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Title: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Skorp1o on March 11, 2014, 10:17:39 AM
All cells, including cancer cells, are fueled by glucose. But if you deprive them of glucose, they switch to the alternate fuel, ketone bodies. Except cancer cells. A defect prevents them from making the switch to using ketone bodies as fuel and therefore, cancer cells can only survive on glucose. All other cells can use either glucose or ketone bodies


Haven't had carbs in two weeks  8)

This just reinforces the legendary status of Cleanest Natural and his take on the continuous Keto diet with no refeed.

Team Sev...all the way
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: BigCyp on March 11, 2014, 10:20:57 AM
My Nan had cancer, but after a regimen of looking at Sev's transformation pics for 6 hours a day, and only eating salmon sashimi with grated horseradish and locally sourced clementines she died
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: the trainer on March 11, 2014, 10:23:25 AM
All cells, including cancer cells, are fueled by glucose. But if you deprive them of glucose, they switch to the alternate fuel, ketone bodies. Except cancer cells. A defect prevents them from making the switch to using ketone bodies as fuel and therefore, cancer cells can only survive on glucose. All other cells can use either glucose or ketone bodies


Haven't had carbs in two weeks  8)

This just reinforces the legendary status of Cleanest Natural and his take on the continuous Keto diet with no refeed.

Team Sev...all the way

No carbs you look like an aids patient in your clothes, I eat my clean carbs and i am buffed and I will fuck your girl.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 11, 2014, 10:26:16 AM
You'll find out for yourself why I do what I do. If you have unlimited budget for food, I suggest you eat fillet mignon, raw salmon and raw tuna and shrimp for protein. I prefer asparagus and broccoli or cauliflower for greens.

For fats, just olive oil, avocado and almonds ..
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Skorp1o on March 11, 2014, 10:27:28 AM
No carbs you look like an aids patient in your clothes, I eat my clean carbs and i am buffed and I will fuck your girl.

If you don't mind splattering your pipi in my lingering cock juice left inside  ;D
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Skorp1o on March 11, 2014, 10:28:30 AM
You'll find out for yourself why I do what I do. If you have unlimited budget for food, I suggest you eat fillet mignon, raw salmon and raw tuna and shrimp for protein. I prefer asparagus and broccoli or cauliflower for greens.

For fats, just olive oil, avocado and almonds ..

Will do Sev....I buy my food from Ocado online like a snob, so no problem getting hold of those.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 11, 2014, 10:29:15 AM
Will do Sev....I buy my food from Ocado online like a snob, so no problem getting hold of those.
check your PM ..
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Papper on March 12, 2014, 01:40:47 AM
Ok according to getbig I just need to find a ketogenic, no heme-iron, alkaline, non-dairy, medium to high protein, non-GMO, non processed, low carb diet.

What's left to eat?
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: visualizeperfection on March 12, 2014, 02:05:33 AM
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Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Skorp1o on March 12, 2014, 02:11:19 AM
Ok according to getbig I just need to find a ketogenic, no heme-iron, alkaline, non-dairy, medium to high protein, non-GMO, non processed, low carb diet.

What's left to eat?

Ketogenic=Don't eat direct carbs
Alkaline=Eat vegs
Medium to high protein=Eat protein
non-GMO=eat organic
non-processed=eat non processed
no homo-iron= if you're a homo you're a homo.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: calfzilla on March 12, 2014, 02:14:28 AM
Has anyone with cancer successfully done this?
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: TrueGrit on March 12, 2014, 02:17:55 AM
Has anyone with cancer successfully done this?

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/healthscience/2012/december/starving-cancer-ketogenic-diet-a-key-to-recovery/
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: smoothasf on March 12, 2014, 03:22:56 AM
High fat/meat diets cause your gut to be acidic which is far more dangerous than sugar.  Cancer cannot survive in a alkaline environment, fact.  Natural sugars are the best energy for out bodies it's retarded not to eat them.  Something like 20-30% of cancer patients would get better with NO intervention,  the body wants to heal and will if fed right.  We are disigned that way. Many many people have cured there own cancer with diet.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: sososue on March 12, 2014, 03:28:38 AM
High fat/meat diets cause your gut to be acidic which is far more dangerous than sugar.  Cancer cannot survive in a alkaline environment, fact.  Natural sugars are the best energy for out bodies it's retarded not to eat them.  Something like 20-30% of cancer patients would get better with NO intervention,  the body wants to heal and will if fed right.  We are disigned that way. Many many people have cured there own cancer with diet.

Link?
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: calfzilla on March 12, 2014, 03:29:22 AM
High fat/meat diets cause your gut to be acidic which is far more dangerous than sugar.  Cancer cannot survive in a alkaline environment, fact.  Natural sugars are the best energy for out bodies it's retarded not to eat them.  Something like 20-30% of cancer patients would get better with NO intervention,  the body wants to heal and will if fed right.  We are disigned that way. Many many people have cured there own cancer with diet.

Confusing post of peace. Which diet are you advocating for?
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: smoothasf on March 12, 2014, 03:47:43 AM
80% green vegetables, natural sugars from fruit.  It's ok to be full of glucose if your alkaline.
Search your self lazy bastard, there are countless books and scientists who are telling you this.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Skorp1o on March 12, 2014, 03:58:31 AM
80% green vegetables, natural sugars from fruit.  It's ok to be full of glucose if your alkaline.
Search your self lazy bastard, there are countless books and scientists who are telling you this.

But the post is about cancer feeding off carbs in all types of forms, whether be it from an organic spud or a mango tree....glucose will raise sugar levels and provide a source for Cancer...keto's are no use to cancerous cells but the body can use it as energy source.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: affeman on March 12, 2014, 04:12:01 AM
You'll find out for yourself why I do what I do. If you have unlimited budget for food, I suggest you eat fillet mignon, raw salmon and raw tuna and shrimp for protein. I prefer asparagus and broccoli or cauliflower for greens.

For fats, just olive oil, avocado and almonds ..

Don't you ever crave smth sweet?
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: smoothasf on March 12, 2014, 04:15:15 AM
What I'm saying is you can take away the food for cancer by starving your self of foods with sugar and slow it down OR eat a diet rich in chlorophyll and cancer won't form at all, then you won't have to worry if that mango will accelerate your cancer cells as you won't have any.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 12, 2014, 04:24:35 AM
The real culprit in cancer is withheld resentment. Then the RNA replicates the mind-pattern translating it into physical DNA. When working on the mind-pattern, diet is paramount. I have worked with all types of clients with cancer, from incipient phases to the last hundred meters. 
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Simple Simon on March 12, 2014, 05:24:39 AM
What I'm saying is you can take away the food for cancer by starving your self of foods with sugar and slow it down OR eat a diet rich in chlorophyll and cancer won't form at all, then you won't have to worry if that mango will accelerate your cancer cells as you won't have any.
So bearing in mind if you die from nothing else, cancer always gets you in the end.
So are you suggesting this diet can make someone live forever?

Im with Sososue.
I want you to link to a source where someone has scientifically proved that diet can cure cancer.

Off you go now, Oh, and telling people hearsay stories about books existing isnt evidence my friend.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Dokey111 on March 12, 2014, 05:42:42 AM
if you starve cancer cells of sugar they will survive just fine on glutamine
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 12, 2014, 05:56:17 AM
Don't you ever crave smth sweet?
"crave"..word used by chubby women who cannot help themselves
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: OneMoreRep on March 12, 2014, 06:02:38 AM
There was recently a hoax out on the internet stating that Johns Hopkins Medical School published an article suggesting that a Ketogenic diet would be one of the viable solutions to stopping the progression of cancer. Later, it was revealed to be a fake by the Medical School.

I am not quite sure about whether or not there are "enough" peer-reviewed studies out there examining the potential effects of adhering to a ketogenic diet in order to stop the progression and/or even eliminate cancer. I would be curious to see what the results of that type of research would reveal, as we all know that cancer cells have a substantially larger amount of glucose receptors than the average cells in our body. I would also be curious to see whether or not gluconeogenesis would kick in and damper the body's ability to truly stay in ketosis.

Here are a few articles & abstracts worth reading from pubmed:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746332/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746332/)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23837760 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23837760)

This abstract below states that in a preliminary study with a small sample group, "The extent of ketosis, but not calorie deficit or weight loss, correlated with stable disease or partial remission (of cancer)..."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22840388 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22840388)

Again, I think this is very interesting and should be investigated further, but I am not quite sure if a true consensus is out on this from the medical community.

"1"
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: crownshep on March 12, 2014, 06:06:19 AM
Very similar to what i`m reading at the moment in the book Wheat Belly by Dr William Davis.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: affeman on March 12, 2014, 06:32:32 AM
You guys are clueless. That's the only way to g(r)ow

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Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 12, 2014, 07:10:03 AM
Branch don't do keto. He should. He should'a have done keto and use constant tension and moderate weights. His body would have liked it a lot more.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: calfzilla on March 12, 2014, 07:13:18 AM
Branch don't do keto. He should. He should'a have done keto and use constant tension and moderate weights. His body would have liked it a lot more.

I have trouble staying on keto more than two months but it is the one diet with the most positive side effects other than the weight loss. Improved concentration, better boners, better sleep-wake up feeling rested, skin clears up.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Tito24 on March 12, 2014, 07:23:01 AM
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Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: dustin on March 12, 2014, 07:24:47 AM
Has anyone with cancer successfully done this?

It's not something that's really easy to gauge. It's not like cutting dairy out of your diet and seeing whether subcutaneous bloat is reduced or not. My stepdad's been doing really good with his cancer battle and is eating a lot less overall. Because it's kidney cancer he's got to be careful with his dietary choices, but carbs are pretty low and brought down how overall caloric intake. He still works in a busy warehouse (shipping and receiving) so he's found just the right amount of physical activity to still work full time and stay physically and mentally fit.

I think from that I've seen that a lower caloric intake, primarily from reduced carbs, is a good thing. Glucose disposal agents like metformin have been looking good when it comes to breast cancer but I haven't seen it used in other cancers. And the studies are very few and far between. My stepdad's oncologist doesn't want to screw with anything right now as he's responding well to his treatment. But they said they could prescribe it if things go downhill as there's only 1 other cancer drug available for his cancer. I hope they open up more trials and conduct more studies. It seems like they're digging in the right direction.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Skorp1o on March 12, 2014, 07:37:36 AM
You guys are clueless. That's the only way to g(r)ow tumours


Fixed  ;D
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Wolfox on March 12, 2014, 01:37:22 PM
Its funny how someone like Sev/ cleanest natural can tout his healthy anti-cancer diet while conveniently forgetting that he takes crazy amounts of AAS.

But then again we are dealing with a nutcase who believes in lizard people.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 12, 2014, 01:41:24 PM
I have trouble staying on keto more than two months but it is the one diet with the most positive side effects other than the weight loss. Improved concentration, better boners, better sleep-wake up feeling rested, skin clears up.
Smart man. I use a keto diet to detox clients and also another version for bodybuilding purposes. It has a detoxifying effect on the human body.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 12, 2014, 01:43:13 PM
Its funny how someone like Sev/ cleanest natural can tout his healthy anti-cancer diet while conveniently forgetting that he takes crazy amounts of AAS.

But then again we are dealing with a nutcase who believes in lizard people.
Great Souls encounter violent opposition from their lesser minded keen.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Simple Simon on March 12, 2014, 01:46:45 PM
Great Souls encounter violent opposition from their lesser minded keen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Wolfox on March 12, 2014, 01:47:17 PM
Poor Sev

Cognitive dissonance not even once.

Mark of a true nutter.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: visualizeperfection on March 12, 2014, 01:58:52 PM
Poor Sev

Cognitive dissonance not even once.

Mark of a true nutter.

 ;D
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 12, 2014, 02:07:51 PM
Narcissism is paramount to success in bodybuilding. I do find it ironic that this guy calls me a narcissist  ;D
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Simple Simon on March 12, 2014, 02:23:01 PM
Narcissism is paramount to success in bodybuilding. I do find it ironic that this guy calls me a narcissist  ;D
Im sure he will be pleased to know you have that image saved on your hard drive.   ;D
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: visualizeperfection on March 12, 2014, 02:24:52 PM
Im sure he will be pleased to know you have that image saved on your hard drive.   ;D
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: Wolfox on March 12, 2014, 02:31:44 PM
Narcissism is paramount to success in bodybuilding. I do find it ironic that this guy calls me a narcissist  ;D

You could double your already insane dosages from 200mg of dbol to 400mg of dbol daily and never ever in your life be able to reach Jeffs build.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: falco on March 13, 2014, 08:47:09 AM
Alkalin diets might help alot, Keto it's new to me.
Title: Re: Ketogenic Diet Kills Cancer
Post by: dustin on March 13, 2014, 08:49:21 AM
Alkalin diets might help alot, Keto it's new to me.

They've found that alkaline diets are usually healthier, but people extrapolated the data from those studies wrong. It's not going to cure cancer. It's healthy and a step in the right direction, but people need to stop touting it as a cure.