet and druh regime and did it, it dossnt seem like there is a shit ton to it... timing being rhe hardest parts... I feel like people over complicate it rarher than playing by the KISS rule ....
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agreed
Nasser was the best that day
he matched yates from the back poses and was dominating in the side and front poses
Dorian shaded Nasser in 1 pose- the back double biceps
everything else nasser clearly superior
Rear lat spread? Rear biceps? Side-tri, side chest, front lat?
Nasser had a killer ab/thigh, but so did Dorian. If they were close on any one pose, that was it. Otherwise, Nasser took the front biceps, most-muscular and standing relaxed from the front shots. But he was in no way comparable, or even close, from the sides and back.