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Don't get me wrong I'm quite happy with many parts of my adult life, and things for the most part seem to be getting better and better.
However this feeling that all the things I use to like about life have disappeared is really growing on me. The me 5 years ago couldn't be happy with my life now. So much is missing, and hasn't been replaced.
i donno it's a strange thing to explain, but it feels like as an adult there is this constant loss of all things familiar.
P.S. I know most getbiggers don't have emotions, and generally ignore the process of aging but I'm serious.
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Don't get me wrong I'm quite happy with many parts of my adult life, and things for the most part seem to be getting better and better.
However this feeling that all the things I use to like about life have disappeared is really growing on me. The me 5 years ago couldn't be happy with my life now. So much is missing, and hasn't been replaced.
i donno it's a strange thing to explain, but it feels like as an adult there is this constant loss of all things familiar.
P.S. I know most getbiggers don't have emotions, and generally ignore the process of aging but I'm serious.
Whats preventing you from doing the things you liked then versus now?
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Are you on anti depressants? You should be.
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Whats preventing you from doing the things you liked then versus now?
Disinterest. Or inability to believe in something I once thought was important.
For example I once wanted to be big like Arnold, yet at the moment my only interest physically is in having Old Man Strength at work.
Being the most fit at your job is nice and all, but it's far from the glamour of wanting to be like Arnold. I wouldn't call that transition a bad thing, as I have far better body for working hard and long than looking good in a thong. But its one of those things, where getting older seems like a constant pattern of moving on from the shinny new ideas, onto the less glamorous less inspired thoughts.
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I agree with you retard. My life suck and the harder I try the worse it gets. Like running on a treadmill and going nowhere. :(
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I agree with you retard. My life suck and the harder I try the worse it gets. Like running on a treadmill and going nowhere. :(
The key is to be happy in the moment, the key to attaining that is to meditate.Download the audiobook or ebook for the power of now for a good explanation of this.Happiness comes from within, not externally. You will only get fleeting moments of pleasure if you seek it externally.
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Everybody's tempted to give up from time to time, whatever the undertaking, but this isn't about everyday stuff. We're talking about dreams: our heart of hearts, goal of goals, the motor that energizes us and puts a spring in our step.
When do we pull the plug on a dream?
We shouldn't give up when the dream still lights our days and a door or two stands slightly ajar, if not completely open. If we're happy to hear the alarm clock every morning because it means we can move our dream a little further down the road, we can't give up.
We shouldn't give up because Mother says we look tired. Eat the dinner, tell her she's a good cook and you love her, then get back to work on the dream. Repeat as necessary.
We shouldn't give up because it's harder than we expected. Life's not supposed to be easy. How can we expect to do something great without breaking a sweat? Nobody would start anything if they realized the swamps they'd have to struggle through to get to the finish line.
We shouldn't give up because somebody says it can't work. New concepts often stump onlookers. Also, conventional thinkers resist the changes brought by new ideas. Scientific American wrote that the Wright brothers would never be able to fly their machine-after they had already done so.
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Everybody's tempted to give up from time to time, whatever the undertaking, but this isn't about everyday stuff. We're talking about dreams: our heart of hearts, goal of goals, the motor that energizes us and puts a spring in our step.
When do we pull the plug on a dream?
We shouldn't give up when the dream still lights our days and a door or two stands slightly ajar, if not completely open. If we're happy to hear the alarm clock every morning because it means we can move our dream a little further down the road, we can't give up.
We shouldn't give up because Mother says we look tired. Eat the dinner, tell her she's a good cook and you love her, then get back to work on the dream. Repeat as necessary.
We shouldn't give up because it's harder than we expected. Life's not supposed to be easy. How can we expect to do something great without breaking a sweat? Nobody would start anything if they realized the swamps they'd have to struggle through to get to the finish line.
We shouldn't give up because somebody says it can't work. New concepts often stump onlookers. Also, conventional thinkers resist the changes brought by new ideas. Scientific American wrote that the Wright brothers would never be able to fly their machine-after they had already done so.
"The Dream" is the problem, you delay your happiness for some magical point in the future that never comes, when I get that car, when I get that house, when I get the promotion, if you do happen to achieve any of them then the pleasure derived from the goal is fleeting until you delay your happiness once more for a point in the future that won't come or bring you the feeling you want.You have everything you need to be happy right now, and its right inside you.
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no youre not mostly happy.
and its not life that sucks, its always yourself.
must lwer the standards.
relatively a kd in afrcia will be very happy when it gets a meals, while a coke head millionaire will be bored about getting a new ferrari,he will be less excited than the african kid.
think about that.
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Don't get me wrong I'm quite happy with many parts of my adult life, and things for the most part seem to be getting better and better.
However this feeling that all the things I use to like about life have disappeared is really growing on me. The me 5 years ago couldn't be happy with my life now. So much is missing, and hasn't been replaced.
i donno it's a strange thing to explain, but it feels like as an adult there is this constant loss of all things familiar.
P.S. I know most getbiggers don't have emotions, and generally ignore the process of aging but I'm serious.
What you are experiencing is GOOD, it is REAL. Most Getbiggers would have no idea what you are talking about, as they strive to avoid or numb themselves to reality. Most people avoid having to reflect on life and be honest about it. For many people, life is a depressing journey, littered with suffering, disappointments and continual losses, but they fear to acknowledge it. For then it will be REAL and need to be confronted. You are starting to see LIFE for what it really is, don't be too concerned, for many things we cannot change, you can attempt to medicate these feelings away, but they will lead you to greater truths and living a GENUINE life. The simple acknowledgment of a painful truth can sometimes lessen the harshness of it.
Leave the hippy optimist platitudes to the deluded new age crowd. It is far more satisfying to live a genuine life, acknowledging your deepest truest feelings, riding the ups and downs rather than some forced attempt to ignore or deny the misery, forcing yourself to TRY and be happy.
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No.....RAtard....I honestly believe you have a chemical imbalance.
In 2007/2008 I started becoming quite tired. I lost all interest in things....I had no motivation whatsoever.....universit y, working out, watching TV, etc. I just couldn't bring myself to want to do anything but sleep.
I couldn't figure it out because nothing in my life had changed...I was in a great relationship, happy in school, making good gains in the gym, etc.
Yet slowly I lost all interest in my friends, boyfriend, activities, sex, etc.
I eventually would just sit on the couch staring at the TV and cry for hours on end.
I wasn't sad or depressed....I just wasn't functioning normally and nothing significant in my life had changed. Diet was great...I really had a great life. I had beaten cancer.....awesome friends.....was just fucking happy.
One evening my boyfriend woke up and caught me crying on the couch ( I always hid it from him). I literally cried for 2 hours straight in his arms and told him I had no idea why I felt this way......and that's a long fucking time to just sit there crying.
The next day he called in sick to work and took me straight to the doctor.
The doctor who I had never seen before said "Dot....you have depression." I said...."but I'm not depressed or sad about anything...I have a great life."
He then took over 45 minutes to explain all about depression and chemical imbalances......there is chemical depression and situational depression. As we get older our brain chemistry changes often and this can affect serotonin, norepinephrine, etc.
Anyways....he put me on anti depressants and it took about a year to find the perfect blend of anti depressants to help me. It was a lot of trial and error. The first one I ever tried was Effexor....what a fucking nightmare. Then wellbutrin, etc. He said I will work with you till we find the right one.......everybody reacts different to different meds.....and it took me trying 5 AD's till I found one that worked. You have to give them time....at least 6 to 8 weeks......so it was a very long year for me. I also played around with some anxiety meds......but finally we found something that worked.
Honestly RAtard....it saved my fucking life....I swear. I then stayed on for about 2-3 years and slowly tapered off. My doctor said there was a possibility I may need to be on for life.....but you never know...so we slowly tapered off and I was fine. I've been fine without them for about 4-5 years now.
One day I may need them again....who knows. I now know the signs though. And will never be ashamed or afraid to go into a doctor and say "I'm depressed and think I need to go on meds."
Before that I used to think that people who were "depressed" were lazy schmucks that felt sorry for themselves. I had no idea about mental illness and I thought I was far to strong to ever get it. I had battled some physical illness brilliantly and thought "I'm a fucking fighter".
I'm not ignorant anymore.
It can happen to anyone at anytime.
I was blessed to have a doctor that gave a fuck and was patient. After the third anti depressant I thought that none of them would help me.......but he pushed me to hang in there and I'm glad I fucking did.
Our bodies will go through many changes in our lifetimes and we have to learn to adapt and embrace those changes. I can't eat what I did at twenty and have a great body. You have to learn to deal with those changes. It's the same with brain chemistry.
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When I was depressed you could have given me a supermodel face, bikini competitor body, a marriage to Denzel Washington and 3 trillion dollars.
I still would have felt numb and unsatisfied.
Mind over matter is not always as easy as people make it out to be. I used to think that's all it took.
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No.....RAtard....I honestly believe you have a chemical imbalance.
In 2007/2008 I started becoming quite tired. I lost all interest in things....I had no motivation whatsoever.....universit y, working out, watching TV, etc. I just couldn't bring myself to want to do anything but sleep.
I couldn't figure it out because nothing in my life had changed...I was in a great relationship, happy in school, making good gains in the gym, etc.
Yet slowly I lost all interest in my friends, boyfriend, activities, sex, etc.
I eventually would just sit on the couch staring at the TV and cry for hours on end.
I wasn't sad or depressed....I just wasn't functioning normally and nothing significant in my life had changed. Diet was great...I really had a great life. I had beaten cancer.....awesome friends.....was just fucking happy.
One evening my boyfriend woke up and caught me crying on the couch ( I always hid it from him). I literally cried for 2 hours straight in his arms and told him I had no idea why I felt this way......and that's a long fucking time to just sit there crying.
The next day he called in sick to work and took me straight to the doctor.
The doctor who I had never seen before said "Dot....you have depression." I said...."but I'm not depressed or sad about anything...I have a great life."
He then took over 45 minutes to explain all about depression and chemical imbalances......there is chemical depression and situational depression. As we get older our brain chemistry changes often and this can affect serotonin, norepinephrine, etc.
Anyways....he put me on anti depressants and it took about a year to find the perfect blend of anti depressants to help me. It was a lot of trial and error. The first one I ever tried was Effexor....what a fucking nightmare. Then wellbutrin, etc. He said I will work with you till we find the right one.......everybody reacts different to different meds.....and it took me trying 5 AD's till I found one that worked. You have to give them time....at least 6 to 8 weeks......so it was a very long year for me. I also played around with some anxiety meds......but finally we found something that worked.
Honestly RAtard....it saved my fucking life....I swear. I then stayed on for about 2-3 years and slowly tapered off. My doctor said there was a possibility I may need to be on for life.....but you never know...so we slowly tapered off and I was fine. I've been fine without them for about 4-5 years now.
One day I may need them again....who knows. I now know the signs though. And will never be ashamed or afraid to go into a doctor and say "I'm depressed and think I need to go on meds."
Before that I used to think that people who were "depressed" were lazy schmucks that felt sorry for themselves. I had no idea about mental illness and I thought I was far to strong to ever get it. I had battled some physical illness brilliantly and thought "I'm a fucking fighter".
I'm not ignorant anymore.
It can happen to anyone at anytime.
I was blessed to have a doctor that gave a fuck and was patient. After the third anti depressant I thought that none of them would help me.......but he pushed me to hang in there and I'm glad I fucking did.
Our bodies will go through many changes in our lifetimes and we have to learn to adapt and embrace those changes. I can't eat what I did at twenty and have a great body. You have to learn to deal with those changes. It's the same with brain chemistry.
There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance. This is pseudo science. You denied yourself REAL growth by avoiding REALITY. Medicating NORMAL emotional reactions to LIFE is ridiculous. What are you going to do every-time you face difficulty, run from it and drug yourself up. Great Solution. It's a GIFT to see REALITY for what it is, it was WASTED on you.
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There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance. This is pseudo science.
Like hell there's not. Ignorance at it's finest.
You can actually fucking test for it by gathering a syringe full of meningococcal fluid. However this is dangerous, costly and not viable.
I remember my doctor saying he wishes he could do this regularly.
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if you have a chemical imbalance, and many of us (myself included) invariably do...
try different things. Don't use one thing forever. Don't drink so much. Read a lot. Change things up.
Find the underlying causes of what really bugs you daily, and try to remove them from your life.
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the best thing for mood is to walk in nature and get sun light. amino acids and st johns wort help too.
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As we grow as people and evolve our priorities change. One of the most important things in personal growth is to first and foremost be happy with YOU, without relying on outside sources for validation. Things and people around you may change but as long as you are happy and confident with who you are, problems and challenges that arise become workable.
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Like hell there's not. Ignorance at it's finest.
You can actually fucking test for it by gathering a syringe full of meningococcal fluid. However this is dangerous, costly and not viable.
I remember my doctor saying he wishes he could do this regularly.
You are so gullible, I actually feel sorry for people like you. I wouldn't even waste my time on people who so easily BUY into concepts such as chemical imbalances.
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the best thing for mood is to walk in nature and get sun light. amino acids and st johns wort help too.
Actually, taking vitamin D drops has helped me greatly. I feel a big difference with this particular supplement. When I work night shift I don't see sun for 14 days straight.
Although I do prefer the nights.
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One of the most important things in personal growth is to first and foremost be happy with YOU, without relying on outside sources for validation.
Most important sentence in this thread.All these people you are trying to impress getting rich,jacked, intelligent, whatever else, how many will care for more than a week or two if you died?If you can count more than one hand then you are delusional/liar.Live for yourself.
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You are so gullible, I actually feel sorry for people like you. I wouldn't even waste my time on people who so easily BUY into concepts such as chemical imbalances.
Good. Then we won't get into a petty argument where you write 2000 words of nonsensical babble while insulting me instead of insulting my argument. The usual E-Kul drivel.
And my opinion is not only coming from my own experience but from my particular university education in where I had to learn about this.
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Most important sentence in this thread.All these people you are trying to impress getting rich,jacked, intelligent, whatever else, how many will care for more than a week or two if you died?If you can count more than one hand then you are delusional/liar.
Yes, but it's not easy. We all want the validation of others....it's human nature.
Some just want it more than others and some definitely vie for it more than others. These are called attention whores aka Shizzo.
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ekul of course theres something like a chemical imbalance, go on seroquel,or pop couple extasy pills, or lsd, bit cocaine, or heroin and see how chemical imbalance doesnt exist.
this retard kid is on headcase meds
has hdasd or whatever the hell they call this disordr that paris hilton has.
this didnt exist before they made up a name for it, back then instead of giving these dumbass kids meds,they were sent to the hills to work some hard labour and sent there with a facespa left and right so their fucking ears would ring for whole afternoon.
nowdays they on some tablets and moan how bad life is.
jesus wept.
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Ratard, ignore the Nutters in this thread. It is perfectly OK to grow and change and feel loss. You don't need to find a way to force yourself into another state of being like BikiniSlut does. Idiots like that have some twisted belief that happiness is acceptable but feeling flat low or down isn't. And that happiness should be the goal. There is no such things as finding some permanent flat line of happiness, this is all bullshit. Life is a series of ups and downs, gains and losses, neither the ups or downs being more desirable than the other. It's just what life is. Like I said, the majority are barely consciously aware of how they feel or think about life. Henry David Thoreau wrote 'Most men lead lives of quiet desperation'. The reason is because people run from their true feelings, they refuse to acknowledge the truth and harsh realities of life.
Happiness isn't a more desirable state than other feeling states, it''s just one of the many. If anything, the way you are feeling now is more desirable, it will lead you to greater growth and satisfaction. Be wary of those who suggest the way you are feeling is undesirable and should be changed via the use of drugs.
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man i did some meditation to find inner peace and happynes.
no pills balonie.
as long you on thos epils they will screw with your head.easy as.
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You can pick and choose your advice RAtard. I'm just telling you what I personally went through.
If you believe you can get through this with a simple mind over matter trial then do it.
But you have other options.
I believe AD's are a last resort.....but I was at that last resort. Diet, exercise, and a solid support system were not enough at that time for me.
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no youre not mostly happy.
and its not life that sucks, its always yourself.
must lwer the standards.
relatively a kd in afrcia will be very happy when it gets a meals, while a coke head millionaire will be bored about getting a new ferrari,he will be less excited than the african kid.
think about that.
When I get down I too think of the African kid who waits for his next meal. Then I think about the rich basketball players, Kardashian whores and hell even my friend that has a good job. I'm very close to having it good, just have a shitty job which really gets me down.
I'm actually lucky that I have very simple tastes. I always say to people I have nothing but everything I ever wanted. Almost.
I'm in America land of opportunity so I think my day will come. As halo says, soon.
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ekul of course theres something like a chemical imbalance, go on seroquel,or pop couple extasy pills, or lsd, bit cocaine, or heroin and see how chemical imbalance doesnt exist.
Drugs that raise serotonin and norepinephrine levels, such as amphetamine, ecstasy and cocaine, do not alleviate depression.(a chemical imbalance), they temporarily alter brain chemistry. This doesn't mean their is such a thing as an ideal brain chemistry therefore the potential to have it imbalanced.
I could go on indefinitely about the flawed concept of imbalanced brain chemistry, sadly, the average getbigger is too brainwashed to understand it. They like the idea of popping pills to mask life. People prefer the concept of mental illness like depression having a physical cause or being labelled a “physical disease” because it does not convey the stigma and blame commonly associated with “psychological problems”. Imbalanced brain chemistry is just another of those buzzwords layman latch onto without exploring the issue. The fact is their is ZERO evidence for such a concept. But around here, people will believe anything without evidence it seems.
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I know a "true getbigger" doesn't believe in mental illness. ::) Or would never take meds. Or would even admit to being depressed. ::)
However I guarantee you there are many members here that have needed help for depression.....they just won't speak up. It's not the Getbig thing to do.
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Not saying chemical imbalance don't exist but I think majority of depression is environmental.
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Does adult life always keep finding new ways of sucking?
Not to put too fine a point on the matter, yes.
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Not saying chemical imbalance don't exist but I think majority of depression is environmental.
This theory has some validity. It is commonly observed in some wild animals when placed in captivity, no matter how well replicated the artificial environment, the animal experiences depression. It may gradually adapt to it's artificial environment, but will never thrive the way it would in the wild.
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Yeah man but then there are days where you're mindlessly driving to work on the freeway early in the morning and you see the most beautiful sun rise ever and you just have to pull over and take it in.
Or something as simple as a child's smile and laughter.
There's so much beauty in this world. You just have to notice it.
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RaTard, cognitive behavioral therapy is probably you're best bet. There is some evidence to suggest that changing the way you view the world (CBT) alleviates depression. (although I wouldn't describe your post as indicative of depression, just a growing awareness of the harsher realities of existence)
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First off, if you don't have anybody you are close to (significant other, parent, sibling) who has a mental illness, you're not qualified to speak on chemical imbalances. Yes, I do agree that we are over medicated and that minor mental health issues can be mended through diet, exercise, and some sort of therapy. MAJOR mental health issues require medication. I don't believe that those with major issues can overcome them by just being tough, or exercising.
To address the OPs issue..think of it this way: you have to know what is bad in order to recognize good. The older you get the more experiences you have....so you'll accumulate more powerfully positive and powerfully negative experiences. For most people, the worst time of their lives isn't going to happen when they're little. So, you encounter that time later in life. I truly feel that my current stage in life is my best year. I think that's the key.
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If you guys look back at RAtards posts he's been fucking suicidal.
I highly doubt mind/matter is enough for this guy.
However he wants to know that he's not alone in his thoughts; hence why he comes here.
And he's not. We've all been where he is to a certain degree.
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Yeah man but then there are days where you're mindlessly driving to work on the freeway early in the morning and you see the most beautiful sun rise ever and you just have to pull over and just take it in.
Or something as simple as a child's smile and laughter.
There's so much beauty in this world. You just have to notice it.
Good advice on pulling the car over to take in the sights every now and the. Little things matter.
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I'm atheist and not an addict or AA person; but I do find the serenity prayer helpful at times. I sometimes find myself worrying about things I cannot change.
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
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First off, if you don't have anybody you are close to (significant other, parent, sibling) who has a mental illness, you're not qualified to speak on chemical imbalances. Yes, I do agree that we are over medicated and that minor mental health issues can be mended through diet, exercise, and some sort of therapy. MAJOR mental health issues require medication. I don't believe that those with major issues can overcome them by just being tough, or exercising.
To address the OPs issue..think of it this way: you have to know what is bad in order to recognize good. The older you get the more experiences you have....so you'll accumulate more powerfully positive and powerfully negative experiences. For most people, the worst time of their lives isn't going to happen when they're little. So, you encounter that time later in life. I truly feel that my current stage in life is my best year. I think that's the key.
How is having a relative with mental illness EVIDENCE for chemical imbalance? Honestly, the things that the average GETBIGGER believes qualifies as evidence is staggering. Humans instinctively no what is bad, we have an instinct called self preservation and an Imagination, we don't need to experience BAD to know the GOOD, that's ridiculous. And I believe one of the biggest roadblocks to an adults happiness is in fact their childhood's. It is those that didn't have their needs met or suffered the usual humiliation and neglect that the average child rearing practices guarantees. For those who are presented with psychological issues in their adult life, a very good start is to explore their childhoods and determine what needs that weren't met and then work to rectify them. Essentially this is the role of psychotherapy, teaching the adult to self counsel, to self soothe, to teach them the skills they didn't get when children due to their parents inability to transfer such abilities by meeting the child's needs and the child internalizing such concepts.
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When I get down I too think of the African kid who waits for his next meal. Then I think about the rich basketball players, Kardashian whores and hell even my friend that has a good job. I'm very close to having it good, just have a shitty job which really gets me down.
I'm actually lucky that I have very simple tastes. I always say to people I have nothing but everything I ever wanted. Almost.
I'm in America land of opportunity so I think my day will come. As halo says, soon.
nah bro nobody is entitled to the dream, it comes or comes not.
the system as is, is bit rigged, like british pm is some grand grand grand son of former kings etc.
rich are born into money the rest has to fight, but oppurtunity was never fairer.
happynes comes from being happy about small things, not money.
ofc being dead skint is shit, but many ppl are 1 month unemployemnt away from bankrupcy.
have a frend whos on anti depressant, cant sleep wo nightmares etc, must use certain drug protocol to evenf all asleep, i tell him the same thing about the african kids,he says well depression doesnt work like that.
i still say hes just too soft mentaly.the vast majority of ppl do not lve their job,they simply do it.just enoy the time outside of the job,its the best we can do.
@ekul, ofc theres a ideal state of mind and chemical brain balance,lol.
being on lsd is not ideal.and cant say temporarily alter brain chemistry, theyre highly addictive.
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First off, if you don't have anybody you are close to (significant other, parent, sibling) who has a mental illness, you're not qualified to speak on chemical imbalances. Yes, I do agree that we are over medicated and that minor mental health issues can be mended through diet, exercise, and some sort of therapy. MAJOR mental health issues require medication. I don't believe that those with major issues can overcome them by just being tough, or exercising.
To address the OPs issue..think of it this way: you have to know what is bad in order to recognize good. The older you get the more experiences you have....so you'll accumulate more powerfully positive and powerfully negative experiences. For most people, the worst time of their lives isn't going to happen when they're little. So, you encounter that time later in life. I truly feel that my current stage in life is my best year. I think that's the key.
Have a big cup of "fuck off". Stupidest statement of the year. ::)
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I'm atheist and not an addict or AA person; but I do find the serenity prayer helpful at times. I sometimes find myself worrying about things I cannot change.
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
You don't have to be religious to appreciate things like this. If anyone lives near a bahai temple, I'd recommend visiting. It's an incredibly peaceful place.
A sauna can do the trick, too. :)
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Have a big cup of "fuck off". Stupidest statement of the year. ::)
I'm just saying it's one thing to ponder the idea, and it's a different thing to live it. How is that a stupid statement? You said that you thought people could will their way through something, and that you found that was not the case.
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How is having a relative with mental illness EVIDENCE for chemical imbalance? Honestly, the things that the average GETBIGGER believes qualifies as evidence is staggering. Humans instinctively no what is bad, we have an instinct called self preservation and an Imagination, we don't need to experience BAD to know the GOOD, that's ridiculous. And I believe one of the biggest roadblocks to an adults happiness is in fact their childhood's. It is those that didn't have their needs met or suffered the usual humiliation and neglect that the average child rearing practices guarantees. For those who are presented with psychological issues in their adult life, a very good start is to explore their childhoods and determine what needs that weren't met and then work to rectify them. Essentially this is the role of psychotherapy, teaching the adult to self counsel, to self soothe, to teach them the skills they didn't get when children due to their parents inability to transfer such abilities by meeting the child's needs and the child internalizing such concepts.
I don't think it's evidence for a chemical imbalance, I'm saying you can't truly understand the importance of medication without being in a situation yourself.
And yeah, I felt like childhood experiences were going to factor into the conversation after what I said.
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I'm just saying it's one thing to ponder the idea, and it's a different thing to live it. How is that a stupid statement? You said that you thought people could will their way through something, and that you found that was not the case.
Boob....read the statement I bolded. There are plenty of professionals/scientists qualified to speak on mental illness/chemical imbalances WITHOUT having to have a family member/friend with one.
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I don't think it's evidence for a chemical imbalance, I'm saying you can't truly understand the importance of medication without being in a situation yourself.
And yeah, I felt like childhood experiences were going to factor into the conversation after what I said.
It didn't come across like that Boob.
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Boob....read the statement I bolded. There are plenty of professionals/scientists qualified to speak on mental illness/chemical imbalances WITHOUT having to have a family member/friend with one.
You do know 'TEH BOOB' is on your side, he was saying that chemical imbalance is REAL based on his observations of psychological dysfunction observed in friends and relatives. The mistake he made was assuming such psychological dysfunction is CAUSED by chemical imbalance.
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You do know 'TEH BOOB' is on your side, he was saying that chemical imbalance is REAL based on his observations of psychological dysfunction observed in friends and relatives. The mistake he made was assuming such psychological dysfunction is CAUSED by chemical imbalance.
Who the hell takes side on a matter like this?
We can agree to disagree.
It was wrong and immature of me to tell Boob to have a cup of "fuck off". I'll admit that. I should have just said I disagree instead of using the usual Getbig tactic of personal insults. I should be better than that unless I'm joking of course.
However no one here is "right" or "wrong". We are all just speaking from personal experience and personal point of view.
It's good RAtard has different viewpoints....he can then intake the info and make his own judgement/decisions.
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Who the hell takes side on a matter like this?
We can agree to disagree.
It was wrong and immature of me to tell Boob to have a cup of "fuck off". I'll admit that. I should have just said I disagree instead of using the usual Getbig tactic of personal insults. I should be better than that unless I'm joking of course.
However no one here is "right" or "wrong". We are all just speaking from personal experience and personal point of view.
It's good RAtard has different viewpoints....he can then intake the info and make his own judgement/decisions.
Who the hell takes side on a matter like this? Um, people who care about HONESTY and being GIVEN factual information. You are presenting misinformation as FACT! There is ZERO evidence that Depression is CAUSED by chemical imbalance. If you are going to assert such things, present supporting evidence.
This is the reason the Psychiatric profession is seen as pseudo science or junk science and ridiculed by society in general.
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You don't have to be religious to appreciate things like this. If anyone lives near a bahai temple, I'd recommend visiting. It's an incredibly peaceful place.
A sauna can do the trick, too. :)
This is true.
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The following are some of the reasons 'Chemical In-balance' theory has become so prevalent.
** People prefer a 'physical disease' label rather than a 'Mental Illness' tag. If depression has a physical cause then it isn't necessarily a "Mental Illness", thereby removing the stigma.
** Medical insurers are primarily concerned with cost, and they want to discourage treatments (such as psychotherapy) that may involve many contact hours and considerable expense. Their control over payment schedules enables insurance companies to shift treatment toward drugs and away from psychotherapy.
** The motivation of the pharmaceutical companies should be fairly obvious. As mentioned previously, the market for antidepressant drugs is now $12 billion. All publicly traded for-profit companies are required by law to increase the value of their investor’s stock. Perhaps it goes without saying, but it is a simple fact that pharmaceutical companies will do anything they legally (and sometimes illegally) can to maximize revenues.
** The motivation of psychiatrists to accept the chemical imbalance theory is somewhat more subtle. Starting around 1930, psychiatrists became increasingly aware of growing competition from nonmedical therapists such as psychologists, social workers and counselors. Because of this, psychiatrists have been attracted to physical treatments like drugs and electroshock therapy that differentiate them from nonmedical practitioners. Psychiatry may be the least respected medical specialty (U.S. General Accounting Office report). Many Americans rejected Fruedian talk therapy as quackery, and the whole field of psychiatry lacks the quality of research (randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind experiments) that serves as the gold-standard in other branches of medicine.
Of course there are also many “benefits” to going along with the conventional “chemical imbalance” theory, such as free dinners, symphony tickets, and trips to the Caribbean; consultancy fees, honoraria and stock options from the pharmaceutical companies; and a much larger, growing private practice as the $20 billion spent by drug companies on advertising brings patients to the office. Psychiatrists are just human, like the rest of us, and not many of them can resist all of these benefits.
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Okay, let's look at things a different way. Let's say chemical imbalances are bullshit.
You eat well, you exercise, you go to talk therapy...but something still doesn't feel right, and it's to the point that it's ruining your personal relationships and ability to perform at work. Is it a bad idea to get medicated?
Also, "imbalance" is a problematic word...it's a slippery slope to call things "normal" or "balanced"
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E - Kul...
Google Scholar...
Chemical Imbalances Depression......or similar terms.
Hundreds of articles will come up supporting all points of view.....mine and yours.
I personally think chemical depression is very real. You don't. It is what it is. Deal with it.
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Okay, let's look at things a different way. Let's say chemical imbalances are bullshit.
You eat well, you exercise, you go to talk therapy...but something still doesn't feel right, and it's to the point that it's ruining your personal relationships and ability to perform at work. Is it a bad idea to get medicated?
Also, "imbalance" is a problematic word...it's a slippery slope to call things "normal" or "balanced"
I did everything "right". I even went to my university pastor and university counsellor before I told my boyfriend and doctor.
I honestly wish everybody could experience it. I'm ashamed that I used to judge people with depression.
And I'm so thankful I don't currently need meds, although if I did I wouldn't hesitate to go back on them.
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Okay, let's look at things a different way. Let's say chemical imbalances are bullshit.
You eat well, you exercise, you go to talk therapy...but something still doesn't feel right, and it's to the point that it's ruining your personal relationships and ability to perform at work. Is it a bad idea to get medicated?
Also, "imbalance" is a problematic word...it's a slippery slope to call things "normal" or "balanced"
I think it's simply personal choice. If you feel better using drugs and are happy to tolerate any side effects than by all means, do it. Everybody is individual, and to suggest that there is one cause to depression is lunacy. During the days of slavery, some slaves where quite happy to be enslaved and others driven insane by such a circumstance. Same as today,some people are quite happy to go to work and rent their lives out to the Elites, as long as they have some food, entertainment and somewhere to sleep, for them all is good. other people find such an environment intolerable, and seek to medicate using wither drugs, alcohol or modern pharmaceuticals.
And like I said before, it discounts the role depression play in a human life, it assumes that depression is worthless and adds no value to life overall. It would be too long to go into here, but one could argue countless philosophical benefits derived from a bout of depression. Their is an assumption that happiness is more beneficial than depression, I don't think this is true. Both feeling states have their pros and cons.
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I did everything "right". I even went to my university pastor and university counsellor before I told my boyfriend and doctor.
I honestly wish everybody could experience it. I'm ashamed that I used to judge people with depression.
And I'm so thankful I don't currently need meds, although if I did I wouldn't hesitate to go back on them.
Did your chemical imbalance just suddenly correct itself?
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Did your chemical imbalance just suddenly correct itself?
Could you go at least READ my original post before you comment. ::)
I was actually pretty detailed.
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Could you go at least READ my original post before you comment. ::)
I was actually pretty detailed.
I did, it mentions nothing about the disappearance of your initial chemical imbalance. You state you suddenly developed a chemical imbalance for no reason, took some anti-depressants for several years and then, viola, no chemical imbalance anymore. Are chemical imbalances something that just mysteriously appear and disappear? Is it just like a cold, a temporary condition that will disappear of it's own accord?
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I did, it mentions nothing about the disappearance of your initial chemical imbalance. You state you suddenly developed a chemical imbalance for no reason, took some anti-depressants for several years and then, viola, no chemical imbalance anymore. Are chemical imbalances something that just mysteriously appear and disappear? Is it just like a cold, a temporary condition that will disappear of it's own accord?
Actually yes. Go read the articles on Scholar.
There are different reasons for their appearance and disappearance.
I suspect mine was due to chemotherapy and radiation treatments previously, but I don't know.
Quit trying to argue with everyone...I've told you where to go find the articles....now read them.
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Actually yes. Go read the articles on Scholar.
There are different reasons for their appearance and disappearance.
I suspect mine was due to chemotherapy and radiation treatments previously, but I don't know.
Quit trying to argue with everyone...I've told you where to go find the articles....now read them.
Arguing? Simply calling you out on your bullshit. This is the problem, too many people present misinformation as TRUE and then get upset when asked to prove their false assertions.
There is no scientifically established ideal “chemical balance” of serotonin, let alone an identifiable pathological imbalance. With direct proof of serotonin deficiency in any mental disorder lacking, the claimed efficacy of SSRIs is often cited as indirect support for the serotonin hypothesis. Yet, this ex juvantibus line of reasoning (i.e., reasoning “backwards” to make assumptions about disease causation based on the response of the disease to a treatment) is logically problematic—the fact that aspirin cures headaches does not prove that headaches are due to low levels of aspirin in the brain. Serotonin researchers from the US National Institute of Mental Health Laboratory of Clinical Science clearly state, “ The demonstrated efficacy of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors… cannot be used as primary evidence for serotonergic dysfunction in the pathophysiology of these disorders” .
Reasoning backwards, from SSRI efficacy to presumed serotonin deficiency, is thus highly contested. The validity of this reasoning becomes even more unlikely when one considers recent studies that even call into question the very efficacy of the SSRIs. Irving Kirsch and colleagues, using the Freedom of Information Act, gained access to all clinical trials of antidepressants submitted to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) by the pharmaceutical companies for medication approval. When the published and unpublished trials were pooled, the placebo duplicated about 80% of the antidepressant response ; 57% of these pharmaceutical company–funded trials failed to show a statistically significant difference between antidepressant and inert placebo .
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Some depression is cause by negative thinking repeated over and over in ones mind which generates negative emotions.
Some depression is cause by a diet lacking in important nutrients, such as omega 3 fats, megnesium, vitamin d, etc which causes the body/brain to not function optimally due to lack of substrates for the chemical reactions and processes within the body.
Some depression is due to some diseases such as multiple sclerosis, or direct brain injuries which affect the structure and function of the brain
Some depression is due to lack of exercise, the sedentary lifestyle.
Some depression is due to shitty brain genetics, notice how brain disorders such as schizophrenia etc run in families.
As far a chemical imbalances, this could mean too much or too little neurotransmitters in certain parts of the brain. Depression can be induced in anyone by getting addicted to certain drugs and then going through withdrawal. Neurotransmitters are depleted and receptors are down regulated which simulates depression.
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For the record, I have aspergers so it's an automatic assumption my brains completely out of wack, that being said drugs tend to fuck things up even worst because even if the fuel line is full of gas someone has to push the gas pedal.
Anyhow I think I have little choice in having a understanding of depression and other related unpleasantries of being alive. But that's not exactly what I mean.
I guess to go back to my original point it's does one have to keep lowering their standards as a part of adult life. It seems like I have to keep lowering them lower and lower each year in order to be at peace with things.
As much as I'm happy with my life it bothers me that on the long term one eventually lowers their standards to a depth that even dieing seems acceptable.
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I don't understand what you mean by "lowering" your standards? ???
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E - Kul...
Google Scholar...
Chemical Imbalances Depression......or similar terms.
Hundreds of articles will come up supporting all points of view.....mine and yours.
I personally think chemical depression is very real. You don't. It is what it is. Deal with it.
Have you asked yourself, "why is everybody depressed?"
Sure, we all get depressed from time to time...but, have you ever thought that in our culture we are constantly bombarded and marketed that everybody must be happy 24/7? When you look on Facebook you see everybody going on trips, dinners, and all smiley face. They advertise cars, and other materialistic goods to you, and if you don't have it, then you are "not happy". If a man is not hooking up with multiple 10/10 women, then he is not a happy. If a woman does not look like the women in Cosmopolitan then she is not a 10/10 or desirable, so she is "not happy".
All the food ads say this or that food will make you happy. If you get this job, it will make you happy.
If you look at TV commercials for going back to school they start off with "are you not happy?"
Everything is geared towards external happiness, but not internal happiness---spiritual happiness.
We have created our own societal and national depression thru our own marketing which fueled by corp greed.
And greed itself, stems from a need to satisfy our happiness.
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Of course culture/environment/society plays a HUGE role in depression.
However not all depression is due to that. Most? Probably....I won't argue that. But definitely not all.
I personally think mine was 100 % chemical imbalance.....like I said....I pretty much had the perfect life.
Unfortunately this IS our society and people deal with it how they feel fit. There's a lot of emphasis on "comparison". We compare wages, status, bodies, jobs, job titles, etc. I think that really drives many to stress. We are not happy as is.....we always look at everyone else and think "the grass is greener".
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Have you asked yourself, "why is everybody depressed?"
Sure, we all get depressed from time to time...but, have you ever thought that in our culture we are constantly bombarded and marketed that everybody must be happy 24/7? When you look on Facebook you see everybody going on trips, dinners, and all smiley face. They advertise cars, and other materialistic goods to you, and if you don't have it, then you are "not happy". If a man is not hooking up with multiple 10/10 women, then he is not a happy. If a woman does not look like the women in Cosmopolitan then she is not a 10/10 or desirable, so she is "not happy".
All the food ads say this or that food will make you happy. If you get this job, it will make you happy.
If you look at TV commercials for going back to school they start off with "are you not happy?"
Everything is geared towards external happiness, but not internal happiness---spiritual happiness.
We have created our own societal and national depression thru our own marketing which fueled by corp greed.
And greed itself, stems from a need to satisfy our happiness.
I'd agree that modern society has geared people to be overly emotional in their view of the world.
But before all that I think people were miserable too.
Of course I think high stress lifestyles are a major reason why many modern humans don't feel so well.
But in general the human condition, or the human brain is conditioned to deal with a great deal of misery and when your life is void of it, your brain must create it to keep things in balance.
In short human emotions have a large amount of archaic prehistoric baggage kicking around that far too many people ignore.
But I'm not even talking about the emotional side of things but more so the logical side of things. Which is with each and every year you end up with so much less to work with. opportunities disappear, women get older, your body gets weaker etc. In fact I think half the reason people generally get happier as they get older is because they're forced to use what they got by simple logistics.
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You're not special. You're not your fucking chinos. You're not your benchpress or your biceps.
You need to accept that we're nothing more than a tiny little cogwheel in the great machine of life. Our significance here on this earth - in this solar system, in this galaxy, in this universe - is like that of a single grain of sand in a vast beach. Our accomplishments, victories, defeats, problems etc... like tears forever lost in rain.
You're not special. You're not your fucking chinos. You're not your benchpress or your biceps. You're a fucking tiny little cogwheel - at best.
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You just need a little money to lighten up is all, go rob a bank.
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You're not special. You're not you're fucking chinos. You're not your benchpress or your biceps.
You need to accept that we're nothing more than a tiny little cogwheel in the great machine of life. Our significance here on this earth - in this solar system, in this galaxy, in this universe - is like that of a single grain of sand in a vast beach. Our accomplishments, victories, defeats, problems etc... like tears forever lost in rain.
You're not special. You're not you're fucking chinos. You're not your benchpress or your biceps. You're a fucking tiny little cogwheel.
"We're just insignificant little specks you and me. We're not gonna change the world, we're not gonna win the war, and nobodys gonna care when we die... Which many signified that you should bite and snarl, and play the dog, like me."
-Shakespeare
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Like someone said earlier, when we die nobody is going to give a shit a week later. I find this very true. People need to get on with their lives and they do.
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You're not special. You're not your fucking chinos. You're not your benchpress or your biceps.
You need to accept that we're nothing more than a tiny little cogwheel in the great machine of life. Our significance here on this earth - in this solar system, in this galaxy, in this universe - is like that of a single grain of sand in a vast beach. Our accomplishments, victories, defeats, problems etc... like tears forever lost in rain.
You're not special. You're not you're fucking chinos. You're not your benchpress or your biceps. You're a fucking tiny little cogwheel - at best.
Basically, its ALL insignificant in the grandest of schemes.
When you accept this philosophy, you will either a) blow your brains out or b) learn to look past the bullshit that makes life suck and instead focus on the things that matter to you and that you give meaning to. Be it 18 inch arms, writing epic tragedies, fucking random bitches, being 240lbs , or simply raising a family.
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I would cry nightly but I'm too numb.
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You're not special. You're not your fucking chinos. You're not your benchpress or your biceps.
You need to accept that we're nothing more than a tiny little cogwheel in the great machine of life. Our significance here on this earth - in this solar system, in this galaxy, in this universe - is like that of a single grain of sand in a vast beach. Our accomplishments, victories, defeats, problems etc... like tears forever lost in rain.
You're not special. You're not you're fucking chinos. You're not your benchpress or your biceps. You're a fucking tiny little cogwheel - at best.
Basically, its ALL insignificant in the grandest of schemes.
When you accept this philosophy, you will either a) blow your brains out or b) learn to look past the bullshit that makes life suck and instead focus on the things that matter to you and that you give meaning to. Be it 18 inch arms, writing epic tragedies, fucking random bitches, being 240lbs , or simply raising a family.
Classic. Wolfox responding to his own posts. lol