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Title: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: anabolichalo on December 26, 2013, 12:42:35 PM
i'm so fucked


seems like nothing is gonna bring up them delts

Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 26, 2013, 12:44:41 PM
Looks like you ain't got no genes bro.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Tito24 on December 26, 2013, 12:47:17 PM
heavy back training when do good is enough delt training
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: anabolichalo on December 26, 2013, 12:53:54 PM
Have u tried less weight, higher reps, and less rest between sets?

Biomechanically u should be able to limit trap involvement by not heaving the dumbells up.
yeah been doing 22lbs dumbels and feels like all traps to the point of pain in them
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Tito24 on December 26, 2013, 12:54:59 PM
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Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Teutonic Knight on December 26, 2013, 01:00:31 PM
i'm so fucked


seems like nothing is gonna bring up them delts



Ana you should join www.iron-age-classic-bodybuilding.com
Those AAU Mr.America's would love yours posts  ;)
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: anabolichalo on December 26, 2013, 01:02:48 PM
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Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Nicademus on December 26, 2013, 01:15:03 PM
getbig is the Jerusalem of bb boarding

I was thinking more like Alabama.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: tommywishbone on December 26, 2013, 01:22:53 PM
This is a good start A. You're learning. Drop side laterals from your shoulder training for 3 months. Find a substitute, there are dozens, and then revisit seated side laterals in 3 months if you are not happy with your deltoid's results.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: BIG ACH on December 26, 2013, 02:45:13 PM
When doing side lateral raises:

1.  Make sure you bring the dumbells down to your side (not to the front of you)
 
2.  When you go up, make sure your arms are parallel to the ground (not any higher)

3.  Hold the dumbells in a way that the back of your palm (where your pinky is) is closest to the weight, and when you bring your arms up, keep your wrists slightly bent forward (as if the weight is going to fall forward from your hands to the ground - pinky side higher than you thumb side)

Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: wes on December 26, 2013, 02:51:25 PM
Do seated Bradford presses immediately followed by laterals behind your back,immediately followed by wide grip upright rows to lower pec area.......thank me later for the new side delt mass.

You`ll have to train lighter but the lack of rest will more than compensate by the increased intensity it creates...lighter weight feels real heavy real fast and your delts will scream in pain.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: warez4gold on December 26, 2013, 02:53:43 PM
study jason genova's sickening deltoid and pectorals majors training videos.  only then will you be able to fully grasp training the deltoidz.  trust in the sith lord.

-goldy
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Wolfox on December 26, 2013, 02:59:26 PM
You're raising them too high.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: a_pupil on December 26, 2013, 03:00:34 PM
Do seated Bradford presses immediately followed by laterals behind your back,immediately followed by wide grip upright rows to lower pec area.......thank me later for the new side delt mass.

You`ll have to train lighter but the lack of rest will more than compensate by the increased intensity it creates...lighter weight feels real heavy real fast and your delts will scream in pain.

i saw you post that somewhere else and i took your advice. bradford presses are good.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: wes on December 26, 2013, 03:02:53 PM
i saw you post that somewhere else and i took your advice. bradford presses are good.
Thanks,I find that they are one of the best shoulder moves due to the continuous tension.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on December 26, 2013, 03:05:03 PM
With shoulder raises, the deltoids serve to push the weight OUT

The traps serve to pull the weight UP

Concentrate on pushing the dumbbells out away from your body, don't worry about trying to lift them up.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: calfzilla on December 26, 2013, 03:06:27 PM
Try less weight and all these other great suggestions.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on December 26, 2013, 03:07:45 PM
Whenever people at the gym ask me for delt help, I always make them grab the 10lb dumbells, sit in a chair, and do lateral raises that break parallel. Tempo is 3 count up, brief pause, 3 count down.

I've rarely had anyone make it to 20 reps without having to drop the weight because their delts are on fire.

IMO there's no magic movement. Just learning to control the weight with maximal contraction and tension, while going slow enough to feel the movement and minimize any swing.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: wes on December 26, 2013, 03:10:23 PM
With shoulder raises, the deltoids serve to push the weight OUT

The traps serve to pull the weight UP

Concentrate on pushing the dumbbells out away from your body, don't worry about trying to lift them up.
Really good advice.

I find that if you do laterals with light dumbells held at the outside of your quads and you then learn to "pull" with your side delt,or "push" like you said,it is the best way for a person to harness the mind/muscle connection........the most important aspect of training.

Learning to feel the laterals this way,then slowly building up to decent poundages later on and doing regular laterals is the best way for a person to train if they aren`t feeling the delts working.

too many people go way too heavy on laterals thus working traps as opposed to delts.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Wolfox on December 26, 2013, 03:11:45 PM
Cables is where it's at. Dat dere constant tension.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Henda on December 27, 2013, 01:41:53 AM
Do them one arm at a time and pivot out with delt rather than lifting trap to initiate movement.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on December 27, 2013, 01:44:58 AM
Thanks,I find that they are one of the best shoulder moves due to the continuous tension.
what is  radford press? Never heard of them
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: bebop396 on December 27, 2013, 01:48:11 AM
Cut out all isolation movements, take a month off from training delts, then just do front presses, your shoulders will grow again...
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: trapz101 on December 27, 2013, 03:03:07 AM
drop the weight,when you doing it right even with 25lbs db will fry yor delt at 10-12 reps
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 27, 2013, 05:38:49 AM
what is  radford press? Never heard of them
That was my Fathers name now dead. I think maybe press two motorcycle engines overhead.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on December 27, 2013, 06:09:09 AM
That was my Fathers name now dead. I think maybe press two motorcycle engines overhead.
lol that would be something.

Didnt you inheritate (is that the right word) i bike from him?
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: wes on December 27, 2013, 06:19:32 AM
Mensa,Bradord presses are done by taking a barbell either seated or standing,and pressing it to the front,but,as the bar reaches the top of the head,you lower it behind your neck,then just clearing the top of the head again,lower it to the front.

Thus you are pressing front,then back behind the neck,never locking out,just clearing the top of the head......great continuous tension if done smoothly.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 27, 2013, 06:25:57 AM
lol that would be something.

Didnt you inheritate (is that the right word) i bike from him?
Got two motorcycles from him, inherited is the word. Yamaha's a 1100 and a 550 much better than getting two rickshaw's. You got to take steroids to ride the 1100 it weighs like 700lbs a twink cant handle it.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: wes on December 27, 2013, 06:27:08 AM
Got two motorcycles from him, inherited is the word. Yamaha's a 1100 and a 550 much better than getting two rickshaw's.
When I lived in Florida,I knew a guy named Rick Shaw.

I`m also on my 3rd. cup of coffee.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 27, 2013, 06:28:48 AM
When I lived in Florida,I knew a guy named Rick Shaw.

I`m also on my 3rd. cup of coffee.
That name sounds as a used car dealer.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: wes on December 27, 2013, 06:31:18 AM
Interestingly enough,he was a used car dealer !!  :D
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 27, 2013, 06:37:38 AM
Interestingly enough,he was a used car dealer !!  :D
I knew it.  8)
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Natural Beast on December 27, 2013, 06:41:51 AM
if u only feel ur traps by doing this exercise ur going too heavy or u do the exercise wrong... 
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: wes on December 27, 2013, 06:42:14 AM
I knew it.  8)
;D
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: dj181 on December 27, 2013, 07:02:34 AM
Mensa,Bradord presses are done by taking a barbell either seated or standing,and pressing it to the front,but,as the bar reaches the top of the head,you lower it behind your neck,then just clearing the top of the head again,lower it to the front.

Thus you are pressing front,then back behind the neck,never locking out,just clearing the top of the head......great continuous tension if done smoothly.

they're also called rainbows

try this one analblow

(http://www.musclemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Lying-Lateral-Raise.jpg)

(http://bicepsmania.com/myfiles/zasobnik/shoulders/stredni/ramena029.jpg)

(http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/exerciseImages/sequences/170/Male/l/170_2.jpg)
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: wes on December 27, 2013, 07:05:57 AM
they're also called rainbows

try this one analblow

(http://www.musclemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Lying-Lateral-Raise.jpg)

(http://bicepsmania.com/myfiles/zasobnik/shoulders/stredni/ramena029.jpg)

(http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/exerciseImages/sequences/170/Male/l/170_2.jpg)
RAINBOWS   ???

Gay post reported.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on December 27, 2013, 07:37:46 AM
Got two motorcycles from him, inherited is the word. Yamaha's a 1100 and a 550 much better than getting two rickshaw's. You got to take steroids to ride the 1100 it weighs like 700lbs a twink cant handle it.
thats cool. Early 80s bikes?
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: dj181 on December 27, 2013, 07:38:36 AM
RAINBOWS   ???

Gay post reported.

lol this is the fella that taught me that lift and he called it rainbows, so would you like to say something to his face about it :D :D :D

(http://www.my2sense.biz/images/JM_pic_005.jpg)

btw, did you ever attend any of the olympias in the last 70s when they were held in Columbus when King Zane reigned supreme

and btw, you look pretty damn good dude (no homo)

(http://www.isteroids.com/images/frank-zane.jpg)
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: wes on December 27, 2013, 07:40:48 AM
I`d slap him upside the head!  :D

Never hit any Olympias unfortunately.

Thanks,you`ve made good gains yourself......now get on some injectables and blow up!  ;)
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: DroppingPlates on December 27, 2013, 07:43:24 AM
lol this is the fella that taught me that lift and he called it rainbows, so would you like to say something to his face about it :D :D :D

(http://www.my2sense.biz/images/JM_pic_005.jpg)


That's a buffed gay bear (no homo)

BTW, incline side raise is the straight name of that exercise. A good one.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: wes on December 27, 2013, 07:46:26 AM
No DP,those are called "rainbows" !

::)
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: dj181 on December 27, 2013, 07:48:56 AM
No DP,those are called "rainbows" !

::)

rainbows is another name for the bradford press chief

Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: DroppingPlates on December 27, 2013, 07:49:02 AM
No DP,those are called "rainbows" !

::)

I'm sorry for crushing your gay pride!
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Wez on December 27, 2013, 07:50:20 AM
That's JM Blakely!
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: wes on December 27, 2013, 07:50:36 AM
I'm sorry for crushing your gay pride!
Apology accepted!  ;D
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: wes on December 27, 2013, 07:51:15 AM
rainbows is another name for the bradford press chief


Named after James Bradford my friend...........Google it.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: anabolichalo on December 27, 2013, 07:53:31 AM
my traps are still sore from pumping them light dumbelss

brutal trap exercise, side raises


i think i will not do them again, pointless
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: affeman on December 27, 2013, 07:57:08 AM
99,5 % of guys you're seeing in the gym are doing them wrong. Take notes:

Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: anabolichalo on December 27, 2013, 07:58:51 AM
99,5 % of guys you're seeing in the gym are doing them wrong. Take notes:


my traps hurt just watching that
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: DroppingPlates on December 27, 2013, 08:00:29 AM
rainbows is another name for the bradford press chief



It's the same stuff as with multi-press/Smith machine, preacher curl/Scott curls, etc.. I don't believe in patent policy.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: affeman on December 27, 2013, 08:03:28 AM
my traps hurt just watching that

For people too dumb to execute them with dumbbells, they've invented machines. Go for smth like this:

(http://www.muskelschmiede.de/images/stories/katalog/schultern/0910_seithebemaschine.jpg)
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: anabolichalo on December 27, 2013, 08:06:02 AM
For people too dumb to execute them with dumbbells, they've invented machines. Go for smth like this:

(http://www.muskelschmiede.de/images/stories/katalog/schultern/0910_seithebemaschine.jpg)
exactly the same

i tried it


i think i dont have medial deltoid there for
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: DroppingPlates on December 27, 2013, 08:06:08 AM
For people too dumb to execute them with dumbbells, they've invented machines. Go for smth like this:

(http://www.muskelschmiede.de/images/stories/katalog/schultern/0910_seithebemaschine.jpg)

They don't do shit to me, the burn is gone in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 27, 2013, 08:14:09 AM
thats cool. Early 80s bikes?
yes
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Natural Beast on December 27, 2013, 08:14:11 AM
For people too dumb to execute them with dumbbells, they've invented machines. Go for smth like this:

(http://www.muskelschmiede.de/images/stories/katalog/schultern/0910_seithebemaschine.jpg)

so u mean all of the iffb pros are too dumb to do this exercise with dumbbells :D  i only saw phil doing lateral raises with dumbbells even kai and wolf are doing machine
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: g.m on December 27, 2013, 08:22:44 AM
do some roids moron...if that dont work go jump off a bridge loser..
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: BIG ACH on December 27, 2013, 08:39:07 AM
For people too dumb to execute them with dumbbells, they've invented machines. Go for smth like this:

(http://www.muskelschmiede.de/images/stories/katalog/schultern/0910_seithebemaschine.jpg)

I found the trick with those is not to grip the handle bars, just light rest your palms on it.  (at least in the lighter sets, gets kinda hard to do in the heavier sets)
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Grape Ape on December 27, 2013, 08:42:01 AM
If his fake delts aren't developing from fake heavy weightlifting and fake steroids at this point, they're not going to.

They would have by now.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: DroppingPlates on December 27, 2013, 08:53:17 AM
I found the trick with those is not to grip the handle bars, just light rest your palms on it.  (at least in the lighter sets, gets kinda hard to do in the heavier sets)

Yup, that's the way I did them during an injury period where I wasn't able to hold a DB in extended position.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on December 27, 2013, 10:30:38 AM


If you can't figure out how to do laterals with 10lb dumbells, maybe lifting isn't for you.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on December 27, 2013, 10:33:24 AM

If you can't figure out how to do laterals with 10lb dumbells, maybe lifting isn't for you.

Hahaha you don't say :D

Also, keep in mind that a muscle doesn't have to be sore in order to have been worked.  Your delts are still gonna get stimulated, even if it's only your traps that end up sore
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Grape Ape on December 27, 2013, 10:40:13 AM
I dunno - if you can't get your shoulders to grow from just lifting weights over your head and chest work, I don't see much hope.

Add in the fact ("fact") that he's using gear, even moreso.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on December 27, 2013, 10:41:58 AM
I dunno - if you can't get your shoulders to grow from just lifting weights over your head and chest work, I don't see much hope.

Add in the fact ("fact") that he's using gear, even moreso.

Yeah good point as well  :D

Esp on gear you should be able to get a pump From 10 mins of squeezing any muscle
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Henda on December 27, 2013, 10:45:39 AM
they're also called rainbows

try this one analblow

(http://www.musclemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Lying-Lateral-Raise.jpg)

(http://bicepsmania.com/myfiles/zasobnik/shoulders/stredni/ramena029.jpg)

(http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/exerciseImages/sequences/170/Male/l/170_2.jpg)


the little gay bastard homosexual gentleman is correct those lying side laterals are a great excercise.

but 'rainbows' haha what a fag
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on December 27, 2013, 10:48:08 AM
And for an excellent quad pump, I highly recommend High Knee Fairy Skipping supersetted with Sparkly Butterfly Lunges.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Tapeworm on December 27, 2013, 10:55:21 AM
Heavy laterals, ohp behind the neck, and BDB's upright rows.  You'll have some awesome bursitis in no time.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on December 27, 2013, 10:56:04 AM
Heavy laterals, ohp behind the neck, and BDB's upright rows.  You'll have some awesome bursitis in no time.


Lol truth
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: njflex on December 27, 2013, 11:00:06 AM
they're also called rainbows

try this one analblow

(http://www.musclemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Lying-Lateral-Raise.jpg)

(http://bicepsmania.com/myfiles/zasobnik/shoulders/stredni/ramena029.jpg)

(http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/exerciseImages/sequences/170/Male/l/170_2.jpg)
cutler has really downsized quick...
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Grape Ape on December 27, 2013, 11:09:16 AM
And for an excellent quad pump, I highly recommend High Knee Fairy Skipping supersetted with Sparkly Butterfly Lunges.

I took your advice, but added a weighted vest to these.  I should shit glitter tonight.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: jr on December 27, 2013, 12:30:58 PM
If you don't have shoulders by now with the juice, you will never have them. It's called genetics. Give up on ever having big proportionate shoulders.

Or you need to inject oil into the shoulders, to take it to the next level of narcissism.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KlUjstc404U/UME4BgtvbZI/AAAAAAAAMmg/n8AYg2vn0Gc/s1600/carrot-top-shoulders-steroids.jpg)

I've got the opposite problem, shoulders grow faster and out of proportion to the arms, the only direct exercise I do for shoulders is 3 sets of lateral raises. Inderectly by bench and rows/chinups. My rear delts look like they are filled with synthol after a workout.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Nirvana on December 27, 2013, 01:25:47 PM
get your traps strong as fuck then delt raises won't be enough to stress them.  I used to have the same problem. my traps were just too weak.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: anabolichalo on December 27, 2013, 01:27:12 PM
get your traps strong as fuck then delt raises won't be enough to stress them.  I used to have the same problem. my traps were just too weak.

oh yeah lets build huge traps on a narrow deltless physique

great plan
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: dj181 on December 27, 2013, 01:52:31 PM
oh yeah lets build huge traps on a narrow deltless physique

great plan

how's your pecs?
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: anabolichalo on December 27, 2013, 01:55:05 PM
how's your pecs?
dont really care much

i see progress
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: jr on December 27, 2013, 02:08:02 PM
Haven't you seen pro bodybuilders with weak or lagging body parts.

These guy take massive amounts of various drugs, dedicate their entire lives to training, eating and resting.

And still can't get certain body parts to grow to be in proportion.

Then some will resort to injecting oil to compensate.

Ruhls triceps, johnny jacksons calves, big dan hills every body part.

By all means hit those delts from 50 different angles with magical exercises.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: wes on December 27, 2013, 02:21:09 PM
oh yeah lets build huge traps on a narrow deltless physique

great plan
Excellent point!  :D
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: jr on December 27, 2013, 06:05:41 PM
(http://oi41.tinypic.com/2ekszus.jpg)
(http://oi43.tinypic.com/2n7e1c1.jpg)

This guy claims natural,  shoulders look suspect?

Those small arms won't get any girls thoiugh...
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: njflex on December 27, 2013, 06:08:56 PM
(http://oi41.tinypic.com/2ekszus.jpg)
(http://oi43.tinypic.com/2n7e1c1.jpg)

This guy claims natural,  shoulders look suspect?

Those small arms won't get any girls thoiugh...
if he's clean ok.. good delts,some build there,if he's on he should march right up to his dealer and punch him right in the mouth for selling him drugs that caused his arms and chest to gain nothing in terms of drugged muscle thickness .
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Parker on December 27, 2013, 06:22:15 PM
Haven't you seen pro bodybuilders with weak or lagging body parts.

These guy take massive amounts of various drugs, dedicate their entire lives to training, eating and resting.

And still can't get certain body parts to grow to be in proportion.

Then some will resort to injecting oil to compensate.

Ruhls triceps, johnny jacksons calves, big dan hills every body part.

By all means hit those delts from 50 different angles with magical exercises.
To be fair,,both JOJ's quads AND calves looked better when he first turned Pro, from what I remember.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: Wiggs on December 27, 2013, 06:24:05 PM
To be fair,,both JOJ's quads AND calves looked better when he first turned Pro, from what I remember.

That's because everything else was smaller.
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: jr on December 27, 2013, 06:29:18 PM
if he's clean ok.. good delts,some build there,if he's on he should march right up to his dealer and punch him right in the mouth for selling him drugs that caused his arms and chest to gain nothing in terms of drugged muscle thickness .

There is a vein in the round delts, that automatically means steroid use, I learnt this on getbig

What about that defined delt pec tie in? Do naturals have this?
Title: Re: i feel like delt raise are killing my traps but not do shit for delts
Post by: njflex on December 27, 2013, 06:30:42 PM
There is a vein in the round delts, that automatically means steroid use, I learnt this on getbig
lol,,,