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That health authorities world wide recommend we eat less processed food and more fruits and vegetables?
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Yes.
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That nearly all health authorities recommend we eat less processed food and more fruits and vegetables?
It's true brother!
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That nearly all health authorities recommend we eat less processed food and more fruits and vegetables?
No.
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No.
What about articles like this TA:
Eat less processed food, say experts
Processed foods are to blame for the sharp rise in obesity levels and chronic disease around the globe, according to the World Health Organization.
In a report published on Monday, it urged people to cut their intake of such foods, which are often high in saturated fats, sugar and salt.
The team of international scientists, who compiled the report, said eating more fruit and vegetables and exercising more were the best way to protect against chronic disease.
The scientists have set out new guidelines for healthy eating. These will be adopted by WHO as part of its new global strategy to reduce heart disease, cancer, diabetes, obesity, osteoporosis and dental disease.
The panel have urged people to eat a healthy balanced diet and to limit their intake of salt, sugar and saturated fats.
They warned that chronic diseases are caused not only by overeating but also by eating too much of the wrong types of food.
"People should eat less high-calorie foods, especially foods high in saturated fat and sugar, be physically active, prefer unsaturated for saturated fat and use less salt; enjoy fruits, vegetables and legumes and prefer foods of plant and marine origin."
Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2814253.stm
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http://www.scripps.org/news_items/4436-5-food-myths-and-misconceptions
2. Myth: Avoid all processed foods
Not all processed foods are created equal, says Kearney. Whole foods blended in a food processor are still the same food. Some processed foods are good for you, such as whole grain pasta, canned light tuna packed in water and plain flash-frozen fruits and vegetables.
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i dont know, but the recommended average joes diet, the govt recomendation is quite ok here, maybe the calorie count is bit too high, but its good.
the problem lays somewhere else, the same ppl who cry for more freedom, is the same idiots often who dont abide by the reasonable suggestions.
its not like they making it up from their arses btw, and its not decided by government actualy.they hand out the contract to scientific institutions who then put together a general recomendation, something as close as possible to "One size fits all".
it cant be perfect but its good.
but irresponisble fattos will always be missing the goal.
they deem eating like swine as some wuality of life.
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What about articles like this TA:
Eat less processed food, say experts
Processed foods are to blame for the sharp rise in obesity levels and chronic disease around the globe, according to the World Health Organization.
In a report published on Monday, it urged people to cut their intake of such foods, which are often high in saturated fats, sugar and salt.
The team of international scientists, who compiled the report, said eating more fruit and vegetables and exercising more were the best way to protect against chronic disease.
The scientists have set out new guidelines for healthy eating. These will be adopted by WHO as part of its new global strategy to reduce heart disease, cancer, diabetes, obesity, osteoporosis and dental disease.
The panel have urged people to eat a healthy balanced diet and to limit their intake of salt, sugar and saturated fats.
They warned that chronic diseases are caused not only by overeating but also by eating too much of the wrong types of food.
Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2814253.stm
The WHO is also behind the new Sugar bullshit scare (there was a post on this earlier this month here) that has been debunked already.
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http://www.scripps.org/news_items/4436-5-food-myths-and-misconceptions
2. Myth: Avoid all processed foods
Not all processed foods are created equal, says Kearney. Whole foods blended in a food processor are still the same food. Some processed foods are good for you, such as whole grain pasta, canned light tuna packed in water and plain flash-frozen fruits and vegetables.
Okay, I can see the difference. Overall though, would you agree that they're right in urging people to watch their intake of processed foods and encouraging people to eat more fruits and vegetables?
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http://www.nhs.uk/change4life/Pages/food-exercise-mythbuster.aspx
Myth 7 : Processed foods are not as healthy for me as fresh foods
In some cases this is true, but a lot of processed foods are just as healthy, and sometimes even more healthy than fresh foods. This all depends on how they are processed.
For example, frozen fruit and frozen vegetables are usually processed within hours of being picked. Because hardly any nutrients get lost in the freezing process they stay very healthy.
They are often cheaper for you to buy too, which makes them a fantastic option to help make up your 5 A DAY
Read more: easy ways to get 5 A DAY
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The WHO is also behind the new Sugar bullshit scare (there was a post on this earlier this month here) that has been debunked already.
Okay, I'll look into that
I'm under the impression that sugar is the worst thing people eat.
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adonis is playing semantics.
hes saying the sugar scare is reasonless i see.
the governments say a little bit sugar daily is fine.they dont demonize it.
theres smart calculators out there which can be used by non experts, but as ive said its pointless if one wont be caring anyway.
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Okay, I can see the difference. Overall though, would you agree that they're right in urging people to watch their intake of processed foods and encouraging people to eat more fruits and vegetables?
No.
Because they could just as easily be encouraged to purchase and consume processed fruits and vegetables which are just as healthy if not more at times if vitamins are added.
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the problem lays somewhere else, the same ppl who cry for more freedom, is the same idiots often who dont abide by the reasonable suggestions.
That's the stupidest thing you've ever posted... I'm a libertarian and I started this thread... lol
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http://www.nhs.uk/change4life/Pages/food-exercise-mythbuster.aspx
Myth 7 : Processed foods are not as healthy for me as fresh foods
In some cases this is true, but a lot of processed foods are just as healthy, and sometimes even more healthy than fresh foods. This all depends on how they are processed.
For example, frozen fruit and frozen vegetables are usually processed within hours of being picked. Because hardly any nutrients get lost in the freezing process they stay very healthy.
They are often cheaper for you to buy too, which makes them a fantastic option to help make up your 5 A DAY
Read more: easy ways to get 5 A DAY
I almost always get frozen for this reason. I also can't deal with having wrinkly vegetables in my fridge....such a waste
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adonis is playing semantics.
hes saying the sugar scare is reasonless i see.
the governments say a little bit sugar daily is fine.they dont demonize it.
theres smart calculators out there which can be used by non experts, but as ive said its pointless if one wont be caring anyway.
Its not semantics. Its called facts and evidence. Too many calories are the culprit and nothing else. It does not matter where they come from.
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No.
Because they could just as easily be encouraged to purchase and consume processed fruits and vegetables which are just as healthy if not more at times if vitamins are added.
Okay, but besides scenarios like that. Would you agree that it's a good idea for people to eat less Cheese-its and Coca Cola overall and maybe replace the that caloric intake with fresh fruits and vegetables? ???
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People shouldn`t have to abide by any restrictions when it comes to eating as there should be no restrictions whatsoever.
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Its not semantics. Its called facts and evidence. Too many calories are the culprit and nothing else. It does not matter where they come from.
a calorie is a calorie-right? that is what mentzer always said. mickey D's or homemade orgainic food does not matter a calorie is a calorie. sugar is sugar. salt packets come in handy
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That's the stupidest thing you've ever posted... I'm a libertarian and I started this thread... lol
i said often, didnt say every one.
ppl would naturaly say the govt has no business in telling them what to eat, despite it merely being well meant recomendations, meanwhile the usa is an obese nation, and the whole european union following in no much better shape.
that was my point.
ppl overeat, its not my problem, its theirs.
but if you would ask all citizens if govt should have a say(btw i think it shouldnt)on the matter, or even power, almost everyone would say no.
it was a very smart thing i posted imo, just depends how its looked at
Its not semantics. Its called facts and evidence. Too many calories are the culprit and nothing else. It does not matter where they come from.
partialy yes, but you should perhaps read a neutral book or so about metabolism processes, instead of internet selective balonie to reinforce a biased point.
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People shouldn`t have to abide by any restrictions when it comes to eating as there should be no restrictions whatsoever.
There aren't thankfully, except for the bizarre laws in NY and LA.
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i said often, didnt say every one.
ppl would naturaly say the govt has no business in telling them what to eat, despite it merely being well meant recomendations, meanwhile the usa is an obese nation, and the whole european union following in no much better shape.
that was my point.
ppl overeat, its not my problem, its theirs.
but if you would ask all citizens if govt should have a say(btw i think it shouldnt)on the matter, or even power, almost everyone would say no.
it was a very smart thing i posted imo, just depends how its looked at
partialy yes, but you should perhaps read a neutral book or so about metabolism processes, instead of internet selective balonie to reinforce a biased point.
Okay, I see what you're saying. I guarantee you the government can't/won't solve the obesity problem.
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Okay, but besides scenarios like that. Would you agree that it's a good idea for people to eat less Cheese-its and Coca Cola overall and maybe replace the that caloric intake with fresh fruits and vegetables? ???
It wouldn`t matter one bit if their caloric intake was too high to begin with. Obese people are not suffering from lack of nutrients or lack of nutrition. I would encourage them to eat three meals a day and cook each meal and have only one serving of each meal.
The food isn`t the problem, just like the gun is not the problem. Its the moron behind the fork or the trigger that is the problem.
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i said often, didnt say every one.
ppl would naturaly say the govt has no business in telling them what to eat, despite it merely being well meant recomendations, meanwhile the usa is an obese nation, and the whole european union following in no much better shape.
that was my point.
ppl overeat, its not my problem, its theirs.
but if you would ask all citizens if govt should have a say(btw i think it shouldnt)on the matter, or even power, almost everyone would say no.
it was a very smart thing i posted imo, just depends how its looked at
partialy yes, but you should perhaps read a neutral book or so about metabolism processes, instead of internet selective balonie to reinforce a biased point.
I have read many books on food politics and nutrition. I even read all of Michael Pollan`s bullshit books.
This is one of my favorites.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d6/1._Mindless_Eating_Cover_-_Brian_Wansink.jpg)
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I'd say, let's stop thinking about these "rules" and go off of how foods make us look/ feel.
I generally cook my own stuff from unadulterated ingredients. Of course I'll eat the worst foods imaginable, too, but I'm not eating them for energy or for my appearance. I'm an advocate for hippie foods because conventional stuff just doesn't make me feel good. This doesn't mean ALL non "natural"/organic foods are bad. For example, Nabisco grahams give me a stay in bed all day kind of headache...honey maid does not. I'm pretty sure I checked both labels and they were identical, except the Nabisco grahams have sulfites/sulfates/whatever. So, for me personally, it's wise for me to follow the "limit processed foods" argument, because that limits the amount of ingredients that could make me feel sick.
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Do you think there are any unhealthy foods or ingredients? Like Nitrates, or BHA/BHT?
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There aren't thankfully, except for the bizarre laws in NY and LA.
If you keep supporting the unscientific myth based anti-gmo movement and anti-food movement (which conservative shitbrains and liberal shitbrains somehow agree on), you will get things like this:
California Democrat Introduces Nanny State Bill Requiring Warning Labels on Sugary Drinks
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2014/02/16/california-bill-would-require-warning-labels-on-sugary-drinks-n1795066
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I'd say, let's stop thinking about these "rules" and go off of how foods make us look/ feel.
I generally cook my own stuff from unadulterated ingredients. Of course I'll eat the worst foods imaginable, too, but I'm not eating them for energy or for my appearance. I'm an advocate for hippie foods because conventional stuff just doesn't make me feel good. This doesn't mean ALL non "natural"/organic foods are bad. For example, Nabisco grahams give me a stay in bed all day kind of headache...honey maid does not. I'm pretty sure I checked both labels and they were identical, except the Nabisco grahams have sulfites/sulfates/whatever. So, for me personally, it's wise for me to follow the "limit processed foods" argument, because that limits the amount of ingredients that could make me feel sick.
Your whole post is a load of shit.
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If you keep supporting the unscientific myth based anti-gmo movement and anti-food movement (which conservative shitbrains and liberal shitbrains somehow agree on), you will get things like this:
California Democrat Introduces Nanny State Bill Requiring Warning Labels on Sugary Drinks
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2014/02/16/california-bill-would-require-warning-labels-on-sugary-drinks-n1795066
If companies think their customers care they should label their products Non GMO or Organic, if not don't. No one is forcing anyone to buy the unknown products.
I only have a problem with NON GMO farmers being sued and shut down when their fields are contaminated by GMO through no fault of their own.
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Your whole post is a load of shit.
Why?
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Your whole post is a load of shit.
I feel like you could name any chemical and Adonis would say it's okay to consume it.
Can I drink benzine? ??? ;D
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Why?
Because in a blind taste test you wouldn`t know the difference.
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???
Sulfites are counted among the top nine food allergens, but a reaction to sulfite is not a true allergy.[9] Some people (but not many) have positive skin allergy tests to sulfites indicating true (IgE-mediated) allergy.[10] It may cause breathing difficulty within minutes after eating a food containing it,[11] asthmatics[12][13] and possibly people with salicylate sensitivity (or aspirin sensitivity)[14][15] are at an elevated risk for reaction to sulfites. Anaphylaxis and life threatening reactions are rare.[10] Other symptoms include sneezing, swelling of the throat, and hives.[15]
In the U.S., labeling regulations do not require products to indicate the presence of sulfites in foods unless it is added specifically as a preservative;[8] however, many companies voluntarily label sulfite-containing foods. Sulfites used in food processing, but not specifically added as a preservative, are only required to be listed if there are more than 10 parts per million (ppm) in the finished product.
The products most likely to contain sulfites (fruits and alcoholic beverages less than 10ppm) do not require ingredients labels, so the presence of sulfites usually is undisclosed.
In 1986, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration banned the use of sulfites as preservatives on foods intended to be eaten fresh (such as salad ingredients).[8] This has contributed to the increased use of erythorbic acid and its salts as preservatives.[16]
In Australia and New Zealand, sulfites must be declared in the statement of ingredients when present in packaged foods in concentrations of 10 mg/kg (ppm) or more as an ingredient; or as an ingredient of a compound ingredient; or as a food additive or component of a food additive; or as a processing aid or component of a processing aid.[17]
Sulfites are widely used to extend the shelf life of products. Because it is often difficult to know whether a food contains sulfites, people may not realize they have a sensitivity to sulfites when they are having reactions to food or drinks. Sulfites are also known to destroy vitamin B1 (thiamin),[18] a vitamin essential for metabolism of carbohydrates and alcohol.
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Well, fruits have ENZYMES that are beneficial for your overall health. Papain, bromelain, etc. I have no idea what happen to those enzymes once the fruits are processed.
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It wouldn`t matter one bit if their caloric intake was too high to begin with. Obese people are not suffering from lack of nutrients or lack of nutrition. I would encourage them to eat three meals a day and cook each meal and have only one serving of each meal.
The food isn`t the problem, just like the gun is not the problem. Its the moron behind the fork or the trigger that is the problem.
What the fuck do you know about anything Smeagol? Most Americans are overfed and undernourished. One look at their dietary habits will tell you that. You don't believe a thing your saying on this. You're an ideologue. You come up with stupid impractical ideas because you don't understand human beings. Not that that's a surprise to anyone. You're an empty vessel. A Godless, wanna-be, spindly, little putz. Cut the act Ables, the jig has been up for a long time. You're not nearly as clever or witty or whatever other delusion of grandeur you have of yourself.
Get with the program. You have absolutely no clue what's going on in the real world. So get your skinny little parenthesis looking legs back in the kitchen with ladies and make us some biscuits till you learn a thing or two. Adonis principles...Oh brother. ::)
Ahhhhhhh. That felt good. Carry on.
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Because in a blind taste test you wouldn`t know the difference.
No, but I do get headaches from eating certain things. My mother had terrible migraines for YEARS before realizing that bread gave her a headache. Then she realized it was the yeast. Along with yeast, she'll get migraines from MSG (yeast), alcohol, lunchmeats, and some other stuff.
Only things that give me headaches are sulfates/sulfites and sometimes chewing gum.
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Well, fruits have ENZYMES that are beneficial for your overall health. Papain, bromelain, etc. I have no idea what happen to those enzymes once the fruits are processed.
Nothing really except that Frozen fruits and vegetables may contain HIGHER amounts of vitamins and better nutritional value as they are picked at their peak and then flash frozen. When you have fresh produce from a store, you have no idea when it was picked or how long it has sat out or at what temperature. Also, even farmers markets are notorious for selling less than average produce because all of their good stuff usually goes to local restaurants or local food stores or CSAs.
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Well, fruits have ENZYMES that are beneficial for your overall health. Papain, bromelain, etc. I have no idea what happen to those enzymes once the fruits are processed.
I would think the fiber alone from replacing "junk food" with fresh vegetables would be beneficial?
How much does YUM brands pay True Adonis? ;D
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What the fuck do you know about anything Smeagol? Most Americans are overfed and undernourished. One look at their dietary habits will tell you that. You don't believe a thing your saying on this. You're an ideologue. You come up with stupid impractical ideas because you don't understand human beings. Not that that's a surprise to anyone. You're an empty vessel. A Godless, wanna-be, spindly, little putz. Cut the act Ables, the jig has been up for a long time. You're not nearly as clever or witty or whatever other delusion of grandeur you have of yourself.
Get with the program. You have absolutely no clue what's going on in the real world. So get your skinny little parenthesis looking legs back in the kitchen with ladies and make us some biscuits till you learn a thing or two. Adonis principles...Oh brother. ::)
Ahhhhhhh. That felt good. Carry on.
Your mouth is nothing more than a garbage dump for the sewage treatment plant you call a "physique". You are, in essence, a giant black turd.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2449843/Frozen-food-IS-better-Higher-levels-vitamins-antioxidants.html
Frozen food IS better than fresh: Higher levels of vitamins and antioxidants in frozen fruit and vegetables say scientists
Study finds two out of three foods found to have more nutrients if frozen
Experts say frozen prevents cancer and aids the body, brain, skin and eyes
'Results demonstrate frozen can be nutritionally comparable to fresh'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2449843/Frozen-food-IS-better-Higher-levels-vitamins-antioxidants.html#ixzz2tYO8cyOx
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Professor Graham Bonwick(correct), of the University of Chester, said: ‘Unlike frozen, some fresh produce concentrations of antioxidant compounds exhibited a decrease during refrigerated storage to levels below those observed in the corresponding frozen produce. The effects were most noticeable in soft fruits.’
While the studies were independent, they were funded by the British Frozen Food Association, which speaks for producers.
Its director general, Brian Young, said: ‘Fast and highly organised methods of ‘harvest-to-freeze’ have evolved with the express purpose of minimising nutrient losses.
‘In contrast, ‘fresh’ food has been shown to spend up to a month in the chain of producers, wholesalers and retailers before consumers have access to store and prepare them.
‘During this time we know that product deterioration takes place - to the extent that they can have lower nutritional value than their frozen equivalent.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2449843/Frozen-food-IS-better-Higher-levels-vitamins-antioxidants.html#ixzz2tYOYI1rQ
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And what the fuck are you morons using this idiot as an authority figure on what's healthy and what's not for? Because he was a fatass that got in shape? Because he can cook? Because he portrays to you he's some Edomite Blue blood?
This moron wont even acknowledge the damage GMOs do. Or that organic is indeed better than GMO. Or the corruption behind it with the FDA and big corporations. Which is public. I swear some of guys just love blindly following people sometimes and you don't even know why. Not all of you obviously. Geez. Think for yourselves. He's trolling you.
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Yeah, frozen really is better than fresh from a nutritional standpoint. So unless you want something to have a certain consistency or texture, just buy frozen.
Fun fact: freeze a whole banana, thaw, peel, and leave it in your refrigerator. It'll look just like a turd in color and consistency ;D
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You're steering this in the direction of processed versus non processed fruits and vegetables, yet no one is disputing this.
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You're steering this in the direction of processed versus non processed fruits and vegetables, yet no one is disputing this.
They are processed foods though. Just like tuna in a can is a processed food or chicken in a can or green beans in a can.
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Again....the answer is yes.
TA might not agree with but "experts" and "officials" recommend that.
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They are processed foods though. Just like tuna in a can is a processed food or chicken in a can or green beans in a can.
You're pretty smart TA, I know you know what they're referring to when they use the term processed.
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By processed food, I thought the OP meant stuff like oreos, juices, etc. ::)
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It wouldn`t matter one bit if their caloric intake was too high to begin with. Obese people are not suffering from lack of nutrients or lack of nutrition. I would encourage them to eat three meals a day and cook each meal and have only one serving of each meal.
The food isn`t the problem, just like the gun is not the problem. Its the moron behind the fork or the trigger that is the problem.
People arnt suffering from lack of nutrients?
Really. I like u. I beleive your.a true natural. But really.
Why is it suggested over 90 percent of people eat somethih like under 10 percent of required magnesium day.almost zero k2 vitamin in.diet. zinc also severely low about half the minerals And vitamins.are severely low from eating.processed foods like breakfast of champions.McDonald's coffee And bagel. Average diet where is the nutrients...
Same for lunch Starbucks and a muffin . They are severlt missing nutrients. A calorie maybe a calorie but doesn't mean.a muffin.has same micronutrients as broclli spinich and cow liver does it?
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People arnt suffering from lack of nutrients?
Really. I like u. I beleive your.a true natural. But really.
Why is it suggested over 90 percent of people eat somethih like under 10 percent of required magnesium day.almost zero k2 vitamin in.diet. zinc also severely low about half the minerals And vitamins.are severely low from eating.processed foods like breakfast of champions.McDonald's coffee And bagel. Average diet where is the nutrients...
Same for lunch Starbucks and a muffin . They are severlt missing nutrients. A calorie maybe a calorie but doesn't mean.a muffin.has same micronutrients as broclli spinich and cow liver does it?
He's trolling. Don't fall into it. He's not that stupid.
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By processed food, I thought the OP meant stuff like oreos, juices, etc. ::)
We're all on the same page, TA is just trying to brilliantly change the premise. ;D
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I can see how TA gets severely annoyed at all the mistruths about nutrition, but this is too much...
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So we can conclude that frozen fruit can be better than fresh fruit regarding its nutritional value, however this doesn't apply to other kinds of processed food, like cookies, etc. 8)
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By processed food, I thought the OP meant stuff like oreos, juices, etc. ::)
What is wrong with orange juice with Calcium and Vitamin D added? ???
(http://images.meredith.com/fitness/images/2009/06/ss_101382778.jpg)
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We're all on the same page, TA is just trying to brilliantly change the premise. ;D
I agree 100%
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So we can conclude that frozen fruit can be better than fresh fruit regarding its nutritional value, however this doesn't apply to other kinds of processed food, like cookies, etc. 8)
TA, could I possibly get the same variety of nutrients and fiber that broccoli contains from the same caloric intake of Oreos?
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So we can conclude that frozen fruit can be better than fresh fruit regarding its nutritional value, however this doesn't apply to other kinds of processed food, like cookies, etc. 8)
Why would you compare a cookie to an orange? Although I could make a cookie that is better than an orange nutrition wise easily.
They have things like this out there: Nutrient rich, processed cookies that are good for you though.
(http://pricechopper.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/whonu-cookies.jpg?w=540)
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So we can conclude that frozen fruit can be better than fresh fruit regarding its nutritional value, however this doesn't apply to other kinds of processed food, like cookies, etc. 8)
Fuck frozen.vegi because that's not the point. They were obv talking.about the average diet of coffee n.bagel . Then coffee n muffin then maybe dinner is.a chicken.sandwhich and Maybe something.green.highly doubt it and a soda.
That is the average American diet. We all know how 90 percent of.our co workers eat lunch is sometimes.just a smoke or.a energy drink n.smoke maybe a fuxking chocolate bar.
Maybe he's right frozen.is better doe.fruit nutrients.but I personally know very few family n family of.friends.who eat that. Try meals.of.pasta n meat only zero greens n fruits.
All fucking grains and turd meat
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TA, could I possibly get the same variety of nutrients and fiber that broccoli contains from the same caloric intake of Oreos?
Look Rodge. I like you, you're a nice kid. Please tell me you're not this stupid. Please tell me you're trolling.
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TA, could I possibly get the same variety of nutrients and fiber that broccoli contains from the same caloric intake of Oreos?
Lol they actually have vitamin cookies like Oreos....called whowhatsit or whonuit or something. They have a dirt/soil-like mineral-y flavor
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TA, could I possibly get the same variety of nutrients and fiber that broccoli contains from the same caloric intake of Oreos?
Of course not, but you could get more enjoyment out of the Oreos. Why not just eat both?
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Look Rodge. I like you, you're a nice kid. Please tell me you're not this stupid. Please tell me you're trolling.
No, I just wanted to know if TA would agree ;D
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Of course not, but you could get more enjoyment out of the Oreos. Why not just eat both?
Oh yeah, I agree with you there.
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What's the nutritional value of TA
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Fuck frozen.vegi because that's not the point. They were obv talking.about the average diet of coffee n.bagel . Then coffee n muffin then maybe dinner is.a chicken.sandwhich and Maybe something.green.highly doubt it and a soda.
That is the average American diet. We all know how 90 percent of.our co workers eat lunch is sometimes.just a smoke or.a energy drink n.smoke maybe a fuxking chocolate bar.
Maybe he's right frozen.is better doe.fruit nutrients.but I personally know very few family n family of.friends.who eat that. Try meals.of.pasta n meat only zero greens n fruits.
All fucking grains and turd meat
1. Frozen vegetables are a processed food. Throwing a tantrum will not change this.
2. Bagels are usually packed with a lot of fiber, vitamins and protein actually. Coffee has a ton of antioxidants, not to mention the positive effects of caffeine.
3. A chicken sandwich is a great source of protein
4. Your average american diet you listed looks good to me, but I don` think that is average really.
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We're all on the same page, TA is just trying to brilliantly change the premise. ;D
Yes.
However he always feels the need to be condescending.
His way is the only way in his eyes. ::)
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Look Rodge. I like you, you're a nice kid. Please tell me you're not this stupid. Please tell me you're trolling.
Might swell join em now...
Usually people stop if u humor them. Let's try
What do u guys think of my new diet Oreos. Pepsi breakfast Oreo is for the calcium in.the white part got some.milk in it I thinlunch red bull for b2 b6 b12.
Dinner piece of sliced processed cheese . Gingerbreed cookie man and a piece of brocolli for fiber. I think I met ALL my micronutrients needs.
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People arnt suffering from lack of nutrients?
Really. I like u. I beleive your.a true natural. But really.
Why is it suggested over 90 percent of people eat somethih like under 10 percent of required magnesium day.almost zero k2 vitamin in.diet. zinc also severely low about half the minerals And vitamins.are severely low from eating.processed foods like breakfast of champions.McDonald's coffee And bagel. Average diet where is the nutrients...
Same for lunch Starbucks and a muffin . They are severlt missing nutrients. A calorie maybe a calorie but doesn't mean.a muffin.has same micronutrients as broclli spinich and cow liver does it?
Breakfast of Champions? You mean Wheaties? That is one of the VERY best things you can eat for nutrients. Its got all of your nutrients at 100 percent per serving. I, myself, usually have 2 servings of Wheaties or a bran cereal a day. Tons of vitamins and tons of fiber.
One of the best things you can actually eat nutrient wise.
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Yes.
However he always feels the need to be condescending.
His way is the only way in his eyes. ::)
Science, Evidence and Facts are the only ways. Nothing else.
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Might swell join em now...
Usually people stop if u humor them. Let's try
What do u guys think of my new diet Oreos. Pepsi breakfast Oreo is for the calcium in.the white part got some.milk in it I thinlunch red bull for b2 b6 b12.
Dinner piece of sliced processed cheese . Gingerbreed cookie man and a piece of brocolli for fiber. I think I met ALL my micronutrients needs.
I am willing to bet my diet blows yours out of the water on a daily basis actually as far as nutrients are concerned. I will eat a whole sleeve of Oreos for you even one day and show you that my Macros will still come out better than yours. :D
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Breakfast of Champions? You mean Wheaties? That is one of the VERY best things you can eat for nutrients. Its got all of your nutrients at 100 percent per serving. I, myself, usually have 2 servings of Wheaties or a bran cereal a day. Tons of vitamins and tons of fiber.
One of the best things you can actually eat nutrient wise.
A bowl of wheaties and.high protirn dinner will not make a healthy micronutrients profile.
We are meant to.survive off much more nutrient rich itemsm ever compare a meal of.beef liver to wheaties?
Where's your b12 in wheaties.
Any meat m dark greens blows any cereal out of water in that sense. And micronutrients are what really matter.
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What kind of grown up man behaves like this. Sad.
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I am willing to bet my diet blows yours out of the water on a daily basis actually as far as nutrients are concerned. I will eat a whole sleeve of Oreos for you even one day and show you that my Macros will still come out better than yours. :D
I have my.binges not as much but back.in day polishing off a whole cake in one sitting and many sodas a day even 12 pack.was not un common for me. and yes always been lean a ecto.
That still does not make up for a diet if half.ur diet is junk. And I ate same calories of all.dark greens 2 lbs of beef liver a day other meats and fruits would make for a much healthy body.
How much magnesium example.a day do.you get from your food. Can u post all the magneosuk.lvls in all the foods u eat. I doubt u get enuff from.your foodsm
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Science, Evidence and Facts are the only ways. Nothing else.
You foolish man. I AM a scientist.
And any intelligent person will realize that whatever argument you or anyone else puts forth can be countered with scientific evidence.
We could go back and forth for pages disputing claims for absolutely anything.
However one tends to go where the MOST evidence is. You, however do not.
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I am willing to bet my diet blows yours out of the water on a daily basis actually as far as nutrients are concerned. I will eat a whole sleeve of Oreos for you even one day and show you that my Macros will still come out better than yours. :D
But ur really going.to tell me ull ne healthy if.we both ate exact same calories carbs n fats n protirn a day. If I ate 2000 calls of.red meat. Green vegi. Fruit. Good oils flax and coconutoil.
And u ate half good n half cals.from sleeves of Oreos ur be healthier really just cause our cals.r the same.be honest..
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You foolish man. I AM a scientist.
And any intelligent person will realize that whatever argument you or anyone else puts forth can be countered with scientific evidence.
We could go back and forth for pages disputing claims for absolutely anything.
However one tends to go where the MOST evidence is. You, however do not.
You are wrong wrong wrong. Science is always.right first time never been proven wrong.ever.
Science proved first time Anabolics would not have any performance.enchancing.e ffects n they were right.
And also the world.is flat.
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You are wrong wrong wrong. Science is always.right first time never been proven wrong.ever.
Science proved first time Anabolics would not have any performance.enchancing.e ffects n they were right.
And also the world.is flat.
Damn well you've countered my argument brilliantly.
TA MUST be right in his assertions!
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Damn well you've countered my argument brilliantly.
TA MUST be right in his assertions!
This just in all over every news station.CBS NBC reports new findings by researchs.
Everything. TA has ever said about nutrition is wrong and he is possible a screw loose from.wearing his mother's underwear and blowing his fucking brains out.
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You foolish man. I AM a scientist.
What do you do?
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What do you do?
I'm laughing...I don't understand the question really.
I do research in the oilsands. Although I'm switching careers here. My background is chemistry and engineering.
In the oilsands I've studied air, soil, bitumen, ore, water quality.....reclamation. ...plant processes.....mining processes, etc.
In university I researched a lot of nutritional/food chemistry.
I go a bit bazonkers when people insist fake sugars are "death". But I don't like to get into the debates on this board.....people are right because "the internet said so". ::)
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I'm laughing...I don't understand the question really.
I do research in the oilsands. Although I'm switching careers here. My background is chemistry and engineering.
In the oilsands I've studied air, soil, bitumen, ore, water quality.....reclamation. ...plant processes.....mining processes, etc.
In university I researched a lot of nutritional/food chemistry.
I go a bit bazonkers when people insist fake sugars are "death". But I don't like to get into the debates on this board.....people are right because "the internet said so". ::)
lol
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adonis is playing semantics.
hes saying the sugar scare is reasonless i see.
the governments say a little bit sugar daily is fine.they dont demonize it.
theres smart calculators out there which can be used by non experts, but as ive said its pointless if one wont be caring anyway.
Adonis is trolling again
Guy eats shit and looks like shit.
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Adonis is trolling again
Guy eats shit and looks like shit.
well man
i was "eating like shit" here as well, and i'd say i look kinda RIPPED and SEPARATED 8)
ate big macs, tirimusi ice creams, potatoe chips and such
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=476838.0;attach=519906;image)
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A bowl of wheaties and.high protirn dinner will not make a healthy micronutrients profile.
We are meant to.survive off much more nutrient rich itemsm ever compare a meal of.beef liver to wheaties?
Where's your b12 in wheaties.
Any meat m dark greens blows any cereal out of water in that sense. And micronutrients are what really matter.
There is 100 percent of the RDA in my Bran Flakes Cereal per serving and I have a minimum of 2 servings per day.
This does not account for all of my b12 as I eat a lot of other things during the day.
So yes, there is a ton of b12 in Bran Flakes or wheaties type cereals.
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You foolish man. I AM a scientist.
And any intelligent person will realize that whatever argument you or anyone else puts forth can be countered with scientific evidence.
We could go back and forth for pages disputing claims for absolutely anything.
However one tends to go where the MOST evidence is. You, however do not.
1. I have no idea what you are.
2. You were dead wrong when you used to think aspartame was bad. You made up your mind first until you actually looked at the evidence and Science (something that you are failing to do here)
3. I do not believe there are any counters to the Science I have highlighted as they are indisputable.
4. I only go where the overwhelming majority of evidence and Science takes me, nothing else. Hope this helps.
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But ur really going.to tell me ull ne healthy if.we both ate exact same calories carbs n fats n protirn a day. If I ate 2000 calls of.red meat. Green vegi. Fruit. Good oils flax and coconutoil.
And u ate half good n half cals.from sleeves of Oreos ur be healthier really just cause our cals.r the same.be honest..
Yes. I could choose different foods in addition to the Oreos in order to manipulate my nutrition to come out "better" than yours. Better in this case means more nutrient dense.
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I'm laughing...I don't understand the question really.
I do research in the oilsands. Although I'm switching careers here. My background is chemistry and engineering.
In the oilsands I've studied air, soil, bitumen, ore, water quality.....reclamation. ...plant processes.....mining processes, etc.
In university I researched a lot of nutritional/food chemistry.
I go a bit bazonkers when people insist fake sugars are "death". But I don't like to get into the debates on this board.....people are right because "the internet said so". ::)
But I can dig up a ton of your posts on here where you were wrong or had no clue about nutrition. ???
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well man
i was "eating like shit" here as well, and i'd say i look kinda RIPPED and SEPARATED 8)
ate big macs, tirimusi ice creams, potatoe chips and such
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=476838.0;attach=519906;image)
Impressive as always my friend!
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But I can dig up a ton of your posts on here where you were wrong or had no clue about nutrition. ???
Go do it please.
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The strange thing is I rarely talk about diet besides banter.
I'm looking forward to seeing a whole bunch of posts about nutrition from me.
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You are wrong wrong wrong. Science is always.right first time never been proven wrong.ever.
Science proved first time Anabolics would not have any performance.enchancing.e ffects n they were right.
And also the world.is flat.
I answered your PM by the way my friend!
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Go do it please.
Ok.
Its the preservativesv that shock the body and cause one to feel like hell. If you've been away from preservative s for awhile, your body will react when you ingest them after a break.
Wrong.
Totally wrong. Your body does not have any special signals to "detect" a preservative. You actually think you know EXACTLY when you are eating Seaweed, which is a common preservative and is all natural?
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The strange thing is I rarely talk about diet besides banter.
I'm looking forward to seeing a whole bunch of posts about nutrition from me.
Kind of like that Doug Miller interview you made up where he talked about myostatin deficiency (never happened). :D
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I know many women and a couple men that have metabolic damage/adrenal fatigue. They eat WAY below maintenance and can't lose a fucking pound.
A calorie is NOT a calorie.
Way to marry two unrelated statements in the hopes of making some sore of coherent (totally incoherent) correlation.
Sometimes I wish Getbig had a moron filter or something of the sort.
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If a calorie is a calorie why don't we see pro bodybuilders diet down on beef jerky and chocolate bars.
Do they enjoy veggies, chicken and oats more so? Oh wait.....they are lower calorie so you can eat more of them....right?
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I answered your PM by the way my friend!
Thanks. Like I.said I.have respect.since I.truely believe your natural.
But I.def do beg to differ that why eat the box full.of.Oreos of 1000 clas.of carbs. Cals I mean. When u could.get more micro nutrients from 1000 cals.of carbs from more micro nutrient sources.
I.strongly feel the rda requirmemts is.just to. Sustain life not be over healthpy athlete needs tho.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=448003.msg6431174#msg6431174
What's Worse? Sugars Or Saturated Fats?
« on: November 14, 2012, 07:14:24 PM »
In your opinion...health wise and for fat loss?
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Thanks. Like I.said I.have respect.since I.truely believe your natural.
But I.def do beg to differ that why eat the box full.of.Oreos of 1000 clas.of carbs. Cals I mean. When u could.get more micro nutrients from 1000 cals.of carbs from more micro nutrient sources.
I.strongly feel the rda requirmemts is.just to. Sustain life not be over healthpy athlete needs tho.
I wouldn`t necessarily eat 1000 in Oreos ever, but one could do it and still make up their nutrients with the remaining calories for a healthy diet if they were so inclined to do so. No idea why someone would want to try that though.
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Its not semantics. Its called facts and evidence. Too many calories are the culprit and nothing else. It does not matter where they come from.
true for your health and weight it doesnt mather if all your calories come from alcohol or proteins carbs and fat ::)
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true for your health and weight it doesnt mather if all your calories come from alcohol or proteins carbs and fat ::)
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1. I have no idea what you are.
2. You were dead wrong when you used to think aspartame was bad. You made up your mind first until you actually looked at the evidence and Science (something that you are failing to do here)
3. I do not believe there are any counters to the Science I have highlighted as they are indisputable.
4. I only go where the overwhelming majority of evidence and Science takes me, nothing else. Hope this helps.
The safety of aspartame is too questionable for me...
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???
a calorie is a calorie as you say.
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a calorie is a calorie as you say.
A calorie is a calorie as far as the definition goes but as for nutrition its clearly not true.
You can have an emply calorie devoid of any nutritional value and a nutritionaly dense calorie.
Also you can eat as much lean protien as you like if you eliminate fats and carbs, you will not gain weight, in fact you will eventually die regardless of how much you eat.
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The safety of aspartame is too questionable for me...
It shouldn`t be given that the Scientific consensus is overwhelming regarding the safety of Aspartame. Its one of the safest substances in our food supply and has been one of the most widely tested in decades of research.
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a calorie is a calorie as you say.
A macro-nutrient is not a macro-nutrient though.
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A calorie is a calorie as far as the definition goes but as for nutrition its clearly not true.
You can have an emply calorie devoid of any nutritional value and a nutritionaly dense calorie.
Also you can eat as much lean protien as you like if you eliminate fats and carbs, you will not gain weight, in fact you will eventually die regardless of how much you eat.
You are referring to "rabbit starvation" I presume.
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You are referring to "rabbit starvation" I presume.
Yes.
Can you explain why calories from lean protien alone cannot sustain a human body if a calorie is just a calorie.
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Ok.
Wrong.
Totally wrong. Your body does not have any special signals to "detect" a preservative. You actually think you know EXACTLY when you are eating Seaweed, which is a common preservative and is all natural?
Nope....not wrong at all. It's a shock to the system when you've been without and all of a sudden you have an abundance of preservatives.
Totally right.
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Here is my question: What isn't processed these days? Chicken breast you buy in a bag? Tuna fish in a can?
It's all about calorie intake people. There are chemicals in everything these days. Hell, they say even bottled water may give you cancer.
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Every link you provided Adonis you can't provide an explanation for an argument.
One is just a thread I started wanting to know people's personal opinions?
Come on....stop playing stupid and start backing up your science.
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Way to marry two unrelated statements in the hopes of making some sore of coherent (totally incoherent) correlation.
Sometimes I wish Getbig had a moron filter or something of the sort.
This has nothing to do with a diet argument.
So explain to us why these are not correlated.....EXPLAIN.
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So are people saying I can't get ripped on a diet of Lean Cuisine frozen meals?
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Impressive as always my friend!
thank you brother
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Every link you provided Adonis you can't provide an explanation for an argument.
One is just a thread I started wanting to know people's personal opinions?
Come on....stop playing stupid and start backing up your science.
I always post sources and links. Hope this helps.
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Yes.
Can you explain why calories from lean protien alone cannot sustain a human body if a calorie is just a calorie.
A Macronutrient is not a Macronutrient. Eating nothing but lean meats such as rabbit alone will not be sustainable because you are severely lacking in nutrients. This is totally irrelevant since none of us are lacking food sources. As I will say for the 100000th time, once your dietary needs are met, the only factor we need to be concerned about is the total amount of calories. Consume more than you burn from Protein, Carbs, or Fats at that point will not matter. You will not lose bodyfat no matter what you do.
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This has nothing to do with a diet argument.
So explain to us why these are not correlated.....EXPLAIN.
The females you purportedly know have changed their metabolic rate so that the calories they eat have them stuck in homeostasis. At that point, they are not eating "below maintenance" like you suggested. They are eating their "new" maintenance-the changed metabolic rate. They would need to lower calories further, or reverse diet back up to fix their situation and improve their metabolic rate.
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A Macronutrient is not a Macronutrient. Eating nothing but lean meats such as rabbit alone will not be sustainable because you are severely lacking in nutrients. This is totally irrelevant since none of us are lacking food sources. As I will say for the 100000th time, once your dietary needs are met, the only factor we need to be concerned about is the total amount of calories. Consume more than you burn from Protein, Carbs, or Fats at that point will not matter. You will not lose bodyfat no matter what you do.
With that in mind dont you think its important to make every calorie count micronutrient wise when on a restricted calorie diet rather than eating empty junk calories?
Just because it fits your macros doesnt mean its the optimum way to diet.
I want every calorie to count when Im on a diet and I want to take in as many vitamins and minerals with each of those calories.
It doesnt make sense to be eating Oreos when I could be eating something with a higher nutritional content.
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With that in mind dont you think its important to make every calorie count micronutrient wise when on a restricted calorie diet rather than eating empty junk calories?
Just because it fits your macros doesnt mean its the optimum way to diet.
I want every calorie to count when Im on a diet and I want to take in as many vitamins and minerals with each of those calories.
It doesnt make sense to be eating Oreos when I could be eating something with a higher nutritional content.
It won`t matter since nutrition needs are easily met. Every calorie does not "have to count" beyond that point.
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It won`t matter since nutrition needs are easily met. Every calorie does not "have to count" beyond that point.
You have no idea what it takes to get contest ready, you only know how to diet like a fat fuck who joins weightwatchers.
When your cals are severely restricted to get rid of the last remnants of fat, its important that what you put in isn't shite.
You will only grasp this once you man up enough to go the extra mile.
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You have no idea what it takes to get contest ready, you only know how to diet like a fat fuck who joins weightwatchers.
When your cals are severely restricted to get rid of the last remnants of fat, its important that what you put in isn't shite.
You will only grasp this once you man up enough to go the extra mile.
You shouldn`t have to severely restrict your calories. So many lifetime naturals get leaner than you ever have and do not severely restrict their calories.
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You shouldn`t have to severely restrict your calories. So many lifetime naturals get leaner than you ever have and do not severely restrict their calories.
Stop making what you believe are factual statements when you have zero evidence to back them up.
Look doughnut, get yourself down to 5% and see for yourself.
You can just use your normal diet and get as far as you can with that then see how hard it is after that.
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Stop making what you believe are factual statements when you have zero evidence to back them up.
Look doughnut, get yourself down to 5% and see for yourself.
You can just use your normal diet and get as far as you can with that then see how hard it is after that.
Since you have such a hatred and bias toward me, lets focus on some lifetime naturals who do not severely restrict their caloric intake and post their diet.
What you?
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That health authorities world wide recommend we eat less processed food and more fruits and vegetables?
Yes, they recommend all the time.
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Since you have such a hatred and bias toward me, lets focus on some lifetime naturals who do not severely restrict their caloric intake and post their diet.
What you?
Hate you?
I wish you would just try and achieve what you keep saying many other lifetime naturals are achieving.
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Hate you?
I wish you would just try and achieve what you keep saying many other lifetime naturals are achieving.
Wouldn`t it be better to just focus on others, so your bias towards me plays no factor?
You already have accused me of steroids, lying about what I eat and on and on. So lets just take me out of the equation and focus on others, shall we?
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Wouldn`t it be better to just focus on others, so your bias towards me plays no factor?
You already have accused me of steroids, lying about what I eat and on and on. So lets just take me out of the equation and focus on others, shall we?
No worries, just stop telling people they can get contest ready on your diet.
If you want to keep saying that then do it yourself.
Its all good.
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No worries, just stop telling people they can get contest ready on your diet.
If you want to keep saying that then do it yourself.
Its all good.
Ok, I will stop. Sorry I annoyed you with my advices.
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Ok, I will stop. Sorry I annoyed you with my advices.
Thank you
I wasn't annoyed though.
Its just the interwebz.