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Lee Haney: 1991 IFBB Mr. Olympia
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Gary Strydom: 1991 World Bodybuilding Federation (WBF) Champion
You make the call!
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As much of a Haney fan that I am, I have to tip my hat to Strydom on this one. "Top Hat and Cane, Talk about stepping out for a night on the town.. oh my goodness!"
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As much of a Haney fan that I am, I have to tip my hat to Strydom on this one. "Top Hat and Cane, Talk about stepping out for a night on the town.. oh my goodness!"
That's the WBF BodyStars edit, aired 1 week before the 1992 WBF championship. McMahon's voice is dubbed over that of Greg Lewis and Tom Platz. Plus, as you can see, that's only about half his routine. The rest is from 4:22 onward (on mine).
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same with who would win with Nasser and Dorian..
contest over when they turn around. even moreso for Lee against gary
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same with who would win with Nasser and Dorian..
contest over when they turn around. even moreso for Lee against gary
Depends on who's judging. Former Mr. Universe, Dave Draper and former Mr. O, Chris Dickerson were on the WBF's judging panel.
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Haney by a mile Strydom NEVER had a good back.
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Haney by a mile Strydom NEVER had a good back.
Mike Christian did and Strydom beat him.
Plus, I'd argue that Strydom has Haney on legs.
Back and biceps, Haney hands down.
Triceps go to Strydom.
They're dead even on chest.
Shoulders? I don't know!! Flip a coin.
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Mike Christian did and Strydom beat him.
Plus, I'd argue that Strydom has Haney on legs.
Back and biceps, Haney hands down.
Triceps go to Strydom.
They're dead even on chest.
Shoulders? I don't know!! Flip a coin.
Yeah, but when it comes to hair Haney takes the Sandow
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Yeah, but when it comes to hair Haney takes the Sandow
To get a better look at Christian's back, check my WBF championship thread with the video (Christian's routine starts at 29:26).
I'll bump it.
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Strydom had no bak in 1988 and not much of a back by 1991. Btw, Christian beat Gary 3:2 in the 1989 Grand Prix tour. By the WBF days Christian wasn't even trying.
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Strydom had no bak in 1988 and not much of a back by 1991. Btw, Christian beat Gary 3:2 in the 1989 Grand Prix tour. By the WBF days Christian wasn't even trying.
Christian was trying; he just didn't succeed in the WBF. Check the posedown (1:45:00 on my WBF championship thread).
There are other bodyparts to consider, such as legs where Strydom had Christian beat handily. I'd give the edge on legs to him over Haney, too.
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Haney
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Christian was trying; he just didn't succeed in the WBF. Check the posedown (1:45:00 on my WBF championship thread).
There are other bodyparts to consider, such as legs where Strydom had Christian beat handily. I'd give the edge on legs to him over Haney, too.
christian was using his WBF salary for crack.
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haney by a mile.
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christian was using his WBF salary for crack.
That might explain why he looked like a crackhead during the 1992 WBF Championship.
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Strydom as such a great qualify to his muscles and skin
Perfect physique, i dońt mind the 1992 back
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Strydom as such a great qualify to his muscles and skin
Perfect physique, i dońt mind the 1992 back
That's from 1991. In 1992, he was about 15 pounds smaller.
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haney by a mile.
Anybody who saw Haney live and up close would know this.
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Lee Haney: 1991 IFBB Mr. Olympia
vs.
Gary Strydom (1991 World Bodybuilding Federation Champion)
You make the call!
So, you mean that there is no reason why they give mr. Olympia 8 times for Haney, and not even once to Strydom? There is simple reason for that: those were bodybuilding contest, and Strydom wasn't good enough, because his back was like a back of the little girl. In fact his chest were wider than his back, so what about the symmetry and balance, which make points to bodybuilder in the contest? Instead of getting frustrated and chancing to WBFC, he should have been training width to his back. You little boys and girls should understand that they aren't judging these guys by he photos and shitty videos, but live, and they see the faults in structure, in posing, in balance etc. very clearly. Strydom stays in history of the sport to being one of the stupidest bodybuilders, because guys like Wolf has proved that you can make wonders even with shitty back.
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Imagine the 1991 Olympia line-up if the WBF didn't exist:
Lee Haney, Gary Strydom, Mike Christian, Dorian Yates, Vince Taylor
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Strydom had no bak in 1988 and not much of a back by 1991. Btw, Christian beat Gary 3:2 in the 1989 Grand Prix tour. By the WBF days Christian wasn't even trying.
That back is Peter Putnumesque
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So, you mean that there is no reason why they give mr. Olympia 8 times for Haney, and not even once to Strydom? There is simple reason for that: those were bodybuilding contest, and Strydom wasn't good enough, because his back was like a back of the little girl. In fact his chest were wider than his back, so what about the symmetry and balance, which make points to bodybuilder in the contest? Instead of getting frustrated and chancing to WBFC, he should have been training width to his back. You little boys and girls should understand that they aren't judging these guys by he photos and shitty videos, but live, and they see the faults in structure, in posing, in balance etc. very clearly. Strydom stays in history of the sport to being one of the stupidest bodybuilders, because guys like Wolf has proved that you can make wonders even with shitty back.
So going to another federation, becoming the first guy to make $100K for winning a pro bodybuilding show, signing arguably the most lucrative contracts in history (which forced Weider to pony up more cash to keep his bodybuilders), and making a small fortune is your idea of "stupid"?
Strydom entered the Olympia once and placed top 5. But, he looked nowhere near as good as he did in 1991. It's simply a matchup I would have liked to have seen. I know how shows are judged; but Haney and Strydom never went head up, with each looking as they did that year.
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Strydom never had a great back, but the issues in the 88 comparison pic are probably worse than normal. IIRC, that was the year he did a massive weight loss three weeks prior to the Olympia, becasue he lost the Chicago Pro to Jon Hnatyshack (sp?) due to condition.
He then over dieted, etc and lost a lot of bulk.
I still don't think WBF Stydom wins, but it would be a bit closer.
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Two of my favorites. I would wake up early in the morning to watch Lee Haneys program on espn.
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Imagine the 1991 Olympia line-up if the WBF didn't exist:
Lee Haney, Gary Strydom, Mike Christian, Dorian Yates, Vince Taylor
Don't forget Berry DeMey, Jim Quinn and Eddie Robinson
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Strydom had no bak in 1988 and not much of a back by 1991. Btw, Christian beat Gary 3:2 in the 1989 Grand Prix tour. By the WBF days Christian wasn't even trying.
That back is Peter Putnumesque
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Don't forget Berry DeMey, Jim Quinn and Eddie Robinson
eddie could have done well maybe a n.o.c win somewhere there he won 90 niagra falls show and was doing well till the money called...seemed like a good guy..
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That back is Peter Putnumesque
Ha ha yes, Haney crushing Gary on the back.
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Claiming Strydom would have a chance against Haney in this comparison is completely retarded
As soon as Strydom lifts his arms up for a fdb or turns to show his back Haneys superiority should become obvious even to people who aren't analyzing the physiques of oiled up men in thongs on a daily bases
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Haney crushes Strydom on Back
But...
Strydom crushes Haney on Legs
But...
Haney wins
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Strydom never had a great back, but the issues in the 88 comparison pic are probably worse than normal. IIRC, that was the year he did a massive weight loss three weeks prior to the Olympia, becasue he lost the Chicago Pro to Jon Hnatyshack (sp?) due to condition.
He then over dieted, etc and lost a lot of bulk.
I still don't think WBF Stydom wins, but it would be a bit closer.
"Over dieting" ...yeah that must have been it. It's never a drug problem, it's always a "diet" problem....
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"Over dieting" ...yeah that must have been it. It's never a drug problem, it's always a "diet" problem....
Same thing - lost too much weight. I assume everyone here knows how.
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Strydom no back = Haney!
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Haney wins whilst Strydom can match him and maybe better him slightly in some shots, there is no comparison from behind and Strydom is to narrow for a large guy in comparison with the very best guys in his era, arguments could be made that he would have struggled to beat a lot of guys in the early 90s thats why he didn't compete, same as nasser with a back he could have been anything, but he didn't have one and he got the placings he deserved same as.nasser
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..then they turned around.
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even dorian's version of 91 who was beaten by hanney is better than gary at his best..
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..then they turned around.
it's not only that but even from the front,.. year gary was great but hanney was clearly better in the FDB and FLS..
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eddie could have done well maybe a n.o.c win somewhere there he won 90 niagra falls show and was doing well till the money called...seemed like a good guy..
At $200,000 a year, Eddie answered. But, can you blame him? He even stayed an extra two years to endorse ICOPRO supplements after the WBF folded.
He even got to shoot some ninjas in the process.
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Haney crushes Strydom on Back
But...
Strydom crushes Haney on Legs
But...
Haney wins
They both look great in the most muscular.
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No way is Strydom 260+ in that video and no way would he have placed in the top 6 at the 1991 Olympia in that condition. The WBF was a circus that turned bodybuilders into clowns. Thank god it folded when it did.
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At $200,000 a year, Eddie answered. But, can you blame him? He even stayed an extra two years to endorse ICOPRO supplements after the WBF folded.
He even got to shoot some ninjas in the process.
yeah i know...slogan 'icopro,you gotta want it...vince really just turned it into a wrestling over the top skit,,1st show at least wasn't prop laden as 2nd one,,how did they convince mike quinn to do that act?but in real life he was like that persona so they must of just said act as u would and he said'gotta straight jacket?
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'91 haney is one of the greatest showings ever.
Haney had the perfect balance, tons of muscle in the right places, but still looked like he could walk and play sports and function like a normal human being
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'91 haney is one of the greatest showings ever.
Haney had the perfect balance, tons of muscle in the right places, but still looked like he could walk and play sports and function like a normal human being
damn straight...legs were superb too..
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Strydom looked terrific in the front and side "crunch" shots. Great delts, quads, abs and pecs. Problem is as soon as you turned them around, or open him up- double biceps, lat spreads- he looks pretty medlocre. Bigger overall, but most of that weight was in the legs. Haney destroys him on 5 mandatories. Strydom wins ab/thigh and side chest tied. Haney easily.
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(http://i.imgur.com/GZUKvFD.gif)
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damn straight...legs were superb too..
Not as dj181 he is better in chest, back and shoulders. But no legs.
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No way is Strydom 260+ in that video and no way would he have placed in the top 6 at the 1991 Olympia in that condition. The WBF was a circus that turned bodybuilders into clowns. Thank god it folded when it did.
Yes, he actually was. Go back to the late 80s and 90s before he went to the WBF. His weight was in the high 250s back then. By 1991, he was enormous. And how does Strydom not make top 6, considering Mike Christian (whom Strydom beat for the WBF title) was 4th in 1990?
As for the WBF turning bodybuilders into clowns, some could argue that they were already clowns before the WBF and are still clowns today.
Plus, we still see some elements of the WBF in today's shows. Didn't Toney Freeman do an "executioner" routine? Johnnie Morant might want his old gimmick back.
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yeah i know...slogan 'icopro,you gotta want it...vince really just turned it into a wrestling over the top skit,,1st show at least wasn't prop laden as 2nd one,,how did they convince mike quinn to do that act?but in real life he was like that persona so they must of just said act as u would and he said'gotta straight jacket?
They were already short-handed as it was. Comeford was out with pneumonia; Ferrigno bailed as soon as the drug-testing started; and Luger, the guest poser (and rather foolish attempt at a Ferrigno replacement) broke his arm in a motorcycle accident less than a week out.
McMahon tried to make the WBF a self-contained unit: His own magazine, his own supplement line, his own bodybuilding show (WBF Body Stars).
Remember that he tried to get a 10,000-seat arena for the second show, with the headline of a returning Lou Ferrigno vs. champion Gary Strydom. But, with the feds giving him and the then-WWF a prostrate exam with a catcus, there was no way the wrestlers were going to be drug-tested without the bodybuilders going through the wringer, too.
McMahon went to the extremes (as usual), from letting the WBF guys take whatever they wanted to having Dr. Mauro Dipasquale test them for everything but the kitchen sink. That's what sealed the WBF and ensured there'd be no real drug-testing in the IFBB. If the Weider guys had to go through what McMahon's bodybuilders did, we would have been dozens of guys looking like Mike Quinn (circa '92).
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They were already short-handed as it was. Comeford was out with pneumonia; Ferrigno bailed as soon as the drug-testing started; and Luger, the guest poser (and rather foolish attempt at a Ferrigno replacement) broke his arm in a motorcycle accident less than a week out.
McMahon tried to make the WBF a self-contained unit: His own magazine, his own supplement line, his own bodybuilding show (WBF Body Stars).
Remember that he tried to get a 10,000-seat arena for the second show, with the headline of a returning Lou Ferrigno vs. champion Gary Strydom. But, with the feds giving him and the then-WWF a prostrate exam with a catcus, there was no way the wrestlers were going to be drug-tested without the bodybuilders going through the wringer, too.
McMahon went to the extremes (as usual), from letting the WBF guys take whatever they wanted to having Dr. Mauro Dipasquale test them for everything but the kitchen sink. That's what sealed the WBF and ensured there'd be no real drug-testing in the IFBB. If the Weider guys had to go through what McMahon's bodybuilders did, we would have been dozens of guys looking like Mike Quinn (circa '92).
well the 90 mro proved and showed what could/would happen with drug testing..all the guys were off 10 to 20pct there best...
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well the 90 mro proved and showed what could/would happen with drug testing..all the guys were off 10 to 20pct there best...
The 1990 Mr. O was nothing compared to what happened to the guys at the 1992 WBF championship. Compared the condition of the competitors from both shows and it's night and day.
Here's Ron Love
Here's "Major Guns" Eddie Robinson
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The 1990 Mr. O was nothing compared to what happened to the guys at the 1992 WBF championship. Compared the condition of the competitors from both shows and it's night and day.
true...haney/labrada/still looked very good,gaspari was already slipping by then .92 wfb was bad real bad.
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Check the videos I put up on the previous post.
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Check the videos I put up on the previous post.
i watched them ,fast fowarded through rough parts,embarrasing commentary..i remember them as it was yesterday..i was into it then bbing/competing/muscle sport usa/american muscle /good times really was.
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i watched them ,fast fowarded through rough parts,embarrasing commentary..i remember them as it was yesterday..i was into it then bbing/competing/muscle sport usa/american muscle /good times really was.
You zipped through Eddie's blasting ninjas into oblivion? Or Dearth's rock-n-roll performance? Or Zuccolotto's lifeguard routine?
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christian was using his WBF salary for crack.
YUP. I remember when Mike made a "comeback" in the mid 90's. There was an article in Muscle and Fitness and some pics. He looked huge and claimed to be 265 pounds and CLEAN of drugs. Nothing ever came of that.
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Mike Christian did and Strydom beat him.
Plus, I'd argue that Strydom has Haney on legs.
Back and biceps, Haney hands down.
Triceps go to Strydom.
They're dead even on chest.
Shoulders? I don't know!! Flip a coin.
BB isnt judged body part by body part. .. its judged pose for pose. And Strydom would automatically lose both back poses and the FLS.
Haney beats strydom easily.
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YUP. I remember when Mike made a "comeback" in the mid 90's. There was an article in Muscle and Fitness and some pics. He looked huge and claimed to be 265 pounds and CLEAN of drugs. Nothing ever came of that.
I remember his article in FLEX (didn't see one in M&F). I'm not sure if he entered a show or planned on it. But, Christian said he did the photo shoot, because he didn't want the last memory of him to be that '92 show. In 1996, he had an interview for MuscleMag International. He claimed he'd never do the Masters Olympia; it simply wasn't worth the time or money (which wouldn't even cover contest prep).
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BB isnt judged body part by body part. .. its judged pose for pose. And Strydom would automatically lose both back poses and the FLS.
Haney beats strydom easily.
I know it isn't judged bodypart by bodypart.
Christian beats Strydom on back poses and FLS, too. Yet, Strydom topped him in 1991.
There are other bodyparts and poses (i.e. abs and thighs, side triceps, side chest, etc).
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I remember his article in FLEX (didn't see one in M&F). I'm not sure if he entered a show or planned on it. But, Christian said he did the photo shoot, because he didn't want the last memory of him to be that '92 show. In 1996, he had an interview for MuscleMag International. He claimed he'd never do the Masters Olympia; it simply wasn't worth the time or money (which wouldn't even cover contest prep).
christian looked huge,biggest ever ,then did shoot and that was it,,he has a quick cameo in money pit ,scene where quinn is on side car 'huge'mike walks by small 'off cycle small.movie was 88 so shot 87 probably.
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I know it isn't judged bodypart by bodypart.
Christian beats Strydom on back poses and FLS, too. Yet, Strydom topped him in 1991.
There are other bodyparts and poses (i.e. abs and thighs, side triceps, side chest, etc).
Right... but Christian is no Haney. And IMO Strydom doesn't really have anything that much better than Haney in most of those other poses. Haney had a killer FDB, good/great side chest... He just is too good for the extremely incomplete Strydom.
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Right... but Christian is no Haney. And IMO Strydom doesn't really have anything that much better than Haney in most of those other poses. Haney had a killer FDB, good/great side chest... He just is too good for the extremely incomplete Strydom.
Haney's awesome, no question about it. But his torso is a bit too overdeveloped for his limbs. Strydom seems to have the opposite problem. Great arms and legs (though biceps aren't peaked).
I agree with your statement about Christian (from the waist down, at least). Christian's upper body was one of the few of that era that could match or beat that of Lee Haney. That's why I called Dorian Yates (of the early 90s) Mike Christian with legs.
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Haney's awesome, no question about it. But his torso is a bit too overdeveloped for his limbs. Strydom seems to have the opposite problem. Great arms and legs (though biceps aren't peaked).
I agree with your statement about Christian (from the waist down, at least). Christian's upper body was one of the few of that era that could match or beat that of Lee Haney. That's why I called Dorian Yates (of the early 90s) Mike Christian with legs.
christian is the original leverone ,trained into show and grew into top form.
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So going to another federation, becoming the first guy to make $100K for winning a pro bodybuilding show, signing arguably the most lucrative contracts in history (which forced Weider to pony up more cash to keep his bodybuilders), and making a small fortune is your idea of "stupid"?
Strydom entered the Olympia once and placed top 5. But, he looked nowhere near as good as he did in 1991. It's simply a matchup I would have liked to have seen. I know how shows are judged; but Haney and Strydom never went head up, with each looking as they did that year.
Let see...he chance from the IFBB to WBF and instantly were greatest champion of that bunch of clowns, because they didn't have any real bodybuilders there. Why? Because it is small federation for hasbeen's and losers. He chance there because he know that he could not win IFBB shows because he wasn't good enough. He know that, and you still believe that he could beat Haney? One of you guys are wrong, and it isn't him. And by the way, Gary is notable as being the only person to win a Championship title under Vince McMahon's now defunct World Bodybuilding Federation. That federation was only for the show and taking money from the spectators, it fade away in two years. If you still can't understand why he could not win Haney, please compare back shots of these two. Try to find the ultimately best latspread from Strydom, and you see there is none. You can't win shows without one.
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Let see...he chance from the IFBB to WBF and instantly were greatest champion of that bunch of clowns, because they didn't have any real bodybuilders there. Why? Because it is small federation for hasbeen's and losers. He chance there because he know that he could not win IFBB shows because he wasn't good enough. He know that, and you still believe that he could beat Haney? One of you guys are wrong, and it isn't him. And by the way, Gary is notable as being the only person to win a Championship title under Vince McMahon's now defunct World Bodybuilding Federation. That federation was only for the show and taking money from the spectators, it fade away in two years. If you still can't understand why he could not win Haney, please compare back shots of these two. Try to find the ultimately best latspread from Strydom, and you see there is none. You can't win shows without one.
No real bodybuilders? Let's see:
Mike Christian, 4th place 1990 Mr. Olympia; 6th Place, 1989 Mr. Olympia; 3rd place, 1986 Mr. Olympia; 4th place, 1987 Mr. Olympia.
Berry DeMey, 3rd Place, 1988 Mr. Olympia (returning from a pec tear in 1989)
Mike Quinn, 6th place, 1988 Mr. Olympia; 7th place, 1989 Mr. Olympia)
Tony Pearson, AAU Mr. America; IFBB Grand Prix Denver champion; IFBB Mixed Pairs champion (5x).
Eddie Robinson, 1990 Gold's Classic Champion; 10th place, 1990 Mr. Olympia
A real bunch of 'clowns' there. And, McMahon came within a whisker of signing Rich Gaspari (who only placed second to Haney three times).
As for Strydom, you're right. He couldn't win IFBB shows.....except for:
1987 Night of Champions
1989 Grand Prix, France
1989 Grand Prix, Melbourne
1989 Grand Prix, Sweden
The lowest Strydom ever placed at any IFBB show, prior to jumping to the WBF was 5th; and that was at Mr. Olympia (where he overdieted and dropped too much mass).
And what is it with the broken record here about Strydom's back? I know Haney's back was superior; I said nothing to the contrary. But, I guess you missed the list of guys that Strydom BEAT, who had better backs than he did (i.e. Mike Christian, Tony Pearson, Mike Quinn).
Weider wouldn't have locked up his bodybuilders with contracts or threatened to ban any defectors for life, never mind all the guys who repeatedly bounced from the IFBB to NABBA and back (i.e. Samir Bannout, Ed Kawak, etc), if he didn't believe the WBF to be a legitimate threat.
Edit - Samir Bannout, 1983 Mr. Olympia competed at the 1991 Olympia. And this was AFTER competed at the NABBA World Championships, less than a year earlier, winning an IFBB pro show in 1990, and being disqualified in the '90 Arnold Classic.
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No real bodybuilders? Let's see:
Mike Christian, 4th place 1990 Mr. Olympia; 6th Place, 1989 Mr. Olympia; 3rd place, 1986 Mr. Olympia; 4th place, 1987 Mr. Olympia.
Berry DeMey, 3rd Place, 1988 Mr. Olympia (returning from a pec tear in 1989)
Mike Quinn, 5th place, 1988 Mr. Olympia; 7th place, 1989 Mr. Olympia)
Tony Pearson, AAU Mr. America; IFBB Grand Prix Denver champion; IFBB Mixed Pairs champion (5x).
Eddie Robinson, 1990 Gold's Classic Champion; 10th place, 1990 Mr. Olympia
A real bunch of 'clowns' there. And, McMahon came within a whisker of signing Rich Gaspari (who only placed second to Haney three times).
As for Strydom, you're right. He couldn't win IFBB shows.....except for:
1987 Night of Champions
1989 Grand Prix, France
1989 Grand Prix, Melbourne
1989 Grand Prix, Sweden
The lowest Strydom ever placed at any IFBB show, prior to jumping to the WBF was 5th; and that was at Mr. Olympia (where he overdieted and dropped too much mass).
And what is it with the broken record here about Strydom's back? I know Haney's back was superior; I said nothing to the contrary. But, I guess you missed the list of guys that Strydom BEAT, who had better backs than he did (i.e. Mike Christian, Tony Pearson, Mike Quinn).
Weider wouldn't have locked up his bodybuilders with contracts or threatened to ban any defectors for life, never mind all the guys who repeatedly bounced from the IFBB to NABBA and back (i.e. Samir Bannout, Ed Kawak, etc), if he didn't believe the WBF to be a legitimate threat.
Edit - Samir Bannout, 1983 Mr. Olympia competed at the 1991 Olympia. And this was AFTER competed at the NABBA World Championships, less than a year earlier, winning an IFBB pro show in 1990, and being disqualified in the '90 Arnold Classic.
What did you not understand in the word hasbeens? All of those, Cristian etc. were going downhill real fast, and this federation of clowns was their last try to leave with some money. This federation, which last two years before it fade away.. I understand that you are real fan of Strydom and he is one of the most impressive bb:ers what I have ever met face to face, but only way he could beat Haney would be in the situation where Haney sleeps and Strydom has a baseball bat. He would have been able to win on stage, if he would have even average back, but he didn't. It is very clear that he love to train his pecks and thighs, and ignore his back. Do you understand? You can't talk that wide back to him, we have the photographic evidence that he hasn't one. Just be a nice boy and tear down those sperm stained old posters of him, he is never coming back ;D
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What did you not understand in the word hasbeens? All of those, Cristian etc. were going downhill real fast, and this federation of clowns was their last try to leave with some money. This federation, which last two years before it fade away.. I understand that you are real fan of Strydom and he is one of the most impressive bb:ers what I have ever met face to face, but only way he could beat Haney would be in the situation where Haney sleeps and Strydom has a baseball bat. He would have been able to win on stage, if he would have even average back, but he didn't. It is very clear that he love to train his pecks and thighs, and ignore his back. Do you understand? You can't talk that wide back to him, we have the photographic evidence that he hasn't one. Just be a nice boy and tear down those sperm stained old posters of him, he is never coming back ;D
Yep, nothing says downhill fast like placing top 5 or top 10 multiple times. ::)
Weider's reaction to them leaving would indicate that he hardly thought those guys were has-beens. As stated earlier, several bodybuilders (including former Mr. O, Samir Bannout) had jumped to NABBA, with no threats of being banned for life; and they were allowed to return. So why did he panic, when the WBF hit the scene?
And, I am a fan of both Strydom and Haney (actually, Eddie Robinson was a big favorite of mine. He's from Florida, too; I picked him or Strydom to win the WBF title), which is why I wish they would have done battle in 1991.
The rest of your statements are utter foolishness. Strydom didn't ignore his back anymore than Haney ignored his arms. Each guy has his strengths and weaknesses. If having a back were all it took to be Mr. Olympia, Pearson and Christian would have a Sandow or two each.
And the sperm stuff? It sound as if you're projecting. Is there something you wish to share with the class?