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Anyone else watching? Manziel 4:56 40. Good for a QB.
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Coach, how did they arrive at using 225 as the standard bench press test?
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They are doing crossfit now.
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Coach, how did they arrive at using 225 as the standard bench press test?
Its a good round number.... not too heavy, not too light. Not the best indicator of upper body strength but good enough
Blake Bortles isn't looking very good when passing...mediocre accuracy. I wish they made all QBs throw at the combine
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Coach, how did they arrive at using 225 as the standard bench press test?
Because its 100 kg?
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Coach, how did they arrive at using 225 as the standard bench press test?
Basically they did a study taking so many players from different schools based off their 1RM.
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Anyone else watching? Manziel 4:56 40. Good for a QB.
hard to believe luck ran a faster time at 30 pounds more :o
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Has there been any NFL players that bombed the Bench Press, like getting only 2-4 reps of 225?
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hard to believe luck ran a faster time at 30 pounds more :o
Oh really
I didn't know Luck was fast.
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Tyrann Mathieu known as the "honey badger" plays for the Arizona. Last year at the combine he only got 4 reps with 225. I've heard guys on the field tell him that their girlfriends bench more than him.lol
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Has there been any NFL players that bombed the Bench Press, like getting only 2-4 reps of 225?
yea , a lot of corners and safetys do but they rely mostly on speed and being able to cue in on the qbs eyes
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Tyrann Mathieu known as the "honey badger" plays for the Arizona. Last year at the combine he only got 4 reps with 225. I've heard guys on the field tell him that their girlfriends bench more than him.lol
That's true - but actually there have been quite a few DB's not test well on bench. Matthieu has a rare gift though and he is as fast as greased owl sh** . The lil dude can make plays
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Its a good round number.... not too heavy, not too light. Not the best indicator of upper body strength but good enough
Blake Bortles isn't looking very good when passing...mediocre accuracy. I wish they made all QBs throw at the combine
Interesting. Because there some mock drafts out there that have him going 1st overall to the Texans.
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hard to believe luck ran a faster time at 30 pounds more :o
Luck's athleticisim is deceiving!
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Tyrann Mathieu known as the "honey badger" plays for the Arizona. Last year at the combine he only got 4 reps with 225. I've heard guys on the field tell him that their girlfriends bench more than him.lol
This guy only benches 4 reps with 225?
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He's a defensive back...WR's Qb's and DB's aern't expected to put up big numbers at the combine bench press. Not to mention he weighs less than 190 pounds. His awareness and football IQ are his strengths.
Bottom line is the guy has a job in the NFL making millions and had a pretty respectable rookie season.
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Coach, how did they arrive at using 225 as the standard bench press test?
Yeah, as mentioned it's a nice smaller number that most players can handle for a few, and they don't need much in the way of spotters, equipment.... Also a lot of thought behind it was based on those old 1 rep max charts, they plug in the final number and it gives an idea of their 1 rep.
Granted, it would be better if they chose a different exercise or rep range block for different positions, but the #225 test was late 70's - early 80's thinking.
As far as numbers, many of the smaller positions average 8 - 12 reps. They really look at it for linemen though, a guy only getting in the lower 20's is considered below average.
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I'm actually surprised the spotters give credit for actual reps on the bench press because I see a lot of these guys, regardless of position, slamming the bar off their chest. Especially when it comes down to the last reps they can handle before getting tired. Some of them look like their about to shatter their sternum with how hard they let the bar bounce off their chest. A lot of the reps shouldn't even count if they resort to doing that.
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Here's a combine averages chart based on position for those interested -
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/8953829/2013-nfl-draft-five-year-nfl-combine-averages .
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I watched Mathiew's highlights, what a beast. He could bench 135 for all I care.
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Has there been any NFL players that bombed the Bench Press, like getting only 2-4 reps of 225?
dick butkiss couldn't do one rep, but he was one of the hardest hitters ever go figure.
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maybe some of these guys really are drug free
wideouts benching on average of 10 reps for 225?
with millions at stake they still stay natty, thats respect
and gutsy
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Interesting. Because there some mock drafts out there that have him going 1st overall to the Texans.
Yeah I was surprised too, considering the hype he's been getting. Granted I watched about 30 minutes of him doing drills, so that's not enough to give him a fair assessment.
He looked good in college at going through his progressions, so if his inaccuracy is just a matter of poor footwork/technique that might be able to be ironed out
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hard to believe luck ran a faster time at 30 pounds more :o
No shit. Turned out to be a great pick as well. Once this kid develops his skills to the fullest. First round HOF for sure plus he's solid as a person.
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Blake Bortles is 6 4. They can work with him on other things, but IMO, height wins out.
Plus his chick is hot :)
manziel is a midget that's going to lose 10% of his speed by week 3 of the regular seasons. Those pretty dance moves won't work in the pros with his short legs. He's going to get hit early and often. Once he's 10% slower, he's going to be a short tebow. Sorry, I know everyone loves the LA lifestyle and carefree nature of "johnny football", but he's going to be a bust. Trying to bully the texans to take him first?
"It would be the worst decision they've (the Texans) ever made," he told The Houston Chronicle of the possibility. "I'd be in the same division playing against them twice a year. Sorry, but you just turned that chip on my shoulder from a Frito into a Dorito."
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I'm actually surprised the spotters give credit for actual reps on the bench press because I see a lot of these guys, regardless of position, slamming the bar off their chest. Especially when it comes down to the last reps they can handle before getting tired. Some of them look like their about to shatter their sternum with how hard they let the bar bounce off their chest. A lot of the reps shouldn't even count if they resort to doing that.
As long as head shoulders and butt are down and bar is locked out, it counts. It's not like powerlifting.
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As long as head shoulders and butt are down and bar is locked out, it counts. It's not like powerlifting.
I realize that it's not like powerlifiting. But bouncing the bar off your chest is cheating, in my opinion. You're using momentum to raise the bar back to a lock out position. That is not a clean repetition and shouldn't count as one. Some of these guys are literally dropping the bar onto their chests from 3-5 inches up and springboarding the bar back up using that momentum to raise the bar back to a lock out position. That's not only cheating but can be dangerous. It's usually the guys with the longer arms that do this. Shorter arm guys typically press with a much cleaner, efficient motion.
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A weak line up.
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This guy only benches 4 reps with 225?
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Maybe he uses very good form.
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Blake Bortles is 6 4. They can work with him on other things, but IMO, height wins out.
Plus his chick is hot :)
manziel is a midget that's going to lose 10% of his speed by week 3 of the regular seasons. Those pretty dance moves won't work in the pros with his short legs. He's going to get hit early and often. Once he's 10% slower, he's going to be a short tebow. Sorry, I know everyone loves the LA lifestyle and carefree nature of "johnny football", but he's going to be a bust. Trying to bully the texans to take him first?
"It would be the worst decision they've (the Texans) ever made," he told The Houston Chronicle of the possibility. "I'd be in the same division playing against them twice a year. Sorry, but you just turned that chip on my shoulder from a Frito into a Dorito."
my friend with all due respect, your a fucking moron. He's gonna fucking kill it in pro football , no other player has brought this kind of dynamic to the NFL.
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my friend with all due respect, your a fucking moron. He's gonna fucking kill it in pro football , no other player has brought this kind of dynamic to the NFL.
I guess we will see. Tebow killed it in the SEC also... but once that scrambling thing proved ineffective (and it always does...) he was a shitty QB. I think that if Manziel was able to LOCK DOWN and work like crazy - I mean, peyton manning level of workhorse - he could be a solid pro...
But I don't see that happening. The way he was bullying the texans into picking him... he's so cocky, and he's short, and he runs when he should pass. RG3 had the big ego, so did Tebow (yes, tebow did). it was all about them, and they ran when they shouldn't, and they slowed down bigtime as a result.
manziel will sell jerseys and be the lead story on some shitty 3-13 team.... it'll be great for ratings, but so was tebow, and he's out of the league now. Manziel is short, immature, and likes to run. I can't see anyone looking at those 3 factors and trying to defend it with some "but he's a winner, he's amazing, he's creative, he has the IT factor..."
The "IT" factor doesn't last long when some 265 pound linebacker blindsides him. The minute he has some tweak in his knee, week 3 of the pre-season, suddenly he is all arm and highly predictable. he's a bust.
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I guess we will see. Tebow killed it in the SEC also... but once that scrambling thing proved ineffective (and it always does...) he was a shitty QB. I think that if Manziel was able to LOCK DOWN and work like crazy - I mean, peyton manning level of workhorse - he could be a solid pro...
But I don't see that happening. The way he was bullying the texans into picking him... he's so cocky, and he's short, and he runs when he should pass. RG3 had the big ego, so did Tebow (yes, tebow did). it was all about them, and they ran when they shouldn't, and they slowed down bigtime as a result.
manziel will sell jerseys and be the lead story on some shitty 3-13 team.... it'll be great for ratings, but so was tebow, and he's out of the league now. Manziel is short, immature, and likes to run. I can't see anyone looking at those 3 factors and trying to defend it with some "but he's a winner, he's amazing, he's creative, he has the IT factor..."
The "IT" factor doesn't last long when some 265 pound linebacker blindsides him. The minute he has some tweak in his knee, week 3 of the pre-season, suddenly he is all arm and highly predictable. he's a bust.
Difference between ego and confidence. If you go in without either. You'll fail guaranteed. You don't succeed on talent alone. Work, confidence then talent. In that order.
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Difference between ego and confidence. If you go in without either. You'll fail guaranteed. You don't succeed on talent alone. Work, confidence then talent. In that order.
So what is your prediciton?
Do you think this rookie - who loves to run despite having an open man, who prides himself on partying, who threatens a team that doesn't draft him, that isn't 6 foot tall, that was a lot worse this year than last...
Do you think he'll Bust, be a solid pro, or be an all-pro?
Also, how many times do you think he'll bench press 225?
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Not much from Michael Sam....he put up 17 on the Bench Press though. Not bad but needs to push much harder.
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So what is your prediciton?
Do you think this rookie - who loves to run despite having an open man, who prides himself on partying, who threatens a team that doesn't draft him, that isn't 6 foot tall, that was a lot worse this year than last...
Do you think he'll Bust, be a solid pro, or be an all-pro?
Also, how many times do you think he'll bench press 225?
You can't predict anything. Remember when people thought that Cam Newton was going to be bust, comparing him to JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, etc? As it turned out he proved everyone wrong. He doesn't cause trouble, very professional, respectful and on his way to being a GREAT QB and quite frankly he's exciting to watch on the field. He's a flat out ATHLETE.
This is what I tell my football athletes that go into college that think it won't be that much different....
When go from POP Warner to High School, you have to learn to play the game all over again. When you from High School to college, you have to learn to play the game all over again (especially at a D1), if you should somehow beat the odd's and make a pro roster, you're going to have to learn to play the game all over again....except now it's your job that you get paid for. JM won't be able to get away with the bullshit he did in in the pro's as he did in college, his parents money mean SQUAT in the NFL. The NFL owns his ass, he get's out of line the repercussions will be swift. He will either grow up or be out, being sitting on the bench or sitting at home watching what could have been.
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You can't predict anything. Remember when people thought that Cam Newton was going to be bust, comparing him to JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, etc? As it turned out he proved everyone wrong. He doesn't cause trouble, very professional, respectful and on his way to being a GREAT QB and quite frankly he's exciting to watch on the field. He's a flat out ATHLETE.
This is what I tell my football athletes that go into college that think it won't be that much different....
When go from POP Warner to High School, you have to learn to play the game all over again. When you from High School to college, you have to learn to play the game all over again (especially at a D1), if you should somehow beat the odd's and make a pro roster, you're going to have to learn to play the game all over again....except now it's your job that you get paid for. JM won't be able to get away with the bullshit he did in in the pro's as he did in college, his parents money mean SQUAT in the NFL. The NFL owns his ass, he get's out of line the repercussions will be swift. He will either grow up or be out, being sitting on the bench or sitting at home watching what could have been.
Sure, we can try to predict things. Cam had the best set of tools we've seen in years... dude is BIG and FAST. he'd won at every level - easily. The only problem with him is that he was a fcking criminal, stealing laptops and throwing out the window when police knocked lol... Some predicted he'd be great, some predicted he'd be a bust.
So make a prediction :) I predict he will be out of the league in 3-4 years. He'll be a rock star for 5 minutes, he'll get dinged. Defenses will get film on him. Once he gets dinged up and loses a little mobility, his confidence will stumble and then the story of year will be "these top 9 rookies are doing solid jobs, and Manziel is struggling, hurt, benched, etc."
What's your prediction of JM's NFL career?
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Sure, we can try to predict things. Cam had the best set of tools we've seen in years... dude is BIG and FAST. he'd won at every level - easily. The only problem with him is that he was a fcking criminal, stealing laptops and throwing out the window when police knocked lol... Some predicted he'd be great, some predicted he'd be a bust.
So make a prediction :) I predict he will be out of the league in 3-4 years. He'll be a rock star for 5 minutes, he'll get dinged. Defenses will get film on him. Once he gets dinged up and loses a little mobility, his confidence will stumble and then the story of year will be "these top 9 rookies are doing solid jobs, and Manziel is struggling, hurt, benched, etc."
What's your prediction of JM's NFL career?
Good post 240.
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I would like to see the "scrambling double-threat" QB model work because it's exciting to watch, but I think there are just too many athletes on NFL defenses for that to be a reality.
Is anyone ready to say JM is as good or better than Michael Vick or Randall Cunningham, or even RG3 pre-knee? None of those guys were bad, but I think that is his ceiling at the very best and would be surprised if he's that successful.
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Sure, we can try to predict things. Cam had the best set of tools we've seen in years... dude is BIG and FAST. he'd won at every level - easily. The only problem with him is that he was a fcking criminal, stealing laptops and throwing out the window when police knocked lol... Some predicted he'd be great, some predicted he'd be a bust.
So make a prediction :) I predict he will be out of the league in 3-4 years. He'll be a rock star for 5 minutes, he'll get dinged. Defenses will get film on him. Once he gets dinged up and loses a little mobility, his confidence will stumble and then the story of year will be "these top 9 rookies are doing solid jobs, and Manziel is struggling, hurt, benched, etc."
What's your prediction of JM's NFL career?
Again, you can't predict. But at worst, a Matt Leinart-type of back up. He'll have a full career pending injury. Last the 4 years just long enough to get his NFL pension.
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I would like to see the "scrambling double-threat" QB model work because it's exciting to watch, but I think there are just too many athletes on NFL defenses for that to be a reality.
Is anyone ready to say JM is as good or better than Michael Vick or Randall Cunningham, or even RG3 pre-knee? None of those guys were bad, but I think that is his ceiling at the very best and would be surprised if he's that successful.
those QBs don't do it for long. I mean, Andrew Luck is wicked fast, but he's smart enough NOT to run most of the time.
Vick could have been one of the greats - if he watched game film, studied defense, etc. He was what, 6 or 7 years into his career before he ever looked at defensive schemes? LMAO...
There really isn't a mobile/scramble QB anymore. RG3 got wrecked. Whey they do that stuff, the defense gets to get a lick on the QB almost every play. We saw RG3 get injured twice that rookie year. Doesn't work. Never will. Anytime you can jam a QB in the shoulder or arm almost every play after he releases the ball - not enough to topple him, but enough to beat on that throwing arm - the sooner he's throwing shit in the second half.
Manziel is a midget by QB standards. He's not an amazing athlete. Look at his frame - at under 5 foot... he's going to get crushed by talented NFL players.
MAYBE if he was a bookworm, we could bet on him. MAYBE if he lived for the playbook, wasn't a goofball showing up for QB camps hungover... MAYBE then, we could give him a chance.
He'll be on a weak team with a weak O-line, with defenders just begging for a chance to be the one that smashed his annoying face.
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Again, you can't predict. But at worst, a Matt Leinart-type of back up. He'll have a full career pending injury. Last the 4 years just long enough to get his NFL pension.
backups are usually tall bookworms.
I think he'll get 4 years cause, like Tebow, he sells jerseys. He'll be the #1 jersey sale.
4 years sounds right. start first year, do okay then badly. year 2, start then lose job. Year 3, backup. Year 4, in and out, barely hanging on to 3rd string.
Pretty much what tebow did. Not a bad career. Retire without any major wear by age 25 lol, not too bad!
I'm not really hating on him. He's kind of a punk drunk idiot kid, and I know, "everyone is at that age!", but no, they're really not. Peyton manning wasn't showing up for QB camps still drunk at age 20. But I wish him well. He's already rich, famous, and happy... I dont see a lot of motivation to live in the film room like manning... but who knows.
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He has a very bad hairline for a 20 year old, surely we can all agree on this.
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He has a very bad hairline for a 20 year old, surely we can all agree on this.
this man has an amazing headline. very low, like aaron hernandez'.
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this man has an amazing headline. very low, like aaron hernandez'.
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:'(...I was never blessed with that hairline. All good though...glad i'm handsome as fuk. ;D
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those QBs don't do it for long. I mean, Andrew Luck is wicked fast, but he's smart enough NOT to run most of the time.
Vick could have been one of the greats - if he watched game film, studied defense, etc. He was what, 6 or 7 years into his career before he ever looked at defensive schemes? LMAO...
There really isn't a mobile/scramble QB anymore. RG3 got wrecked. Whey they do that stuff, the defense gets to get a lick on the QB almost every play. We saw RG3 get injured twice that rookie year. Doesn't work. Never will. Anytime you can jam a QB in the shoulder or arm almost every play after he releases the ball - not enough to topple him, but enough to beat on that throwing arm - the sooner he's throwing shit in the second half.
Manziel is a midget by QB standards. He's not an amazing athlete. Look at his frame - at under 5 foot... he's going to get crushed by talented NFL players.
MAYBE if he was a bookworm, we could bet on him. MAYBE if he lived for the playbook, wasn't a goofball showing up for QB camps hungover... MAYBE then, we could give him a chance.
He'll be on a weak team with a weak O-line, with defenders just begging for a chance to be the one that smashed his annoying face.
Manziel has already gotten a hair transplant...The androgens have sped up his hair loss so his dad got him started early on the hair grafts. Tiger Woods and King James also have had grafts and Tiger is hanging on by a thread in the hair department. Tiger is only getting so so results from it. I heard James has given up on it because it wont take.
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This guy only benches 4 reps with 225?
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He's a playmaker like Marshall Faulk who couldn't do squat in the weight room. It's that Louisiana Quad-A football line. 8) 8)
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He is Hershel Walkers 5th personality.
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Blake Bortles is 6 4. They can work with him on other things, but IMO, height wins out.
Plus his chick is hot :)
manziel is a midget that's going to lose 10% of his speed by week 3 of the regular seasons. Those pretty dance moves won't work in the pros with his short legs. He's going to get hit early and often. Once he's 10% slower, he's going to be a short tebow. Sorry, I know everyone loves the LA lifestyle and carefree nature of "johnny football", but he's going to be a bust. Trying to bully the texans to take him first?
"It would be the worst decision they've (the Texans) ever made," he told The Houston Chronicle of the possibility. "I'd be in the same division playing against them twice a year. Sorry, but you just turned that chip on my shoulder from a Frito into a Dorito."
haha, that kid has a rude awakening coming to him when he hits the pros... all that ego is gonna come crashing down.
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colin cowherd was 100% right on Tebow and RG3. He's saying the same thing about Manziel.
Also notable... his O-line has been packed with future NFL pros for the last 2 years, and his receiving group was insane last year and had at least one NFL-er this year. Those guys will probably have longer NFL careers than JF will. He's been that good partly because his protection has been so good. Won't be like that if he's taken by a "lottery" team in the NFL draft. Bottom-10 NFL teams are usually there because their O lines suck.
Cowherd can't pick winners, but he can sure pick losers.
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Fucking A!
Javeveon Clowney just ran the 40 in 4.47 and he weighs 266lbs!
...faster then a lot of the WR and RB'S.
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Fucking A!
Javeveon Clowney just ran the 40 in 4.47 and he weighs 266lbs!
...faster then a lot of the WR and RB'S.
A legit 4.47 is SCREAMING......at 266 lbs it's just silly.
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Fucking A!
Javeveon Clowney just ran the 40 in 4.47 and he weighs 266lbs!
...faster then a lot of the WR and RB'S.
This guy's got to go #1. Out of everyone in the lineup, he could make the biggest splash for sure.
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A legit 4.47 is SCREAMING......at 266 lbs it's just silly.
Yeah it is, faster then 2/3 the RB'S, faster then half the WR's, and faster then every TE.
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Michael Sam benched 225 pounds 17 times, second-worst among defensive lineman. Seven WRs did more.
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Fucking A!
Javeveon Clowney just ran the 40 in 4.47 and he weighs 266lbs!
...faster then a lot of the WR and RB'S.
Houston is glamorized with a QB, but Clowney and JJ WATT would be a fucking killer defense.
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Yeah it is, faster then 2/3 the RB'S, faster then half the WR's, and faster then every TE.
5 RBs were faster.....and none are anywhere near 260 lbs.
The guy could still be a colossal bust though if his work ethis isn't there.
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Michael Sam benched 225 pounds 17 times, second-worst among defensive lineman. Seven WRs did more.
That's shitty for a D-lineman. Problem is that he's a tweener....small enough to play linebacker on the next level. But he lacks the skill set and isn't athletic enough to play the position. There was film of him dropping back in coverage at the senior bowl and he was getting crushed. Unless he gets a lot stronger and a lot bigger, I don't see this guy being a starter on the next level. He's a 5th-6th rounder at best.
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Houston is glamorized with a QB, but Clowney and JJ WATT would be a fucking killer defense.
Would be a crazy D Line! Clowney needs to gain 10 more pounds of muscle!
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5 RBs were faster.....and none are anywhere near 260 lbs.
The guy could still be a colossal bust though if his work ethis isn't there.
Yup, you hear it both ways from the "Experts", some say he's lazy and some say he was doubled and tripled teamed his last year and that's why he wasn't so dominant.
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Official 40 time is 4.53 for Clowney. Still fast as shit at that bodyweight.
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That's shitty for a D-lineman. Problem is that he's a tweener....small enough to play linebacker on the next level. But he lacks the skill set and isn't athletic enough to play the position. There was film of him dropping back in coverage at the senior bowl and he was getting crushed. Unless he gets a lot stronger and a lot bigger, I don't see this guy being a starter on the next level. He's a 5th-6th rounder at best.
Goodell is going to throw in some kickbacks to any team that drafts him in the 3rd-4th. The NFL doesn't want him to go undrafted and be called gay phobic. I wouldn't be shocked if Robert Kraft drafts him hoping that during the season it helps his team get a couple extra calls made their way.
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Nassar did 10 reps with 225 at the Combine...Very strict though...
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Jadeveon Clowney puts up just 21 reps in bench press with 225 pounds. Punters benching more...
JC is a genetic freak, but he's not a worker. He's been known as "top NFL pick" since grade school.
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Jadeveon Clowney puts up just 21 reps in bench press with 225 pounds. Punters benching more...
JC is a genetic freak, but he's not a worker. He's been known as "top NFL pick" since grade school.
And he's been severly over hyped. He needs to get into a system that can control his ego or he could end up going down the road of Brian Bosworth.
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Combine = Joke
Football dweebs sit on bar stools from coast to coast swilling designer beer and wings watching this chit.
Even the reporters consider this exercise in "fantacy football live" a joke. Amazing athletes are being ignored by the sports press while one guy, Sam, had over 100 reporters elbowing each other to get closer.
225 for reps? Speed between cones. Their are no bench presses or cones on the field. Just get me a big fella with decent speed and guts to block for me…OK?
The highly paid scouts have already picked their guys for the bossman. Let the pads collide. Lets play Fen football already.
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Official 40 time is 4.53 for Clowney. Still fast as shit at that bodyweight.
Just read that...2 unofficial were 4.47 and 4.48...lol, so split it and say her ran 4.50
...still crazy.
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Jadeveon Clowney puts up just 21 reps in bench press with 225 pounds. Punters benching more...
JC is a genetic freak, but he's not a worker. He's been known as "top NFL pick" since grade school.
Clowney is also 6'6 and had the longest arms for a D lineman...tougher to bench with long arms.
the average of the D lineman with the strongest bench starts around the 4 round.
...work ethic will be answered good or bad when he gets to the pros.
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Those African Americans with no calves can run.
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Jadeveon Clowney puts up just 21 reps in bench press with 225 pounds. Punters benching more...
JC is a genetic freak, but he's not a worker. He's been known as "top NFL pick" since grade school.
Long arms and a narrow grip, it's not like "Coach Joe" couldn't have squeezed more out of him with a little time traning together.
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Here's a combine averages chart based on position for those interested -
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/8953829/2013-nfl-draft-five-year-nfl-combine-averages .
the highest Reps on that chart for the 225lbs bench is 28 reps by a 300lbs dude.....Fair enough. I'm sure he could go higher
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And he's been severly over hyped. He needs to get into a system that can control his ego or he could end up going down the road of Brian Bosworth.
the NFL has a way to teach those kids about Humility.....
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this is the fastest most of these dudes will ever be. They'll get dinged up. They'll get on NFL diets and gain weight to be able to take a pounding. They'll get old. NFL knows they can add 20 pounds of muscle to these kids. They can't make them faster, taller or quicker.
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Spoto crushes 315 for 45 reps :D
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Spoto crushes 315 for 45 reps :D
How many millions did he or will he make on his first contract ???
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How many millions did he or will he make on his first contract ???
Get a grip. I know the deal. Just saying, is all.
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I guess we will see. Tebow killed it in the SEC also... but once that scrambling thing proved ineffective (and it always does...) he was a shitty QB. I think that if Manziel was able to LOCK DOWN and work like crazy - I mean, peyton manning level of workhorse - he could be a solid pro...
But I don't see that happening. The way he was bullying the texans into picking him... he's so cocky, and he's short, and he runs when he should pass. RG3 had the big ego, so did Tebow (yes, tebow did). it was all about them, and they ran when they shouldn't, and they slowed down bigtime as a result.
manziel will sell jerseys and be the lead story on some shitty 3-13 team.... it'll be great for ratings, but so was tebow, and he's out of the league now. Manziel is short, immature, and likes to run. I can't see anyone looking at those 3 factors and trying to defend it with some "but he's a winner, he's amazing, he's creative, he has the IT factor..."
The "IT" factor doesn't last long when some 265 pound linebacker blindsides him. The minute he has some tweak in his knee, week 3 of the pre-season, suddenly he is all arm and highly predictable. he's a bust.
If you compare Tebow to Manziel you know nothing about football? Did you even play past high school? I will mark this thread and remind you in about 8 months. Manziel can throw the ball you dumbass
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Fucking A!
Javeveon Clowney just ran the 40 in 4.47 and he weighs 266lbs!
...faster then a lot of the WR and RB'S.
Not bad :o
Faster than Manziel :D
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Get a grip. I know the deal. Just saying, is all.
I know ;)
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Clowney is a freak. 4.47-4.48 40 is faster than shit especially with someone that big. Unfortunately, despite that the 40 is a benchmark test, coaches and scouts are more interested in the 10 yard split than an overall 40 time. Clowney's I think was 1.56. That's explosive as fuck!!
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Combine = Joke
Football dweebs sit on bar stools from coast to coast swilling designer beer and wings watching this chit.
Even the reporters consider this exercise in "fantacy football live" a joke. Amazing athletes are being ignored by the sports press while one guy, Sam, had over 100 reporters elbowing each other to get closer.
225 for reps? Speed between cones. Their are no bench presses or cones on the field. Just get me a big fella with decent speed and guts to block for me…OK?
The highly paid scouts have already picked their guys for the bossman. Let the pads collide. Lets play Fen football already.
I feel this way as well. Its like hiring a guy based on how ue dresses, you have no idea if he is actually knowledgable or has work ethic or real skills, or just knows what to do to impress the guy hiring him.
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I feel this way as well. Its like hiring a guy based on how ue dresses, you have no idea if he is actually knowledgable or has work ethic or real skills, or just knows what to do to impress the guy hiring him.
I agree but I still like when they put up crazy numbers.
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If you compare Tebow to Manziel you know nothing about football? Did you even play past high school? I will mark this thread and remind you in about 8 months. Manziel can throw the ball you dumbass
tebow didn't have the mental ability to process plays fast enough. He did well when defenses didn't look out for him - in that first month, guys would be double teaming the deep receiver, believing he could actually hit them on passes. Once they learned he was inaccurate, they started attacking him and his run was very ineffective suddenly.
Manziel is short. He's lazy. He gets over-emotional and taunts other players on the field. Off the field, he broke some rules with autographs. He was drunk a lot, and he's underage. He showed up for Manning QB camp still drunk. He's fast but 2 steps behind all the new good QBs in the 40 video compilations. He ain't RG3 when he turned on the jets.
Tebow was a one-sided player (granted, he ran OVER people instead of around them like manziel). But once the defenses attack him and put a few licks on him, he'll be ineffective. They have that in common. I'm not talking personalities, Tebow is simple and has a big ego, but he wasn't drinking and breaking law like JM.
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tebow didn't have the mental ability to process plays fast enough. He did well when defenses didn't look out for him - in that first month, guys would be double teaming the deep receiver, believing he could actually hit them on passes. Once they learned he was inaccurate, they started attacking him and his run was very ineffective suddenly.
Manziel is short. He's lazy. He gets over-emotional and taunts other players on the field. Off the field, he broke some rules with autographs. He was drunk a lot, and he's underage. He showed up for Manning QB camp still drunk. He's fast but 2 steps behind all the new good QBs in the 40 video compilations. He ain't RG3 when he turned on the jets.
Tebow was a one-sided player (granted, he ran OVER people instead of around them like manziel). But once the defenses attack him and put a few licks on him, he'll be ineffective. They have that in common. I'm not talking personalities, Tebow is simple and has a big ego, but he wasn't drinking and breaking law like JM.
are you nuts, he's a lot of things but lazy isn't one. Kid is one of the hardest workers on the team at practices.
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;D
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Mark my words. Manziel is a total bust in the making. It won't be his football ability that will ruin him but it will be his off the field life. He loves partying, living it up and being a celebrity. He is another Mark Sanchez in the making.
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The bench translate nothing into athletic performance. There are guys that punch like mules that couldn't bench 225lbs and 500lbs bench guys that punch like pillows.
If you consider a power clean then you can translate that into vertical leap and sprinting ability. Football is a sport that requires power that is a separate yet related attribute than strength.
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The bench translate nothing into athletic performance. There are guys that punch like mules that couldn't bench 225lbs and 500lbs bench guys that punch like pillows.
If you consider a power clean then you can translate that into vertical leap and sprinting ability. Football is a sport that requires power that is a separate yet related attribute than strength.
Slightly disagree. The bench press measures not only physical strength, but endurance too...especially for lineman that use their arms quite often in the trenches to gain leverage and position against their opponent. As far as the skill positions go, I agree with what you say.
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Mark my words. Manziel is a total bust in the making. It won't be his football ability that will ruin him but it will be his off the field life. He loves partying, living it up and being a celebrity. He is another Mark Sanchez in the making.
I'm leaning this way also. I don't think he'll have the work ethic to be a good NFL QB. The best thing that could happen to him is to get on a team and not start for a couple of years and learn. But that doesn't look like it's going to happen. He'll get on a really shitty team and start from jump street and get crushed. He'll have a couple of games where the announcers will soil themselves talking about how great the kid is going to be like they did with Tebow but without work ethic, it probably won't amount to nothing. They say Tony Romo wants to play pro golf. To be a pro golfer the amount of practice it takes is like no other "sport". Romo today is a really good golfer. Which means he is playing and practicing at golf now more than he is practicing football. Which is way he never got better as a quarterback.
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I'm leaning this way also. I don't think he'll have the work ethic to be a good NFL QB. The best thing that could happen to him is to get on a team and not start for a couple of years and learn. But that doesn't look like it's going to happen. He'll get on a really shitty team and start from jump street and get crushed. He'll have a couple of games where the announcers will soil themselves talking about how great the kid is going to be like they did with Tebow but without work ethic, it probably won't amount to nothing. They say Tony Romo wants to play pro golf. To be a pro golfer the amount of practice it takes is like no other "sport". Romo today is a really good golfer. Which means he is playing and practicing at golf now more than he is practicing football. Which is way he never got better as a quarterback.
Romo is a better golf player than he is a football player. he is a scratch to below par golf player. He played the US Open field and was a few under a couple years back.
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Manziel barely has the tools to be a good NFL pro QB. Barely tall enough. Very scrawny.
I could see betting on him, IF he had some amazing work ethic, was focused and had the right attitude.
however, he has that entitled attitude. He breaks rules. He taunts on the field. He shows up at rivals schools parties wasted. He shows up at peyton manning camp still drunk in the AM.
Now, MAYBE he'll magically find the inner discipline and maturity that he lacked just days ago when he dared texans not to draft him... maybe if he had a 6'6" frame with an amazing arm... but he's a small dude, already that's one strike against him. He had the best O-line in the country, so yeah, he had plenty of time to get magical back there without getting smashed. Imagine Demarcus Ware catching his scrambling ass.
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Manziel barely has the tools to be a good NFL pro QB. Barely tall enough. Very scrawny.
I could see betting on him, IF he had some amazing work ethic, was focused and had the right attitude.
however, he has that entitled attitude. He breaks rules. He taunts on the field. He shows up at rivals schools parties wasted. He shows up at peyton manning camp still drunk in the AM.
Now, MAYBE he'll magically find the inner discipline and maturity that he lacked just days ago when he dared texans not to draft him... maybe if he had a 6'6" frame with an amazing arm... but he's a small dude, already that's one strike against him. He had the best O-line in the country, so yeah, he had plenty of time to get magical back there without getting smashed. Imagine Demarcus Ware catching his scrambling ass.
Ware had surgery, but if Manziel gets drafted by the Jags he'll get the honor of being smashed by mathis and watt 4 times a year.
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Romo is a better golf player than he is a football player. he is a scratch to below par golf player. He played the US Open field and was a few under a couple years back.
Yes very good golfer. To be the kind of golfer he is, it takes up almost all his time away from the football field. Time he should be using to become a better football player imop.
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Ron Jaworski said Manziel's mechanics are not what is needed to be successful in the NFL. he's not consistent either.
Jaws said Manziel shouldn't be drafted in the first THREE rounds, but probably will be pushed up because that's what they do to QBs.
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Ron Jaworski said Manziel's mechanics are not what is needed to be successful in the NFL. he's not consistent either.
Jaws said Manziel shouldn't be drafted in the first THREE rounds, but probably will be pushed up because that's what they do to QBs.
It's all about system. If he goes somewhere with a coach who builds a system around him instead of forcing him into one, has a decent O-Line and recievers then he might be better than average. but if he goes to a team with a shit O-line and a coach who wants him to be a pocket passer, dude is going to get smoked.
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Ron Jaworski said Manziel's mechanics are not what is needed to be successful in the NFL. he's not consistent either.
Jaws said Manziel shouldn't be drafted in the first THREE rounds, but probably will be pushed up because that's what they do to QBs.
What are you Teddy Bridgewaters agent or something ???
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Manziel barely has the tools to be a good NFL pro QB. Barely tall enough. Very scrawny.
I could see betting on him, IF he had some amazing work ethic, was focused and had the right attitude.
however, he has that entitled attitude. He breaks rules. He taunts on the field. He shows up at rivals schools parties wasted. He shows up at peyton manning camp still drunk in the AM.
Now, MAYBE he'll magically find the inner discipline and maturity that he lacked just days ago when he dared texans not to draft him... maybe if he had a 6'6" frame with an amazing arm... but he's a small dude, already that's one strike against him. He had the best O-line in the country, so yeah, he had plenty of time to get magical back there without getting smashed. Imagine Demarcus Ware catching his scrambling ass.
not that I think the kid is gonna be a star, but your obsession wirh stats it retarded.
oh, hes not tall enough, hes only 6'whatever, not 6'9",he wont be good...
Fucking wilson is short and he just won the super bowl against arguably the best QB in history.
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What we are still disecting the Combine? Good grief…..I just love NFL fans.
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not that I think the kid is gonna be a star, but your obsession wirh stats it retarded.
oh, hes not tall enough, hes only 6'whatever, not 6'9",he wont be good...
Fucking wilson is short and he just won the super bowl against arguably the best QB in history.
I think if Manziel could play for Seattle, he would be a star. He wouldn't really have to do much because the defense would control the games and Manziel wouldn't have a lot of pressure on him. However he's gonna probably play for a shitty team and is most likely going to feel the pressure on day 1. Wilson is in the perfect situation to grow at his own pace...
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;D
To many nitric oxide boosters. ;D