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Title: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: LiftEaTsLeEpRePeAt on January 02, 2014, 03:36:58 PM
What causes cancer.  Some say it cant be avoided and even cured from changes in your diet.   Any thoughts or ideas behind this matter
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Marty Champions on January 02, 2014, 04:17:33 PM
What causes cancer.  Some say it cant be avoided and even cured from changes in your diet.   Any thoughts or ideas behind this matter


yes beginning and end of thread
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 02, 2014, 04:25:14 PM
YES YES YES.

It's not bro science.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on January 02, 2014, 04:27:33 PM
FACT: Cancer is a mutation of normal cells, that thrives in 1) hypoxic environment 2) acidic environment 3) a glucose fueled environment.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Deadpool on January 02, 2014, 04:28:28 PM
FACT: Cancer is a mutation of normal cells, that thrives in 1) hypoxic environment 2) acidic environment 3) a glucose fueled environment.

thanks for ruining this thread with facts
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on January 02, 2014, 04:38:17 PM
thanks for ruining this thread with facts


Oops. I mean......Unrinsed beef causes cancer....
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Emmortal on January 02, 2014, 05:33:23 PM
Avoid grains, dairy products and have a diet primarily of green vegetables and fruit would probably almost guarantee never getting cancer, diabetes or anything else for that matter.  Throw in some fish every now and then and that's really all you need.  The amount of protein we need is grossly overstated.

Also living in a rural area devoid of power plants and pollution.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: ether on January 02, 2014, 05:59:51 PM
Cancer is a bitch.
You can not prevent it with diet, that is just nonsense.
So what, the baby born with a meuroblastoma should have been going keto in utero?
Give me a fucking break.

Typical human behavior trying to come to terms with things they can not understand or control.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: LiftEaTsLeEpRePeAt on January 02, 2014, 06:31:03 PM
Cancer is a bitch.
You can not prevent it with diet, that is just nonsense.
So what, the baby born with a meuroblastoma should have been going keto in utero?
Give me a fucking break.

Typical human behavior trying to come to terms with things they can not understand or control.

so what would you suggest we do??   its been proven that diet can shrink cancer cells and tumors.... so what have you to say about that
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 02, 2014, 06:33:34 PM
Cancer is a bitch.
You can not prevent it with diet, that is just nonsense.
So what, the baby born with a meuroblastoma should have been going keto in utero?
Give me a fucking break.

Typical human behavior trying to come to terms with things they can not understand or control.


Yes, you can. This has been researched tirelessly. You CAN prevent cancer with dietary changes. Obviously this doesn't apply to all cases but it DOES work for some.

So why not? A person has nothing to lose by cleaning up their diet.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: rooseveltdunn on January 02, 2014, 06:50:36 PM
Yes, you can. This has been researched tirelessly. You CAN prevent cancer with dietary changes. Obviously this doesn't apply to all cases but it DOES work for some.

So why not? A person has nothing to lose by cleaning up their diet.

Now you are reaching; there is not scientific proof that that shows cancer can be prevented,the chances of developing some types of cancer can be reduced by avoiding bad lifestyle choices but even that isn't 100% true, some people develop lung cancer even without smoking, a lot of women can still get breast, uterine and ovarian cancer regardless of their lifestyles, the notion that cancer can be prevented through diet is nothing but pseudo science peddled by the naive and the deceitful. There are a lot of vegetarians that have caught cancer after spending their entire lives watching their diets, same with other forms of diet adherents. Truth is, we don't know enough about cancer to know what can truly prevent it, all we have is conjecture based on the little we know at the moment.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on January 02, 2014, 08:12:42 PM
Cancer is a bitch.
You can not prevent it with diet, that is just nonsense.
So what, the baby born with a meuroblastoma should have been going keto in utero?
Give me a fucking break.

Typical human behavior trying to come to terms with things they can not understand or control.


But what about the mothers lifestyle choices while the fetus was in utero? Something to be considered as well.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: TommyBoy on January 02, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
FACT: Cancer is a mutation of normal cells, that thrives in 1) hypoxic environment 2) acidic environment 3) a glucose fueled environment.

Wait, no more caffeine? WTF nature. I hate you. Although I can get behind low carbs.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on January 02, 2014, 08:21:00 PM
Ether: what's your take on PET scans that utilize The FDG glucose analogue to determine highly metabolic cancerous areas, and, how would you feel this relates to the consumption of a high carb diet?

I don't see too many oncologists discussing this issue and it seems to be of grave importance.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: galeniko on January 02, 2014, 08:23:46 PM
diabetes will lead to cancer very very often.


keep that in mind you fat fucks.

but the mechanism why and exactly how it happens isnt known, or thered be a preventive cure.

but smoking and diabetes are on top.

chiro, not sure if the cells come to be bc of glucose or just get worse when they already there bc of glucose, its not the same thing.

but to much glucose is also other wording for diabetes 2.so yah.

Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on January 02, 2014, 08:30:40 PM
diabetes will lead to cancer very very often.


keep that in mind you fat fucks.

but the mechanism why and exactly how it happens isnt known, or thered be a preventive cure.

but smoking and diabetes are on top.

chiro, not sure if the cells come to be bc of glucose or just get worse when they already there bc of glucose, its not the same thing.

but to much glucose is also other wording for diabetes 2.so yah.



We KNOW, that cancer loves glucose. I doesn't appreciate ketones in the same way. We also know that most cancer cells contain insulin receptors.

Add this up and what does this lead you to believe??

Not saying there a for sure direct link but by all means there appears to be a relationship.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: galeniko on January 02, 2014, 08:35:32 PM
We KNOW, that cancer loves glucose. I doesn't appreciate ketones in the same way. We also know that most cancer cells contain insulin receptors.

Add this up and what does this lead you to believe??

Not saying there a for sure direct link but by all means there appears to be a relationship.
i thinkt he relatioship is this:

diabetes will often lead to cancr and when the diabetes melitus is there, it gets out of control.

the issue at hand is, ppl have no idea how easy it is to get diabetes 2.

a normal person who doesnt work out and eats what considered a "normal" diet ,is at very high risk.

consecutive carb meals,if one doesnt do sports, will destroy insulin sensitivity within.......days.

if one carries on, the insulin serum levels will be permanently elevated and its a foolproof way to diabetes 2.

we are agreeing here.

Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: ether on January 03, 2014, 09:10:37 PM
Ether: what's your take on PET scans that utilize The FDG glucose analogue to determine highly metabolic cancerous areas, and, how would you feel this relates to the consumption of a high carb diet?

I don't see too many oncologists discussing this issue and it seems to be of grave importance.

Many cancers do not take up fdg (example hepatocellular carcinoma - what killed Derek Anthony)
Don't know if diet can help in treating a cancer, hell it couldn't hurt
But to claim it could prevent cancer, bold faced lie
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on January 03, 2014, 09:15:48 PM
Many cancers do not take up fdg (example hepatocellular carcinoma - what killed Derek Anthony)
Don't know if diet can help in treating a cancer, hell it couldn't hurt

Interesting Doc, thanks for your take.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: cephissus on January 03, 2014, 09:42:22 PM
"Cancer" comprises a whole hell of a lot of "things", hth
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Novena on January 04, 2014, 12:21:53 AM
Fossils have been found of dinosaurs that had cancer.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: smoothasf on January 04, 2014, 12:52:06 AM
Thyroid difficiency causes cancer. Do whatever it takes to keep this healthy.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: MONSTER_TRICEPS on January 04, 2014, 01:43:46 AM
Fossils have been found of dinosaurs that had cancer.

Well maybe these tyrannosaurs should lay off the heme iron and simple carbs. They would still be around today.  ::)
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: anabolichalo on January 04, 2014, 01:48:07 AM
my understanding


*genetics

*external factors (radiation, chemicals,..)
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Marty Champions on January 04, 2014, 05:18:42 AM
lots of bros thinking cutting sugar is the answer

they forget heme-iron + sugar = eventual cancer

sugar alone is good

youre going to have alot less cancer eating rice beans and potatoes /veggies
than meat and veggies
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on January 04, 2014, 06:40:47 AM
lots of bros thinking cutting sugar is the answer

they forget heme-iron + sugar = eventual cancer

sugar alone is good

youre going to have alot less cancer eating rice beans and potatoes /veggies
than meat and veggies

Sugar is shit.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Novena on January 04, 2014, 07:06:36 AM
Fossils have been found of dinosaurs that had cancer.

Well maybe these tyrannosaurs should lay off the heme iron and simple carbs. They would still be around today.  ::)

Unsurprisingly you have missed my point.  Long before the industrial age, sugar, and what all, there were organisms contracting cancers.  One third of patients with lung cancer never smoked.  Sometimes the dna splits wrong.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: BikiniSlut on January 04, 2014, 04:37:37 PM
Sugar is shit.

This x infinity.

Falcon frequently talks out of his ass.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on January 05, 2014, 02:46:05 AM
This x infinity.

Falcon frequently talks out of his ass.

Sugar is killing the falcon and he doesn't even know it.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Marty Champions on January 05, 2014, 06:25:17 AM
Sugar is shit.
wrong

part of cancer growth is the lack of oxygen in cells

the more acid the less oxygen

here is the renal acid load food chart

http://www.saeure-basen-forum.de/pdf/IPEV-Food_table.pdf
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Mr Nobody on January 05, 2014, 06:30:37 AM
wrong

part of cancer growth is the lack of oxygen in cells

the more acid the less oxygen

here is the renal acid load food chart

http://www.saeure-basen-forum.de/pdf/IPEV-Food_table.pdf
Looks like Raisins and Figs are whipping ass here.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on January 05, 2014, 12:54:23 PM
wrong

part of cancer growth is the lack of oxygen in cells

the more acid the less oxygen

here is the renal acid load food chart

http://www.saeure-basen-forum.de/pdf/IPEV-Food_table.pdf

Sugar is acidic.

What you?
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: The Ugly on January 05, 2014, 01:07:31 PM
Genes.

And cigarettes, sometimes.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on January 05, 2014, 01:11:08 PM
Genes.

And cigarettes, sometimes.

Don't forget that genes are expressed through our environment. We change and manipulate our DNA one a daily basis according to our environment.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 05, 2014, 01:13:54 PM
According to one of our resident right wing religious nuts on here, cancer (and MS, retardation and other birth defects) is simply the result of parental sins. If your parents were sinners, you are going to pray the price for their transgressions by one (or more) of these. 

Never mind a scientific explanation behind it. 
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on January 05, 2014, 01:15:07 PM
According to one of our resident right wing religious nuts on here, cancer (and MS, retardation and other birth defects) is simply the result of parental sins. If your parents were sinners, you are going to pray the price for their transgressions by one (or more) of these. 

Never mind a scientific explanation behind it. 

Seems legit.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: The Ugly on January 05, 2014, 01:23:55 PM
According to one of our resident right wing religious nuts on here, cancer (and MS, retardation and other birth defects) is simply the result of parental sins. If your parents were sinners, you are going to pray the price for their transgressions by one (or more) of these. 

Never mind a scientific explanation behind it. 

But why pay attention to it?
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: MONSTER_TRICEPS on January 08, 2014, 01:05:33 PM
Unsurprisingly you have missed my point.  Long before the industrial age, sugar, and what all, there were organisms contracting cancers.  One third of patients with lung cancer never smoked.  Sometimes the dna splits wrong.


No shit. Monster sarcasm detection.  :D
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: Rami on January 08, 2014, 01:21:39 PM
Cooked starches and meat triggers a rise in white blood cells as it is perceived a foreign substance by the body. So the body then stores all these unidentifiable substances together with water and fat in the cells and tissues which makes them bigger and impede optimal blood circulation, thus increase the risk for cancer.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: _bruce_ on January 08, 2014, 02:56:55 PM
Some people say that all cancers are "ignited" by intense psychological trauma... who knows.
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: MONSTER_TRICEPS on January 09, 2014, 02:27:04 AM
Some people say that all cancers are "ignited" by intense psychological trauma... who knows.

Are you suggesting that DA's liver cancer might have been caused by his massive meltdowns on getbig, bruce?
Title: Re: Cancer......... bro science edition
Post by: _bruce_ on January 09, 2014, 06:46:54 AM
Are you suggesting that DA's liver cancer might have been caused by his massive meltdowns on getbig, bruce?

Definitely - the doctors and G Men were full of enthusiasm regarding Derek's "revival" until the CIA scanned his Internet history.
Even the gentle Greys and Draconians, weakened by his showoff vortex, dematerialized all the while murmuring "Oil's well but not ends well...".