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That is all.
US Army vet faces 3 years in Canadian prison after mistakenly bringing gun to border, says lawyer
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Published February 07, 2014
FoxNews.com
Gun rights advocates are urging the Canadian government to drop charges against a retired U.S. soldier who says he mistakenly brought a gun into the country due to a faulty GPS directions during a weekend getaway.
Louis DiNatale, the former Army soldier, says he forgot the gun was inside his wife's car, so when he was asked by a Canadian border agent when the last time he had a weapon on him, he responded, "Earlier that week," The Los Angeles Times reported. The border agent searched his wife's car and located a .380 handgun.
'It was an honest mistake'
- Louis Di Natalie
"It was an honest mistake," DiNatale, told Postmedia News Wednesday from Louisville, Ky., where he works as a paralegal. "There's not even a traffic ticket in my background. Why would I come to Canada to bring a small weapon to smuggle in?"
He was handcuffed, jailed for four days and posted bail. His court date is set for June.
DiNatale says he and his wife were on a road trip in September to Vermont when they took the wrong turn in New York.
Bruce Engel, his Canadian lawyer, says DiNatale, 46, is being used by Canada to make a statement not to mess with the borders, the report said. Nearly 1,400 firearms were reportedly seized at Canadian entry points over the past three years.
"They could have done their homework and looked at his background and seen he's a professional," Engel told the paper. "They could have accepted the word of his wife and released him on his own recognizance."
Some gun enthusiasts have called on the country to either reduce or drop charges.
"Why did they not just turn him around at the border? Or take the gun and allow him to turn around and go back," wrote one person reportedly wrote on the website guns.com.
In 2012, a Marine combat veteran who spent four months in a Mexican prison was released after he was arrested at the border after attempting to declare an antique shotgun.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/02/07/retired-us-soldier-faces-3-years-behind-bars-for-bringing-gun-into-canada/
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Why don't you tell us something that we don't already know?
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Why don't you tell us something that we don't already know?
Sorry. :-[
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Sorry. :-[
Why are you apologizing? I was talking about the thread title, not the article. :)
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Why are you apologizing? I was talking about the thread title, not the article. :)
I know. :)
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Canada's is a pretty cool place. I have always liked going there and have been quite a bit over last decade.
I will go there again in November.
They are a little overboard on some laws.
If you have pepper spray in a government building its considered a felony.
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This guy should have known....but I like Canada.
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Their bacon sucks. So does Celine Dion.
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wow, the ignorance if it wasn't a joke
LMAO
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I love Montreal...dated a girl there, good beer, great clubs.
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This is the goal of gun control advocates, to punish and harass ordinary gun owners.
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I agree with the comment in the article that, if anything, they should have taken his gun and turned him around at the border.
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Canada sucks, but I have to side with them here.
This guy needs to grow the fuck up. Want to own a gun, behave like a fucking adult and don't try to take it through the border of another country.
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I thought many people here were for tough border control.
If he was in Canadian territory what did he expect? They have their laws, regardless if someone disagrees with them or not.
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Pretty sure that if one of us fucked up and tried to take a gun across the border to Canada that we too would end up in prison.
You don't go taking guns on planes do you? You know why? Cause you're not a moron.
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I thought many people here were for tough border control.
If he was in Canadian territory what did he expect? They have their laws, regardless if someone disagrees with them or not.
This... Canada pisses me the fuck off sometimes (more the actual Canadians than the country itself), but you don't violate a countries laws 'accidently' and expect to just be let go. It'd be one thing if he informed the mounty of the firearm and said "Shit, sorry, I'm lost", but he didn't.
And I don't know how you can get lost and just "wind up" in Canada. I know the border is VERY, VERY obvious in Washington.
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This... Canada pisses me the fuck off sometimes (more the actual Canadians than the country itself), but you don't violate a countries laws 'accidently' and expect to just be let go. It'd be one thing if he informed the mounty of the firearm and said "Shit, sorry, I'm lost", but he didn't.
And I don't know how you can get lost and just "wind up" in Canada. I know the border is VERY, VERY obvious in Washington.
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Yes. Then the doctors tell you your "feelings" need surgery but you have to wait months for it.
At that point, you board a plane to the USA like many of your politicians and fellow citizens have done and get operated by the best doctors in the world within a few days.
Thanks for playing. You are dismissed now.
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Yes. Then the doctors tell you your "feelings" need surgery but you have to wait months for it.
At that point, you board a plane to the USA like many of your politicians and fellow citizens have done and get operated by the best doctors in the world within a few days.
Thanks for playing. You are dismissed now.
I read an article a while back about issues with socialized mental/emotional healthcare in Europe and Canada. Too many citizens with mental/emotional issues who could benefit from professional counseling are simply prescribed drugs for many years because there aren't enough counselors, physiologists, psychiatrists to see all of them in a timely manner and give them the attention they need.
Yes, those who can afford it and realize that professional counseling can help them and that drugs are not always the solution do go to the USA and other countries to get the professional help that they need, according to the article.
That's one of the problems with socialized medicine, many more people go to the doctor and hospitals because now it's free, and less health care professionals to handle the load because they now get paid much less and there is no longer a financial incentive to choose a career in health care.
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I read an article a while back about issues with socialized mental/emotional healthcare in Europe and Canada. Too many citizens with mental/emotional issues who could benefit from professional counseling are simply prescribed drugs for many years because there aren't enough counselors, physiologists, psychiatrists to see all of them in a timely manner and give them the attention they need.
I think you just diagnosed 24kt's problem.
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I read an article a while back about issues with socialized mental/emotional healthcare in Europe and Canada. Too many citizens with mental/emotional issues who could benefit from professional counseling are simply prescribed drugs for many years because there aren't enough counselors, physiologists, psychiatrists to see all of them in a timely manner and give them the attention they need.
Yes, those who can afford it and realize that professional counseling can help them and that drugs are not always the solution do go to the USA and other countries to get the professional help that they need, according to the article.
That's one of the problems with socialized medicine, many more people go to the doctor and hospitals because now it's free, and less health care professionals to handle the load because they now get paid much less and there is no longer a financial incentive to choose a career in health care.
It's one of the problems but it is clearly better as a model for large scale health initiatives. The US system is bleeding dry and has some of the worst outcomes in the modern world. Less people see a doctor per capita then in Canada.
You guys have the best of the best because of the private, however,those without much money etc are not seeing equal care. Money buys care, which is absurd.
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Meh. The intent of a law like this to prevent guns from being smuggled into the country. If someone made a mistake, even a dumb mistake, he shouldn't be locked up like a violent felon. Ridiculous waste of resources to try and make some political point.
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fascism showing its ugly face
where are the nice tree huggers now?
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Meh. The intent of a law like this to prevent guns from being smuggled into the country. If someone made a mistake, even a dumb mistake, he shouldn't be locked up like a violent felon. Ridiculous waste of resources to try and make some political point.
OH BULLSHIT.
If it was the other way, you'd be saying that he fucked up and should do the time since he did the crime.
Get your hypocritical bullcrap out of here.
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fascism showing its ugly face
where are the nice tree huggers now?
Facism? lol
enforcing a law that was broken is facism? you can't just bring fucking weapons into another country. Ignorance is not a defense, the idiot made a mistake regardless of his intent.
He was negligent
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Meh. The intent of a law like this to prevent guns from being smuggled into the country. If someone made a mistake, even a dumb mistake, he shouldn't be locked up like a violent felon. Ridiculous waste of resources to try and make some political point.
Sorta like all those people spending years in USA jails sucking tax-payer money for a joint? Nah... not even close. ::)
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Canada seems to be a marginally better Europe.
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Sorta like all those people spending years in USA jails sucking tax-payer money for a joint? Nah... not even close. ::)
No, someone making an innocent or dumb mistake is not even close to someone who knowingly violates the law. ::)
Proving why Canada is America's mentally retarded little brother.*
*Credit to El Profeta. :)
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No, someone making an innocent or dumb mistake is not even close to someone who knowingly violates the law. ::)
Proving why Canada is America's mentally retarded little brother.*
*Credit to El Profeta. :)
I didn't know being dumb was a legal defense. You're right though, Canada needs to be more like its brother to the South and bring in legislation like the NDAA and Patriot Act, etc. Then it will be an astute country.
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No, someone making an innocent or dumb mistake is not even close to someone who knowingly violates the law. ::)
Proving why Canada is America's mentally retarded little brother.*
*Credit to El Profeta. :)
No, this is really just you choosing to believe it was a 'dumb' mistake and as far as I'm concerned you don't get 'dumb' mistakes when dealing with guns. Dumb mistakes lead to unnecessary deaths.
Want to own a gun, be a fucking adult. Know where it is, know if it's loaded, know where you are.
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I didn't know being dumb was a legal defense. You're right though, Canada needs to be more like its brother to the South and bring in legislation like the NDAA and Patriot Act, etc. Then it will be an astute country.
Ya, ...we could use such brilliant initiatives like the ones in Tennesse and Kansas. ::)
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/02/13/kansas_anti_gay_segregation_bill_is_an_abomination.html
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No, this is really just you choosing to believe it was a 'dumb' mistake and as far as I'm concerned you don't get 'dumb' mistakes when dealing with guns. Dumb mistakes lead to unnecessary deaths.
Want to own a gun, be a fucking adult. Know where it is, know if it's loaded, know where you are.
QFT!!!
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I didn't know being dumb was a legal defense. You're right though, Canada needs to be more like its brother to the South and bring in legislation like the NDAA and Patriot Act, etc. Then it will be an astute country.
Not a legal defense. Who said that?
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No, this is really just you choosing to believe it was a 'dumb' mistake and as far as I'm concerned you don't get 'dumb' mistakes when dealing with guns. Dumb mistakes lead to unnecessary deaths.
Want to own a gun, be a fucking adult. Know where it is, know if it's loaded, know where you are.
This guy is a retired Sergeant Major. You don't typically get to that rank by being an idiot or being dishonest. So yes, I'm choosing to take him at his word that it was a "dumb" mistake.
This isn't the kind of mistake that results in people dying. You don't give people a pass when they make dumb mistakes that put peoples lives in danger, like making a loaded weapon accessible to kids. But something like this? It's a pretty stupid waste of time and resources. Turn the guy around at the border. Take his gun if they believe it's that important. Don't lock the guy up for four days.
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No, this is really just you choosing to believe it was a 'dumb' mistake and as far as I'm concerned you don't get 'dumb' mistakes when dealing with guns. Dumb mistakes lead to unnecessary deaths.
Want to own a gun, be a fucking adult. Know where it is, know if it's loaded, know where you are.
Best post in this thread.
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This guy is a retired Sergeant Major. You don't typically get to that rank by being an idiot or being dishonest. So yes, I'm choosing to take him at his word that it was a "dumb" mistake.
This isn't the kind of mistake that results in people dying. You don't give people a pass when they make dumb mistakes that put peoples lives in danger, like making a loaded weapon accessible to kids. But something like this? It's a pretty stupid waste of time and resources. Turn the guy around at the border. Take his gun if they believe it's that important. Don't lock the guy up for four days.
An example needs to be set so that more people don't make "dumb mistakes" when it comes to guns.
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An example needs to be set so that more people don't make "dumb mistakes" when it comes to guns.
They're not targeting people who make "dumb mistakes." They're targeting people who are trying to smuggle guns into the country. Locking someone up like this doesn't deter criminals at all.
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They're not targeting people who make "dumb mistakes." They're targeting people who are trying to smuggle guns into the country. Locking someone up like this doesn't deter criminals at all.
You're missing the point, sure it does not deter criminals but what it can do is reduce the number non-criminals who make dumb mistakes with guns that sometimes end up hurting someone, by setting an example to others that it won't be taken lightly and they should be more aware of the whereabouts of their weapons.
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You're missing the point, sure it does not deter criminals but what it can do is reduce the number non-criminals who make dumb mistakes with guns that sometimes end up hurting someone, by setting an example to others that it won't be taken lightly and they should be more aware of the whereabouts of their weapons.
Actually you're missing the point. They didn't pass laws prohibiting guns from being brought into the country to stop law abiding citizens from making dumb mistakes. They were targeting people who intentionally bring guns into the country. Big difference.
And what statistics show that people like that this end up hurting people in Canada?
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They're not targeting people who make "dumb mistakes." They're targeting people who are trying to smuggle guns into the country. Locking someone up like this doesn't deter criminals at all.
Hey, BB, while I think (from more than one personal experience) that Canadian border patrol folks are cork-soakers, what does the law say that leads you to believe that it's targeted specifically at gun smugglers?
Unless the way the law is written makes a distinction between intentionally and unintentionally bringing the gun into Canada, I'd say it's targeted at those who'd unlawfully bring guns into Canada. Period.
That being said, I think that if the guy definitely brought his gun by accident, he shouldn't have to pay as much of a price as some gun smuggler.
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Hey, BB, while I think (from more than one personal experience) that Canadian border patrol folks are cork-soakers, what does the law say that leads you to believe that it's targeted specifically at gun smugglers?
Unless the way the law is written makes a distinction between intentionally and unintentionally bringing the gun into Canada, I'd say it's targeted at those who'd unlawfully bring guns into Canada. Period.
That being said, I think that if the guy definitely brought his gun by accident, he shouldn't have to pay as much of a price as some gun smuggler.
Why would they care if a law abiding citizen brings a lawfully owned gun into the country? I can see wanting to track gun owners through registration, but lawful, responsible gun owners don't put people's lives in danger and don't commit gun crimes.
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Actually you're missing the point. They didn't pass laws prohibiting guns from being brought into the country to stop law abiding citizens from making dumb mistakes. They were targeting people who intentionally bring guns into the country. Big difference.
And what statistics show that people like that this end up hurting people in Canada?
I didn't even read details of the article, but from what I read he was unaware of the whereabouts of a gun that he brought into the country. Any time you aren't even aware of the location of your gun is extremely irresponsible and it could get into the wrong hands without the gun owner even knowing, since he had no idea of it in the first place. This type of idiocy should be punished enough to make other gun owners careful to be more aware of their guns' whereabouts.
I'm also not sure of what exact law they used in their decision or not, all I'm saying is this guy is careless and deserves some kind of punishment due to the nature of the item he was being careless about.
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I didn't even read details of the article, but from what I read he was unaware of the whereabouts of a gun that he brought into the country. Any time you aren't even aware of the location of your gun is extremely irresponsible and it could get into the wrong hands without the gun owner even knowing, since he had no idea of it in the first place. This type of idiocy should be punished enough to make other gun owners want to be more aware of their guns' whereabouts.
I agree it's ok for them to punish him (although they should have just turned him around and sent him back across the border). I don't agree he should have spent four days in jail and be facing an extended prison term. This should be handled with a fine, which is a good enough deterrent for people who make stupid mistakes that don't actually endanger anyone.
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lot of spec op Kids on here. Doubt if most of you know good weapon drills never mind use them.
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Have a nice vacation. See you in a month? :)
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Why would they care if a law abiding citizen brings a lawfully owned gun into the country? I can see wanting to track gun owners through registration, but lawful, responsible gun owners don't put people's lives in danger and don't commit gun crimes.
Who knows what's in the minds of Canucks?
They like hockey, and some of 'em even prefer to speak French, fer Christ's sake.
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Those fries with the cheese abd Gravy are pretty tucking good with their better beer.
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Those fries with the cheese abd Gravy are pretty tucking good with their better beer.
Strange food containing gravy with a name that begins with the sound "poo"?
Call me a wuss but I'm gonna pass, lol.
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This guy is a retired Sergeant Major. You don't typically get to that rank by being an idiot or being dishonest. So yes, I'm choosing to take him at his word that it was a "dumb" mistake.
This isn't the kind of mistake that results in people dying. You don't give people a pass when they make dumb mistakes that put peoples lives in danger, like making a loaded weapon accessible to kids. But something like this? It's a pretty stupid waste of time and resources. Turn the guy around at the border. Take his gun if they believe it's that important. Don't lock the guy up for four days.
It's exactly the type of mistake that results in somebody getting hurt, it just didn't happen in this case. Not knowing where your gun is causes problems. And if he's that much of a 'professional', this never would have happened to begin with.
I've been hunting plenty along the MD and PA border and never once crossed.
Again, he needs to grow the fuck up and be an adult.
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QFT!!!
Fuck off
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It's exactly the type of mistake that results in somebody getting hurt, it just didn't happen in this case. Not knowing where your gun is causes problems. And if he's that much of a 'professional', this never would have happened to begin with.
I've been hunting plenty along the MD and PA border and never once crossed.
Again, he needs to grow the fuck up and be an adult.
I agree someone could get hurt and it's irresponsible to forget about a loaded weapon in your vehicle. I don't know this guy, but I doubt he has problems with maturity, etc. because of his rank and service. Even smart, mature, responsible people make dumb mistakes.
Overall, I just have a problem with locking the guy up for four days and trying to give him an extended prison sentence over this.
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I agree someone could get hurt and it's irresponsible to forget about a loaded weapon in your vehicle. I don't know this guy, but I doubt he has problems with maturity, etc. because of his rank and service. Even smart, mature, responsible people make dumb mistakes.
Overall, I just have a problem with locking the guy up for four days and trying to give him an extended prison sentence over this.
In terms of punishment, I'm on the fence.
We put people in jail way way too much and it doesn't do shit, often making them worse, IMO.
But, we have to respect Canadian law, so...
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In terms of punishment, I'm on the fence.
We put people in jail way way too much and it doesn't do shit, often making them worse, IMO.
But, we have to respect Canadian law, so...
We absolutely have to respect the law of foreign countries when visiting those countries.
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Strange food containing gravy with a name that begins with the sound "poo"?
Call me a wuss but I'm gonna pass, lol.
Wuss !!! ;D
You have no idea what you're missing!
I just finished eating some poutine, ...and it was amazing! :P
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Fuck off
LOL!!! Who pee'd in your cornflakes?
If it offends you that I happen to agree with you when you made very lucid, and well-reasoned points...
Get over it. I may not like you, and you may not like me, ...but I'm not so blinded by rabid hate that I cannot recognize and support a sound argument when I see it, ...even if made by a dickhead. Get your blood pressure checked. Wouldn't want you to have a stroke or something. lol.
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What did El Profeta aka loco once say? "Canada is America's mentally retarded little brother."
Trans teacher known for massive prosthetic breasts returning to Canadian classroom
Principal reportedly said Kayla Lemieux was subject of attention over 'gender expression’
By Brian Flood Fox News
Published August 28, 2023
https://www.foxnews.com/media/trans-teacher-known-massive-prosthetic-breasts-returning-canadian-classroom
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What did El Profeta aka loco once say? "Canada is America's mentally retarded little brother.
Trans teacher known for massive prosthetic breasts returning to Canadian classroom
Principal reportedly said Kayla Lemieux was subject of attention over 'gender expression’
By Brian Flood Fox News
Published August 28, 2023
https://www.foxnews.com/media/trans-teacher-known-massive-prosthetic-breasts-returning-canadian-classroom
;D
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Canada's true colors have been revealed over the past few years. I've traveled there many times in the past but I won't be traveling there ever again.
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Canadian police warn that posting videos of alleged package thieves could be ‘violation' of their privacy
'You cannot post the images yourself because you have to remember, in Canada, we have a presumption of innocence,' the police officer warned
By Alexander Hall Fox News
Published January 11, 2024
https://www.foxnews.com/media/canadian-police-warn-posting-videos-alleged-package-thieves-violation-privacy
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Canadian police warn that posting videos of alleged package thieves could be ‘violation' of their privacy
'You cannot post the images yourself because you have to remember, in Canada, we have a presumption of innocence,' the police officer warned
By Alexander Hall Fox News
Published January 11, 2024
https://www.foxnews.com/media/canadian-police-warn-posting-videos-alleged-package-thieves-violation-privacy
Pure stupidity. The World gets dumber by the day.
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Pure stupidity. The World gets dumber by the day.
Absolutely stupid.
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Reporters asking questions will not be tolerated by Turdeau's regime.
Canadian police arrest conservative journalist on trumped up charge of assault
We have been discussing the rapid decline of free speech protections in Canada under Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. A vivid example of the increasing authoritarian approach was evident this week with the arrest of David Menzies, a reporter for Canada’s conservative Rebel News Network. Menzies was attempting to interview Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland when her security clearly manufactured a criminal charge in front of cameras.
Menzies was attempting to ask Freeland about Canada’s refusal to label Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IGRC) as a terrorist organization. Freeland continues to walk as Menzies attempts get an answer by walking backwards. As he stays with Freeland, a member of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) stands in his way and the result is a slight bump. The officer then immediately carries out an arrest with an eventual charge that Menzies assaulted him.
Trudeau has had a long running feud with Rebel News. Last week, we discussed the irony of how a Russian dissident was denied Canadian citizenship due to a conviction in Russia for speaking against the Ukrainian war (from Canada). Since Canada has the same criminalization of speech laws, Maria Kartasheva was pulled from her ceremony pending further investigation into whether she is a criminal practitioner of free speech.
The arrest of Menzies raises the same comparison to the approach of governments like Putin’s to critics. Note in the video below how the officer positions himself directly in the path of Menzies as he walks back with his back to the officer.
You can judge for yourself on what countries come to mind:
https://jonathanturley.org/2024/01/10/canada-police-arrest-conservative-journalist-on-trumped-up-charge-of-assault/
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Reporters asking questions will not be tolerated by Turdeau's regime.
Canadian police arrest conservative journalist on trumped up charge of assault
We have been discussing the rapid decline of free speech protections in Canada under Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. A vivid example of the increasing authoritarian approach was evident this week with the arrest of David Menzies, a reporter for Canada’s conservative Rebel News Network. Menzies was attempting to interview Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland when her security clearly manufactured a criminal charge in front of cameras.
Menzies was attempting to ask Freeland about Canada’s refusal to label Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IGRC) as a terrorist organization. Freeland continues to walk as Menzies attempts get an answer by walking backwards. As he stays with Freeland, a member of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) stands in his way and the result is a slight bump. The officer then immediately carries out an arrest with an eventual charge that Menzies assaulted him.
Trudeau has had a long running feud with Rebel News. Last week, we discussed the irony of how a Russian dissident was denied Canadian citizenship due to a conviction in Russia for speaking against the Ukrainian war (from Canada). Since Canada has the same criminalization of speech laws, Maria Kartasheva was pulled from her ceremony pending further investigation into whether she is a criminal practitioner of free speech.
The arrest of Menzies raises the same comparison to the approach of governments like Putin’s to critics. Note in the video below how the officer positions himself directly in the path of Menzies as he walks back with his back to the officer.
You can judge for yourself on what countries come to mind:
https://jonathanturley.org/2024/01/10/canada-police-arrest-conservative-journalist-on-trumped-up-charge-of-assault/
No free speech allowed in Canada.
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Clown World.