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Thailand is a fairly big medical tourism hub. Walk into a Hostpital like Bumrungrad and you could be forgiven for thinking you just arrived in a 5 star hotel.
They use the same drugs as the US, most of the doctors are trained in the US. Many at places like Harvard.
At Bumrungrad, considered one of the top 3 international hospitals here, where perhaps 50% of the clientele are from overseas, expect to pay the following:
Room & Board - about $200-$300 a night depending on the room type you choose ($4,800 in the US)
CT Scan - about $750 ($7,983 in the US)
Anastheasia - about $100-$300 - depending on duration ($4,562 in the US)
And this is considered EXPENSIVE for Thailand.
With the Room & Board - most rooms have a sofa bed so family can stay. There's no visiting hours, you can come when you want and stay all night if you like. The rooms all have 42" wall TVs with cable TV.
Recent trips we have had there - my wife had our daughter, a C-section and 4 nights in hopsital - they do a package for the whole thing including all tests, doctors/surgeons fees, IV meds but not including dressings. Total cost came to $3,500
You are absolutely getting gouged in the US - sure labor is cheaper out here but standard of care is top notch. There is no reason for these prices.
Here is a room in the maternity ward.... standard room...
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You know shit is fucked up when a hospital in new jersey was charging $80,000 and a hospital in NYC was charging $11,000 for the same exact procedure. This just proves there is no objective criteria. Hospitals will charge whatever they want.
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Would have cost you nothing in Australia.
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Would have cost you nothing in Australia.
This thread is just another prove that Michael Moore was telling the truth in Sicko.. ;D
Is that the reason why he is so hated, because he is telling the truth? Americans don't want to hear truth, they like fairytales much more.. And when Obama try to change this crappy health care system, they hate Obama. Damn how smart they are..
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This thread is just another prove that Michael Moore was telling the truth in Sicko.. ;D
Is that the reason why he is so hated, because he is telling the truth? Americans don't want to hear truth, they like fairytales much more.. And when Obama try to change this crappy health care system, they hate Obama. Damn how smart they are..
For most Americans, the thought of paying an extra $.001 in taxes and possibly helping someone else is abhorrent because that is Communism.
On the other hand, getting ripped off by a hospital for $250,000 is fine because that is Capitalism.
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Come to the UK and you get healthcare for free.
Be stuck on a filthy ward, with 20 sick people and 2 nurses running around.
The Dr appears for about 45 mins and gives each patient 2-3 minutes of his time with the curtain drawn - and neither prescribes or recommends anything.
My grandad had one horrible, rock-hard little pillow whilst in agony with cancer so we took him our own bedding in, and he stuck 2.5ft away from a guy whom had lung cancer.
This guy was coughing constantly and fighting for his breath. Whilst we were there they drew the curtains and the priest came along to give him his last fairy tale.
When your a "paying" customer they treat you far better. Ive had private healthcare and it's night and day in comparison. Your own room - choose something to eat off a menu etc.
In the UK we have no choice, they take the money in taxes and that's that. There is no "opt out" policy for those who want to make their own arrangements.
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Very informative post pedro. Thank you.
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Come to the UK and you get healthcare for free.
Be stuck on a filthy ward, with 20 sick people and 2 nurses running around.
The Dr appears for about 45 mins and gives each patient 2-3 minutes of his time with the curtain drawn - and neither prescribes or recommends anything.
My grandad had one horrible, rock-hard little pillow whilst in agony with cancer so we took him our own bedding in, and he stuck 2.5ft away from a guy whom had lung cancer.
This guy was coughing constantly and fighting for his breath. Whilst we were there they drew the curtains and the priest came along to give him his last fairy tale.
When your a "paying" customer they treat you far better. Ive had private healthcare and it's night and day in comparison. Your own room - choose something to eat off a menu etc.
In the UK we have no choice, they take the money in taxes and that's that. There is no "opt out" policy for those who want to make their own arrangements.
I had experience with a national health hospital last year and it was excellent. My family member was rushed in as an emergency and was in for 7 days. For private care you can get BUPA for around £100 per month. Or about half what it costs to smoke 20 cigarettes a day.
The trouble with the USA is that doctors, insurance companies, hospitals and drug companies are allowed to act as collusive oligopolies and make unregulated excess profits.
The 0.1% of the capital holders make a shit load of money from the poor 99.9% all in the name of freedom and democracy. After all, anything else would be Communistical would it not. ??? This is because Americans do not accept their place as blue or white collar ordinary Joes. They are brainwashed into thinking they too will be millionaires one day and will become part of the 0.1%. Laughable really and sad in a way but I guess we are all just jealous of their freedom. ::)
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You know shit is fucked up when a hospital in new jersey was charging $80,000 and a hospital in NYC was charging $11,000 for the same exact procedure. This just proves there is no objective criteria. Hospitals will charge whatever they want.
Each state has its own insurance policies & companies. The kicker is that insurance companies do not have to compete across state lines which is what they wanted.
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For most Americans, the thought of paying an extra $.001 in taxes and possibly helping someone else is abhorrent because that is Communism.
On the other hand, getting ripped off by a hospital for $250,000 is fine because that is Capitalism.
So, this is right wing nonsense. The sooner people realise helping others IS helping ourselves, the better off the planet will be. A community of sick people can only be bad for the Individual.
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Come to the UK and you get healthcare for free.
Be stuck on a filthy ward, with 20 sick people and 2 nurses running around.
The Dr appears for about 45 mins and gives each patient 2-3 minutes of his time with the curtain drawn - and neither prescribes or recommends anything.
My grandad had one horrible, rock-hard little pillow whilst in agony with cancer so we took him our own bedding in, and he stuck 2.5ft away from a guy whom had lung cancer.
This guy was coughing constantly and fighting for his breath. Whilst we were there they drew the curtains and the priest came along to give him his last fairy tale.
When your a "paying" customer they treat you far better. Ive had private healthcare and it's night and day in comparison. Your own room - choose something to eat off a menu etc.
In the UK we have no choice, they take the money in taxes and that's that. There is no "opt out" policy for those who want to make their own arrangements.
I admit, the system isn't perfect, but it sure beats paying tens of thousands of dollars to get your appendix taken out. And for those who can afford it, private health insurance is still an option.
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I had experience with a national health hospital last year and it was excellent. My family member was rushed in as an emergency and was in for 7 days. For private care you can get BUPA for around £100 per month. Or about half what it costs to smoke 20 cigarettes a day.
The trouble with the USA is that doctors, insurance companies, hospitals and drug companies are allowed to act as collusive oligopolies and make unregulated excess profits.
The 0.1% of the capital holders make a shit load of money from the poor 99.9% all in the name of freedom and democracy. After all, anything else would be Communistical would it not. ??? This is because Americans do not accept their place as blue or white collar ordinary Joes. They are brainwashed into thinking they too will be millionaires one day and will become part of the 0.1%. Laughable really and sad in a way but I guess we are all just jealous of their freedom. ::)
Good Post
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Health care system is so overrated in US. There are much more important issues to discuss such as gun control.
By the way I hope he did not have to take a loan from the bank to pay that bill.
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For most Americans, the thought of paying an extra $.001 in taxes and possibly helping someone else is abhorrent because that is Communism.
On the other hand, getting ripped off by a hospital for $250,000 is fine because that is Capitalism.
what's abhorrent is having gov't force you to either get healthcare or pay a 1, 2, or 2.5% FINE based on your gross income. (like a FINE you get for breaking the law)
then you get healthcare that you can afford MONTHLY (say, 200$) and you can't afford to use it because the deductible is fucking 3x your gross monthly income.
so, you either pay the fine and still don't have healthcare and if you get sick, go to the ER and get a bill for 120k next month and eventually get sued
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pay 10% of your income towards health insurance that you can't afford to use anyways, and still get sued when you get sick and can't pay the hospital bill... (or won't pay... come collect fuckers)
and when the hospital finds out you have insurance, they'll milk your stay for everything they can and turn a 1 night stay into a MANDATORY 4 night stay and when you go to check out (because you can't afford to miss another day of work... how you gonna afford to pay the insurance if you're not working??), they make you sign out against doctors orders and you get stuck with the entire bill because insurance won't pay a dime.
fucking socialists.
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usa has no1 medical system
other failed economies should stop and redo thier system based on usa success
usa standard of living by far #1
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In Romania is different, obviously. There is medical insurance and hospital fees. Dismal stuff. However, if you don't tip the doctors, they will not operate on you.
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In Romania is different, obviously. There is medical insurance and hospital fees. Dismal stuff. However, if you don't tip the doctors, they will not operate on you.
easy fix...
"hey doc, here's your tip; if you don't operate on my wife/kid/family, I'm gonna burn your house down.. with your wife and kids in it.... then about a year later, when you're done mourning, I'm gonna come find you again, and cut off your hands with an axe. Hope this helps.. good day"
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You're delusionnal.
I'm french, some money is directly cutt from my salary for health system, and i need to pay a private insurance because so much health care are poorly or not managed by the social system (tooth eye etc).
so the "free" social security cost me at least 250 euros each month, and i go to the doctor once a year for a doctor's certificate for the sport.
On the other side thousand of ppl are coming in France for healthcare holiday, and health is free for illegal alien (even tooth and eye, plastic surgery, medical assisted procreation).
This is socialism.
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Maybe Michael Moore can help you Americanos? :D
In Austria the system is pretty swell but the swarm of foreigners+local lowlives is rapidly clogging up the system.
Typical ambulance situation
Mongrel - "Doctore, me belly be hurtin'... what does me do?"
Doctor - "Try ripping a fart asshead!!!"
Plus it's steadily diverging into a two class system where when you're really into healing up and knowing your ills you have to pay and be connected.
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Still beats the third world country you really come from, where some crackhead cuts you open with dirty tools, and you die from some infection that had been easily treatable for 100 years.
Good luck out there in the third world lol.
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Calling complete bull shit on that democratic propaganda medical bill. It's for an agenda.
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Thailand is a fairly big medical tourism hub. Walk into a Hostpital like Bumrungrad and you could be forgiven for thinking you just arrived in a 5 star hotel.
They use the same drugs as the US, most of the doctors are trained in the US. Many at places like Harvard.
At Bumrungrad, considered one of the top 3 international hospitals here, where perhaps 50% of the clientele are from overseas, expect to pay the following:
Room & Board - about $200-$300 a night depending on the room type you choose ($4,800 in the US)
CT Scan - about $750 ($7,983 in the US)
Anastheasia - about $100-$300 - depending on duration ($4,562 in the US)
And this is considered EXPENSIVE for Thailand.
With the Room & Board - most rooms have a sofa bed so family can stay. There's no visiting hours, you can come when you want and stay all night if you like. The rooms all have 42" wall TVs with cable TV.
Recent trips we have had there - my wife had our daughter, a C-section and 4 nights in hopsital - they do a package for the whole thing including all tests, doctors/surgeons fees, IV meds but not including dressings. Total cost came to $3,500
You are absolutely getting gouged in the US - sure labor is cheaper out here but standard of care is top notch. There is no reason for these prices.
Here is a room in the maternity ward.... standard room...
Old Powerlifting buddy of mine recently had a hip replacement here at the Chiang Mai RAM,
He said the cost worked out 10 times cheaper than it would have back in the states,
They done a perfect job on him as well, he feels like a new man..
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Obama is a puppet... he's only doing what his masters tell him to do.
Republican or democrat... it does not matter.
The US is too far gone to save it and it only gets worse from here.
Get prepared.
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For most Americans, the thought of paying an extra $.001 in taxes and possibly helping someone else is abhorrent because that is Communism.
On the other hand, getting ripped off by a hospital for $250,000 is fine because that is Capitalism.
Your problem is that you mix up words and sayings like common sense and communism. It is common sense to pay next to nothing for future health services. Communism is political ideology which has died long time ago.
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My achilean tendon surgery required a kit. It costed 400$. There was an additional maybe 50-70 $ I paid on top of it. Was lucky because I knew people that knew some people.
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Your problem is that you mix up words sayings like common sense and communism. It is common sense to pay next to nothing for future health services. Communism is political ideology which has died long time ago.
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Come to the UK and you get healthcare for free.
Be stuck on a filthy ward, with 20 sick people and 2 nurses running around.
The Dr appears for about 45 mins and gives each patient 2-3 minutes of his time with the curtain drawn - and neither prescribes or recommends anything.
My grandad had one horrible, rock-hard little pillow whilst in agony with cancer so we took him our own bedding in, and he stuck 2.5ft away from a guy whom had lung cancer.
This guy was coughing constantly and fighting for his breath. Whilst we were there they drew the curtains and the priest came along to give him his last fairy tale.
When your a "paying" customer they treat you far better. Ive had private healthcare and it's night and day in comparison. Your own room - choose something to eat off a menu etc.
In the UK we have no choice, they take the money in taxes and that's that. There is no "opt out" policy for those who want to make their own arrangements.
Not sure what shithole dump area the hospital you're talking about is in, but where I went with my kidney stones it was great. Shared my ward with two older boys only, had a choice menu and food were superb. Got my CT scan done within the hour of walking in and saw the doctor 20min later for the diagnosis. Only stayed there for a few nights. Saw a urologist twice a day, nurses came round hourly. Pretty damn good I'd say. They even got me a cab home. This was Hampstead Royal Free by the way. I had two more scans booked after that. Got it a week after getting out and the last one a month later to confirm I was in the clear.
My bill in the end?
£0
I'm happy to pay my NI for this service.
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This thread is just another prove that Michael Moore was telling the truth in Sicko.. ;D
Is that the reason why he is so hated, because he is telling the truth? Americans don't want to hear truth, they like fairytales much more.. And when Obama try to change this crappy health care system, they hate Obama. Damn how smart they are..
That's a dumb human trait. Despise the truth. Dumb dumb people.
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usa has no1 medical system
other failed economies should stop and redo thier system based on usa success
usa standard of living by far #1
No you don't my friend. Not even close. And this is coming from someone that thoroughly enjoys visiting the States and have done so countless times the last 15 years. Feel free to google the statistics.
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The solution is to eliminate health insurance and go to a cash system. Free market.
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Old Powerlifting buddy of mine recently had a hip replacement here at the Chiang Mai RAM,
He said the cost worked out 10 times cheaper than it would have back in the states,
They done a perfect job on him as well, he feels like a new man..
Tell him to go back - he could probably get one fairly cheap.
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YES!
I love this thread.
Notice the moronic "Conservatives" are not chiming in.
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YES!
I love this thread.
Notice the moronic "Conservatives" are not chiming in.
Exactly! We have the ACA now so stories like this are all but over thankfully
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Exactly! We have the ACA now so stories like this are all but over thankfully
Not going to happen. The ACA is just a continuation of the the for profit "healthcare" system. Until we go to single payer, its going to continue onwards.
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The solution is to eliminate health insurance and go to a cash system. Free market.
As Michael Moore mentioned in his legendary film, USA has it's share of similar services, which are paid by communistic system, aka taxes. For example: libraries, police department, fire department, schools etc. Why health care should be different? Answer: IT IS JUST A BUSINESS in USA. If you don't got the money, they don't help you. In other words, they decide if you live or die. In all other matters no one has legal right to leave anybody to die, but US health care business has that right. In other words, if you don't have the money, you life isn't worth of saving, and some fucking health insurance company make this decision for you. Nice, quite nice. And if this bloke who star this thread with his appendicitis doesn't have that 11000$ which he has to pay, what next? He needs the money, so he has to borrow them, and next he has payment plan for next few years, and mortgage etc. to cover it. If he can't pay, bank take the house. That is quite a lot of shit falling on the guy just because he got sick. How to prevent this? COMMUNISM!!! YIPPIKAYEE...wait a minute...I mean common sense ;D
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Obama is a puppet... he's only doing what his masters tell him to do.
Republican or democrat... it does not matter.
The US is too far gone to save it and it only gets worse from here.
Get prepared.
Truth
Those puppet strings are controlled by insurance companies, oil companies, banks, military contractors and pharmaceutical companies.
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YES!
I love this thread.
Notice the moronic "Conservatives" are not chiming in.
Where is Coach when we need him?
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Where is Coach when we need him?
I can do a Coach if you're missing him;
'You liberals just don't understand. Never trust a liberal. Liberal. The left just don't understand. You don't understand. Liberal. The left'
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Not going to happen. The ACA is just a continuation of the the for profit "healthcare" system. Until we go to single payer, its going to continue onwards.
I dont get the "moronic conservatives chiming in" part then. They'd chime in to say the ACA is a disaster too. Sounds like everyone is a moron?
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This is because Americans do not accept their place as blue or white collar ordinary Joes. They are brainwashed into thinking they too will be millionaires one day and will become part of the 0.1%.
Yeah I hear that on a daily basis from all my blue collar friends ::)
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Yeah I hear that on a daily basis from all my blue collar friends ::)
This guy thinks in a similar way it seems...
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Guy at the gym is as far right as they come. Totally against universal health care etc. What I have learned about the guy is that he personally went bankrupt twice in a 12 year period. Laughs about how he charged up his credit cards to the max the week before going bankrupt. He said his lawyer told him to do it...A total kunt to the 10th degree...
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This thread is just another prove that Michael Moore was telling the truth in Sicko.. ;D
Is that the reason why he is so hated, because he is telling the truth? Americans don't want to hear truth, they like fairytales much more.. And when Obama try to change this crappy health care system, they hate Obama. Damn how smart they are..
i cant believe how americans cant look outside the box or their own borders to see that theres many mnay far superior systems.
sure, none are "free", but way superior.
they complain about obamacare, but even that is a shit contruction compared to europe.
fuck, too dumb and greedy(hey its my money), but its ok to be totaly ripped off when sick.
some say but hey have the best doctors, how comes the best doctors go there.
haha how comes,you dumb fucks, bc they earn most money there from the suckers.
the american ppl are being fucked throughout, oraly,mentaly,analy,everywhere by the various lobbyists.
its incomprehensible to me.
this is not a left right politics issue,this is plain stupidity.
yes, a day in hospital costs a shitton of money, and its not worth it to take a loan for that,or even worse,sell the house thats on a mortgage anyway in most cases.
my goodness, i see so much dumbness i dont know where to start the list.
the reality is, many americans work for piss por wages, and another reality is that medical bills are very expensive.
we here pay monthly mandatory insurance, i gladly pay, so fucking what if someone elses health benefits from that.why be a selfish girl in a first world nation.
theres no dispute,no argument, no nothing, i will never listen to any american healthcare system supporter.
they go shopping for meds in mexico,this says it all.
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For most Americans, the thought of paying an extra $.001 in taxes and possibly helping someone else is abhorrent because that is Communism.
On the other hand, getting ripped off by a hospital for $250,000 is fine because that is Capitalism.
thanks this is exactly what i was thinking.
disgusting behaviour.
its ok, some gota learn the hard way.
when i hear the numerous excuses, could vomit through all pores.
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i cant believe how americans cant look outside the box or their own borders to see that theres many mnay far superior systems.
sure, none are "free", but way superior.
they complain about obamacare, but even that is a shit contruction compared to europe.
fuck, too dumb and greedy(hey its my money), but its ok to be totaly ripped off when sick.
some say but hey have the best doctors, how comes the best doctors go there.
haha how comes,you dumb fucks, bc they earn most money there from the suckers.
the american ppl are being fucked throughout, oraly,mentaly,analy,everywhere by the various lobbyists.
its incomprehensible to me.
this is not a left right politics issue,this is plain stupidity.
yes, a day in hospital costs a shitton of money, and its not worth it to take a loan for that,or even worse,sell the house thats on a mortgage anyway in most cases.
my goodness, i see so much dumbness i dont know where to start the list.
the reality is, many americans work for piss por wages, and another reality is that medical bills are very expensive.
we here pay monthly mandatory insurance, i gladly pay, so fucking what if someone elses health benefits from that.why be a selfish girl in a first world nation.
theres no dispute,no argument, no nothing, i will never listen to any american healthcare system supporter.
they go shopping for meds in mexico,this says it all.
Best Post Ever and I agree 100 percent!
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Come to the UK and you get healthcare for free.
Be stuck on a filthy ward, with 20 sick people and 2 nurses running around.
The Dr appears for about 45 mins and gives each patient 2-3 minutes of his time with the curtain drawn - and neither prescribes or recommends anything.
My grandad had one horrible, rock-hard little pillow whilst in agony with cancer so we took him our own bedding in, and he stuck 2.5ft away from a guy whom had lung cancer.
This guy was coughing constantly and fighting for his breath. Whilst we were there they drew the curtains and the priest came along to give him his last fairy tale.
When your a "paying" customer they treat you far better. Ive had private healthcare and it's night and day in comparison. Your own room - choose something to eat off a menu etc.
In the UK we have no choice, they take the money in taxes and that's that. There is no "opt out" policy for those who want to make their own arrangements.
this is not a very honest post.hell no.
in the uk,theres indirect taxes on goods, cigaretes are expensive bc they not sooo healthy, so this tax doesnt afect non smokers.seems fair to me.
thats the opt out right there.in a way.
then, the hospitals, i been to one, had food poisoning, yes agony, yes pains, and yes had to wait long kinda, but got serviced in very uncomplicated way spent a night there and didnt cost a penny, and im not even uk citizen.
hospital was clean and the 2 nurses story certainly isnt true.
ok, its hard to get dentist appointment in london,this i know.
btw, if you want special services theres always harley street in london, no long waiting there.if you tell americans you got no private option in the uk, which is a straight up lie, they gonna believe it.
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usa has no1 medical system
other failed economies should stop and redo thier system based on usa success
usa standard of living by far #1
ar eyou retarded or taking the piss?
standard of living number 1?haha where and for who?in detroit?
number 1 medical system haha.
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"The trouble with the USA is that doctors, insurance companies, hospitals and drug companies are allowed to act as collusive oligopolies and make unregulated excess profits. "
That is a crock of shit, I can't even phone my buddy down the road and ask what he charges...that is collusion and is a felony. Doctors get fucked over here in the USA. Insurance companies are cleaning house, hospitals are by and large cutting services and not making much profit. When i do a surgery, I don't even collect that much, usually less than 8-10% of what the hospital collects.
What the other Countries are doing is failing. The Eurozone countries will not be able to provide the services they do without raising more in taxes, but their populations are getting so old and are near the end of their careers, they soon will be dipping into the system. The tax base is diminishing.
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"The trouble with the USA is that doctors, insurance companies, hospitals and drug companies are allowed to act as collusive oligopolies and make unregulated excess profits. "
That is a crock of shit, I can't even phone my buddy down the road and ask what he charges...that is collusion and is a felony. Doctors get fucked over here in the USA. Insurance companies are cleaning house, hospitals are by and large cutting services and not making much profit. When i do a surgery, I don't even collect that much, usually less than 8-10% of what the hospital collects.
What the other Countries are doing is failing. The Eurozone countries will not be able to provide the services they do without raising more in taxes, but their populations are getting so old and are near the end of their careers, they soon will be dipping into the system. The tax base is diminishing.
Bear232, throughout the years on getbig you have always brought to the table the truest, most thought provoking posts on a consistent basis.
Spot on as usual.
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"The trouble with the USA is that doctors, insurance companies, hospitals and drug companies are allowed to act as collusive oligopolies and make unregulated excess profits. "
That is a crock of shit, I can't even phone my buddy down the road and ask what he charges...that is collusion and is a felony. Doctors get fucked over here in the USA. Insurance companies are cleaning house, hospitals are by and large cutting services and not making much profit. When i do a surgery, I don't even collect that much, usually less than 8-10% of what the hospital collects.
With all due respect, the reason you do not see the big picture is you are obviously still one of the little players. Doing a bit of surgery here and there, not able to talk to you buddy surgeons etc. Are you not on the payroll of a hospital ? Are you a freelance surgeon? How does that work?
Collusive Oligopolistic behaviour is absolutely a felony. But it absolutely goes on, especially in utility companies, banks, insurance companies etc. in fact every industry which has the financial muscle to have a political advantage gets away with it.
You will learn this as you gain experience in the world and then you may even become one of those you seek to belittle at the moment.
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Galenko,
It's not hard to get a dentist appointment in London at all. I woke up one Sunday morning at 4am with my mouth on fire. And I mean pain like I can't describe. I took lifethreatening amounts of pain pills and it didn't help at all. By 6am I've contacted the NHS Trust who got me a dentist appointment for, wait for it,
6:30am about 3 miles from my house ...
I was diagnosed with needing a root canal with the pain coming from an absess tha formed. And here's the good thing, because there were blood (from popping the absess), treatment was free. That took the pain away instantly. Got my treatment the bed day and crown two weeks later. All free. White crown too :)
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Galenko,
It's not hard to get a dentist appointment in London at all. I woke up one Sunday morning at 4am with my mouth on fire. And I mean pain like I can't describe. I took lifethreatening amounts of pain pills and it didn't help at all. By 6am I've contacted the NHS Trust who got me a dentist appointment for, wait for it,
6:30am about 3 miles from my house ...
I was diagnosed with needing a root canal with the pain coming from an absess tha formed. And here's the good thing, because there were blood (from popping the absess), treatment was free. That took the pain away instantly. Got my treatment the bed day and crown two weeks later. All free. White crown too :)
Well, you save 1000$ just because you live in communist Great Britain ;D
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"The trouble with the USA is that doctors, insurance companies, hospitals and drug companies are allowed to act as collusive oligopolies and make unregulated excess profits. "
That is a crock of shit, I can't even phone my buddy down the road and ask what he charges...that is collusion and is a felony. Doctors get fucked over here in the USA. Insurance companies are cleaning house, hospitals are by and large cutting services and not making much profit. When i do a surgery, I don't even collect that much, usually less than 8-10% of what the hospital collects.
What the other Countries are doing is failing. The Eurozone countries will not be able to provide the services they do without raising more in taxes, but their populations are getting so old and are near the end of their careers, they soon will be dipping into the system. The tax base is diminishing.
Dream on, stupid. Problems in the Eurozone is coming from the same source than many other problems, because European countries has been giving loans to US banks, which can't pay back. That is the main reason of the economic depression in Eurozone. Just pay back those hundreds of billions, and we can drop the taxes 10 -15% in every European country. Your state is in debt up to it's eyeballs, and where do you think all that wasted money has come? From of outer space? It is the money which other countries has lent to USA, and which they never get back, because 80% of those billions got stolen by your capitalist elite. In fact, if we wouldn't have lent those billions to USA, you poor bastards will be starving at the moment, so have some respect ;D
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It is the money which other countries has lent to USA, and which they never get back, because 80% of those billions got stolen by your capitalist elite. In fact, if we wouldn't have lent those billions to USA, you poor bastards will be starving at the moment, so have some respect ;D
Well said. It is the western countries and the china which has lent the money to the yanks to allow them to live beyond their means for years.
It's time this news was released to them. Perhaps we will see some semblance of humbleness from them now.
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"The trouble with the USA is that doctors, insurance companies, hospitals and drug companies are allowed to act as collusive oligopolies and make unregulated excess profits. "
That is a crock of shit, I can't even phone my buddy down the road and ask what he charges...that is collusion and is a felony. Doctors get fucked over here in the USA. Insurance companies are cleaning house, hospitals are by and large cutting services and not making much profit. When i do a surgery, I don't even collect that much, usually less than 8-10% of what the hospital collects.
What the other Countries are doing is failing. The Eurozone countries will not be able to provide the services they do without raising more in taxes, but their populations are getting so old and are near the end of their careers, they soon will be dipping into the system. The tax base is diminishing.
If you want to look at a country where the social programs are causing the country to fail - what about the US? What about your social security commitments amongst other things that have created your record breaking debt?
Fact is - you guys are only getting away with it right now because of your unique position of being in control of what is the de facto worlds currency. If that ever changes (and if it does, it will because you abused that privilege), then the US is bust.
So - whilst there are rising commitments in countries with socialized healthcare, it is a bit silly for you to say this is the cause of the impending doom and to somehow forget that the US is in a much worse position without socialized healthcare.
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Not forgetting of course that he US government spends more per head on healthcare than those European countries with socialized healthcare
(http://danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/per-capita-government-healthcare-spending.jpg)
You guys should not be telling Europeans they have a poor system, you should be asking your government why they spend more but provide less than in Europe.
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Bottom line is, you cannot afford getting sick in US.
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Venezuela has socialized, free health care for all. Yay! ::)
Doctors say Venezuela's health care in collapse
http://news.yahoo.com/doctors-venezuelas-health-care-collapse-051102447.html
(http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/D3CPb_97e1BgmXJtm6oFNg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/b0f6d26f6bb34c25420f6a7067006c2b.jpg)
This Oct. 23, 2013 photo shows a storage room at the Central Hospital in Maracay,Venezuela. Legions of ailing Venezuelans are being neglected by a national health care system that doctors say is now collapsing after months of steady deterioration caused by funding shortfalls, numbing inflation and currency controls. Almost everything needed to mend and heal is in critically short supply: the needles, syringes and paraffin used in biopsies to diagnose cancer; the drugs to treat it; operating room equipment; X-ray film and imaging paper; blood and the reagents needed so it can be used for transfusions.
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/lA6i6wwZcaVJTMnxKKOuzQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/717cc6856bb34c25420f6a70670095ed.jpg)
In this Oct. 23, 2013 photo, a doctor pulls up a mattress cover to show the condition of a hospital bed's cushion, at the Central Hospital in Maracay,Venezuela. Legions of ailing Venezuelans are being neglected by a national health care system that doctors say is now collapsing after months of steady deterioration caused by funding shortfalls, numbing inflation and currency controls. Almost everything needed to mend and heal is in critically short supply: the needles, syringes and paraffin used in biopsies to diagnose cancer; the drugs to treat it; operating room equipment; X-ray film and imaging paper; blood and the reagents needed so it can be used for transfusions
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/s22Aj2DMIfHEvrC7L7atCA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTY0MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz05NjA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/c2c5d85f6bb24c25420f6a706700a739.jpg)
This Oct 30, 2013 photo shows the inside of a damaged refrigerated storage area at the blood bank in Caracas, Venezuela. A year ago, the blood bank was open for 12 hours every day. Now, it only takes donations on weekday mornings. Its funding for January and half of February didn’t arrive until September.
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/7DcASBNlZZgOIJjx8YfM8g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/4c868a716bb24c25420f6a706700061a.jpg)
This Oct 23, 2013 photo shows a patient at rest at the Central Hospital in Maracay,Venezuela. Legions of ailing Venezuelans are being neglected by a national health care system that doctors say is now collapsing after months of steady deterioration caused by funding shortfalls, numbing inflation and currency controls.
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Venezuela has socialized, free health care for all. Yay! ::)
Doctors say Venezuela's health care in collapse
http://news.yahoo.com/doctors-venezuelas-health-care-collapse-051102447.html
(http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/D3CPb_97e1BgmXJtm6oFNg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/b0f6d26f6bb34c25420f6a7067006c2b.jpg)
This Oct. 23, 2013 photo shows a storage room at the Central Hospital in Maracay,Venezuela. Legions of ailing Venezuelans are being neglected by a national health care system that doctors say is now collapsing after months of steady deterioration caused by funding shortfalls, numbing inflation and currency controls. Almost everything needed to mend and heal is in critically short supply: the needles, syringes and paraffin used in biopsies to diagnose cancer; the drugs to treat it; operating room equipment; X-ray film and imaging paper; blood and the reagents needed so it can be used for transfusions.
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/lA6i6wwZcaVJTMnxKKOuzQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/717cc6856bb34c25420f6a70670095ed.jpg)
In this Oct. 23, 2013 photo, a doctor pulls up a mattress cover to show the condition of a hospital bed's cushion, at the Central Hospital in Maracay,Venezuela. Legions of ailing Venezuelans are being neglected by a national health care system that doctors say is now collapsing after months of steady deterioration caused by funding shortfalls, numbing inflation and currency controls. Almost everything needed to mend and heal is in critically short supply: the needles, syringes and paraffin used in biopsies to diagnose cancer; the drugs to treat it; operating room equipment; X-ray film and imaging paper; blood and the reagents needed so it can be used for transfusions
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/s22Aj2DMIfHEvrC7L7atCA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTY0MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz05NjA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/c2c5d85f6bb24c25420f6a706700a739.jpg)
This Oct 30, 2013 photo shows the inside of a damaged refrigerated storage area at the blood bank in Caracas, Venezuela. A year ago, the blood bank was open for 12 hours every day. Now, it only takes donations on weekday mornings. Its funding for January and half of February didn’t arrive until September.
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/7DcASBNlZZgOIJjx8YfM8g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/4c868a716bb24c25420f6a706700061a.jpg)
This Oct 23, 2013 photo shows a patient at rest at the Central Hospital in Maracay,Venezuela. Legions of ailing Venezuelans are being neglected by a national health care system that doctors say is now collapsing after months of steady deterioration caused by funding shortfalls, numbing inflation and currency controls.
Now show some of the European Countries.
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Healthcare in Tanzania. Similar to what we have in the United States and a model the Republicans want to emulate.
Health care in Tanzania is available depending on one's income and accessibility. People in urban areas have better access to private and public medical facilities.
(http://www.caringchoices.org.uk/files/2013/11/African-Hospital.jpg)
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Tanzania has the best Capitalistic Healthcare system in the world. You get what you pay for. True Capitalism. Republican medicine at its finest.
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Not forgetting of course that he US government spends more per head on healthcare than those European countries with socialized healthcare
(http://danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/per-capita-government-healthcare-spending.jpg)
You guys should not be telling Europeans they have a poor system, you should be asking your government why they spend more but provide less than in Europe.
And what will USA get with that money? There is Norway in the top of the list, so let's compare US to that with WHO statistic:
I skip the population figures, so first we see that Gross national income per capita (PPP international $) is 61,460 in Norway, and 48,820 in USA.
Life expectancy at birth m/f (years) 79/83 in Norway, and 76/81 in USA.
Probability of dying under five (per 1 000 live births) 3 in Norway, and 7 in USA.
Probability of dying between 15 and 60 years m/f (per 1 000 population) 77/49 in Norway, and 131/77 in the USA.
Total expenditure on health per capita (Intl $, 2011) 5,674 in Norway, and 8,608 in USA
Total expenditure on health as % of GDP (2011) 9.1 in Norway, and 17.9 in Good Ol' U.S. of A.
It seem to me that they are fucked in every which way it is possible. Those codfish eaters born healthier, got more income, live in better health and they die older than Americans ;D
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Now show some of the European Countries.
Why? How will that negate Venezuela's collapsing, socialized, free health care system? I haven't lived in any European countries.
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Healthcare in Tanzania. Similar to what we have in the United States and a model the Republicans want to emulate.
Not sure if you posted this to contrast my post about Venezuela's collapsing, socialized, free health care system. But you can't compare some poor, African country with Venezuela, one of the world's leading exporters of oil with the largest oil reserves.
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Not sure if you posted this to contrast my post about Venezuela's collapsing, socialized, free health care system. But you can't compare some poor, African country with Venezuela, one of the world's leading exporters of oil with the largest oil reserves.
Are you saying that Venezuela, despite the photo you posted, is a Socialized paradise? :o
Why don`t you like the Tanzanian healthcare system? Its solely based on how much money you have? ???
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Healthcare in Tanzania. Similar to what we have in the United States and a model the Republicans want to emulate.
Health care in Tanzania is available depending on one's income and accessibility. People in urban areas have better access to private and public medical facilities.
(http://www.caringchoices.org.uk/files/2013/11/African-Hospital.jpg)
looks like your typical hospital ward in an enriched part of the uk
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Not sure if you posted this to contrast my post about Venezuela's collapsing, socialized, free health care system. But you can't compare some poor, African country with Venezuela, one of the world's leading exporters of oil with the largest oil reserves.
That treats it's people like shit. power outages, milk shortages...all just normal occurrence's.
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Are you saying that Venezuela, despite the photo you posted, is a Socialized paradise? :o
Why don`t you like the Tanzanian healthcare system? Its solely based on how much money you have? ???
Not sure what you mean here. Sarcasm I guess. :-\
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That treats it's people like shit. power outages, milk shortages...all just normal occurrence's.
Yup, agreed. But Venezuelans enjoy free, socialized health care. Yay! ::)
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I can't understand why some americans here fight to recognize what is obvious to the rest: they're being mugged every time they require medical assistance.
Anyone in the field will tell you there has to be a giant profit if you're paying those figures for the most simple operation. Even in our "socialist" countries we have private hospitals and it costs nowhere near.
Is it communist (lol) if you pay the fair value? only if you want it to be...
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Actually, Europeans should be asking themselves why is it that during the biggest tech revolution of the past 100 years Europe as a whole has been a virtual no show.
Prove me wrong by pointing to the European counterparts to:
Apple
Amazon
Google
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Health insurance industry of gold pieces. ::)
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Actually, Europeans should be asking themselves why is it that during the biggest tech revolution of the past 100 years Europe as a whole has been a virtual no show.
Prove me wrong by pointing to the European counterparts to:
Apple
Amazon
Google
dude, no one is claiming the americans suck. damn, they are very inventive and a great bunch of people overall, but what is the connection to the health system?
you're being robbed. plain and simple
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Actually, Europeans should be asking themselves why is it that during the biggest tech revolution of the past 100 years Europe as a whole has been a virtual no show.
Prove me wrong by pointing to the European counterparts to:
Apple
Amazon
Google
The availability of venture capital funding in the USA is what made these companies succeed in the USA. Plenty of funds owned by the 0.1% built up massive investments pots made possible my the milking of the 99.9% thru things like overpriced medical costs etc.
Amazon was built up by a guy from Glasgow Scotland and where exactly is Amazon located from a tax point of view? Is it American? You may be surprised at the truth. ;)
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the UK system costs a huge amount in hidden taxes, and if you want good quality of life care, just like in the US, you need BUPA or other private insurance.
old people here in the US have 'free' healthcare from medicare, its not great but just as good as the NHS for basic surgery etc.
If you have a good job here in the US and good insurance your quality of health care will piss all over European basic care.
I'm from the UK and lived in other socialized medicine countries like Canada, and what I get here with my job is literally night and day. MRI's done in a day, chose world class surgeons, great drug plans, HRT and all kinds of ancillaries covered etc. Although Obamacare just made my plan a lot worse this year.
Of course it sucks here in the US with no job and no healthcare. And ER charges are insane because homeless people, illegals, and broke people use them as primary doctors, so the ER charges insurance of those who have coverage to make up the shortfall
People with no real life experience of these systems tend to make the most noise about whats 'best'
America has hundreds of millions of obese poor people so the country would be bankrupt if they ever switched to single payer. $10 a gallon gas, national insurance charges on income tax, scrapping all kinds of tax breaks etc. Would be horrific
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Actually, Europeans should be asking themselves why is it that during the biggest tech revolution of the past 100 years Europe as a whole has been a virtual no show.
Prove me wrong by pointing to the European counterparts to:
Apple
Amazon
Google
Yes, as you say, no show. Mercedes Benz, Lamborghini, Ferrari, BMW, Audi, Linux, Nokia, Skype, Spotify..list is endless. If you pull your head out from your ass, you will see that your life is depending on European innovations. Apple = computer made by Chinese with the parts made in Taiwan and China. Dream on, stupid, that is just what your government want you to do. While you are sleeping, 1% of Americans owns more than rest 99%. That is soul of your capitalism, 99% of you are working to keep 1% as rich as it is humanly possible. In fact, you are just slaves of capitalistic elite. Your freedom is just an illusion which is based the brainwash just like they used to do in CCCP. You have been taught in to believe that USA is best place in earth, which it isn't. Just look how your economy is collapsing, state debts etc. which are matters which should be fixed ASAP, but you don't have any means how. Your health care system is only an income transfer from the poor and middle-income to the rich, just as the bag of worms which you call the military budget. You guys keep up the wars just because it means easy money to that 1%.
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In Romania is different, obviously. There is medical insurance and hospital fees. Dismal stuff. However, if you don't tip the doctors, they will not operate on you.
Not sure if serious. ....
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For most Americans, the thought of paying an extra $.001 in taxes and possibly helping someone else is abhorrent because that is Communism.
On the other hand, getting ripped off by a hospital for $250,000 is fine because that is Capitalism.
QFT
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Yes, as you say, no show. Mercedes Benz, Lamborghini, Ferrari, BMW, Audi, Linux, Nokia, Skype, Spotify..list is endless....
Airbus! The A380 is fantastic.
NN
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Yes, as you say, no show. Mercedes Benz, Lamborghini, Ferrari, BMW, Audi, Linux, Nokia, Skype, Spotify..list is endless. If you pull your head out from your ass, you will see that your life is depending on European innovations. Apple = computer made by Chinese with the parts made in Taiwan and China. Dream on, stupid, that is just what your government want you to do. While you are sleeping, 1% of Americans owns more than rest 99%. That is soul of your capitalism, 99% of you are working to keep 1% as rich as it is humanly possible. In fact, you are just slaves of capitalistic elite. Your freedom is just an illusion which is based the brainwash just like they used to do in CCCP. You have been taught in to believe that USA is best place in earth, which it isn't. Just look how your economy is collapsing, state debts etc. which are matters which should be fixed ASAP, but you don't have any means how. Your health care system is only an income transfer from the poor and middle-income to the rich, just as the bag of worms which you call the military budget. You guys keep up the wars just because it means easy money to that 1%.
Holy shit. Talk about a brutal wakeup call. :D I almost feel sorry for the American 99%ers on here reading that wholly accurate but shocking eye opener.
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Come to the UK and you get healthcare for free.
Be stuck on a filthy ward, with 20 sick people and 2 nurses running around.
The Dr appears for about 45 mins and gives each patient 2-3 minutes of his time with the curtain drawn - and neither prescribes or recommends anything.
My grandad had one horrible, rock-hard little pillow whilst in agony with cancer so we took him our own bedding in, and he stuck 2.5ft away from a guy whom had lung cancer.
This guy was coughing constantly and fighting for his breath. Whilst we were there they drew the curtains and the priest came along to give him his last fairy tale.
When your a "paying" customer they treat you far better. Ive had private healthcare and it's night and day in comparison. Your own room - choose something to eat off a menu etc.
In the UK we have no choice, they take the money in taxes and that's that. There is no "opt out" policy for those who want to make their own arrangements.
it varies depending on hospital.
I had op and a weeks stay in the newcastle r.v.i and they were faultless. Ward was cleaned every day. The surgeon even used to visit his patients on his days off.
My son goes to the r.v.i also for his underactive thyroid and they are great.
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Yes, as you say, no show. Mercedes Benz, Lamborghini, Ferrari, BMW, Audi, Linux, Nokia, Skype, Spotify..list is endless. If you pull your head out from your ass, you will see that your life is depending on European innovations. Apple = computer made by Chinese with the parts made in Taiwan and China. Dream on, stupid, that is just what your government want you to do. While you are sleeping, 1% of Americans owns more than rest 99%. That is soul of your capitalism, 99% of you are working to keep 1% as rich as it is humanly possible. In fact, you are just slaves of capitalistic elite. Your freedom is just an illusion which is based the brainwash just like they used to do in CCCP. You have been taught in to believe that USA is best place in earth, which it isn't. Just look how your economy is collapsing, state debts etc. which are matters which should be fixed ASAP, but you don't have any means how. Your health care system is only an income transfer from the poor and middle-income to the rich, just as the bag of worms which you call the military budget. You guys keep up the wars just because it means easy money to that 1%.
Haha
You bitch about the 1% in America, yet the first two companies on your list Mercedes and Ferrari makes car primarily for elites. Btw, those are old companies. I was asking for new companies. Among the biggest tech companies as I said Europe is a no show.
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/8b5d8747feb0ce25924481e6694109cd_zpsde3cd55e.jpg)
The reason for this is the anti-capitalist mentality that you display. Steve Jobs or Jeff Bezos never could've achieved what they did in Europe. In your warped mind guys like that are leeches, when, in fact, they are type who make everyone's life better.
Does Apple only make products for the 1%? Amazon? Google?
I'm continually amazed how much people take for granted. You make it seem like the non one percent have nothing. This is from 2005, but it gives an idea of what it's like to be poor in America:
76 percent have air conditioning.
66 percent have more than two rooms of living space per person.
97 percent own at least one color television.
62 percent have either cable or satellite television.
Almost 75 percent of households own a car (30 percent own two or more).
73 percent own microwave ovens.
More than 50 percent have stereos.
33 percent have automatic dishwashers.
99 percent have refrigerators.
Virtually none lack running water or flushing toilets.
46 percent own their own home, the average of which is a three bedroom house with 1.5 baths, that has a carport and porch or patio, and the average value of which is 70 percent of the median American home.
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the UK system costs a huge amount in hidden taxes, and if you want good quality of life care, just like in the US, you need BUPA or other private insurance.
old people here in the US have 'free' healthcare from medicare, its not great but just as good as the NHS for basic surgery etc.
If you have a good job here in the US and good insurance your quality of health care will piss all over European basic care.
I'm from the UK and lived in other socialized medicine countries like Canada, and what I get here with my job is literally night and day. MRI's done in a day, chose world class surgeons, great drug plans, HRT and all kinds of ancillaries covered etc. Although Obamacare just made my plan a lot worse this year.
Of course it sucks here in the US with no job and no healthcare. And ER charges are insane because homeless people, illegals, and broke people use them as primary doctors, so the ER charges insurance of those who have coverage to make up the shortfall
People with no real life experience of these systems tend to make the most noise about whats 'best'
America has hundreds of millions of obese poor people so the country would be bankrupt if they ever switched to single payer. $10 a gallon gas, national insurance charges on income tax, scrapping all kinds of tax breaks etc. Would be horrific
Great post! Great post indeed!
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Haha
You bitch about the 1% in America, yet the first two companies on your list Mercedes and Ferrari makes car primarily for elites. Btw, those are old companies. I was asking for new companies. Among the biggest tech companies as I said Europe is a no show.
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/8b5d8747feb0ce25924481e6694109cd_zpsde3cd55e.jpg)
The reason for this is the anti-capitalist mentality that you display. Steve Jobs or Jeff Bezos never could've achieved what they did in Europe. In your warped mind guys like that are leeches, when, in fact, they are type who make everyone's life better.
Does Apple only make products for the 1%? Amazon? Google?
I'm continually amazed how much people take for granted. You make it seem like the non one percent have nothing. This is from 2005, but it gives an idea of what it's like to be poor in America:
76 percent have air conditioning.
66 percent have more than two rooms of living space per person.
97 percent own at least one color television.
62 percent have either cable or satellite television.
Almost 75 percent of households own a car (30 percent own two or more).
73 percent own microwave ovens.
More than 50 percent have stereos.
33 percent have automatic dishwashers.
99 percent have refrigerators.
Virtually none lack running water or flushing toilets.
46 percent own their own home, the average of which is a three bedroom house with 1.5 baths, that has a carport and porch or patio, and the average value of which is 70 percent of the median American home.
Another great post! Another great post indeed!
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Among the biggest tech companies as I said Europe is a no show.
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/8b5d8747feb0ce25924481e6694109cd_zpsde3cd55e.jpg)
The reason for this is the anti-capitalist mentality that you display.
You ruin your argument with this graphic. Japan is on that list several times, and according to US standards it is almost a full-blown commie state.
I'm continually amazed how much people take for granted. You make it seem like the non one percent have nothing. This is from 2005, but it gives an idea of what it's like to be poor in America:
76 percent have air conditioning.
66 percent have more than two rooms of living space per person.
97 percent own at least one color television.
62 percent have either cable or satellite television.
Almost 75 percent of households own a car (30 percent own two or more).
73 percent own microwave ovens.
More than 50 percent have stereos.
33 percent have automatic dishwashers.
99 percent have refrigerators.
Virtually none lack running water or flushing toilets.
46 percent own their own home, the average of which is a three bedroom house with 1.5 baths, that has a carport and porch or patio, and the average value of which is 70 percent of the median American home.
And this is considered a big deal? Okay, on housing space (not quality, just space) you have other countries beat. Higher population density means land is expensive here. The rest? Not really impressive.
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Haha
You bitch about the 1% in America, yet the first two companies on your list Mercedes and Ferrari makes car primarily for elites. Btw, those are old companies. I was asking for new companies. Among the biggest tech companies as I said Europe is a no show.
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/8b5d8747feb0ce25924481e6694109cd_zpsde3cd55e.jpg)
The reason for this is the anti-capitalist mentality that you display. Steve Jobs or Jeff Bezos never could've achieved what they did in Europe. In your warped mind guys like that are leeches, when, in fact, they are type who make everyone's life better.
Does Apple only make products for the 1%? Amazon? Google?
I'm continually amazed how much people take for granted. You make it seem like the non one percent have nothing. This is from 2005, but it gives an idea of what it's like to be poor in America:
76 percent have air conditioning.
66 percent have more than two rooms of living space per person.
97 percent own at least one color television.
62 percent have either cable or satellite television.
Almost 75 percent of households own a car (30 percent own two or more).
73 percent own microwave ovens.
More than 50 percent have stereos.
33 percent have automatic dishwashers.
99 percent have refrigerators.
Virtually none lack running water or flushing toilets.
46 percent own their own home, the average of which is a three bedroom house with 1.5 baths, that has a carport and porch or patio, and the average value of which is 70 percent of the median American home.
You mean you don't have Ferrari?
Let look that little bit closer:
76 percent have air conditioning. BECAUSE THEY NEED IT, BECAUSE IT IS WARMER IN MOST PARTS OF USA.
66 percent have more than two rooms of living space per person. BECAUSE THEY NEED IT, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT CONTRACEPTION
97 percent own at least one color television. BECAUSE THEY NEED IT, BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID TO SPEND TIME OUTSIDE THE APARTMENT
62 percent have either cable or satellite television. BECAUSE THEY NEED IT TO WATCH PORN, THOSE WANKERS
Almost 75 percent of households own a car (30 percent own two or more). BECAUSE THEY NEED IT, IT IS A FUCKIN BIG COUNTRY AND GASOLINE IS CHEAP
73 percent own microwave ovens. BECAUSE THEY NEED IT, BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO COOK
More than 50 percent have stereos. BECAUSE THEY NEED IT TO COVER SOUNDS OF THE CRACK HOUSE NEXT DOOR
33 percent have automatic dishwashers. BECAUSE THEY NEED IT WASH DISPOSABLE MICROWAVE DISHES
99 percent have refrigerators. BECAUSE THEY NEED IT TO KEEP BEER COLD IN WARM CLIMATE
Virtually none lack running water or flushing toilets. BECAUSE THEY NEED IT OR THEY SHIT ALL OVER THE PLACE
46 percent own their own home, the average of which is a three bedroom house with 1.5 baths, that has a carport and porch or patio, and the average value of which is 70 percent of the median American home. BECAUSE THEY NEED TO, BECAUSE THERE IS NO REAL OPTIONS OTHER THAN THAT
How about in Europe? We don't have as much air conditioning as you have, but just about everything else is same, only cheaper. You should understand that there is geographical and other reasons why things are how they are, and that has nothing to do with your childish claims. Most of you are ignorant shit kickers, and there is nothing which could change that fact.
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Healthcare in the US is expensive because of government interference in the free market. Government mandates in Healthcare are extremely expensive to comply with thus smaller companies without the funds die out and the monopolies increase. There is also no state vs state competition so HC companies aren't forced to lower their prices from neighboring states. BCBS of Louisiana has a 90% market share....90%!! They didn't get that because they provide better value. They got from laws and regulations bought from the state legislature and the government squashing competitors. What incentive do they have with a 90% market share to improve their service or lower their prices? They also receive HUGE sums of Medicare and Medicaid payments (taxpayer monies). Again, government subsidizing big business.
healthcare like college tuition suffers increasing costs because of direct government subsidization and the cost of regulatory compliance. Remove these and prices WILL fall to what customers can afford.