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can you post some pictures of the actual shit you eat?
seriously, I want to SEE.
i don't believe what people write when it comes to food anymore. seems any shred of honesty goes out the window.
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Beef, eggs, cheese, chicken, bacon, fish, pepperoni, sausage, hot dogs. You really need a pic of those?
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Beef, eggs, cheese, chicken, bacon, fish, pepperoni. You really need a pic of those?
yes, wtf do you just slap all that shit on a plate?
how can you stomach it, honestly? how do you prepare it? that's not a meal, it's just a random mish mash of shit.
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For my most recent < 10 carbs/day diet:
(http://www.foodpoisonjournal.com/uploads/image/groundbeef.jpg)
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Yeah I eat plain. Bowls of ground beef. Bowls of scrambled eggs, 7 hardboiled eggs at a time, snack on cheese throughout the day. Drink Whey protein throughout the day. If I go to a restaurant I eat steak and hot wings.
Don't know what to say really I just eat it. I drink a shit load of fresca and eat sugar free jello by the pounds to get my sweet fix as well.
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yes, wtf do you just slap all that shit on a plate?
how can you stomach it, honestly? how do you prepare it? that's not a meal, it's just a random mish mash of shit.
Uh you know how you randomly mish mash a chicken breast and a potato? Just don't eat the potato and eat a veggie like spinach or broccoli.
Bacon and eggs...Yes how would anyone stomach that.
Pepperoni and cheese roll-ups.
Steak and veg.
The list goes on and on.
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Yeah I eat plain. Bowls of ground beef. Bowls of scrambled eggs, 7 hardboiled eggs at a time, snack on cheese throughout the day. Drink Whey protein throughout the day. If I go to a restaurant I eat steak and hot wings.
Don't know what to say really I just eat it. I drink a shit load of fresca and eat sugar free jello by the pounds to get my sweet fix as well.
hardcore man... don't know how you do it
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hardcore man... don't know how you do it
I used to eat low, low fat. High protein and high carbs. Didn't do shit for me. Now I eat bacon and cheese-high fat foods that I used to avoid. In some ways I feel like I'm eating cheat food to be honest.
I buy no calorie walden farms dressings as well and slather the shit out my chicken or beef as well. Good stuff.
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I buy no calorie walden farms dressings as well and slather the shit out my chicken or beef as well. Good stuff.
see these are the details that make all the difference,
but people usually leave them out ???
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It's a totally individual thing. I've had friends and relatives give the no carb diet a try but the majority of people just can't do it. It's understandable but worth it if you can adjust.
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see these are the details that make all the difference,
but people usually leave them out ???
They're not really details.
If you want to lean out on keto, you have to control the calories. If you eat 5000kcal out of non-carb sources, you'll still get fat because the nutrient itself is so dense, like twice as much as glucide sources.
If you want to do it legit., you have to use mostly low-calorie dressings unless your meals taken together don't meet your calorie threshold.]
It's why I don't do that diet anymore. You have to watch what you're eating even within the restricted options available, and you obviously won't have solid workouts until you carb load again.
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They're not really details.
If you want to lean out on keto, you have to control the calories. If you eat 5000kcal out of non-carb sources, you'll still get fat because the nutrient itself is so dense, like twice as much as glucide sources.
If you want to do it legit., you have to use mostly low-calorie dressings unless your meals taken together don't meet your calorie threshold.
I don't count calories. I just eat what I want-ate a package of bacon for dinner tonight just for the fuck of it.
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I don't count calories. I just eat what I want-ate a package of bacon for dinner tonight just for the fuck of it.
Well, that's good man. But it doesn't work for most people. Definitely didn't work for me. I plateau'd on keto after 3 months. Was losing maybe...1/4lb a week? At most. Even with calorie-manipulation and supersets. I find only cardio can help at that point, but you won't have the energy for it.
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Well, that's good man. But it doesn't work for most people. Definitely didn't work for me. I plateau'd on keto after 3 months. Was losing maybe...1/4lb a week? At most. Even with calorie-manipulation and supersets. I find only cardio can help at that point, but you won't have the energy for it.
Yeah, I agree. Everybody is different but Ive eaten no carb for at least a year and a half straight now with maybe 2 cheat days. My muscle gains stay consistent and my body fat remains very low. I never really feel hungy so I just continue to stay with it. If I ever get tired of it I would have no problem changing up.
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Beef, eggs and mustard bro.
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Well, that's good man. But it doesn't work for most people. Definitely didn't work for me. I plateau'd on keto after 3 months. Was losing maybe...1/4lb a week? At most. Even with calorie-manipulation and supersets. I find only cardio can help at that point, but you won't have the energy for it.
Pure keto for 3 months will completely shut down a number of vital hormones and completely stall progress.
You need to do huge high G.I. carb refeeds once a week to kickstart hormones like leptin and ghrelin and keep insulin responses in check.
Google: "The Carbnite Solution" by DH Kiefer. The guy is a genius.
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A bag of Sweet Sixteen donuts always does the trick.
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my breakfast today
2 cups of coffee
one piece of crisp bread with butter
couple of spoons of yoghurt
ca 10 tea spoons of fruit puré
ca 10 cashew nuts
an egg white
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Beef, eggs, cheese, chicken, bacon, fish, pepperoni, sausage, hot dogs. You really need a pic of those?
you would get incredible fat and sickly, and the outlook would be very bleak for you if you lived on that
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you would get incredible fat and sickly, and the outlook would be very bleak for you if you lived on that
Complete conjecture.
I do live on that.
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I don't meat, I feel great and leaner.
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I buy chicken breasts in 10 pound quantities and marinade it over night. Then I grill it. My grill is a 12 months a year thing, even in drifted snow.
I know it sounds stupid, but there are very few foods that I actually crave.
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When I diet, I diet no carbs.. here's about 3-4 days worth of food
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Typical meals throughout the day
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Yeah I eat plain. Bowls of ground beef. Bowls of scrambled eggs, 7 hardboiled eggs at a time, snack on cheese throughout the day. Drink Whey protein throughout the day. If I go to a restaurant I eat steak and hot wings.
Don't know what to say really I just eat it. I drink a shit load of fresca and eat sugar free jello by the pounds to get my sweet fix as well.
Sounds enjoyable.
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yes, wtf do you just slap all that shit on a plate?
how can you stomach it, honestly? how do you prepare it? that's not a meal, it's just a random mish mash of shit.
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ROFLMAO!!!!
They just love pointless sadomasochism.
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see these are the details that make all the difference,
but people usually leave them out ???
Walden Garbage= Flavored Water with a little bit of Gelatin mixed in. I can`t believe people even buy that stuff.
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I don't count calories. I just eat what I want-ate a package of bacon for dinner tonight just for the fuck of it.
A package of bacon is not many calories at all.
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When I diet, I diet no carbs.. here's about 3-4 days worth of food
All of those vegetables are carbs. Hope this helps.
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All of those vegetables are carbs. Hope this helps.
no..all of them have the lowest carb content... I know what I am doing.. maybe you could google their nutritional info and document yourself before opening your mouth (as usual).. and also to stay in ketosys you can have up to 30g of carbs a day at most .. I average 20-25 due to trace carbs in my greens
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my breakfast today
2 cups of coffee
one piece of crisp bread with butter
couple of spoons of yoghurt
ca 10 tea spoons of fruit puré
ca 10 cashew nuts
an egg white
The picture of that guy is cracking me up!
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http://strengthandvirility.com/2014/02/jon-strongman-andersen-real-caveman-lives-deep-water/
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The picture of that guy is cracking me up!
The turkish yoghurt guy? ;D
Funny story, he was put on the box unknowingly by the diary company, but he was actually greek and got mad. He sued them for 50 million Swedish crowns. But I think they settled and now they're selling greek yoghurt too lol
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Yeah I eat plain. Bowls of ground beef. Bowls of scrambled eggs, 7 hardboiled eggs at a time, snack on cheese throughout the day. Drink Whey protein throughout the day. If I go to a restaurant I eat steak and hot wings.
Don't know what to say really I just eat it. I drink a shit load of fresca and eat sugar free jello by the pounds to get my sweet fix as well.
People won't tell you, but I bet you smell like satans asshole eating like this. No green veggies or salads??
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Tried keto for 3 weeks. Constant sugar cravings, had the feeling i had to shit continuously however with little succes.
It works like a charm though; pissed out around 10lbs of water (and lost some fatt), looked my best ever. The downsides of constant sugar craving and not being able to shit make it hardly maintainable for the long term.
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my breakfast today
2 cups of coffee
one piece of crisp bread with butter
couple of spoons of yoghurt
ca 10 tea spoons of fruit puré
ca 10 cashew nuts
an egg white
Are you a skinny bitch how the hell can a man survive on a breakfast like this.
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Don't have pics but i weight all my meals so i know exactly how much i eat:
Meal 1: 5 whole omega 3 eggs + 10g coconut oil
Meal 2: 250g egg whites + 75g natural peanut butter
Meal 3: 200g white fish + 15g olive oil + 15g coconut oil + spinach (as much as i want)
Meal 4: 250g egg whites + 70g cashew butter
Meal 5: 200g salmon (wild caught) + 20 g olive oil + spinach
Meal 6: 250g egg whites + 60g almond butter
I do this 3 days. On forth day last meal is carb up meal. generally 200-300g carbs with some fats
I like Palumbo, Blp, Disgusted and Meadows approach in regards to nutrition. I mix some of their ideas...
I like different sources of fat to make sure i have all my essential fatty acids. Nuts are very healthy and got lots of micronutrients that can help your system to work properly. Including nuts you will have trace carbs so is not a "no carb" diet at all
My macros are something like this: 250g protein 200g fat 30g carbs
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what's the point in eating 3 days no carbs and 300g on the fourth? how about eating 100g a day? or go no carbs at all without "carb ups"
carb ups are another way of saying the forth day I'm fucking starving and I wanna eat some carbs
stay on zero carbs.. 4th day through the 7th at most is where you feel uneasy about it... after that it's smooth sailing.. no cravings, no carb ups no need to cheat and so forth.. plus the fat is burned much more efficient without the carbs or cheat days
try it
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what's the point in eating 3 days no carbs and 300g on the fourth? how about eating 100g a day? or go no carbs at all without "carb ups"
carb ups are another way of saying the forth day I'm fucking starving and I wanna eat some carbs
stay on zero carbs.. 4th day through the 7th at most is where you feel uneasy about it... after that it's smooth sailing.. no cravings, no carb ups no need to cheat and so forth.. plus the fat is burned much more efficient without the carbs or cheat days
try it
Good point. I don't feel tired on my low carb diet contrariwise i fell very energetic and i not only can burn fat but stay at the same weight maybe add a few kgs so that means i'm growing lean. The "carb up" have a good effect on me speeding up my metabolism. Some people say that carb up could even be more powerfull than thyroid hormone supplementation...
But i could try to do more than 4 days on low carb... And to be honest i don't like the clean carbs taste at all. Nuts and oils are much more tasteful...
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for the last two months now , chicken and asparagus, beef and asparagus, fish and asparagus, kale salads, lots of raw broccoli and cauliflower. Don't miss carbs at all
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for the last two months now , chicken and asparagus, beef and asparagus, fish and asparagus, kale salads, lots of raw broccoli and cauliflower. Don't miss carbs at all
Looks like a lot of carbs in that diet to me.
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Looks like a lot of carbs in that diet to me.
Per spear
Total Carbohydrate 0.6 g
0%
Dietary fiber 0.3 g
1%
Sugar 0.3 g
So about 30 or so spears = 18 grams a day. Not bad at all.
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Chicken garlic and white wine with a stuffed mushroom.
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Butcher's special sun-blushed tomato sausages and mushroom/onion omelette
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Herb chicken with cauliflower cheese (mashed up like potato)
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A zero sugar jelly and full fat cream is a nice desert, or even zero sugar diabetic chocolate.
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Herb chicken with cauliflower cheese (mashed up like potato)
mashed cauliflower >>>>>>>> mashed potatoes.
so fucking good.
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Per spear
Total Carbohydrate 0.6 g
0%
Dietary fiber 0.3 g
1%
Sugar 0.3 g
So about 30 or so spears = 18 grams a day. Not bad at all.
PER SPEAR HUH?,,how about if you eat out Britney spear is that ok'carb wise'
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Breakfast - Atkins Protein Shake
Lunch - Chicken and Green Beans (You can get cheap rotisserie chickens from Sam's Club $5)
Dinner - Tuna with a couple ritz crackers and small bit of ranch (each cracker has about 1g carb)
Post Workout - Atkins Protein Shake
Evening - Eggs and sausage with cheese
This is roughly what a typical day would look like. Of course, the meals may change order, or slight differences depending on mood. Sometimes I cook up ground beef in a skillet. I mash it up like hamburger helper and add some spices. Tastes great. Add in some vegetables with the ground beef and you have a meal.
Sugar free jello is a good desert if you feel like you need it. Pickles are a good snack because <1g carbs. You can have salads with dressing on them as long as you don't add too much dressing. I normally use ranch. The atkins protein shakes taste great and satisfy the need for something chocolate tasting. If I'm feeling like cheating I might eat some cocoa almonds, which again are another good chocolate replacement. Don't go crazy on the mixed nuts or almonds though. I've noticed they don't hurt the diet, but can slow down the progress.
The first three days of a no-carb diet you should be super strict in order to get into ketosis. After that, trace amounts of carbs are fine and you will continue to stay in ketosis. You can use the keto pee strips if you doubt this. Lots of green vegetables are fine, cheeses, even some almonds here and there, etc.
There are other ways to lose weight, BUT medically speaking, ketosis is pretty much the fastest route because it turns your bodies fuel for energy into soley your fat stores.
I'm not currently on the diet, but plan to start it again soon this Spring. If you need any food ideas, feel free to PM me. There is a lot you can do with the keto diet.
You really like those Atkins shakes, eh? Are they made from good protein sources (whey isolate or something)? I know Atkins bars are by far the worst protein bars you can possibly buy. They won't keep you in ketosis and have use soy as the protein source instead of whey. They taste incredible, don't get me wrong, but I don't understand how they can be considered "Atkins" when they don't follow the low carb ideal.
What do you think of Quest/Victory bars who claim to have under 8g of carbs/bar?
I am similar to you in the sense that I don't follow a ketgenic diet year round, I let loose around November/December and pick it back up mid February, but I don't stay on keto the whole summer either, I like carb cycling or even doing that Keifer thing where you eat carbs with the last meal of your day and/or post-workout. Worked very well for me last summer, I ate chocolate bars, cereal, rice, pasta, etc... and didn't gain any significant fat, in fact my muscle seemed fuller all the time this way. But then I fell off the wagon completely in Dec and decided to "bulk" ::) .
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Good point. I don't feel tired on my low carb diet contrariwise i fell very energetic and i not only can burn fat but stay at the same weight maybe add a few kgs so that means i'm growing lean. The "carb up" have a good effect on me speeding up my metabolism. Some people say that carb up could even be more powerfull than thyroid hormone supplementation...
But i could try to do more than 4 days on low carb... And to be honest i don't like the clean carbs taste at all. Nuts and oils are much more tasteful...
I disagree wholeheartedly. Carb ups are not carb ups but an excuse to eat carbs .. the end result is what matters. Being in shape.
Whe you stay on zero carbs a few weeks the body starts working like a machine if you know your nutrition. Burns fat efficiently and it's a powerful detoxifier.
Carbing up overstimulates the pancreas, fucks you up a for a little while, confuses the body etc... you need the same thing day in and day out then the body regulates intself as far as fat burning is concerned.
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read the anabolic diet sev. Some good research on no carb days with a carb up day.
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read the anabolic diet sev. Some good research on no carb days with a carb up day.
maybe for someone like you who has no clue what they are dealing with .. I speak from experience.. maybe THEY should read MY opinion on the matter not the other way around
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maybe for someone like you who has no clue what they are dealing with .. I speak from experience.. maybe THEY should read MY opinion on the matter not the other way around
hahaha, so I'll take your advice over published research with proven results. Yes, it is a bitch on your system but it works.
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hahaha, so I'll take your advice over published research with proven results. Yes, it is a bitch on your system but it works.
yes .. I think I know better from experience
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This is true only to a certain point. Once into the single digits, it becomes very stagnant.
It's also completely unsustainable to lift any heavy weights, or do any interval training, without some glycogen stores, hence the refeed once per week. If you were fairly sedentary, or did LISS, then keto-adaptation would be fine, but it is not ideal for a getbigger. Also need to refill leptin stores for metabolic function (and hormone balance for mental health), which can ONLY be refilled using carbohydrates (an insulin spike); leptin is not replenished from protein or fat.
For refeeds, does the type of carb make a difference, simple vs complex?
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Sev, I am assuming "pulpa" is octopus?
Yes. Octopus is my favorite but I rarely eat it anymore since it's very overfished. Not that getbiggers care ::)
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The turkish yoghurt guy? ;D
Funny story, he was put on the box unknowingly by the diary company, but he was actually greek and got mad. He sued them for 50 million Swedish crowns. But I think they settled and now they're selling greek yoghurt too lol
Hell yeah he'd be pissed. He's old so he's probably still bitter
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The turkish yoghurt guy? ;D
Funny story, he was put on the box unknowingly by the diary company, but he was actually greek and got mad. He sued them for 50 million Swedish crowns. But I think they settled and now they're selling greek yoghurt too lol
That stache is so manly it's its own legal representation. Even Sean Connery couldn't sport that thing.
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Sev, I am assuming "pulpa" is octopus?
a cut of beef
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a cut of beef
a squeeky queef
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for once an informative GB thread. keep it going boys...
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for once an informative GB thread. keep it going boys...
sorry about that
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Define 'being in shape'; a swimmer/runner who wants to be able to cover 100km is going to benefit from being keto-adapted. A weightlifter/crossfitter/interval trainer is not.
There is a big difference between being in ketosis a few days a week for optimal fat burning while maintaining some glycogen reserve, and being keto-adapted for long term fat-ketone use.
we are on a bodybuilding board Einstein ..
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i think a carbo loading has good benefits at times.
sure the fatloss will be stopped right there, but its ok, when shredded, you need them at times.
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I disagree wholeheartedly. Carb ups are not carb ups but an excuse to eat carbs .. the end result is what matters. Being in shape.
Whe you stay on zero carbs a few weeks the body starts working like a machine if you know your nutrition. Burns fat efficiently and it's a powerful detoxifier.
Carbing up overstimulates the pancreas, fucks you up a for a little while, confuses the body etc... you need the same thing day in and day out then the body regulates intself as far as fat burning is concerned.
Dude you talk down to people a lot. And most of the time they deserve it, but now you're talking out of your ass.
I don't know how they do things in Romania, but here in the American scientific community you better be able to back up the things you claim. There is tons of evidence out there that going on keto for too long and you will find yourself eating 1,500 cal or less per day and still not making progress this is totally fucked.
So very well educated people studied this and found that too long on keto and your body shuts down important hormones namely leptin, insulin, and ghrelin thus halting fat loss. Way too complex for me to explain.
Read "The Carbnite Solution" by Kiefer. This man knows the actual science behind what he claims and can back it up..Unlike you.
Dude honestly you got lean one time, and I attribute that mostly to drugs and a low cal diet...You weren't anywhere near shredded stage shape either..So please stop acting like you're some fucking expert guru on all things because you got to 6% bodyfat once in your skinny-fat Romanian lifetime...There are people who eat 500g of carbs a day and stay leaner than you, at your leanest, year round...
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Dude you talk down to people a lot. And most of the time they deserve it, but now you're talking out of your ass.
I don't know how they do things in Romania, but here in the American scientific community you better be able to back up the things you claim. There is tons of evidence out there that going on keto for too long and you will find yourself eating 1,500 cal or less per day and still not making progress this is totally fucked.
So very well educated people studied this and found that too long on keto and your body shuts down important hormones namely leptin, insulin, and ghrelin thus halting fat loss. Way too complex for me to explain.
Read "The Carbnite Solution" by Kiefer. This man knows the actual science behind what he claims and can back it up..Unlike you.
Dude honestly you got lean one time, and I attribute that mostly to drugs and a low cal diet...You weren't anywhere near shredded stage shape either..So please stop acting like you're some fucking expert guru on all things because you got to 6% bodyfat once in your skinny-fat Romanian lifetime...There are people who eat 500g of carbs a day and stay leaner than you, at your leanest, year round...
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Dude you talk down to people a lot. And most of the time they deserve it, but now you're talking out of your ass.
I don't know how they do things in Romania, but here in the American scientific community you better be able to back up the things you claim. There is tons of evidence out there that going on keto for too long and you will find yourself eating 1,500 cal or less per day and still not making progress this is totally fucked.
So very well educated people studied this and found that too long on keto and your body shuts down important hormones namely leptin, insulin, and ghrelin thus halting fat loss. Way too complex for me to explain.
Read "The Carbnite Solution" by Kiefer. This man knows the actual science behind what he claims and can back it up..Unlike you.
Dude honestly you got lean one time, and I attribute that mostly to drugs and a low cal diet...You weren't anywhere near shredded stage shape either..So please stop acting like you're some fucking expert guru on all things because you got to 6% bodyfat once in your skinny-fat Romanian lifetime...There are people who eat 500g of carbs a day and stay leaner than you, at your leanest, year round...
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Dude you talk down to people a lot. And most of the time they deserve it, but now you're talking out of your ass.
I don't know how they do things in Romania, but here in the American scientific community you better be able to back up the things you claim. There is tons of evidence out there that going on keto for too long and you will find yourself eating 1,500 cal or less per day and still not making progress this is totally fucked.
So very well educated people studied this and found that too long on keto and your body shuts down important hormones namely leptin, insulin, and ghrelin thus halting fat loss. Way too complex for me to explain.
Read "The Carbnite Solution" by Kiefer. This man knows the actual science behind what he claims and can back it up..Unlike you.
Dude honestly you got lean one time, and I attribute that mostly to drugs and a low cal diet...You weren't anywhere near shredded stage shape either..So please stop acting like you're some fucking expert guru on all things because you got to 6% bodyfat once in your skinny-fat Romanian lifetime...There are people who eat 500g of carbs a day and stay leaner than you, at your leanest, year round...
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Thanks for the posts guys! Great post pork chop!
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Any opinions from those who compete and jump on stage in low single digits? every competing bodybuilder I know off carb cycles to contest, when nearing the contest they go very low. I have an IFBB pro who is a personal friend and he carb cycles, I come on getbig and everyone is going Keto no loading no breaks, just straight up ???
Everytime I cut I carb cycled, the re-load I was told kick starts you metablism and replnishes glycogen which is well needed for hormonal balance and anabolism.
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Any opinions from those who compete and jump on stage in low single digits? every competing bodybuilder I know off carb cycles to contest, when nearing the contest they go very low. I have an IFBB pro who is a personal friend and he carb cycles, I come on getbig and everyone is going Keto no loading no breaks, just straight up ???
Everytime I cut I carb cycled, the re-load I was told kick starts you metablism and replnishes glycogen which is well needed for hormonal balance and anabolism.
Different boards have different dogma trends. All it takes is 1 asshat and a bunch of retards looking for someone to follow... and BOOM... a guru is born.
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lol @ TEMPER
another getbig "specialist" in diets and especially quoting "studies" hahahaha you gotta love it .. I call this the Apenis Crew
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Many people say that they dont eat any carbs.
But, they are all fat. Why? Because they are liers.
If somebody do no carbs 3 weeks, this person gets lean without exceptions.
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Many people say that they dont eat any carbs.
But, they are all fat. Why? Because they are liers.
If somebody do no carbs 3 weeks, this person gets lean without exceptions.
Bingo
stay on no carbs and after a few weeks you lean out much more efficient
my argument from experience is that no carb dieting eliminates cravings
that's why I use it and also my clients eat the same way
from my experience is the best way to diet and detox
there are more ways to skin a cat so to speak
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I disagree wholeheartedly. Carb ups are not carb ups but an excuse to eat carbs .. the end result is what matters. Being in shape.
Whe you stay on zero carbs a few weeks the body starts working like a machine if you know your nutrition. Burns fat efficiently and it's a powerful detoxifier.
Carbing up overstimulates the pancreas, fucks you up a for a little while, confuses the body etc... you need the same thing day in and day out then the body regulates intself as far as fat burning is concerned.
I respect your point but do not agree.
I found to have "carb ups" or cheat meal (once a week or every 4th) absolutely essential to keep progress on. I don't crave anything as you said before on low carb diet, but having a cheat meal once in a while does the trick of speeding up the meatabolism... I do believe that it could even be more effective than taking t3... And it saves you from the "post contest" sugar overdose because you have those goodies in small amounts during all journey...
I think why most of the followers of keto type of diets deny the cheat meals is because its "hardcore" to diet 12 weeks on meat, fish and oil... but is it the smarter decision?
Being hardcore is steeping on stage ripped to the bone with the most muscle mass possible ;)
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Many people say that they dont eat any carbs.
But, they are all fat. Why? Because they are liers.
If somebody do no carbs 3 weeks, this person gets lean without exceptions.
WHAT KYOMU? YOU MEAN THE OBESE MIDDLE AGE WOMEN IN MY OFFICE ARE ACTUALLY SECRETLY EATING WHOLE TUBS OF PRINGLES AND COOKIES EVERY NIGHT, WHILE MAINTAINING THE FACADE OF 'COUNTING POINTS' DIET SYSTEMS IN THE OFFICE, AND THE LETTUCE AND EGG SALAD THEY HAVE FOR LUNCH IS JUST A COVER UP?
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I respect your point but do not agree.
I found to have "carb ups" or cheat meal (once a week or every 4th) absolutely essential to keep progress on. I don't crave anything as you said before on low carb diet, but having a cheat meal once in a while does the trick of speeding up the meatabolism... I do believe that it could even be more effective than taking t3... And it saves you from the "post contest" sugar overdose because you have those goodies in small amounts during all journey...
I think why most of the followers of keto type of diets deny the cheat meals is because its "hardcore" to diet 12 weeks on meat, fish and oil... but is it the smarter decision?
Being hardcore is steeping on stage ripped to the bone with the most muscle mass possible ;)
Yes, it's the smarted decision and it's more natural for the body. When dieting, consistency is key. Not just for the end result but also for reducing gland production fluctuations that in turn stir up emotions that fry the nervous system. My argument goes beyond the apparent.
But if you get ripped that way more power to you.
On stage, one needs to find a compromise: either ripped to the bone and a little smaller flatter or full big with less "rippedness". Not possible to have both. Personally I prefer sacrificing size for cuts in order to create a better illusion.
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Yes, it's the smarted decision and it's more natural for the body. When dieting, consistency is key. Not just for the end result but also for reducing gland production fluctuations that in turn stir up emotions that fry the nervous system. My argument goes beyond the apparent.
But if you get ripped that way more power to you.
On stage, one needs to find a compromise: either ripped to the bone and a little smaller flatter or full big with less "rippedness". Not possible to have both. Personally I prefer sacrificing size for cuts in order to create a better illusion.
Struth.... ::)
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Yes, it's the smarted decision and it's more natural for the body. When dieting, consistency is key. Not just for the end result but also for reducing gland production fluctuations that in turn stir up emotions that fry the nervous system. My argument goes beyond the apparent.
But if you get ripped that way more power to you.
On stage, one needs to find a compromise: either ripped to the bone and a little smaller flatter or full big with less "rippedness". Not possible to have both. Personally I prefer sacrificing size for cuts in order to create a better illusion.
I agree 100% ripped and a bit flat will make you look much better on stage than "full but a bit blurred".
What people cant usually do is cheating in moderation. Most fellas tend to stuff theirselves with crap and it's not good. When i did that i felt kind of "poisoned" by all that inflammation brought by all the food...
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I agree 100% ripped and a bit flat will make you look much better on stage than "full but a bit blurred".
What people cant usually do is cheating in moderation. Most fellas tend to stuff theirselves with crap and it's not good. When i did that i felt kind of "poisoned" by all that inflammation brought by all the food...
Cheating is cheating for craving's sake. It has no benefit whatsoever to the process but a temporary stir up of the glandular balance as it was. The key is not cheating and a no carb diet is the most natural easiest way to do that. It is not the end of the world if one cheats. But we were discussing the IDEAL way to diet oneself in shape.
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Different boards have different dogma trends. All it takes is 1 asshat and a bunch of retards looking for someone to follow... and BOOM... a guru is born.
Who's the asshat who started this keto straight up forever. Dish the dirt >:(
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Who's the asshat who started this keto straight up forever. Dish the dirt >:(
Many including me advocate keto... but MY version of it... saying "no carbs" isn't saying much about it.. I am very specific with the ratios weight and sources.
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Cheating is cheating for craving's sake. It has no benefit whatsoever to the process but a temporary stir up of the glandular balance as it was. The key is not cheating and a no carb diet is the most natural easiest way to do that. It is not the end of the world if one cheats. But we were discussing the IDEAL way to diet oneself in shape.
Since the glycogen stores in the liver and muscles are depleted, carbohydrates go straight to refilling them, instead of being added to the body's fat stores, this occurs when there's excess. Hence on refeed day if one does not over eat and maintain a medium portion of carbs this will prevent going too flat if the goal is to maintain muscle mass. I never notice fat gain when I refeed, infact the next morning I feel solid and muscles feel full yet the skin is tight, a refeed boosts metabolism as well which slows right down with a deficit of calories and energy sources for 5 days.
What people fail to understand is that we're all different, in a metabolic way as well as a psychological way. A blanket fits all type of dieting is not the answer
BTW my protocol is 5/6 days very low and one to two days carb refeed. At the beginning I only have one carb refeed.
Then again my goal is usually getting solid abs for a holiday, not a 4% bf....cos going from arounf 7/8% to 4% is a totally different game.
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Since the glycogen stores in the liver and muscles are depleted, carbohydrates go straight to refilling them, instead of being added to the body's fat stores, this occurs when there's excess. Hence on refeed day if one does not over eat and maintain a medium portion of carbs this will prevent going too flat if the goal is to maintain muscle mass. I never notice fat gain when I refeed, infact the next morning I feel solid and muscles feel full yet the skin is tight, a refeed boosts metabolism as well which slows right down with a deficit of calories and energy sources for 5 days.
What people fail to understand is that we're all different, in a metabolic way as well as a psychological way. A blanket fits all type of dieting is not the answer
BTW my protocol is 5/6 days very low and one to two days carb refeed. At the beginning I only have one carb refeed.
Then again my goal is usually getting solid abs for a holiday, not a 4% bf....cos going from arounf 7/8% to 4% is a totally different game.
Sev has no idea what you're talking about now, that may has well have been in hieroglyphics.
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Since the glycogen stores in the liver and muscles are depleted, carbohydrates go straight to refilling them, instead of being added to the body's fat stores, this occurs when there's excess. Hence on refeed day if one does not over eat and maintain a medium portion of carbs this will prevent going too flat if the goal is to maintain muscle mass. I never notice fat gain when I refeed, infact the next morning I feel solid and muscles feel full yet the skin is tight, a refeed boosts metabolism as well which slows right down with a deficit of calories and energy sources for 5 days.
What people fail to understand is that we're all different, in a metabolic way as well as a psychological way. A blanket fits all type of dieting is not the answer
BTW my protocol is 5/6 days very low and one to two days carb refeed. At the beginning I only have one carb refeed.
Then again my goal is usually getting solid abs for a holiday, not a 4% bf....cos going from arounf 7/8% to 4% is a totally different game.
You are preaching to the choir. Besides trying myself any type of dieting for the past 20 years, I also transformed over 400 people from professional athletes to regular folks. I have experimented with everything.
But for example, you never got into contest shape (random assumption). You want to stay full for the beach and maintain a beach body. Different goal.
To me, in these types of discussions all that matters is how one presents himself on stage on that particular day.
So I do understand you based on your goal. But then, what exactly are you asking? You contradict yourself. See what I mean?
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I also transformed over 400 people from professional athletes to regular folks.
Lol, turning athletes into regular folks.
You set them a fine example Sebastian.
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You are preaching to the choir. Besides trying myself any type of dieting for the past 20 years, I also transformed over 400 people from professional athletes to regular folks. I have experimented with everything.
But for example, you never got into contest shape (random assumption). You want to stay full for the beach and maintain a beach body. Different goal.
To me, in these types of discussions all that matters is how one presents himself on stage on that particular day.
So I do understand you based on your goal. But then, what exactly are you asking? You contradict yourself. See what I mean?
Totally alien concept to you, unless you are going to produce the photos.
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I respect and agree with alot that TEMPER and gatts are saying in this thread but Sev has always backed up his claims on this forum and he has documented some VERY solid results with multiple clients on here. I would have to say the man definitely knows his shit when it comes to getting folks in really good shape.
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Totally alien concept to you, unless you are going to produce the photos.
7 years ago I believe, there was the Mr Getbig contest. I wanted to enter but that kunt CQ and the homo Mindspit did not allowed me to enter because I admitted in the past to taking steroids. Long story short, I wanted to make an experiment.. to enter the contest prepping myself without steroids or fatburners..just moderate training and diet. I did that and posted the pics anyway even though I was "not included". I figured with competition like Adonis I could do very well even clean because of my shape.
So I basically tried everything... classic on stage shape with everything, clean dieting to 6%, etc etc... many years and a lot of experience. I trained everyone and every type. Not justifying myself but you are a little kid to me even though you are 50. Pick 10 years of my life and you'd kill to be me. I am just awesome like that Mr Pink Gstrungoncock
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WHAT KYOMU? YOU MEAN THE OBESE MIDDLE AGE WOMEN IN MY OFFICE ARE ACTUALLY SECRETLY EATING WHOLE TUBS OF PRINGLES AND COOKIES EVERY NIGHT, WHILE MAINTAINING THE FACADE OF 'COUNTING POINTS' DIET SYSTEMS IN THE OFFICE, AND THE LETTUCE AND EGG SALAD THEY HAVE FOR LUNCH IS JUST A COVER UP?
Is there anything more disgusting than having to go into the lunch room to grab my chicken and broccoli from the fridge to see 6 300+ pound whales pretending to eat healthy with thier 2500 calorie super large Jamba Juice smoothie in one hand and their 2000 calorie subway sub in their other.
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Is there anything more disgusting than having to go into the lunch room to grab my chicken and broccoli from the fridge to see 6 300+ pound whales pretending to eat healthy with thier 2500 calorie super large Jamba Juice smoothie in one hand and their 2000 calorie subway sub in their other.
LOL...
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You are preaching to the choir. Besides trying myself any type of dieting for the past 20 years, I also transformed over 400 people from professional athletes to regular folks. I have experimented with everything.
But for example, you never got into contest shape (random assumption). You want to stay full for the beach and maintain a beach body. Different goal.
To me, in these types of discussions all that matters is how one presents himself on stage on that particular day.
So I do understand you based on your goal. But then, what exactly are you asking? You contradict yourself. See what I mean?
I'm not contradicting myself, I am just leaving a window open and trying to be open minded instead of the usual closed and stubborn opinions "lets see who shouts louder" kind of argument.
I personlly believe that your diet concept for a competing bodybuilder is OTT i.e. going keto for many months straight would leave one emaciated and flat come contest day. Glycogen plays an extremely important part in muscles and going vritually without is not a good idea unless you're aiming to be like that helmut Strebl.
I don't doubt your client achievement claims, however, if you managed a heavier bodybuilder with substantial mass which must be sustained carefully, things could go badly wrong come stage day.
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And thanks for posting the pic sev 8)
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Is there anything more disgusting than having to go into the lunch room to grab my chicken and broccoli from the fridge to see 6 300+ pound whales pretending to eat healthy with thier 2500 calorie super large Jamba Juice smoothie in one hand and their 2000 calorie subway sub in their other.
EXACTLY!!!!
I'm 'healthy eating' this month. So i'm just going to have that 'lighter choices brand' sandwich (400kcals) a large smoothie (500 kcals) a pack of 'light' crisps (100kcals) a banana (100 kcals) and a 'fat free' packet of jelly beans (250 kcals)........WOW I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER WHEN I'M ONLY EATING OVER 1200 KCALS FOR MY LUNCH ALONE WITH ABOUT 450 GRAMS OF CARBS!!!!!!!!!!! HMMMMMM WHAT SHALL I HAVE WHEN I GET HOME FOR MY HEALTHY DINNER?????? I KNOW!!!!!!!!! 3 JACKET POTATOES WITH CHEESE AND A SLICE OF CUCUMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm not contradicting myself, I am just leaving a window open and trying to be open minded instead of the usual closed and stubborn opinions "lets see who shouts louder" kind of argument.
I personlly believe that your diet concept for a competing bodybuilder is OTT i.e. going keto for many months straight would leave one emaciated and flat come contest day. Glycogen plays an extremely important part in muscles and going vritually without is not a good idea unless you're aiming to be like that helmut Strebl.
I don't doubt your client achievement claims, however, if you managed a heavier bodybuilder with substantial mass which must be sustained carefully, things could go badly wrong come stage day.
But you claim that one needs to use carbs to come in shape onstage. I claim one does not need them for a great shape at any weight. Done it and seen it. I feel that no serious bodybuilder or contest prep guru would argue me on this one.
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But you claim that one needs to use carbs to come in shape onstage. I claim one does not need them for a great shape at any weight. Done it and seen it. I feel that no serious bodybuilder or contest prep guru would argue me on this one.
When I competed in the mens light heavy, I couldn't use any carbs for 3 months.
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its not so complicated,the more shredded you are the more often the body gonna need or get away with a carbo load.
when one is plain fatto, he dont need any carboloading whatsoever.
to get the last bit fat off, not doing it is better.
most ppl arent anywhere near lean enough to justify a carbo loading, though.
how would i know, well i been there havent i
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Ok fuck it then, I'm going no carb all the way and will see how I fare.
I started dieting on Sunday, and was planning a refeed Friday, that's out the window now.
Will let you know how it goes.
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Ok fuck it then, I'm going no carb all the way and will see how I fare.
I started dieting on Sunday, and was planning a refeed Friday, that's out the window now.
Will let you know how it goes.
Bye ;D
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Ok fuck it then, I'm going no carb all the way and will see how I fare.
I started dieting on Sunday, and was planning a refeed Friday, that's out the window now.
Will let you know how it goes.
can also cycle the carbs , just takes a slight bit longer to get there.
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I dieted last year with 3 days very low carb then a carb meal on the 4th day , low carb again day 5 then sat, sun off, eating what I liked but stayed close to maintenance cals then back on low carb Monday
Came down 30lbs in 14 weeks
Last 3 weeks were stricter regarding foods but went higher in cals as I was severely depleted.
Weighed in at around 200lb onstage.
Next time Im going to eat a higher ratio of carbs.
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I dieted last year with 3 days very low carb then a carb meal on the 4th day , low carb again day 5 then sat, sun off, eating what I liked but stayed close to maintenance cals then back on low carb Monday
Came down 30lbs in 14 weeks
Last 3 weeks were stricter regarding foods but went higher in cals as I was severely depleted.
Weighed in at around 200lb onstage.
Next time Im going to eat a higher ratio of carbs.
SEEMS SIMPLE...SIMON..
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Are you a skinny bitch how the hell can a man survive on a breakfast like this.
Haha I don't like breakfast. It's not hard to survive on this if you eat 3 more meals throughout the day and evening.
Yes I am pretty skinny, think natural and lean.
Thing is, I could eat more but when it manifests as fat around the stomach area I'd rather be skinny.
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Here is what I know and how I see things...
The body fares well when you are consistent with what you do. Fuck up the balance or trend and it shuts down and clings to fat. So whenn you go no carbs non stop the body uses lypogenesys...uses fats...when you do eat carbs as well, it's glucogenesys.. both systems work well if CONSISTANT. But when you fuck with it every so often, you fuck with the pancreas as well and it releases insulin etc .. and it abruptly switches back to glyco storage etc.
YOUR BODY DOES NOT LIKE WHEN YOU FUCK WITH IT AND IT DOES NOT KNOW WHAT'S NEXT.
YOUR BODY DOES VERY WELL FATBURNING WHEN YOU ARE CONSISTANT..EITHER LOW CARB CLEAN EATING OR KETO.
This is my take on it.
CONSISTANCY AND SLOW MODERATE APPROACH AND i GUARANTEE YOU'LL COME IN SHAPE.
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Here is what I know and how I see things...
The body fares well when you are consistent with what you do. Fuck up the balance or trend and it shuts down and clings to fat. So whenn you go no carbs non stop the body uses lypogenesys...uses fats...when you do eat carbs as well, it's glucogenesys.. both systems work well if CONSISTANT. But when you fuck with it every so often, you fuck with the pancreas as well and it releases insulin etc .. and it abruptly switches back to glyco storage etc.
YOUR BODY DOES NOT LIKE WHEN YOU FUCK WITH IT AND IT DOES NOT KNOW WHAT'S NEXT.
YOUR BODY DOES VERY WELL FATBURNING WHEN YOU ARE CONSISTANT..EITHER LOW CARB CLEAN EATING OR KETO.
This is my take on it.
CONSISTANCY AND SLOW MODERATE APPROACH AND i GUARANTEE YOU'LL COME IN SHAPE.
The body is also very good at self preservation and if you eat consistently low for a period of time the metabolism adjusts to allow you to survive.
Now if you constantly keep it off guard with higher and lower cals then its always confused and as long as the calories remain in an over all deficit you should keep losing.
Rabbit Starvation is the obvious exception to any diet rules.
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The body is also very good at self preservation and if you eat consistently low for a period of time the metabolism adjusts to allow you to survive.
Now if you constantly keep it off guard with higher and lower cals then its always confused and as long as the calories remain in an over all deficit you should keep losing.
Rabbit Starvation is the obvious exception to any diet rules.
Simple Simon owning this thread with simplicity lol ;D
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The body is also very good at self preservation and if you eat consistently low for a period of time the metabolism adjusts to allow you to survive.
Now if you constantly keep it off guard with higher and lower cals then its always confused and as long as the calories remain in an over all deficit you should keep losing.
Rabbit Starvation is the obvious exception to any diet rules.
yes, i have to say about the "galeniko approach",sure thing it works.
but once you have crashed the calories, theres no going back.if one goes higher, the body gonna store the fat and water in an unbelievable fast rate.
sure one refeed when depleted will not hurt, but neither will it boost metabolism, theres only few way to keep a metabolism going, and going too low on cals is not 1 off them.
when already crahed,theres only 2 ways to go further, reduce even more, or be more actuve,which will be hard bc theres simply not much energy for much more than the training and zmbying through the day.
for me its no problem though i know whats to come and know ill hold through.
if one hasnt got the mental power, better to stick to a carbo cycling regiment.
its always relative, when im 8% bodyfat, ie very soft for my standards, i can go on with very little food,the feeling on having plenty energy is there, bc im used to much lower standards.
some other person could be feeling as drained at 12% as i do at 5%, simply bc hes used to being 15+%
and with the crashing down, but this goes for all bbuilding diets, must be very careful when increasing calories later on.
but i simply use the very easy "trick" of no eating unless hungry and thats it.
that way must never count calories.or schedule meals.
i know, you schedule small meals bc you know youll be hungry by the time youre "supposed"to eat again, this is very smart approach and has nothing to do with a dumbass who simple schedules 5 or 6 meals bc theres atherory out there saying so.
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but i simply use the very easy "trick" of no eating unless hungry and thats it.
that way must never count calories.or schedule meals.
Thats easy if you actually know what 'hungry' is.
Some people have never ever been 'hungry'.
Some people eat a meal and say "Im still hungry", lol.
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Thats easy if you actually know what 'hungry' is.
Some people have never ever been 'hungry'.
Some people eat a meal and say "Im still hungry", lol.
haha yeah.
must specify liud and clear.hungry is when the stomach is without a doubt empty.
it sometimes even fools myself after all those years,i could swear im fainting from hunger and then despite not having a meal, have a huge toiletry session later on.its very misleading,generaly the more "Junkfoddy" the food is,the more the brain is misleading you.
so yeah, its oemwhere between going hypo(thbats too brutal) and stomach realy sucked in bc theres nothing in it.
to keep that state permanent is easy, therell always be that feeling of the average person who thinks theyre hungry, realy satiety rarely happens on diet.or feeling etremly filled.
haha, yeah,the ppl are hilarious, one frend after having eaten a 500cals sandwich, about 1 hr later he described his alleged hunger as "im feeling like theres a hole in my gut(this is in the real world just the bloodsugar coming crashing down from the previous sandwich)i could eat a house".
he then ate a whole pizza and was kinda agressive and moody while waiting for the izza.when will it come"etc.
or a frend we went to mcdonalds.after he had 10 33cl beers that night, ie 1500cals, and thats after dinner with nuts etc, he ate there 1500cals(i know the mcdonalds cals)and after that had a portion of fries to top that up, to finsih off the little remaining hunger.
yeah ppl with no control oblivious to what is bloodsugar levels and how it feels, will be hungry at the sight of a fastfood stand.or mere thought.
the issue, they confuse apetite with hunger.
even sine on a farm have better feel for hunger.literaly, i worked on a swine farm once. ;D
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Simple Simon owning this thread with simplicity lol ;D
yawn
maybe you are just desperate to eat some carbs ;)
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yes, i have to say about the "galeniko approach",sure thing it works.
but once you have crashed the calories, theres no going back.if one goes higher, the body gonna store the fat and water in an unbelievable fast rate.
sure one refeed when depleted will not hurt, but neither will it boost metabolism, theres only few way to keep a metabolism going, and going too low on cals is not 1 off them.
when already crahed,theres only 2 ways to go further, reduce even more, or be more actuve,which will be hard bc theres simply not much energy for much more than the training and zmbying through the day.
for me its no problem though i know whats to come and know ill hold through.
if one hasnt got the mental power, better to stick to a carbo cycling regiment.
its always relative, when im 8% bodyfat, ie very soft for my standards, i can go on with very little food,the feeling on having plenty energy is there, bc im used to much lower standards.
some other person could be feeling as drained at 12% as i do at 5%, simply bc hes used to being 15+%
and with the crashing down, but this goes for all bbuilding diets, must be very careful when increasing calories later on.
but i simply use the very easy "trick" of no eating unless hungry and thats it.
that way must never count calories.or schedule meals.
i know, you schedule small meals bc you know youll be hungry by the time youre "supposed"to eat again, this is very smart approach and has nothing to do with a dumbass who simple schedules 5 or 6 meals bc theres atherory out there saying so.
So here you finally admit there is metabolic adaption. Funny how you disagreed with me before.
Good to see you coming around and seeing the light.
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So here you finally admit there is metabolic adaption. Funny how you disagreed with me before.
Good to see you coming around and seeing the light.
lol, yes.
square galeniko away.
he has no idea what he is doing.
not the leanest guy on the board year around or anything.
not to mention over 200 lbs at that level of shred.
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lol, yes.
square galeniko away.
he has no idea what he is doing.
not the leanest guy on the board year around or anything.
not to mention over 200 lbs at that level of shred.
::)
He;s not. He also had health problems and recently admitted to changing the way he diets... he's reduced his protein and added more carbs.
He looks good for a gymrat but he's not even at the level of a C-level amateur bodybuilder.
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He;s not. He also had health problems and recently admitted to changing the way he diets... he's reduced his protein and added more carbs.
He looks good for a gymrat but he's not even at the level of a C-level amateur bodybuilder.
Will you ever look better than him?
lol, and btw I dont diet like him.
Carbs arent my enemy on a diet, just reduced.
but I dont talk shit on people that have done it, over and over again.
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Will you ever look better than him?
lol, and btw I dont diet like him.
Carbs arent my enemy on a diet, just reduced.
but I dont talk shit on people that have done it, over and over again.
Thats the thing... I don't want to look like him. He's nothing special to me. I've seen more muscle mass on highschool athletes bound for college.
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Thats the thing... I don't want to look like him. He's nothing special to me. I've seen more muscle mass on highschool athletes bound for college.
I can understand your train of thought.
I used to be a delusional natural just like you man.
I honestly would of looked at him and said "oh wow, a skinny dude who got some arms"
Now I know better.
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sometimes even fools myself after all those years,i could swear im fainting from hunger and then despite not having a meal, have a huge toiletry session later on.
"huge toiletry session"
^ lmao funny fucker ;D
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yawn
maybe you are just desperate to eat some carbs ;)
Dude, I must admit I have the meanest sweet tooth out there I could eat a huge cake in one go and have done so before many times, family size Tiramisu, Chocolate fudge....you name it I can swallow it (no homo)
But on the other hand I am willing to try something different. I started dieting on Sunday, my plan is getting as lean as poss for the summer. I was planning a refeed on Friday, but will give your rational a good shot and will literally follow this thing for two months and see how I fare and come back to you with results.
My only worry is muscle loss.
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Dude, I must admit I have the meanest sweet tooth out there I could eat a huge cake in one go and have done so before many times, family size Tiramisu, Chocolate fudge....you name it I can swallow it (no homo)
But on the other hand I am willing to try something different. I started dieting on Sunday, now planning on getting as lean as poss for the summer. I was planning a refeed on Friday, but will give your rational a good shot and will literally follow this thing for two months and see how I fare and come back to you with results.
My only worry is muscle loss.
Dont confuse depleted and smooth with muscle loss and you will be fine.
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Dont confuse depleted and smooth with muscle loss and you will be fine.
Good point
When I carb cycled I would wake up post refeed full and pumped and the gym sessions that day reminded me of this fact, I think going on this straight for a while will be a challenge.
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Good point
When I carb cycled I would wake up post refeed full and pumped and the gym sessions that day reminded me of this fact, I think going on this straight for a while will be a challenge.
During low carbs its easy for the mind to play tricks and you think muscle is burning off, it isnt, its just deflated.
And if you have a film of fat over it you look small and smooth, the refeeds blow the muscle up and although the fat is still there you look in better condition because of the fullness.
If you are supplementing correctly you shouldnt lose much muscle.
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High protein, low carb diet will shorten your lifespan
http://www.thesatellite.com.au/news/high-protein-low-carb-diet-will-shorten-your-life/2188990/ (http://www.thesatellite.com.au/news/high-protein-low-carb-diet-will-shorten-your-life/2188990/)
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skorpio.. you look fine with what you did. Why change it? If what you do gets you in the shape you want I say keep doing it.
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High protein, low carb diet will shorten your lifespan
http://www.thesatellite.com.au/news/high-protein-low-carb-diet-will-shorten-your-life/2188990/ (http://www.thesatellite.com.au/news/high-protein-low-carb-diet-will-shorten-your-life/2188990/)
Not looking both ways before crossing the road does as well, whats your point?
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skorpio.. you look fine with what you did. Why change it? If what you do gets you in the shape you want I say keep doing it.
Maybe he wants to look better, some people are not happy with mediocrity.
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During low carbs its easy for the mind to play tricks and you think muscle is burning off, it isnt, its just deflated.
And if you have a film of fat over it you look small and smooth, the refeeds blow the muscle up and although the fat is still there you look in better condition because of the fullness.
If you are supplementing correctly you shouldnt lose much muscle.
One shot of sust one shot of eq per week
60mg Anavar
Shakes and chciken and fish mostly with vegetables i.e. salads, cucumber,...etc.
Switching the EQ for Masteron later and dropping the var. If not happy with size I will bring in the Tren, but ideally i like to avoid that compound.
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skorpio.. you look fine with what you did. Why change it? If what you do gets you in the shape you want I say keep doing it.
I want to take it a little further this time, get a 100% tight mid section not just front abs and obliques, christmas tree on lower back sort of conditionning.
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Maybe he wants to look better, some people are not happy with mediocrity.
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He already looks excellent
are you suggesting I should be embarrassed with 3 main draw loses? I won many matches and a few tournaments even both singles and doubles in those times. I never claimed I was Nadal but stated many times I played futures and loved it. I also played point guard for 2 seasons for my local basketball team in the second division. Should I be ashamed "sososue"? I fought in 3 national kyokushin tournaments and a handful of other cups.. should I be ashamed I was not top 10 in the world? I played 5.0 level squash and did quite well in US.. should I hide that too? I competed in bodybuilding .. should I be ashamed?
let me ask you, what have YOU done worth sharing? not judging but asking..
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High protein, low carb diet will shorten your lifespan
http://www.thesatellite.com.au/news/high-protein-low-carb-diet-will-shorten-your-life/2188990/ (http://www.thesatellite.com.au/news/high-protein-low-carb-diet-will-shorten-your-life/2188990/)
compared to who?
to the average joe who eats or drinks 200gramms sugar every day and slowly gets fatter and fatter?
theres studies which claim the less one eats overall the longer they gonna live.
studies are always bit biased
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Since the glycogen stores in the liver and muscles are depleted, carbohydrates go straight to refilling them, instead of being added to the body's fat stores, this occurs when there's excess. Hence on refeed day if one does not over eat and maintain a medium portion of carbs this will prevent going too flat if the goal is to maintain muscle mass. I never notice fat gain when I refeed, infact the next morning I feel solid and muscles feel full yet the skin is tight, a refeed boosts metabolism as well which slows right down with a deficit of calories and energy sources for 5 days.
What people fail to understand is that we're all different, in a metabolic way as well as a psychological way. A blanket fits all type of dieting is not the answer
BTW my protocol is 5/6 days very low and one to two days carb refeed. At the beginning I only have one carb refeed.
Then again my goal is usually getting solid abs for a holiday, not a 4% bf....cos going from arounf 7/8% to 4% is a totally different game.
yes, when youre depleted, you can easy easy even drink pure sugar and will not get fat.
its impossible,tthats the one day where one can seemingly eat much more calories, but its realy just a tank refilling,metaphoricaly speaking.
the fatloss will come to a halt for as long the bloodsugar is elevated and for as long theres "too" much serum insulin.
as soon glucagon takes over again, fatloss restarts, no mater how full the glycogen stores are,they never ever get entirely depleted anyway, or we would be plain dead ;D
the bad thing is the bloodsugar crash will be terrible after sugar only.
the other bad thing is, carb only up is no problem but when you add fat to those refill meals, that fat will be stored, a trained can get away with it if hes depleted,bc the body can use a bit for other purpose and can actualy store fat IN the muscle calls.
this is precisely how it works.the more time glucagon dominates over insulin,the more fatloss.
in other words, bit carbs, even with every meal wont stop ppl from getting shredded if the insulin in bllod doesnt dominate all the time.
brings us back to the dont eat when not hungry.
and for the very last bits of fats, measures will have to be extreme or the results will be very slow.
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about lifespan .. who in the world would want to prolong the misery of this life? do you see a happy place in this world?
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yes, when youre depleted, you can easy easy even drink pure sugar and will not get fat.
its impossible,tthats the one day where one can seemingly eat much more calories, but its realy just a tank refilling,metaphoricaly speaking.
the fatloss will come to a halt for as long the bloodsugar is elevated and for as long theres "too" much serum insulin.
as soon glucagon takes over again, fatloss restarts, no mater how full the glycogen stores are,they never ever get entirely depleted anyway, or we would be plain dead ;D
the bad thing is the bloodsugar crash will be terrible after sugar only.
the other bad thing is, carb only up is no problem but when you add fat to those refill meals, that fat will be stored, a trained can get away with it if hes depleted,bc the body can use a bit for other purpose and can actualy store fat IN the muscle calls.
this is precisely how it works.the more time glucagon dominates over insulin,the more fatloss.
in other words, bit carbs, even with every meal wont stop ppl from getting shredded if the insulin in bllod doesnt dominate all the time.
brings us back to the dont eat when not hungry.
and for the very last bits of fats, measures will have to be extreme or the results will be very slow.
Ok, thanks for sharing Gal, btw im still sniggering at the toiletry session lol
Im eating chicken and lettuce as we speak for lunch, I had an ommlette for breakfast and a small amount of strawberries to chew on, a shake in between earlier. That's pretty much what I eat all day, I eat a bit some veggies i.e. broccoli and green beans...etc in the evening otherwise I wake up hungrier than a somalian pirate.
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So here you finally admit there is metabolic adaption. Funny how you disagreed with me before.
Good to see you coming around and seeing the light.
never said there is none.
you mst read more carefully.
i said as long as has energy to move around the metabloism will keep running at good pace.
with every diet the metablism tries to adapt further down.
last time i checked,i am the one contest ready(give or take 1-2weeks) year in year out, so i have to know.
i only said theres no such thing as metablic damage.adaption can and will happen, its even explained in the book how to fight that issue.
as for the size, all i can say you are very naive.
get down to contest shape,use all steroids you can find, and see whats left.
then see how long itll take you to even get to my little bit of size i have.observe naby mike doing his 300gr carb diet and being still 30lbs out of my shape and hes already smaller.would have sworn hed be bigger than me before the diet.
or cswoe, seen what left of him?
all that aside, size is my last concern.i cant say more than try for yourself.if thats your pic, youll lok like dj ace180 when shredded.or even smaller.not joking
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Ok, thanks for sharing Gal, btw im still sniggering at the toiletry session lol
Im eating chicken and lettuce as we speak for lunch, I had an ommlette for breakfast and a small amount of strawberries to chew on, a shake in between earlier. That's pretty much what I eat all day, I eat a bit some veggies i.e. broccoli and green beans...etc in the evening otherwise I wake up hungrier than a somalian pirate.
yes the getting to bed hungry and being able to sleep is the kings disciplne.
if can pull that off, its great, if not, dont worry about having a small meal even right before bedtime
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skorpio.. you look fine with what you did. Why change it? If what you do gets you in the shape you want I say keep doing it.
Sev,
The front as long that you have good sperated pecs and tight skin on your front abs the rest is illusion, back wise I have decent amoutn of mass on it, looking to bring out the detail and I think my waist can go even smaller making a bigger V tape impression.
(http://s30.postimg.org/ounuyprvl/264157_2162376697852_6297768_n.jpg)
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yes the getting to bed hungry and being able to sleep is the kings disciplne.
if can pull that off, its great, if not, dont worry about having a small meal even right before bedtime
Yes. I find it good to fall asleep starving from not eating for several hours, sleep 8 then magically wake up not hungry then eat after about 4 hrs of waking. Around 24hrs and the fat drops nicely.
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yes the getting to bed hungry and being able to sleep is the kings disciplne.
if can pull that off, its great, if not, dont worry about having a small meal even right before bedtime
I eat the veggies with a protein i.e. chicken or so at around 9pm and usually go bed midnight. before bed I just drink a shake.
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about lifespan .. who in the world would want to prolong the misery of this life? do you see a happy place in this world?
I can link you to a few sites if you want a way out?
I competed in bodybuilding .. should I be ashamed?
No you didnt.
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Sev,
The front as long that you have good sperated pecs and tight skin on your front abs the rest is illusion, back wise I have decent amoutn of mass on it, looking to bring out the detail and I think my waist can go even smaller making a bigger V tape impression.
(http://s30.postimg.org/ounuyprvl/264157_2162376697852_6297768_n.jpg)
you are quite lean already .. there is also a question you should ask yourself if you can maintain that level. Maybe XFactor can chime in. He tried to stay at 6-7% for a while and did not find it particulary enjoyable.. you eat only functional
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you are quite lean already .. there is also a question you should ask yourself if you can maintain that level. Maybe XFactor can chime in. He tried to stay at 6-7% for a while and did not find it particulary enjoyable.. you eat only functional
I don't think I am physically capable of eating like Ive done this week all year round, Galeniko is from another planet of hardcore, but half a year may be, then bulk up....bluking up is a lot fun lol. But I am following what you two advocate to the dot, I'll post pics in a few months with my results.
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I don't think I am physically capable of eating like Ive done this week all year round, Galeniko is from another planet of hardcore, but half a year may be, then bulk up....bluking up is a lot fun lol. But I am following what you two advocate to the dot, I'll post pics in a few months with my results.
galeniko understand very well how things work from experience...not studies.. it's the best way
I don't know how he manages to stay that lean for so long.. maybe I am more sensitive. I always had a hard time tolerating anabolics sides and how they make me feel .. I function great on an organic diet balanced and lifting with no roids.. can look decent but not bodybuilding impressive.
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galeniko understand very well how things work from experience...not studies.. it's the best way
I don't know how he manages to stay that lean for so long.. maybe I am more sensitive. I always had a hard time tolerating anabolics sides and how they make me feel .. I function great on an organic diet balanced and lifting with no roids.. can look decent but not bodybuilding impressive.
WHERE'S your happy medium, interms body weight/bf/and drug intake if that's what ur doing again.and sustaining,last time you got in shape and torn Achilles happened.if it wasn't for injury you would have stayed same no?do you follow same eating plan even if your build is not at peak like before/after pics?
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about lifespan .. who in the world would want to prolong the misery of this life? do you see a happy place in this world?
leave the eastern block bro.
shitty outlook man, I hope youre not serious.
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leave the eastern block bro.
shitty outlook man, I hope youre not serious.
I am. Physical life means struggle to find balance, misery and some more struggle and hardship. This IS it's very nature. Our super-consciouness is paradise, bliss and eternal equilibrium. Why would I want to live as much as possible when in fact THIS is death and death of the body means resurrection in Spirit?
We came to taste and we're being eaten. We came to play and we're being played. We came to enjoy and we are joyless.
The bee came to sip honey and it got stuck and died. We are the bee.
We come into these lives over and over again to learn our true nature. To realize our Self. All else is mere froth.
We spend out time desperate to gather and accumulate when the true lesson is renunciation of anyone and everything. So we are bound by the chains of our own preconceived ideas. Prisoners in our own minds, controlled and exploited. We strive to be free... but we ARE free. We just did not realize it yet.
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I am. Physical life means struggle to find balance, misery and some more struggle and hardship. This IS it's very nature. Our super-consciouness is paradise, bliss and eternal equilibrium. Why would I want to live as much as possible when in fact THIS is death and death of the body means resurrection in Spirit?
We came to taste and we're being eaten. We came to play and we're being played. We came to enjoy and we are joyless.
The bee came to sip honey and it got stuck and died. We are the bee.
We come into this lives over and over again to learn our true nature. To realize our Self. All else is mere froth.
We spend out time desperate to gather and accumulate when the true lesson is renunciation of anyone and everything. So we are bound by the chains of our own preconceived ideas. Prisoners in our own minds, controlled and exploited. We strive to be free... but we ARE free. We just did not realize it yet.
Carb meal in order.
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I am. Physical life means struggle to find balance, misery and some more struggle and hardship. This IS it's very nature. Our super-consciouness is paradise, bliss and eternal equilibrium. Why would I want to live as much as possible when in fact THIS is death and death of the body means resurrection in Spirit?
We came to taste and we're being eaten. We came to play and we're being played. We came to enjoy and we are joyless.
The bee came to sip honey and it got stuck and died. We are the bee.
We come into these lives over and over again to learn our true nature. To realize our Self. All else is mere froth.
We spend out time desperate to gather and accumulate when the true lesson is renunciation of anyone and everything. So we are bound by the chains of our own preconceived ideas. Prisoners in our own minds, controlled and exploited. We strive to be free... but we ARE free. We just did not realize it yet.
you have watched too much fight club.
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I can get to single-digit body-fat levels in 10-12 weeks max by eating ultra low carb with a re-feed of complex carbs every 5th day.
Whatever you do, do not do HIIT on low carb, you will kiss you muscle away, and your metabolism will nosedive. Keep the cardio low-intensity if doing any cardio while glycogen levels are depleted.
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I can get to single body-fat levels in 10-12 weeks max by eating ultra low carb with a re-feed of complex carbs every 5th day.
Whatever you do, do not do HIIT on low carb, you will kiss you muscle away, and your metabolism will nosedive. Keep the cardio low-intensity if doing any cardio while glycogen levels are depleted.
very true.
cardio is an afterthought if you lift hard and diet just as hard.
the exeption would be if the cardio is performed fasted, wouldnt tell a natural to do that though.
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I am. Physical life means struggle to find balance, misery and some more struggle and hardship. This IS it's very nature. Our super-consciouness is paradise, bliss and eternal equilibrium. Why would I want to live as much as possible when in fact THIS is death and death of the body means resurrection in Spirit?
We came to taste and we're being eaten. We came to play and we're being played. We came to enjoy and we are joyless.
The bee came to sip honey and it got stuck and died. We are the bee.
We come into these lives over and over again to learn our true nature. To realize our Self. All else is mere froth.
We spend out time desperate to gather and accumulate when the true lesson is renunciation of anyone and everything. So we are bound by the chains of our own preconceived ideas. Prisoners in our own minds, controlled and exploited. We strive to be free... but we ARE free. We just did not realize it yet.
dead by, next week.
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I can get to single-digit body-fat levels in 10-12 weeks max by eating ultra low carb with a re-feed of complex carbs every 5th day.
Whatever you do, do not do HIIT on low carb, you will kiss you muscle away, and your metabolism will nosedive. Keep the cardio low-intensity if doing any cardio while glycogen levels are depleted.
What's a good carb amount to shed fat but not crash metabolism if a person prefers HIIT?
Something between 100 to 200 grams and run some sort of caloric deficit?
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What's a good carb amount to shed fat but not crash metabolism if a person prefers HIIT?
Something between 100 to 200 grams and run some sort of caloric deficit?
I remain functional at less than 130 a day.
130 a day is still restricted carbs, but I stay fuller and dont hate working out.
fat loss isnt as quick though.
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What's a good carb amount to shed fat but not crash metabolism if a person prefers HIIT?
Something between 100 to 200 grams and run some sort of caloric deficit?
There is no set amount, as it varies with each individual, their metabolism, and the type, duration, and intensity of HIIT performed. You're likely looking at a minimum of 100gms of pre-workout carbohydrate, but you need to experiment with it and find out what amount of carbohydrate works for you, that allows you to burn body fat without sacrificing muscle. Remember, HIIT is anaerobic, and burns glucose for fuel, as apposed to aerobic which burns primarily fat for fuel. If you are doing HIIT with your liver and muscles depleted of glucose, your body will convert muscle to glucose via gluconeogenesis, and end result is not pretty. I've personally seen far too many people over the last few years absolutely ruin their metabolisms and physiques by performing high-intensity programs such as Insanity, Asylum, Tabata, Intervals, and even P90x, while following ultra-low carb diets. Never, never never never do these types of programs on an ultra-low carb diet.