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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Uncle Junior on February 20, 2014, 04:35:33 PM
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by day 2 your head will hurt so bad
you'll be lying on your computer room floor moaning like a little bitch
i wouldnt do it
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Why are you so hellbent on sabotaging yourself Junior? Do you dislike yourself so much and therefore overcompensate by showering others with cash/gifts?
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5 days is psychotic. Try 36hrs first...it's difficult, but not impossible
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skip the water too, like a real man.
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Water is bad for you.
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and the injection whayts with that
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Don't forget the 3CCs of liquid chlomid
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Lazar eats 4,000 calories a day. People who starve themselves like you end up skinny-fat...Like you. When will you learn?
You are anorexic man. It's not a joke it's an actual mental disorder and you have it...You need to be eating a lot (of the correct clean foods) to get big and shredded, not starving, you're doing more harm than good.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-P7PvmWHZ_bA/UntyBye5CbI/AAAAAAAAAfU/qeEIBpkznzI/s1600/Because-underwear-is-too-mainstream.jpg)
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Water is overrated, try 7 days min.
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dont think lazar eats 4000 cals a day.
when?on christmas?
he also claims natural
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Lazar isn't natural, so let's not compare him to a guy whose system burns calories at a normal rate.
He also has an appreciable build, which means his metabolism is sky high
and probably gets most of his calories from sources other than carbs, other than on loading days and postworkout
not to mention, he might just be genetically gifted with good T3/4 levels
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Lazar isn't natural, so let's not compare him to a guy whose system burns calories at a normal rate.
He also has an appreciable build, which means his metabolism is sky high
and probably gets most of his calories from sources other than carbs, other than on loading days and postworkout
not to mention, he might just be genetically gifted with good T3/4 levels
nah stop it, hes not eating some special kinds of sardines, neither is he much bigger than me, the 4k calories does not get him abodyfat level like the above picture.
it is not happening.
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nah stop it, hes not eating some special kinds of sardines, neither is he much bigger than me, the 4k calories does not get him abodyfat level like the above picture.
it is not happening.
all that is true + he doesn't eat 4k, that was my implication
not that he gets 4k from proteins and fats
because we know that would take a shitload of keto-type food, and nobody does that and avoids being flat in the process
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dont think lazar eats 4000 cals a day.
when?on christmas?
he also claims natural
He's that lean @ 6'0 200lbs he eats a shit ton.
Example day of his:
Meal 1: Oatmeal, Eggs, Peanut Butter & Grapefruit - 600+cal
Meal 2: Rice, Chicken & Broccoli - 600+ cal
Meal 3: Pasta, Tuna Fish & Avocado - 600+ cal
Meal 4: Rice, Chicken - 600+ cal
Meal 5: Salmon & Green Salad - 500cal
Meal 6: Chicken, Cottage Cheese & Broccoli - 600+ cal
3,500+ give or take...
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claims natural.
claims 4000cals
that is all
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He's that lean @ 6'0 200lbs he eats a shit ton.
Example day of his:
Meal 1: Oatmeal, Eggs, Peanut Butter & Grapefruit - 600+cal
Meal 2: Rice, Chicken & Broccoli - 600+ cal
Meal 3: Pasta, Tuna Fish & Avocado - 600+ cal
Meal 4: Rice, Chicken - 600+ cal
Meal 5: Salmon & Green Salad - 500cal
Meal 6: Chicken, Cottage Cheese & Broccoli - 600+ cal
3,500+ give or take...
nobody eats like that all year. Not Cutler, not him. No way. That's a precontest diet, except for the cottage cheese. What does he eat the rest of the time?
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Please this is a serious question no bullshit troll answers:
The question is:
Theoretically how long can you do a water fast for (absolutely no food, protein drinks or anything) WHILE (and this is key) training for couple of hours everyday.
I want to try do 5 day water fast while training.
Is this realistic while weight training?
I expect after 48 hours to not really be able to do much, is this correct?
You should do the Dr. Oz Cleanse, it's great
http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/dr-ozs-3-day-detox-cleanse-one-sheet
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Water Fasting is meant to be a healing process for the body, means you're not suppose to train at all. You should rest and heal your body & mind. If you're afraid of losing gains/muscle bellies don't worry, you ain't losing muscle.. mostly water, some fat + very little muscle.
You see muscle is one of the last thing the body will use as a fuel, if you come to that stage you're in for starvation. To come to that stage you'll need to be minimum 28days water fasting. Proper water fasting can be done 40 days without starvation
3 stages of water fasting:
Pre-fast
Fasting
After-fast
want to know more? Google it you dumb b*tch!!
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He's that lean @ 6'0 200lbs he eats a shit ton.
Example day of his:
Meal 1: Oatmeal, Eggs, Peanut Butter & Grapefruit - 600+cal
Meal 2: Rice, Chicken & Broccoli - 600+ cal
Meal 3: Pasta, Tuna Fish & Avocado - 600+ cal
Meal 4: Rice, Chicken - 600+ cal
Meal 5: Salmon & Green Salad - 500cal
Meal 6: Chicken, Cottage Cheese & Broccoli - 600+ cal
3,500+ give or take...
nice copy pasta diet
you also believe hes natural?
have you ever been shreded?just asking
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I respect a physique like that just as much if I know he's cruising on gear while he's dieting/training. It doesn't take industrial amounts to get something like that. But it does affect how the training/diet affect his gains. Can't give a natty advice if you're not on the same playing field. There is a big diff between even 200mg/test a week and being natural, which is what - 30-70mg or so? lol
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hes lying about the most important part of all, the drugs, yet his diet somehow must be believeable.
haha, dont think so.
no gramms on the foods either on that diet laayout ::)
@temper, whats up, have you ever been shredded or are you repeating hearsay?
i notice a ulling bck ,suddenly 4k calories is now 3500"give or take"
you talking with veterans here bro, this kind of bs doesnt fly with everyone.
speacial t3 levels?really?
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claims natural.
claims 4000cals
that is all
I don't buy the natural but calories can be true if he's very active.
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hes lying about the most important part of all, the drugs, yet his diet somehow must be believeable.
haha, dont think so.
no gramms on the foods either on that diet laayout ::)
@temper, whats up, have you ever been shredded or are you repeating hearsay?
i notice a ulling bck ,suddenly 4k calories is now 3500"give or take"
you talking with veterans here bro, this kind of bs doesnt fly with everyone.
speacial t3 levels?really?
Lol of course the guy is not natural...Mr Olympia claims natural man cmon. All about sponsors selling protein to gullible 15 year old kids so everyone is natural.
I bring up a random fitness model type just to enforce the image that physiques are not built nor maintained on 1,000cal diets. I don't care what you say, if you need to eat 800 cal a day, or do some anorexic 80lb female "water fast" to lose weight you have epically fucked your whole system up possibly beyond repair.
Obviously Uncle Junior needs to realize the body he wants is almost certainly 100% drug dumpster induced, and without drugs what he is doing will only make him skinny-fat 180lb fool.
I have been 6'1 180lb 7% bf on 2,500+ cals a day yes...6 day 2,500 cal keto / 1 day 5,000cal+ carb induced coma - refeed day. Nothing impressive..
500mg test a week and 10mg exemestane per night was all I needed to keep a lean 180lbs...Was very easy and comfortable eating 2500 a day. Never once starved or ate 1,000 a day..Never.
The point here isn't Lazar, it isn't 4,000 cal it is Uncle Junior thinking a natural can eat 600 cal a day and not wind up looking like this...
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/cPRvt1l3yns/0.jpg)
He needs to eat, and for his purposes he needs drugs lol...Maybe slight doses but still drugs..
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I think you (Joon) are just doing your body way more harm than good w/ this yo-yo starvation type of dieting. Even if you get to your desired weight level or body fat comp you will still be very disappointed with the results. The look will not be good or scream quality-believe me.
Which will lead to a crash in your psyche. You'll feel like you suffered for nothing which in turn could be the start of an even more downward spiral in your approach.
Listen to vets here. They've given you the blueprint. Just follow it.
At the very least, and I'm serious here. Take the fitness chick approach-anavar and clen. No hairloss which you mention, very mild, and at the very least it will prevent you from looking like a concentration camp survivor.
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Guys please, Junior isnt planning to do anything he writes on this board, seriously, dont encourage him by responding to these idiotic threads,
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Guys please, Junior isnt planning to do anything he writes on this board, seriously, dont encourage him by responding to these idiotic threads,
True. The fella has serious issues
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If you want to do a fast , just do a fast.
Why do you need to lift weights?
Just do one thing at a time. ;)
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Cut your water out for 3 weeks and then report back to us.
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Here is a pubmed article about a 382 day fast.
Can't believe it.
Postgrad Med J. 1973 March; 49(569): 203–209.
PMCID: PMC2495396
Features of a successful therapeutic fast of 382 days' duration
W. K. Stewart and Laura W. Fleming
Abstract
A 27-year-old male patient fasted under supervision for 382 days and has subsequently maintained his normal weight. Blood glucose concentrations around 30 mg/100 ml were recorded consistently during the last 8 months, although the patient was ambulant and attending as an out-patient. Responses to glucose and tolbutamide tolerance tests remained normal. The hyperglycaemic response to glucagon was reduced and latterly absent, but promptly returned to normal during carbohydrate refeeding. After an initial decrease was corrected, plasma potassium levels remained normal without supplementation. A temporary period of hypercalcaemia occurred towards the end of the fast. Decreased plasma magnesium concentrations were a consistent feature from the first month onwards. After 100 days of fasting there was a marked and persistent increase in the excretion of urinary cations and inorganic phosphate, which until then had been minimal. These increases may be due to dissolution of excessive soft tissue and skeletal mass. Prolonged fasting in this patient had no ill-effects.
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Here is the link -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396/
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Please this is a serious question no bullshit troll answers:
The question is:
Theoretically how long can you do a water fast for (absolutely no food, protein drinks or anything) WHILE (and this is key) training for couple of hours everyday.
I want to try do 5 day water fast while training.
Is this realistic while weight training?
I expect after 48 hours to not really be able to do much, is this correct?
No such thing as water fasting. The very idea is stupid and very dangerous.
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What in the fuck is this gay water fast shit, it sounds like some shit a big obese whore try (and fail miserably) to follow in a pathetic attempt get down to a size 112 dress for a night out.
You will look like a deflated balloon
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Water fasting is not dangerous if you keep your common sense with you, I could not go 5 days have done 2 and it was hard for me. Respect if you can go the distance. I would suggest not training though take walks and some stretching only.
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Water fasting is not dangerous if you keep your common sense with you, I could not go 5 days have done 2 and it was hard for me. Respect if you can go the distance. I would suggest not training though take walks and some stretching only.
whats the point
you need water to survive and function
he isnt a competitive bb
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I think everyone here is under the impression that he would be abstaining from Water? ???
During a water fast you don't eat any food to cleanse yourself, you only drink water.
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I think everyone here is under the impression that he would be abstaining from Water? ???
During a water fast you don't eat any food to cleanse yourself, you only drink water.
Knowing Uncle Juniors history he would indeed, be abstaining from water.
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Knowing Uncle Juniors history he would indeed, be abstaining from water.
lol..........
not good
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what are some other ways he can lose muscle as fast as possible to add to this brilliant catabolic plan?
how about staying awake throughout the fast, drinking turpentine, stabbing his quads with an ice pick for sets of 10 reps, scheduling surgery to have his glutes amputated...
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whats the point
you need water to survive and function
he isnt a competitive bb
Ah I think people have some misunderstanding when people say Water Fast it means all they will be consuming is water no food, coffee etc not fasting from water itself... I would definitely not recommend 5 days without water lol I dont even shut out water for competition just reduce it a bit.
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Ah I think people have some misunderstanding when people say Water Fast it means all they will be consuming is water no food, coffee etc not fasting from water itself... I would definitely not recommend 5 days without water lol I dont even shut out water for competition just reduce it a bit.
haha
bit early in the morning
its because its the kind of thing junior would do
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claims natural.
claims 4000cals
that is all
Zach Khan eats around 4000 cals off season.
That is all as well.. ;D
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Not true in my opinion that "muscle is the last thing your body goes for", I think that might true about muscle of vital organs like heart, liver, kidney etc but not muscle mass in other body areas which clearly your body doesn't need.
In my experience first thing that goes is water, then muscle then fat.
Off course I am natty so have to take that into account.
In fact I know from doing this a million times that anything less than 12% BF I will lose approximately 3lbs of muscle for every 1lb of fat.
This is fact as far as my body is concerned.
Do you think muscle goes first just because you feel weaker in the gym? Because that's just caused by a restrictive diet. Fat most certainly goes first
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Haha.....muscle burns first. The human body wants to hold onto fat as a source of insulation......your body fat and your fat surrounding the organs.
This is the reason why you have to keep your protein higher when trying to burn fat.....to prevent muscle loss.
Essentially this question all depends on one diet.
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The human body is badly designed. Or I should say, it was well designed a million years ago, when fat was needed.
It hasn't been needed for a very long time, but the body insists on conserving it
especially when you try to crack the single digits
it'll chew your muscle, slowing your metabolism, even though there's no health advantage - just the opposite
I can sympathize with non-naturals because they're basically forcing the body to stop being idiotic
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if anone or anything, muscle loss shouldnt be a concern for many, but juniors idea are actualy good measures to lose muscle.
that said my record fasted time is 60 hrs.
dont talk about it, just do it.or not.
this is not the stuff thats gonna work just bc you annonce it.
this is that one does when theyre mentaly ready for it.
he can do it though,hes got plenty of fat stored to survuve it.i did 60hrs when shredded
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I did one week with no food at all just last month.
The only side effects were headaches, insomnia, and perpetual hunger, and cardiac palpitations
no big deal really
and I lost 12lbs of water :)
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You will lose the last 5 pounds you want Junior....of water and muscle.
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You need physiological help! 300 test prop 300 masteron for 6 months solid diet and cardio you fucking nutcase.
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I just want to drop as much as possible before Dubai cos with this trip coming up (which is really annoying) I won't have access to my normal diet etc and might be forced to eat shit here and there (which I will try to avoid as much as possible), so I basically need to have an insurance policy against that.
Also found awesome gym there too, will post training vids if i can.
Dubai has state-of-the-art gyms, dude.
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Haha.....muscle burns first. The human body wants to hold onto fat as a source of insulation......your body fat and your fat surrounding the organs.
This is the reason why you have to keep your protein higher when trying to burn fat.....to prevent muscle loss.
Essentially this question all depends on one diet.
no.youre too simplicistic, but your ignorance is forgiven, you dont know how things work.dont want to infrigne your freddom of speech but keep mouth shut on matters you dont know, in own best interest.
first burned , depending on where one is(my goodness this feels so pointless, when you have diet knowlege knuckledragger levels like bikibi slut around who will never listen).means, did he train last few days, what did he eat etc.
if he didnt train the day before and doesnt go training for those 5 days, and does a proper 2 days carbo loading and bit fats before this, the muscle isnt going anywhere.can easy fast for 5 days, as long he dont work out, the glycogen will be enough for that time.
you couldnt be more wrong, the body wastes muscle as very last resort, jesus christ, go read some studies if you refuse to believe me, whos done this for decades consistenlty ::)
read a fucking book on human metabolism, dont be such a dumb arsed twaat.
you eat sugars, body gonna shift into carb burning mode.
you eat fats, the body will try to use that energy asap, but itll also store it very fast.
then comes glycogen, you realize what it takes to deplete of glycogen entirely?no you dont.,
then comes the fatburning mode, and depending on bodyfat levels and hormone levels muscle might get lost, a slight bit in 5days, no fucking arm will fall off.
this stuf deserves a phd title i dont even know why im adressing you with this.youre ok in all the rest,but shuuuut the fuck up about diet and metabolic processes.
it depens furthermore on the activity in those 5 days.is he gonna lay round or run amarathon every day?
even then, how much muscle will be gone in 5days?how much calories does a marathon run burn?
i rest my case.
junior, to be frank with you, you are volatile like a little girl with this, find something that you can consistenlty run, you are bit like johy falcon the fat swine who changes his diet every other day.
eating and diet is no magic, its rather soemthing like second nature to this sport.
this isnt a last resort drstic diet measuremnet for fat soccer moms to lose a lbs before they fly to holydays on mallorca,when they have 100lbs to lose in the first place.
in a way you got the same problem they have, not being consistent over enough time.you try to overdo things.
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Please this is a serious question no bullshit troll answers:
The question is:
Theoretically how long can you do a water fast for (absolutely no food, protein drinks or anything) WHILE (and this is key) training for couple of hours everyday.
I want to try do 5 day water fast while training.
Is this realistic while weight training?
I expect after 48 hours to not really be able to do much, is this correct?
I didn`t read the thread,but please have a steak,a baked potato,and a salad.
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^^^^^
all that is probably accurate but
how does one with a BF of, say, 20% like Junior
average metabolism
and generic musclular development
lean down to 7-9% naturally
using just diet, cardio, and weight training
is it carb cycling?
or interval cardio?
or supersetting/trisetting weight training for more calorie burning?
what's the ideal calorie level to set, so that there's no slowdown in metabolic activity due to overdieting
etc
these are questions he needs answers to before he royally fucks up his training and goes back to binging to feel better
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no.youre too simplicistic, but your ignorance is forgiven, you dont know how things work.dont want to infrigne your freddom of speech but keep mouth shut on matters you dont know, in own best interest.
first burned , depending on where one is(my goodness this feels so pointless, when you have diet knowlege knuckledragger levels like bikibi slut around who will never listen).means, did he train last few days, what did he eat etc.
if he didnt train the day before and doesnt go training for those 5 days, and does a proper 2 days carbo loading and bit fats before this, the muscle isnt going anywhere.can easy fast for 5 days, as long he dont work out, the glycogen will be enough for that time.
you couldnt be more wrong, the body wastes muscle as very last resort, jesus christ, go read some studies if you refuse to believe me, whos done this for decades consistenlty ::)
read a fucking book on human metabolism, dont be such a dumb arsed twaat.
you eat sugars, body gonna shift into carb burning mode.
you eat fats, the body will try to use that energy asap, but itll also store it very fast.
then comes glycogen, you realize what it takes to deplete of glycogen entirely?no you dont.,
then comes the fatburning mode, and depending on bodyfat levels and hormone levels muscle might get lost, a slight bit in 5days, no fucking arm will fall off.
this stuf deserves a phd title i dont even know why im adressing you with this.youre ok in all the rest,but shuuuut the fuck up about diet and metabolic processes.
it depens furthermore on the activity in those 5 days.is he gonna lay round or run amarathon every day?
even then, how much muscle will be gone in 5days?how much calories does a marathon run burn?
i rest my case.
junior, to be frank with you, you are volatile like a little girl with this, find something that you can consistenlty run, you are bit like johy falcon the fat swine who changes his diet every other day.
eating and diet is no magic, its rather soemthing like second nature to this sport.
this isnt a last resort drstic diet measuremnet for fat soccer moms to lose a lbs before they fly to holydays on mallorca,when they have 100lbs to lose in the first place.
in a way you got the same problem they have, not being consistent over enough time.you try to overdo things.
Oh brother you know absolutely nothing. ::)
It's like arguing with TA.
Sometimes you will lose fat....sometimes muscle....sometimes both. That's just how it is.
However as a bodybuilder we attempt to adjust diet/PED's/training to overcome certain things.
Like I said earlier....in general muscle will go first.
And with Junior fasting he is going to lose water and muscle.
Don't care if you believe it or not.
Just get off your True Adonis "God complex I'm always right and nobody else is". ::)
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you eat sugars, body gonna shift into carb burning mode.
you eat fats, the body will try to use that energy asap, but itll also store it very fast.
then comes glycogen, you realize what it takes to deplete of glycogen entirely?no you dont.,
then comes the fatburning mode, and depending on bodyfat levels and hormone levels muscle might get lost, a slight bit in 5days, no fucking arm will fall off.
it depens furthermore on the activity in those 5 days.is he gonna lay round or run amarathon every day?
even then, how much muscle will be gone in 5days?how much calories does a marathon run burn?
i rest my case.
eating and diet is no magic, its rather soemthing like second nature to this sport.
this isnt a last resort drstic diet measuremnet for fat soccer moms to lose a lbs before they fly to holydays on mallorca,when they have 100lbs to lose in the first place.
in a way you got the same problem they have, not being consistent over enough time.you try to overdo things.
If I didn`t know that Gal posted this,I would think it was one of my posts.
Good info and should be listened to by UJ before it`s too late.
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Really wanted to do Mast but I CANNOT lose my hair, can't even risk it so decided on low test 250mg Test E and Var 20mg (Pharma) and Arimidex (high dose 1mg a day), I might have to thrown in some GH too cos my shoulder is now completely killing me and I cant have more cotisone shots (had 6 in total, not allowed anymore) so thinking about pinning the GH IM into the shoulders at 10IU 3 x a week to see if it will make the pain go away.
Last time the GH helped my shoulder by like 65%.
I fucked up my shoulder this morning doing 100 kilo incline barbell presses, just felt it burning up in the same spot it always does in the left delt.
so is the first test onection in already for christ sake lol
btw, couple days ago i did pretty heavy bench pressing, shoulder felt ok, now that was a huge huge error.worst pains since long time.oh well.
from the videos, you can be absolute sure your hairline would fall victim to masteron badly,itd eat it right up.
that said, the anavar isnt a good choice for that either, and the adex will thin it out a bit, temporarily.
but hair transplanto is roughly 5k usd, whats that a better spent weekened out worth :D
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all that is probably accurate but
how does one with a BF of, say, 20% like Junior
average metabolism
and generic musclular development
lean down to 7-9% naturally
using just diet, cardio, and weight training
is it carb cycling?
or interval cardio?
or supersetting/trisetting weight training for more calorie burning?
what's the ideal calorie level to set, so that there's no slowdown in metabolic activity due to overdieting
etc
these are questions he needs answers to before he royally fucks up his training and goes back to binging to feel better
nah hes not 20% lol.
trainig, cardio, and fit some 1500cals in there a day, if hes natural couple 100will be from fats,if not can reduce fat intake to absolute minimum.
yeah carb cycling.its good as long one doesnt have cheat days or meals imo.
can crash the calories, but kinda must be prepared, once you crash,theres no going back, or,well, its no good.
its a thin line,e ating and resting only so much that you survive through the day and the training,long term, empashis on this.
Oh brother you know absolutely nothing. ::)
It's like arguing with TA.
Sometimes you will lose fat....sometimes muscle....sometimes both. That's just how it is.
However as a bodybuilder we attempt to adjust diet/PED's/training to overcome certain things.
Like I said earlier....in general muscle will go first.
And with Junior fasting he is going to lose water and muscle.
Don't care if you believe it or not.
Just get off your True Adonis "God complex I'm always right and nobody else is". ::)
you are an idiot.if your on steroids,the muscle doesnt go anywhere.
on diet things, youre the equivalent of like talking to a chipmunk, sorry to say.
you realize being adressed by nobody less than galeniko, contest shape or 10days out all year, 4 years and counting.
and youre female,lol.
to say muscle goes first is testimony to utter lack of knowledge and understanding.or trolling. dont care, you have been adressed.
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you are an idiot.if your on steroids,the muscle doesnt go anywhere.
steroids are a game changer
if you are a natural you can either be big perma bulker
or tiny and ripped
there is nothing you can do about it
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1500.
His BMR is probably about that, or maybe slightly less. Mine for instance is about 2k but I'm nearly 240.
So with the food, he's at about break even point. And with the training, just weights for instance, he goes into deficit.
How big should the deficit be? I heard too much deficit = definitely muscle loss. Unless you're on PEDs.
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you are an idiot.if your on steroids,the muscle doesnt go anywhere.
steroids are a game changer
if you are a natural you can either be big perma bulker
or tiny and ripped
there is nothing you can do about it
Have to agree.
If you're a meso-endo and you naturally get ripped, you'll be bigger than those twinks who are natural ectos with abs
but you'll then have issues putting on muscle and staying conditionned
kind of a catch 22
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If I didn`t know that Gal posted this,I would think it was one of my posts.
Good info and should be listened to by UJ before it`s too late.
yeah the secret to gains, shredeedness is first and foremost consistency.
not dosage(see esfitenss), not fatburners(se navyfatso mike)
i cant believe bs is an educated person, theres hope, can read up on studies, theres a minesota study on fatloss, also theres many books out there on metabolism.
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Why you guys continue giving Junior advice I can't figure out.
He's obviously not listening, nor is he going to listen.
I understand joining in the conversation but you don't get it....HE'S NOT LISTENING TO YOU.
Junior....btw.....you're at least 20% bf. ::)
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Farrrrrrk my life so u saying I am 20% BF bro???? Gal first said 10 then he said 12, everyone else said 15-16!
If I am 20% I am dropping T3 ASAP, don't care!
I don't know which of your body shots is recent. If you took a relaxed, vertical pics of yourself, I could give an estimate of your %
10 seems very low but gal isn't an amateur so I dunno
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UJ isn't going to do steroids. He already admitted he feels like a sell out if he does them....and he's given non stop excuses.
Once he comes back from Dubai he'll have another excuse.
So take the steroid discussion out of the equation...it doesn't apply to him.
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yeah the secret to gains, shredeedness is first and foremost consistency.
not dosage(see esfitenss), not fatburners(se navyfatso mike)
i cant believe bs is an educated person, theres hope, can read up on studies, theres a minesota study on fatloss, also theres many books out there on metabolism.
Minnesota study wiki
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Starvation_Experiment
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this is about 9.5% btw
so you being 10 seems ludicrous, no offense
(http://i.imgur.com/cb4Faji.jpg)
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Haha.....muscle burns first. The human body wants to hold onto fat as a source of insulation......your body fat and your fat surrounding the organs.
This is the reason why you have to keep your protein higher when trying to burn fat.....to prevent muscle loss.
Essentially this question all depends on one diet.
Hahaha--no.
"The body wants to hold onto muscle to maintain physical function. Muscles move the body and enable it to function"
See how anyone can make unverified claims?
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Why you guys continue giving Junior advice I can't figure out.
He's obviously not listening, nor is he going to listen.
Exactly why this is my last post in this thread Dot.
I like Joon,but he asks for advice and does the same ridiculous protocol as always,so see ya`!!
Good luck UJ.
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1500.
His BMR is probably about that, or maybe slightly less. Mine for instance is about 2k but I'm nearly 240.
So with the food, he's at about break even point. And with the training, just weights for instance, he goes into deficit.
How big should the deficit be? I heard too much deficit = definitely muscle loss. Unless you're on PEDs.
nah can forget about BMR thats a rough guesstimate for the non training fatsos out there who dont know nor care what they put in their motuh, its to prevent them from the very worst.
not 1 day is the same as far calorie needs are concerned, too many things happening, recovery and rebuilding of tissue eetc.
after few days off training, my calorie need goes down remarkably already, im good enough to feel that out.
we dont need any of those calculations, we have the bodys own system of checks and balances, its called hunger.
if one eats before theyre hungry,theyll gain weight.
if one eats only afeter they get hungry every time, they lose fat.
easy as that, ofc the protein must be there, but thats it.
you can believe me,to get shredded as in striated everywhere,fatless, the food reduction alone wont be enough.
gonna have to make up for the rest by exercisisng.
this is why its so ridiculous when ppl tell me how lazar eats 4000cals to get shredded, lol,hes not.
its just a matter of when you got shredded like that yourself, and all the pl who compete, then you know what it takes.
you are an idiot.if your on steroids,the muscle doesnt go anywhere.
steroids are a game changer
if you are a natural you can either be big perma bulker
or tiny and ripped
there is nothing you can do about it
yeah this.
or in other words, no way id bother with training natural at all.
even to get shredded, is much less forgiving than on some gear.
i eat a cupcake,the same day you can see that on the belly.its frightenting.
this is about 9.5% btw
so you being 10 seems ludicrous, no offense
(http://i.imgur.com/cb4Faji.jpg)
nah thats less, this guy is not far away from being stage ready actualy.
im not joking from that to stage ready i could do in 2 weeks.
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Hahaha--no.
"The body wants to hold onto muscle to maintain physical function. Muscles move the body and enable it to function"
See how anyone can make unverified claims?
Haha yes. Research it.
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Minnesota study wiki
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Starvation_Experiment
thanks bro.
now wash the semen and tears off your eyelids,bs, and do some reading.
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and they didnt even train.
training helps to preserve the muscle like nothing else does,barring steroids maybe.
Haha yes. Research it.
lol the irony.blind to see, the link was in her face, but nah.tells the ppl to research it.
mind you tells the ppl who are living it, backed up by the looks, theyre wrong ::)
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and they didnt even train.
training helps to preserve the muscle like nothing else does,barring steroids maybe.
lol the irony.blind to see, the link was in her face, but nah.tells the ppl to research it.
mind you tells the ppl who are living it, backed up by the looks, theyre wrong ::)
The wiki link???? Oh brother. ::)
Quit bringing up steroids....that had nothing to do with the question.
And it has nothing to do with UJ ffs. ::)
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thanks bro.
now wash the semen and tears off your eyelids,bs, and do some reading.
I'm tired of being called bro and dude!
But really I was so happy to learn that concerns for muscleloss were overblown along with concerns over "starvation mode." It allows people to diet more aggressively and see results earlier.
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No you forget my training protocol is not normal 45min to and hour job, I never train less than 2.5 hours a day, minimum 6 days a week (but usually 7), I take day off maybe every 10 days or so depending how I feel.
Also I do shit load of intense cardio normally (interval sprints, mma drills, skipping, boxing bag work, tabata's etc) (except if I am going super low cal like 800 etc) then after 2 days I just can't do cardio without dying or just do slowly 45 mins cross trainer etc.
I run much bigger caloric deficits than you might think through my training.
I wore calorie monitor once and it said I burned 2700 calories in 3.5 hours session, probably bullshit and not accurate but still even if its 30% less its still quite a lot.
Then you may be overdieting.
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what sucks about natural is what gal said
you get ripped, fair enough
then you eat out for a couple days on the weekend
next week, your abs are half invisible under the water again
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The wiki link???? Oh brother. ::)
Quit bringing up steroids....that had nothing to do with the question.
And it has nothing to do with UJ ffs. ::)
You could buy The Biology of Human Starvation, which is two volumes and ~1500pgs, but reading about it online will save you time and $150. You don't have to read about it on Wikipedia
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The guy in the above picture is 6% at most
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Drinking pharmaceutical destlated water will make you piss more than you will drink. It will drain salt and water from your body.
Try for a few days.
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The guy in the above picture is 6% at most
nah
this s 6%
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dtaWqzV6d7M/S4wpddIrdrI/AAAAAAAAAjY/lezUNwQ93EQ/s1600/SDC10111.JPG)
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/5a/99/16/5a99165df351958ee812579c3dee59dd.jpg)
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You could buy The Biology of Human Starvation, which is two volumes and ~1500pgs, but reading about it online will save you time and $150. You don't have to read about it on Wikipedia
Yes, BikiniSlut is quick to tell others to research her claims but she scoffs at the notion of doing this herself
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UJ already told you your 12-14% in your leanest picture. You are stupid if you water fast and train absolutely, you can fuck your body up for months in a single day if you dehydrate. Eat clean and take that God Damn test. 250mgs every 3rd or 4thday. Your dieting will be totally different in results to natural.
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That's 16-18
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yeah you're 14-15%
there's no question about it
when you sit down, you have a small fold over your waistband
for 10-11%, your stomach is basically hard, it just isn't defined
but you're so close
just dont overdiet because you'll shrink more but won't look leaner
just IMO, based on doing the same fucking thing you're doing
at the same level of body fat %
it's time to crank up the calories and lift heavier
and keep the cardio stable
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also the fold of fat between your bicep insertion and elbow crease, dead giveaway
no one at 10 has that, that I've met
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Yes, BikiniSlut is quick to tell others to research her claims but she scoffs at the notion of doing this herself
I've said this a million fucking times......you can find your peer reviewed research and find arguments for both...but I tend to go by what has the most substantial claims. ALWAYS.
Then people start posting link after link after link after link oh brother. ::)
I hate getting into these type of debates.......I guarantee I've done more research in general than any member of this board....this is my life up until I start my new position.
I don't google something and believe what I read. ::)
I disagree with you.....accept it.
However everything is moot as UJ isn't going to listen to anyone but himself.....why I keep responding in one of his threads I don't know. That is my stupidity.
AND......and since the Boob has the biology of human starvation and can check this out.....you will see that the book will show when and how muscle and fat burn. Everything I said IS IN THAT BOOK!!
So why you guys used that book as an example I don't know because it gets into both of our arguments in detail.
Boobie.....you have it.....you should know this.
And TEH Boob is a girl you guys.
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This was last summer pic, but I know when I lose water I can look like this within 2 weeks max from right now.
I got much tighter than this picture last summer but I lost muscle and ended up skinny ripped
that's 12%
because the angle and lighting favor your abs
in a brightly lit hotel room, for instance
it would look a sharp 13
but like I said, you're almost there
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He looks between 15 to 18 % in my opinion.
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Not true in my opinion that "muscle is the last thing your body goes for", I think that might true about muscle of vital organs like heart, liver, kidney etc but not muscle mass in other body areas which clearly your body doesn't need.
In my experience first thing that goes is water, then muscle then fat.
Off course I am natty so have to take that into account.
In fact I know from doing this a million times that anything less than 12% BF I will lose approximately 3lbs of muscle for every 1lb of fat.
This is fact as far as my body is concerned.
I have done water fasting 11 days and lost mostly water, fat but very little muscle..
Water fast is meant to be a healing process not a weight-loss program.
I have seen people who waterfasted 21 days, 28 days.. they lost very little muscle but mostly fat.
Now if you want disprove me by starving go ahead, I'm just helping.
Some reports on healing process are:
Bad skin conditions
Auto-immune diseases
There are probably more diseases water fasting helps reduce or cure but I did it mainly for my vitiligo & asthma which cured it totally. Water fasting helps the body to recover from stress, masturbation(yes!), detoxification, improves skeletal and muscular systems, etc, etc..(google it).
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14-15% there your muscle wastes away when you get skinny badly, you do something wrong, I look heavier when I get leaner to a certain degree. Your chest goes like a deflated balloon
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right pic is 10% imo
hard middle core, clearly can only pinch the fat
but no clearly separated abs
(http://www.nerdfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Screen-Shot-2012-06-25-at-10.14.12-PM.jpg)
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No bro its just water, because I know how much crazy water I hold and my waist is same measurement in both pics.
I keep telling every body I am extremely insulin sensitive, carbs instantly make me fat and hold water not joke.
Only 3 days difference from the carb up pic to the depleted one.
No doubt water can make a difference between looking smooth and having some visible definition
but you don't have that "hard" torso in any of these pics
nothing wrong with that, 99% of people dont
but you haven't made the breakthrough to the promised land of the hardbodied who've torched their visceral and subcutaneous fat to trace levels
and I dont feel doing even more cardio will get you there
more muscle, however, will
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No bro its just water, because I know how much crazy water I hold and my waist is same measurement in both pics.
I keep telling every body I am extremely insulin sensitive, carbs instantly make me fat and hold water not joke.
Only 3 days difference from the carb up pic to the depleted one.
Uncle junior the self styled expert of getbig.
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(http://i.imgur.com/tig2EEw.jpg)
guy like this can gain 5-10lbs of fat, and his waist would still be tight as a drum
he has the galeniko process done
you're still struggling with your baby fat, that we're all born with
that's the hardest battle
the first time you've been ripped is insanely torturous
after that, being lean is a joke
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I've said this a million fucking times......you can find your peer reviewed research and find arguments for both...but I tend to go by what has the most substantial claims. ALWAYS.
Then people start posting link after link after link after link oh brother. ::)
I hate getting into these type of debates.......I guarantee I've done more research in general than any member of this board....this is my life up until I start my new position.
I don't google something and believe what I read. ::)
I disagree with you.....accept it.
However everything is moot as UJ isn't going to listen to anyone but himself.....why I keep responding in one of his threads I don't know. That is my stupidity.
AND......and since the Boob has the biology of human starvation and can check this out.....you will see that the book will show when and how muscle and fat burn. Everything I said IS IN THAT BOOK!!
So why you guys used that book as an example I don't know because it gets into both of our arguments in detail.
Boobie.....you have it.....you should know this.
And TEH Boob is a girl you guys.
From what I've read, you lose nearly all fat up until ~4%bf is reached. Then you lose muscle (based on the people studied, drugs will influence things). But if we are talking about most people, they're not going to have to worry about muscle loss.
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He looks between 15 to 18 % in my opinion.
I think so, too
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I think so, too
How did you get the pink gender sign under your avatar? I want one too. :P
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How did you get the pink gender sign under your avatar? I want one too. :P
Profile > Forum Profile Information > Gender
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the body uses protein for muscle repair, hair growth, and a lot of other things. Of course he'll lose muscle tissue since he's not getting the protein externally.
concentration camp victims didn't first get shredded without muscle loss when they were being starved; they first lost glycogen then a combination of fat and muscle at the same time.
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Most people's problems start with the intestines and the gut. Yeast buildup being a main source of problems for a lot of people. More people have the H.Pylori bacteria then the CDC and doctors want to admit. I've heard of people being tested for H.Pylori 3 different ways and all test coming up negative but in the end they did in fact have an over growth of this bacteria which caused many types of stomach problems. $10s of thousands of dollars of tests and doctor visits in America only to get negative tests and other tests run which in the end just made money for the hospitals and doctors. Water fasts with probiotic supplementation is one way to naturally battle stomach problems...
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This is what happens when I do very low cal diet, lots of cardio, just end up skinny fat.
Again this was last summer.
I yo yo'd like this billions of times changing calories/carbs etc, nothing ever changes, doesn't matter what I do.
Always look like shit.
Only time I looked really fucking good (for me at my best was when I was taking 1mg Arimidex daily but it killed my sex drive completely)
It's all drugs man, everything else is pretty much bullshit
The point you reached in these two pics is the point most people call it a day. Because it seems no matter how much you work out after that point, you don't look leaner. It's like your body makes an overnight decision that enough fat's been lost, and now only water and muscle shall go.
I get it.
And with drugs, you wouldn't have to worry because your blocky muscles would be forcing themselves to the surface of your skin, and frying your fat in the process.
So what to do?
My response is this: Cycle the carbs. Go 3 days with less than 50 carbs, then 1 day with 200. Then drop to 100-150 the other 3. Rinse, repeat.
Cardio: 35 minutes on an empty stomach in the morning, INTERVALS
Lift weights in the noon. Have a BIG postworkout shake with carbs (powder or food) and protein, obviously.
And in the evening, another 35 mins of interval cardio.
5-6x a week.
Sound tough?
You bet your arse it is. But it WORKS. It worked for me. And I have your metabolism/body type, just more muscle. You'll have a flat, hard stomach in 3-4 weeks.
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Still not below 12, your pictures are from 13% to 17-18% your only loosing and gaining 5%. Your not that insulin sensitive. Every molecule of carb hold 3x water that's NORMAL to look soft after eating a large bowl of pasta.
Btw 4 pounds lost today alone by me, you think that's all fat hell no mostly water.
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I'm done with you UJ.....you just keep recycling the same questions and info about yourself. ::)
You refuse to listen to anyone.
I have to stop coming into your "EMERGENCY EVERYBODY I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT MY OBESITY AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT AND A QUESTION ABOUT STEROIDS EVEN THOUGH I'LL NEVER DO THEM!!!" threads.
Bikinislut out!
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From what I've read, you lose nearly all fat up until ~4%bf is reached. Then you lose muscle (based on the people studied, drugs will influence things). But if we are talking about most people, they're not going to have to worry about muscle loss.
on steroids, 5% seems to be the turning point, natural might be somewheere around 6, slightly less.
ppl are dumbasses.
(http://i.imgur.com/tig2EEw.jpg)
guy like this can gain 5-10lbs of fat, and his waist would still be tight as a drum
he has the galeniko process done
you're still struggling with your baby fat, that we're all born with
that's the hardest battle
the first time you've been ripped is insanely torturous
after that, being lean is a joke
yes exactly.
the first time is so brutal, it gets much worse later on but first time into the 8-9% range is making you a fututre machine or forges your eternal permabulk destiny.
good term baby fat, this is fat that sits there since teenage and never went away, the whole body needs remodeling.
junior isnt so fat, nono, hes just carrying little muscle size.
you see that often, skinny kids, they dont look ripped or anything but if youd cut them open, theyd be 8% fat no more.
theres a shitload to do for junior, he better get going instead of talking too much.
hows that saying"i never seen a monument made for a reader" ;D
I think so, too
nono read above,its misleading, i know counts not for much, but if we take waist circumference into account, theres no way hes near 15%.
its not like he has fatty spots elsewhere he doesnt have titts or a female ass ;D
hes just bit skinny, lacks the steroid ompha whoompa whoopaste look.
bw was sick for 3 days, flu, and i ate like lazer angelov, 4k cals a day, guess what epic water retention, wouldnt be suprised if i gained 10lbs weight in those 3 days.
ill chalk it up as quick bulk and get back to eating like normal,uhm,tomorow, first going to chinease with girl tonhgt :-*
btw, as for the bs uhm theroy how muscle go first when undereating, do they come first too when overeating?i dont think i have gained any muscle last 3 days
the body uses protein for muscle repair, hair growth, and a lot of other things. Of course he'll lose muscle tissue since he's not getting the protein externally.
concentration camp victims didn't first get shredded without muscle loss when they were being starved; they first lost glycogen then a combination of fat and muscle at the same time.
well you too read the study listed above.
and depends if unior goes into this fully carbo loaded he might not even burn any fat.
its not so simple.
in the kzs they ate 2-500cals a day+hard labour work, lets not compare that.
that said, if junior decided to get shredded naturaly, he will look like kz memebr.like anyone would.
he tries like alittle girl to avoid taking gear, i think he will never take any, rendering this discussion kinda theroy talk.
Still not below 12, your pictures are from 13% to 17-18% your only loosing and gaining 5%. Your not that insulin sensitive. Every molecule of carb hold 3x water that's NORMAL to look soft after eating a large bowl of pasta.
Btw 4 pounds lost today alone by me, you think that's all fat hell no mostly water.
yah IS comes with leans.
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Aye?
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Please this is a serious question no bullshit troll answers:
The question is:
Theoretically how long can you do a water fast for (absolutely no food, protein drinks or anything) WHILE (and this is key) training for couple of hours everyday.
I want to try do 5 day water fast while training.
Is this realistic while weight training?
I expect after 48 hours to not really be able to do much, is this correct?
Best I did was 90 mins Muay Thai training each morning up to day 5.
At the the day 5 session, I was white as a sheet and so decided to do no exercise on day 6 & 7 of the fast.
Just depends how you feel. When your BP drops, you'll feel it.
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ability to get very lean naturally without much trouble is genetics. you just don't have the easy dieting genetics. eat the KFC. later get on the juice and you'll get it done.
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Like I said earlier....in general muscle will go first.
Absolutely wrong. One's body uses the fastest, quickest, energy source available first. That is carbs, fat, and protein in that order.
In the absence of carbs(keto) your body will burn fat for energy.
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Absolutely wrong. One's body uses the fastest, quickest, energy source available first. That is carbs, fat, and protein in that order.
In the absence of carbs(keto) your body will burn fat for energy.
Yes and no.
You can gain weight on a keto diet if you don't go into calorie deficit. And if you eat too little, or exercise too little, your body's metabolism will slow down
so that even as your ketostix show a purple color after you piss on them, meaning 260+ ketones per ml of urine
you'll lose maybe 1/4 of 1lb a week, i.e. 100g
happened to me and others on that diet
Dennis Wolf tried it for one Olympia and he came in flat as a fucking paperweight
best way to cut is carb manipulation + interval cardio + weight training and a deficit of maybe 500-600 below your usual
imo
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What exactly are you trying to achieve from this, you can't look like these guys naturally, your just going tolook like a prisoner of war like sev did. Sev knew how to blow the fuck up.
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What exactly are you trying to achieve from this, you can't look like these guys naturally, your just going tolook like a prisoner of war like sev did. Sev knew how to blow the fuck up.
He's getting on the bicycle soon. Give him time.
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Here is a pubmed article about a 382 day fast.
Can't believe it.
Postgrad Med J. 1973 March; 49(569): 203–209.
PMCID: PMC2495396
Features of a successful therapeutic fast of 382 days' duration
W. K. Stewart and Laura W. Fleming
Abstract
A 27-year-old male patient fasted under supervision for 382 days and has subsequently maintained his normal weight. Blood glucose concentrations around 30 mg/100 ml were recorded consistently during the last 8 months, although the patient was ambulant and attending as an out-patient. Responses to glucose and tolbutamide tolerance tests remained normal. The hyperglycaemic response to glucagon was reduced and latterly absent, but promptly returned to normal during carbohydrate refeeding. After an initial decrease was corrected, plasma potassium levels remained normal without supplementation. A temporary period of hypercalcaemia occurred towards the end of the fast. Decreased plasma magnesium concentrations were a consistent feature from the first month onwards. After 100 days of fasting there was a marked and persistent increase in the excretion of urinary cations and inorganic phosphate, which until then had been minimal. These increases may be due to dissolution of excessive soft tissue and skeletal mass. Prolonged fasting in this patient had no ill-effects.
The most mundane of foods must have felt like meeting God after such an ordeal.
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The most mundane of foods must have felt like meeting God after such an ordeal.
good point.
i remember when i read the book "escape from block14"or so,the one about escape from north korea, how mere rice is a delicatesse for the peasantery there, how relatively overfed we are.
i often think about exactly that when craving carbs bit too much.
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pNmCqwQC12g/UTe8nNLGFNI/AAAAAAAACNc/WydDlZLTEVw/s1600/kirill+chayka+ripped.jpg)
if you can't become like this, don't get on steroids.
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dude's obviously on gear or just naturally great genetics and he is young, i'm 35. lol
30 hours in on the fast right now, feel totally fine.
Nah, no way he's juicing with that size. Don't mistake being lean and symmetrical with being on steroids.
Sure, he may have used a few micrograms of clenbuterol for the final stubborn fat but, that's natty bro. Just look at the veins, not popping out or anything
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Girls prefer that look 99.9% to a bulky monster, even a lean one
trust me, you're going to fuck up your natural test forever but hey it's your body bro
enjoy the middle east ;)
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Trust me if I look like that I would be phenomenally happy, not interested in being mass monster etc.
But I highly doubt he is natural, probably anavar, winny, gh, t3, don't believe for one second he got look of a natural, u can just tell by the skin condition
He has thick skin, like you
even holds water, obviously
dude those are heavy duty drugs, few people have access to them
let alone a punk kid, lol
cmon mannnnn no more excuses
STARVE yourself to a hard sixpack
btw this is the steroid skin, I recognize it from a mile away
usually heavily freckled (from tanning or some other shit) and tight, not soft like that at all
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_34PE0ZEgM80/TEz7hFDiagI/AAAAAAAATe0/jhjiMz-XpH8/s1600/alexandre+raymond+bodybuilder.jpg)
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Ok even if he is naturally he must be naturally lean ectomorph type with great genetics, no fucking way in hell I can ever get near that condition natty with my x obese nelly the elepehant genetics, it just ain't happening, trust me I tried....I will just end up skinny, skinny or skinny fat.
Bingo, he's an ecto with some muscle.
But your skin looks alright, so you won't need to worry about sagging.
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Lazar eats 4,000 calories a day. People who starve themselves like you end up skinny-fat...Like you. When will you learn?
You are anorexic man. It's not a joke it's an actual mental disorder and you have it...You need to be eating a lot (of the correct clean foods) to get big and shredded, not starving, you're doing more harm than good.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-P7PvmWHZ_bA/UntyBye5CbI/AAAAAAAAAfU/qeEIBpkznzI/s1600/Because-underwear-is-too-mainstream.jpg)
I disagree. Too many fat fucks (which is generally everybody in North America) looks at juiced beasts like Angelov and thinks they need to up the cals like him too. Yet they train like women, are fat and estrogenic and SHOULD starve with a small meal after their workout. Doing an intermittent fast would be much better than eating around the clock. These kids are not Ferraris, they're Pintos. They need to train and eat like such. Until they build a base they don't need high-cal anything.
People think that if they don't eat all the time that they're starving. No one's starving here. People in Somolia and Cambodia are starving. You're just in between meals. Almost no one needs to eat constantly. For the purpose of building muscle and getting lean, fasting and just eating when you need to is generally the best way. We can only put on such a little amount of muscle at a time that we don't need to bulk and over eat. And we don't need much to maintain a positive nitrogen balance, so all this permabulking is absolutely useless. Tons and tons of energy is being wasted and converted into fat. I think you've just offered terrible advice.
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Water Fasting is meant to be a healing process for the body, means you're not suppose to train at all. You should rest and heal your body & mind. If you're afraid of losing gains/muscle bellies don't worry, you ain't losing muscle.. mostly water, some fat + very little muscle.
You see muscle is one of the last thing the body will use as a fuel, if you come to that stage you're in for starvation. To come to that stage you'll need to be minimum 28days water fasting. Proper water fasting can be done 40 days without starvation
3 stages of water fasting:
Pre-fast
Fasting
After-fast
want to know more? Google it you dumb b*tch!!
I disagree with not training on a fast.
I do 1-2 fasts per year. Some people that do them are way out of shape. Like 100kg overweight - and they always ask why I'm there..
I live in a polluted smokey city, work too much, like to eat unhealthy food from time to time and don't mind a beer or 2 at the weekend.
A fast is a good way to "reset" and cleanse out the crap - and doing some exercise accelerates that process. So - sauna and exercise are a must. Sweating on a fast is absolutely essential.
The difference between a fast where you sit on your ass all day and one where you stay active is night and day. You can't compare the two in terms of how you feel afterwards.
You do need to replace electrolytes of course but I don't consider that breaking the fast as much as preventing sudden death.
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explaint eh elevated glucose level, uhhh, seems like ,if you didnt eat anything, the body has converted some protein into glucose ;D
dont think it can convert fat into glucose.
;D
:D
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stop this natural fucking bullfucking shit harsh dieting its doing no good.
just stop it.
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Nah, no way he's juicing with that size. Don't mistake being lean and symmetrical with being on steroids.
Sure, he may have used a few micrograms of clenbuterol for the final stubborn fat but, that's natty bro. Just look at the veins, not popping out or anything
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pNmCqwQC12g/UTe8nNLGFNI/AAAAAAAACNc/WydDlZLTEVw/s1600/kirill+chayka+ripped.jpg)
Again, someone else with no fucking idea.
Get clean and get yourself in that shape and condition with a bit of clen and post your pics.
jeez, a lot of fuckwittery of late on this forum.
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Exactly. Kid is juiced muscles never look full natural even when your body fat is low as
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(http://liftforlife.com/content/images/stories/Male/ivan-blazquez/ivan-blazquez-bicep.jpg)
Natural ripped
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Look at the difference in chest arm and delts, look how flat the muscles look on a natural, slabs of slate vs pebble muscle.
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From school of Adonis Principles:
;D
If you want to look like shit then you are on the right path.
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But my maths is spot on, being serious, did I calculate wrong?
Maths dont make a physique.
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Yeah I know drugs do, but if anyone has dismissed conclusively the TA principles its got to be me.
You are that guy who says anyone in shape is on drugs. I have fatboy genetics and have been ripped plenty of times natural before I went darkside. Bullshit water fast don't get u in shape, have you even said what the point of this whole thing was?
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That's bullshit.
That guy has terrible ab genetics. If I finally decide to share pics on this stalker-infested site, I'll show you what a pair of naturally blocky abs looks like.
You cherry pick one crappy natural and say that's how natties look. No man. That's how a guy with bubu genetics who could run a cycle and still look basically the same except for maybe 5lbs of extra mass and water bloat would look.
You're totally selling yourself short. You have good ab genes. They're just TOO FAT.
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You are that guy who says anyone in shape is on drugs. I have fatboy genetics and have been ripped plenty of times natural before I went darkside. Bullshit water fast don't get u in shape, have you even said what the point of this whole thing was?
Trying to shake him out of that broken record but it takes a while. He's going to have to see himself lean out naturally to believe it. But then he says he wants to go on drugs soon, so he may never know.
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That's bullshit.
That guy has terrible ab genetics. If I finally decide to share pics on this stalker-infested site, I'll show you what a pair of naturally blocky abs looks like.
You cherry pick one crappy natural and say that's how natties look. No man. That's how a guy with bubu genetics who could run a cycle and still look basically the same except for maybe 5lbs of extra mass and water bloat would look.
You're totally selling yourself short. You have good ab genes. They're just TOO FAT.
Have you posted your natty pics yet or are you just going to keep telling us fucking idiotic stories?
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That's bullshit.
That guy has terrible ab genetics. If I finally decide to share pics on this stalker-infested site, I'll show you what a pair of naturally blocky abs looks like.
You cherry pick one crappy natural and say that's how natties look. No man. That's how a guy with bubu genetics who could run a cycle and still look basically the same except for maybe 5lbs of extra mass and water bloat would look.
You're totally selling yourself short. You have good ab genes. They're just TOO FAT.
Thank you. No need to respond to his horrible post, you said it all. Picking a picture of a boxer vs a pic of a bb. ::)
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Thank you. No need to respond to his horrible post, you said it all. Picking a picture of a boxer vs a pic of a bb. ::)
I like to give uncle joon a little encouragement. He's been down the same road I have. But he's teetering on slipping off the seasaw again.
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The third pic and the first two are not the same.
You're bloated and carrying fat in the last one. In the first two, you're within 10lbs (of fat) from having the same conditioning as that guy I posted on the last page.
The reason you haven't made it there is because you weren't doing the same level of exercise/cardio/fasting as now. Had you done that then, you'd have made it. But once there, what's next? Do you think it's all over because you finally get the sixpack?
lol
that's when the real battle starts. You have to reintroduce higher calorie levels and scale down to cardio in order to fill out your skeletal frame. But you have to do it without going overboard and putting the fat back. It's hard to do, which is why most people give up or resort to drugs.
But it can be done. The more muscular you get, the leaner you stay year-round. It gets to the point where you have a perpetually small waist with a full-time v-taper and hard stomach, even when you're eating 3500kcal a day. But for that, you have to bulk up. And you have to do it with clean food. Hard.
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In this one you have a visible forearm vein without being pumped
which logically means a bicep vein
i.e. the most obvious first sign of leaning out
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this is on 100g carbs a day, maybe 2200 calories
If I had been you in that pic
I'd have done this (serious):
45 mins of stepmaster or stair climber in the morning
post-workout shake (with carbs)
meal
meal
30 minutes of training ONE muscle group, rep range 10-20 in supersets
3 sets per exercise
meal
45 mins of the same cardio as before
GUARANTEE you you'd have been shredded in 4 weeks. Hungry, exhausted, migrained
but ripped
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;)
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Interesting points, so what you saying now, stay natty or juice?
If I can have a decent beach body without juicing I would much prefer that, ( I don't give a shit about competing on stage etc) just look good in real life in clothes and on holidays.
If am getting pissed off with the whole thing to be honest, sometimes I don't even know why I do this for, its a joke.
If your departure from the UK in 10 days is legitimate and not some gimmick to make BS wonder about your whereabouts in an exotic locale, then you're going to have to standby before engaging in a draconian exercise regimen like the one I posted. It's not something you can turn off like a spigot when you need to tend to real-life business. It becomes your real life, what with training 3x a day for 4-6 weeks.
So I would say to shelve it until next month, and continue exercising but also listening to your body and eating as you feel is warranted at the moment. Until you're ready to set aside a month to do this.
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In what pic you taking about me being 10lb from being ripped? I can pretty much get into any of those conditions in those pics within 4 weeks.
I think I am leaner now anyway or just as lean as the 12% pic, my waist is 31.5
Its cos I lost muscle I look like shit and look fatter, but I know when I eat properly my muscle comes back quick (2 weeks) cos I always kept my strength base.
The last pic you posted, which you had posted before. The one where your abs are most visible, despite the favorable lighting and angle. It's obvious you were in the final stage of leaning out, which also happens to be the hardest.
It would great if you could lean down to a sixpack using the same calorie intake and exercise intensity. But as others mentioned, at 10%ish your body starts to play hardball and doesn't want to let you crack the single digits. Unless you force it to.
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Me and Bikini are very very very close, she just acts up on the board cos that's the way she want's it (very private person), what makes you think she won't be there with me in Dubai? ;D Maybe I will post you picks bro:o ;D
Also I train pretty much 7 days a week (never less than 6) and I won't spend less than 2.5 hours training and that's the absolute minimum.
Yes I will be extremely serious from March, very serious.
By the way you are a very nice guy, thank you for all the advice.
Hopefully one day I will get it right! ;D
I just want to see you make it. You're too close not to.
cheers
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I can get into that condition in "that pic" within 3 weeks, trust me on that!
Smashing. Get on with it then.
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Lol, seriously,
(http://s27.postimg.org/fgx4tqmir/Screen_Shot_2014_02_22_at_18_15_57.png)
rentmen.com ;D
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:)
That pic is of a "natural" bodybuilder called Josh Hyaduk. I thought I'd show you a good sixpack that can be attained with relatively low doses of gear (should you decide you absolutely need to go down that road).
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That pic is of a "natural" bodybuilder called Josh Hyaduk. I thought I'd show you a good sixpack that can be attained with relatively low doses of gear (should you decide you absolutely need to go down that road).
Lol, that guys not natural, wake up man.
Have you posted your pics yet, still waiting.
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Lol, seriously,
(http://s27.postimg.org/fgx4tqmir/Screen_Shot_2014_02_22_at_18_15_57.png)
rentmen.com ;D
Lol Busted!!
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Why the fuck would you fast water? Or even fast at all if you don't have to? Your body is comprised of 70% of water you will die without it.
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Why the fuck would you fast water? Or even fast at all if you don't have to? Your body is comprised of 70% of water you will die without it.
Well actually bodybuilders ration water before a show because they want that "crisp" paper-thin skin look. So there is a logic to it. They also use diuretics to flush the rest, and cardio as the finishing touch.
But UJ is no BBer and isn't precontest anything so he probably shouldn't be fasting water at all. You're right.
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Well actually bodybuilders ration water before a show because they want that "crisp" paper-thin skin look. So there is a logic to it. They also use diuretics to flush the rest, and cardio as the finishing touch.
But UJ is no BBer and isn't precontest anything so he probably shouldn't be fasting water at all. You're right.
Read a lot on the internet do you?
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Well actually bodybuilders ration water before a show because they want that "crisp" paper-thin skin look. So there is a logic to it. They also use diuretics to flush the rest, and cardio as the finishing touch.
But UJ is no BBer and isn't precontest anything so he probably shouldn't be fasting water at all. You're right.
It's an unhealthy practice that is unnecessary.
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It's an unhealthy practice that is unnecessary.
For the average gym guy?
yeah
any fasting is illogical when compared to the benefits of carb cycling and upping the cardio/supersets to switch back to fat-burning instead of glucose-burning
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pNmCqwQC12g/UTe8nNLGFNI/AAAAAAAACNc/WydDlZLTEVw/s1600/kirill+chayka+ripped.jpg)
if you can't become like this, don't get on steroids.
Nice delts.
Brotip: HE IS ON STEROIDS.
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For the average gym guy?
yeah
any fasting is illogical when compared to the benefits of carb cycling and upping the cardio/supersets to switch back to fat-burning instead of glucose-burning
oh brother.
go back to bodybuilding.com
i bet you never miss an anabolic window.
haha.
lol at playing it off like youre that josh hayduck guy.
youre a goober bro.
fuck off, thanks.