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Title: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: AD2100 on March 15, 2014, 08:20:21 PM
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Shockwave on March 15, 2014, 08:40:04 PM
Because he's a loose cannon and he's unpredictable. (And he won't back down because he knows our current leader will not take a hard line with him.) That's why.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: NightTrain on March 15, 2014, 08:45:19 PM
Because he's a loose cannon and he's unpredictable. (And he won't back down because he knows our current leader will not take a hard line with him.) That's why.

this
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Nails on March 15, 2014, 09:02:07 PM
Cus he isnt afraid of faggotss
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: NightTrain on March 15, 2014, 09:02:49 PM
Cus he isnt afraid of faggotss

and this also
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: TrueGrit on March 15, 2014, 09:16:30 PM
Does Russians haz these?

(http://www.cavemancircus.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2010/september/fat_people_scooters/fat_people_on_scooters_6.jpg)
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Nails on March 15, 2014, 09:18:54 PM
Does Russians haz these?

(http://www.cavemancircus.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2010/september/fat_people_scooters/fat_people_on_scooters_6.jpg)

Would hate to be those rubber wheels
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: NightTrain on March 15, 2014, 09:20:06 PM
Would hate to be those rubber wheels

rather be the wheels than the seat  :-X
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: THE ARS on March 15, 2014, 09:25:30 PM
Send Vlad Pooti to Quincy, I'll slap the shit out of him and bury his little live body in my chink neighbor's yard.

Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Nails on March 15, 2014, 09:28:40 PM
rather be the wheels than the seat  :-X


Lmfao
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: muscleman-2013 on March 15, 2014, 10:03:10 PM
The west has made it's own shit stained bed, and now it has to lie in it. 
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on March 15, 2014, 10:07:22 PM
rather be the wheels than the seat  :-X
lol
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 15, 2014, 10:52:27 PM
The only one who fears him is that pansy ass, jelly dick Obama.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: NightTrain on March 15, 2014, 10:56:00 PM
Because he's a loose cannon and he's unpredictable. (And he won't back down because he knows our current leader will not take a hard line with him.) That's why.

I will. And I'm not the only one. We just need to get libs and negros out of office.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: FermiDirac on March 15, 2014, 11:13:24 PM
Time of America is over, time of North Korea is at hand. North Korea, best Korea.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 15, 2014, 11:16:56 PM


He stopped our nutbag globalist politicians from intervening in Syria, for that we thank you Vladimir Vladimirovich, and the fine people of Rossiya.

I hope he continues to stand in the way of these maniacs.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: NightTrain on March 15, 2014, 11:24:52 PM
He stopped our nutbag globalist politicians from intervening in Syria, for that we thank you Vladimir Vladimirovich, and the fine people of Rossiya.

X2.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: 24KT on March 16, 2014, 12:56:57 AM
He stopped our nutbag globalist politicians from intervening in Syria, for that we thank you Vladimir Vladimirovich, and the fine people of Rossiya.

I hope he continues to stand in the way of these maniacs.

X3
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: tbombz on March 16, 2014, 01:04:15 AM
Hoping that Crimea gets to join Russia. What did we learn from iraq and the endless conflict there due to the country's boundaries encircling 3 very different peoples?  when regions dont share the same ideology they shouldn't share the same government.  On that note, today I signed a petition to break up California into 6 seperate states. Felt good. :)
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 16, 2014, 01:06:59 AM
Hoping that Crimea gets to join Russia. What did we learn from iraq and the endless conflict there due to the country's boundaries encircling 3 very different peoples?  when regions dont share the same ideology they shouldn't share the same government.  On that note, today I signed a petition to break up California into 6 seperate states. Felt good. :)

Good man tbombz, well said

Same deal with the power grab in Washington D.C. and Brussels.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: NightTrain on March 16, 2014, 01:13:37 AM
Does Russians haz these?

(http://www.cavemancircus.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2010/september/fat_people_scooters/fat_people_on_scooters_6.jpg)

That Fatgina looks plumpy and delicious. Stop hating.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: FermiDirac on March 16, 2014, 01:26:26 AM
The west fears Putin because he does not conform to the globalist agenda.

In addition, he probably saved Syria from distruction. Probably to the distaste of the global bankers aka financial vultures.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 16, 2014, 01:41:41 AM
The west fears Putin because he does not conform to the globalist agenda.

In addition, he probably saved Syria from distruction. Probably to the distaste of the global bankers aka financial vultures.

Truer Words Have Never Been Spoken

Putin might be a dirt bag, but he's the only dirt bag who is standing in the way of the globalist elite.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: FermiDirac on March 16, 2014, 01:51:47 AM
Truer Words Have Never Been Spoken

Putin might be a dirt bag, but he's the only dirt bag who is standing in the way of the globalist elite.

Agreed, Putin may have his flaws, but he's one of the few with enough backbone to not be intimidated into submission.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 16, 2014, 02:00:30 AM
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/understanding-putins-role-in-world-of.html
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: alabama ftw on March 16, 2014, 02:08:01 AM
That Fatgina looks plumpy and delicious. Stop hating.
You are the fattest person on getbig bro. hypocrite?
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: MikMaq on March 16, 2014, 03:48:18 AM
Lol nobody fears him he's a pain in the fucking ass, but he's still a white man. A war with Russia would last days. The US would over power them instantly, and Ironically because of russia geography they couldn't turn it into some type of gureilla war.

It's amazing how powerful the guy actually is and how powerful people think he could be.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: FermiDirac on March 16, 2014, 03:59:53 AM
Lol nobody fears him he's a pain in the fucking ass, but he's still a white man. A war with Russia would last days. The US would over power them instantly, and Ironically because of russia geography they couldn't turn it into some type of gureilla war.

It's amazing how powerful the guy actually is and how powerful people think he could be.

A war with Russia would end in thermonuclear weapons. Any country with this power knows the stupidity in aggravating another country with such power.

"Overpower" of peace.

Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: galeniko on March 16, 2014, 04:02:07 AM
hes not loose cannon or screws, hes simply an opponent, not a victim.

the west seeks victims to assault, never opponents.

Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: SuperTed on March 16, 2014, 04:03:53 AM
I'm a fan of Putin.  8)
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: FermiDirac on March 16, 2014, 04:08:39 AM
hes not loose cannon or screws, hes simply an opponent, not a victim.

the west seeks victims to assault, never opponents.



Well said!

Just look at how the globalists work;

1) If the country is of little to no threat => destabilize, invade and subjugate (Iraq, Afghanistan etc)

2) If the country is too strong to be taken by force and does not comply with the western agenda => demonise and sanction the country (Iran, China, Russia etc)
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 16, 2014, 04:19:05 AM
Well said!

Just look at how the globalists work;

1) If the country is of little to no threat => destabilize, invade and subjugate (Iraq, Afghanistan etc)

2) If the country is too strong to be taken by force and does not comply with the western agenda => demonise and sanction the country (Iran, China, Russia etc)

Wesley Clark said back in 2007 that we would institute regime change in seven nations in five years.




Wesley Clark also says there's no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states.

"There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That is a 19th-century idea, and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states".
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: galeniko on March 16, 2014, 04:23:40 AM
Wesley Clark said back in 2007 that we would institute regime change in seven nations in five years.

Wesley Clark also says there's no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states.
haha there is, albania is quite "Pure"

is clark american? hows the usa ethnicaly pure?

what is ethnicity?

for anyone looking back far enough in history, this term ethnicity becomes weird ???
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: _aj_ on March 16, 2014, 04:27:37 AM
Wesley Clark said back in 2007 that we would institute regime change in seven nations in five years.




Wesley Clark also says there's no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states.

"There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That is a 19th-century idea, and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states".

Wes Clark is also a thorough retard. His platform running as a democrat was beneath contempt.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: _aj_ on March 16, 2014, 04:33:43 AM
Because he's a loose cannon and he's unpredictable. (And he won't back down because he knows our current leader will not take a hard line with him.) That's why.

IMHO, he's not unpredictable in the slightest. As a matter of fact, his actions have almost been Pavlovian in their predictability, if one is willing to see with clear eyes what he wants. He was very calculating in this latest gambit, waiting until Obama's numbers were almost as low as they could go, and Europe reeling from another super cold winter. He even has the calculated audacity to use the Germany-invades-Austria rationale for his annexation of Crimea.

As a matter of fact, his actions/reactions are so predictable, that if we were able to get inside his OODA loop, we could spin him like a top. But we would need clear-eyed, steely leadership at the top, and that shit does not exist in our credentialed political class anymore. So, we watch as another Slavic strongman attempts to eat half the world.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Shockwave on March 16, 2014, 04:50:36 AM
IMHO, he's not unpredictable in the slightest. As a matter of fact, his actions have almost been Pavlovian in their predictability, if one is willing to see with clear eyes what he wants. He was very calculating in this latest gambit, waiting until Obama's numbers were almost as low as they could go, and Europe reeling from another super cold winter. He even has the calculated audacity to use the Germany-invades-Austria rationale for his annexation of Crimea.

As a matter of fact, his actions/reactions are so predictable, that if we were able to get inside his OODA loop, we could spin him like a top. But we would need clear-eyed, steely leadership at the top, and that shit does not exist in our credentialed political class anymore. So, we watch as another Slavic strongman attempts to eat half the world,
I agree. Unpredictable wasnt quite the right phrase.

my point was that he does what hes going to do without regard for the US or Europes bullshit political threats.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: _aj_ on March 16, 2014, 04:57:18 AM
I agree. Unpredictable wasnt quite the right phrase.

my point was that he does what hes going to do without regard for the US or Europes bullshit political threats.

Absolutely. As a matter of fact, he's hoping that we draw more toothless "red lines" (like our plastic-faced SECSTATE did recently), so he can continue to draw the world's attention to the fecklessness of the west right now.

He also knows that it is a game of time now, as Americans, as neutered as we appear at the moment, are makers of history, should our resolve become hardened. Putin is smart enough to see that if he pushes the west far enough, we can respond in a hugely damaging way.

Imagine, oh, a President AJ, the first day in office, via EO, rescinds all regulations against fracking and shale oil exploration and directs the DOE to approve 250 permits for gen4 nuclear reactors. Then he sends a bill to Congress for a trans-Atlantic natgas pipe.

You don't think that Putin would be caged at that moment? There are a lot of arrows in our quiver that aren't nuclear tipped.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 16, 2014, 05:02:23 AM
Absolutely. As a matter of fact, he's hoping that we draw more toothless "red lines" (like our plastic-faced SECSTATE did recently), so he can continue to draw the world's attention to the fecklessness of the west right now.

He also knows that it is a game of time now, as Americans, as neutered as we appear at the moment, are makers of history, should our resolve become hardened. Putin is smart enough to see that if he pushes the west far enough, we can respond in a hugely damaging way.

Imagine, oh, a President AJ, the first day in office, via EO, rescinds all regulations against fracking and shale oil exploration and directs the DOE to approve 250 permits for gen4 nuclear reactors. Then he sends a bill to Congress for a trans-Atlantic natgas pipe.

You don't think that Putin would be caged at that moment? There are a lot of arrows in our quiver that aren't nuclear tipped.


Western leaders all seem to be following (to a large degree) the same undemocratic globalist agenda, and giving up their sovereignty. Can you admire the very rare fact that in today's world, a major world leader represents the interests of his country first?
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: _aj_ on March 16, 2014, 05:05:43 AM
Western leaders all seem to be following (to a large degree) the same undemocratic globalist agenda, and giving up their sovereignty. Is it wrong to admire the rare fact that Putin as a major world leader represents the interests of his country first?

You can admire it, sure. I just hope somebody puts him back in his box soon. He plays for the other team.

And let's not get carried away for where his interests lie. I am sure that they are primarily directed at his personal bank account.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: FermiDirac on March 16, 2014, 05:06:27 AM
Western leaders all seem to be following (to a large degree) the same undemocratic globalist agenda, and giving up their sovereignty. Is it wrong to admire the rare fact that Putin as a major world leader represents the interests of his country first?

But how will the corporate mega banks survive if sovereignty has priority? ;D
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 16, 2014, 05:07:54 AM
You can admire it, sure. I just hope somebody puts him back in his box soon. He plays for the other team.

And let's not get carried away for where his interests lie. I am sure that they are primarily directed at his personal bank account.

Oh no, I understand that well...

Just glad to see the globalist maniacs aren't completely unchecked.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 16, 2014, 05:10:51 AM
But how will the corporate mega banks survive if sovereignty has priority? ;D

Good point...  We're getting somewhere now.... :-X

And how can sovereignty survive when every civilized country has been Balkanized by various types of third worlders from failed states around the world?

Hmmmmm, these globalists are brilliant  :D
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on March 16, 2014, 07:20:09 AM
Because he's a loose cannon and he's unpredictable. (And he won't back down because he knows our current leader will not take a hard line with him.) That's why.
many nations see usa as a loose cannon, you goverment even lies to their own people just to get a reason to start a war.  So usa and russia is not that far away from eachother
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on March 16, 2014, 07:22:06 AM
Well said!

Just look at how the globalists work;

1) If the country is of little to no threat => destabilize, invade and subjugate (Iraq, Afghanistan etc)

2) If the country is too strong to be taken by force and does not comply with the western agenda => demonise and sanction the country (Iran, China, Russia etc)
this
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Lustral on March 16, 2014, 07:32:31 AM
Good man tbombz, well said

Same deal with the power grab in Washington D.C. and Brussels.

At least voters can influence who is in power in D.C. So many eurocrats are just pushed there by governments. They want a federal Europe but never stopped to ask if anybody else wants it.

In everything they do they act like they know what's best for us all - ridiculous labour laws, safety rules, currency, centralised interest rate. I was pro Europe when I was younger but they are destroying national identities and out of touch with what people want.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Shockwave on March 16, 2014, 07:40:28 AM
At least voters can influence who is in power in D.C. So many eurocrats are just pushed there by governments. They want a federal Europe but never stopped to ask if anybody else wants it.

In everything they do they act like they know what's best for us all - ridiculous labour laws, safety rules, currency, centralised interest rate. I was pro Europe when I was younger but they are destroying national identities and out of touch with what people want.
many Germans complained about this as well. That brussels just forces things on the EU because they thunk they know whats best, with no actual vote, and the officials telling them how to live their lives were appointed, no5 elected, that many are radical idealists who seep bent 9n destroying any sense of national pride or identity, and anytime a country has the balls to stand up to the EU and make some individual choices on whats best for their country when if it flies in the face of the EUs ideological agenda (like Switzerland), Brussels throws a hissy fit and threatens to fuck them uo economically.

the German's were especially pissed they had to pay for Greece, and Italy and Spain, and that they lose 45% of their wages to the government.
oh, and Switzerland has single payer but they STILL have to pay out of pocket for medical procedures.

WTF?
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: pissant on March 16, 2014, 08:35:46 AM
Because he's a loose cannon and he's unpredictable. (And he won't back down because he knows our current leader will not take a hard line with him.) That's why.

loose cannon yet we invaded 2 countries in the past decade or so. Drone bomb civilians. have the highest incarceration rates in the western world.

but this putin guy who invades his neighbor to secure a port theyve had for 200 years is surely a loose cannon lol. PLEASE
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: alabama ftw on March 16, 2014, 08:37:52 AM
many nations see usa as a loose cannon, you goverment even lies to their own people just to get a reason to start a war.  So usa and russia is not that far away from eachother
(http://vulcanpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/north-korea.jpg)
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Shockwave on March 16, 2014, 08:38:49 AM
loose cannon yet we invaded 2 countries in the past decade or so. Drone bomb civilians. have the highest incarceration rates in the western world.

but this putin guy who invades his neighbor to secure a port theyve had for 200 years is surely a loose cannon lol. PLEASE
As i've said earlier, he's a loose cannon in the sense that he won't respond to the EU's or US's threats and does what he pleases.

Jesus Christ everyone gets bent out of shape and starts screaming "!NOOONONONOONO THE US IS THE LOOSE CANNON ZOMG WERE SO EVIL!"

Yes, we do what we what, I know.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: pissant on March 16, 2014, 08:42:16 AM
As i've said earlier, he's a loose cannon in the sense that he won't respond to the EU's or US's threats and does what he pleases.

Jesus Christ everyone gets bent out of shape and starts screaming "!NOOONONONOONO THE US IS THE LOOSE CANNON ZOMG WERE SO EVIL!"

Yes, we do what we what, I know.

so you admit to being a moron for using that statement? You are brainwashed if you think putin is some kinda belligerent. Thats exactly the picture they want to paint. OMGZ HES EX KGB, OMG HES SECURED A PORT THEYVE USED FOR 200 YEARS.
 
oh wait wasnt gw bush senior head of the cia?! Havent we been at war since ww2 with nearly every country on the globe?

Always easier to point a finger at the other guy but never yourself. Its a bias we all have inherited.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Shockwave on March 16, 2014, 08:47:37 AM
so you admit to being a moron for using that statement? You are brainwashed if you think putin is some kinda belligerent. Thats exactly the picture they want to paint. OMGZ HES EX KGB, OMG HES SECURED A PORT THEYVE USED FOR 200 YEARS.
 
oh wait wasnt gw bush senior head of the cia?! Havent we been at war since ww2 with nearly every country on the globe?

Always easier to point a finger at the other guy but never yourself. Its a bias we all have inherited.
Way to miss the point again in your anti US agnst. It wasn't any indicator of moral right or wrong on his part, idiot, I said the west fears him BECAUSE HE DOESN'T RESPOND TO THEIR THREATS, you fucking moron.

My statement had ZERO to do with the world view of the states. ZERO. You brought that in because you're fucking illiterate.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 16, 2014, 09:32:09 AM
Putin vs Obama
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Parker on March 16, 2014, 09:43:01 AM
Hoping that Crimea gets to join Russia. What did we learn from iraq and the endless conflict there due to the country's boundaries encircling 3 very different peoples?  when regions dont share the same ideology they shouldn't share the same government.  On that note, today I signed a petition to break up California into 6 seperate states. Felt good. :)
your last statement---are you that stupid? It will not happen...and if it did, you'd be in the poorest state.


On Putin, we (the west) need a boogey man, always do, and Putin The Stone Face is up for the part.
A man who seems more about power than money (I could be wrong), and nationalist pride (something it seems our President lacks), against globalist agenda, not going with the status quo....
Isn't this what the US wanted, a free Russia, one that would decide who and where it would go?
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 16, 2014, 09:51:05 AM
The push behind dividing California into 6 states is being backed by liberal Democrats. They figure they will get 12 senators then.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Parker on March 16, 2014, 09:54:38 AM
The push behind dividing California into 6 states is being backed by liberal Democrats. They figure they will get 12 senators then.
Like venture capitalist Tim Draper doesn't have something to gain from this as well.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: tbombz on March 16, 2014, 10:04:43 AM
your last statement---are you that stupid? It will not happen...and if it did, you'd be in the poorest state.


On Putin, we (the west) need a boogey man, always do, and Putin The Stone Face is up for the part.
A man who seems more about power than money (I could be wrong), and nationalist pride (something it seems our President lacks), against globalist agenda, not going with the status quo....
Isn't this what the US wanted, a free Russia, one that would decide who and where it would go?
I didnt say it was going to succeed.

Sacramento? Poorest state? Maybe.. depends on how the lines would be drawn. I have a feeling it would be north east California up by Marysville tho.  Alas, I dont care. Sacramento could be the poorest state out of the 6. Wouldn't change my feelings on the issue.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Parker on March 16, 2014, 10:31:16 AM
I didnt say it was going to succeed.

Sacramento? Poorest state? Maybe.. depends on how the lines would be drawn. I have a feeling it would be north east California up by Marysville tho.  Alas, I dont care. Sacramento could be the poorest state out of the 6. Wouldn't change my feelings on the issue.
Then why sign the petition?

You didn't get it, you have a habit of not thinking thru things and looking at the future. You have no job, have a criminal record, supposedly have HIV, lack of schooling, and a poor work ethic. You'd have to move to a place (state) where the cost of living is low, and get a lower wage paying job.
In counties that have high cost of living, the education levels of inhabitants tends to be higher then normal, and the median income is higher. There are few places for the "less fortunate" to live, and if they do have jobs there, many times they would have to commute.

Lines will be drawn to benefit the rich... Because they don't want to have to deal with "your types", as they would put it (poor people, etc.)
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: James28 on March 16, 2014, 10:45:22 AM
Putin is very smart and can bully the weak west now give credit were credit is do dont let patriotism cloud your thinking.

I've never been patriotic in my life. I've never understood the mentally that goes with it. And I've only seen purebred idiots trump up 'their' way of living.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: tbombz on March 16, 2014, 11:19:30 AM
Then why sign the petition?

You didn't get it, you have a habit of not thinking thru things and looking at the future. You have no job, have a criminal record, supposedly have HIV, lack of schooling, and a poor work ethic. You'd have to move to a place (state) where the cost of living is low, and get a lower wage paying job.
In counties that have high cost of living, the education levels of inhabitants tends to be higher then normal, and the median income is higher. There are few places for the "less fortunate" to live, and if they do have jobs there, many times they would have to commute.

Lines will be drawn to benefit the rich... Because they don't want to have to deal with "your types", as they would put it (poor people, etc.)

???

The only reason you vote for things is whether it will have direct impact on the amount of govt. Subsidies available to you?

I signed it because there are difeerent regions with different cultures that are currently thrown under one tent, which results in each region stepping on and getting stepped on by the other regions. The bay area is prevented for being as liberal as they want to be, the central valley is prevented from being as conservative as it wants to be. Neither region is happy and neither region gets the government it wants because the other region is helping to shape the overlapping tent.

As for my region...

Sacramento has some of the lowest prices ( and also the highest availability) in the state (for both housing and groceries etc).  The real estate market is filled with a wide range of affordable offerings, the grocery stores are packed with dirt cheap locally grown produce (nations 'farm-to-fork-' capital), and the employment oppurtunities are endless.

Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: WalterWhite on March 16, 2014, 11:35:29 AM
Putin vs Obama

If just these two squared off we know what the result would be. Besides Obama wouldn't get in the ring with him.

This is just what the US Navy and Air Force has to throw at Russia. The US spends more on it's military than the rest of the world combined. Nearly 700 billion vs 650 billion for the rest of the world.  Putin is not stupid and would not pick a fight with the US but he knows how to poke at Obama to get him all worked up.

Air Force

332,854 active personnel
185,522 civilian personnel
71,400 reserve personnel
106,700 air guard personnel
$140 billion budget
5,484 aircraft
450 ICBMs
63 satellites

U.S. Navy

317,464 active duty personnel
109,596 Reserve personnel
283 ships
3,700+ aircraft
10 aircraft carriers
9 amphibious assault ships
8 amphibious transport docks
12 dock landing ships
22 cruisers
62 destroyers
17 frigates
71 submarines
3 littoral combat ships
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: alabama ftw on March 16, 2014, 11:43:04 AM
If just these two squared off we know what the result would be. Besides Obama wouldn't get in the ring with him.

This is just what the US Navy and Air Force has to throw at Russia. The US spends more on it's military than the rest of the world combined. Nearly 700 billion vs 650 billion for the rest of the world.  Putin is not stupid and would not pick a fight with the US but he knows how to poke at Obama to get him all worked up.

Air Force

332,854 active personnel
185,522 civilian personnel
71,400 reserve personnel
106,700 air guard personnel
$140 billion budget
5,484 aircraft
450 ICBMs
63 satellites

U.S. Navy

317,464 active duty personnel
109,596 Reserve personnel
283 ships
3,700+ aircraft
10 aircraft carriers
9 amphibious assault ships
8 amphibious transport docks
12 dock landing ships
22 cruisers
62 destroyers
17 frigates
71 submarines
3 littoral combat ships

Yes, USA and its allies are extremely superior in every field that it's just ridiculous. To even touch USA would be suicide for Russia.

 Read this:
http://theweek.com/article/index/257406/what-would-a-us-russia-war-look-like

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02614/Army-bases-online_2614912a.jpg)
(http://www.rickety.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/defense_spending.jpg)
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Parker on March 16, 2014, 11:50:57 AM
???

The only reason you vote for things is whether it will have direct impact on the amount of govt. Subsidies available to you?

I signed it because there are difeerent regions with different cultures that are currently thrown under one tent, which results in each region stepping on and getting stepped on by the other regions. The bay area is prevented for being as liberal as they want to be, the central valley is prevented from being as conservative as it wants to be. Neither region is happy and neither region gets the government it wants because the other region is helping to shape the overlapping tent.

As for my region...

Sacramento has some of the lowest prices ( and also the highest availability) in the state (for both housing and groceries etc).  The real estate market is filled with a wide range of affordable offerings, the grocery stores are packed with dirt cheap locally grown produce (nations 'farm-to-fork-' capital), and the employment oppurtunities are endless.


Key words for you "govt subsidies"....as it always has been.

Again, you are smart, but you never think things through and anticipate the future. California is hemorrhaging.
Growing destitute by the minute. And there are people who want to fix that in the most PC'd way possible.
Unfortunately, the people under the big tent are going to have to get along and figure out a way. To Balkanize California is not the way to go. Unity is a strength...but the liberal way that you speak of, is only code for "me".
And what about all the Spanish speaking people? What of their future in this? What sections will they be in or congregate in, due to not be required from the beginning to Integrate---but segregate themselves? And how will this be sold to them in the future?
What about crime? And the marketing of the supposed future states? These all questions that need to
And of course, who is going to be under the biggest tent, with the most money?

And as far as your region, how sure are you that the demographics would NOT change? And how do you that the area would not change to reflect the flow of monies? You only speak of the present, but yet remember, you have nothing. And virtually no employers with a good salary will employ you. "Affordable" is a term used to suggest housing for those cannot afford mid to upper level.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Shockwave on March 16, 2014, 12:23:14 PM
If just these two squared off we know what the result would be. Besides Obama wouldn't get in the ring with him.

This is just what the US Navy and Air Force has to throw at Russia. The US spends more on it's military than the rest of the world combined. Nearly 700 billion vs 650 billion for the rest of the world.  Putin is not stupid and would not pick a fight with the US but he knows how to poke at Obama to get him all worked up.

Air Force

332,854 active personnel
185,522 civilian personnel
71,400 reserve personnel
106,700 air guard personnel
$140 billion budget
5,484 aircraft
450 ICBMs
63 satellites

U.S. Navy

317,464 active duty personnel
109,596 Reserve personnel
283 ships
3,700+ aircraft
10 aircraft carriers
9 amphibious assault ships
8 amphibious transport docks
12 dock landing ships
22 cruisers
62 destroyers
17 frigates
71 submarines
3 littoral combat ships

Russia wants to part of a stand up war with the US. They would get annihilated.

They have no way to logistically support a war.. no one seems to pay attention to the logistical side of things.. we're the only country to develop a doctrine which allows us to move troops and supplies constantly across the world. Our amphibious doctrine is developed SPECIFICALLY to wage war across the globe. Russia and China have literally NO way to get enough troops onto US soil to accomplish ANYTHING.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: WalterWhite on March 16, 2014, 01:03:27 PM
Russia wants to part of a stand up war with the US. They would get annihilated.

They have no way to logistically support a war.. no one seems to pay attention to the logistical side of things.. we're the only country to develop a doctrine which allows us to move troops and supplies constantly across the world. Our amphibious doctrine is developed SPECIFICALLY to wage war across the globe. Russia and China have literally NO way to get enough troops onto US soil to accomplish ANYTHING.

Your exactly right and the cold war spending was heavily focused on this type of warfare. 
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Parker on March 16, 2014, 01:11:01 PM
Russia wants to part of a stand up war with the US. They would get annihilated.

They have no way to logistically support a war.. no one seems to pay attention to the logistical side of things.. we're the only country to develop a doctrine which allows us to move troops and supplies constantly across the world. Our amphibious doctrine is developed SPECIFICALLY to wage war across the globe. Russia and China have literally NO way to get enough troops onto US soil to accomplish ANYTHING.
+1
Also, let's not go into quality of machinery/weapons. There was an article on Jalopnik on the "foxbat". Admittedly, Russian quality control is probably leap years ahead of it, but it's a reminder of a time when it wasn't the case. Especially with that report days ago, with vehicle(s) in an Russian envoy breaking down.
 http://jalopnik.com/a-requiem-for-the-original-soviet-rat-rod-1534150327 (http://jalopnik.com/a-requiem-for-the-original-soviet-rat-rod-1534150327)
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: rachaelsnav on March 16, 2014, 01:16:35 PM
I don't fear Putin so much as have no faith in anyone in the world to stand-up to him.  Kind of like how WWII got its start.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Nails on March 16, 2014, 01:27:14 PM
4 eyes is ready to kill that child for voting ... Children are allowed to vote in Russia  ??? ??? ???



Voting stopped about 2:30 hours ago right  ???  They will start announcing the Vote count in like 5 minutes Correct  ??? ???





(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140316093443-crimea-voting-horizontal-gallery.jpg)
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: 240 is Back on March 16, 2014, 01:33:33 PM
Does Russians haz these?

(http://www.cavemancircus.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2010/september/fat_people_scooters/fat_people_on_scooters_6.jpg)

would love to be that funky undercarriage.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Nails on March 16, 2014, 01:34:40 PM
Does Russians haz these?

(http://www.cavemancircus.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2010/september/fat_people_scooters/fat_people_on_scooters_6.jpg)

Would love to be that owner of Rental company in America Amusement parks
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: nasht5 on March 16, 2014, 01:40:50 PM
back to the point of this thread;

I don't believe the west fears Putin. But since the USA has a pussy in the white house the west knows the USA prob only has "THEIR back" (slang term for the foreigners) which means the USA pussy prez won't be a world LEADER on this subject. He will probably "let" other world "leaders" stand up to Russia while the USA prez promises support.

The west won't do anything but sanction Putin cause they know obama is a pussy... so does putin.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: tbombz on March 16, 2014, 01:41:04 PM
Key words for you "govt subsidies"....as it always has been.

Again, you are smart, but you never think things through and anticipate the future. California is hemorrhaging.
Growing destitute by the minute. And there are people who want to fix that in the most PC'd way possible.
Unfortunately, the people under the big tent are going to have to get along and figure out a way. To Balkanize California is not the way to go. Unity is a strength...but the liberal way that you speak of, is only code for "me".
And what about all the Spanish speaking people? What of their future in this? What sections will they be in or congregate in, due to not be required from the beginning to Integrate---but segregate themselves? And how will this be sold to them in the future?
What about crime? And the marketing of the supposed future states? These all questions that need to
And of course, who is going to be under the biggest tent, with the most money?

And as far as your region, how sure are you that the demographics would NOT change? And how do you that the area would not change to reflect the flow of monies? You only speak of the present, but yet remember, you have nothing. And virtually no employers with a good salary will employ you. "Affordable" is a term used to suggest housing for those cannot afford mid to upper level.
 I suppose if I felt myself worthy to be a dictator over other peoples lives I would support big government, big tents, and all sorts of regulations and redistribution programs to "solve" all the existing and foreseeable "problems" in the world.

Sacramento has a wide variety of housing. From decent apartments in new buildings and centrally located for as low as $400/  month, and century old multi million dollar homes in mid town with residential streets lined with giant oak trees and asphalt wide enough to fit 5 fire trucks side by side
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Andy Griffin on March 16, 2014, 01:42:30 PM
Does Russians haz these?

(http://www.cavemancircus.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2010/september/fat_people_scooters/fat_people_on_scooters_6.jpg)

I just cracked me one off.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Nails on March 16, 2014, 02:09:01 PM
Does Russians haz these?

(http://www.cavemancircus.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2010/september/fat_people_scooters/fat_people_on_scooters_6.jpg)


Would love to be that nascar Jeff Gordon cap
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on March 16, 2014, 02:18:41 PM
I've never been patriotic in my life. I've never understood the mentally that goes with it. And I've only seen purebred idiots trump up 'their' way of living.
i used to be that bjt now im only ashamed. We used to be known for the swedish bikini team now we are known only for being a pussycountry that is overrun by Muslims
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: nasht5 on March 16, 2014, 02:32:57 PM
i used to be that bjt now im only ashamed. We used to be known for the swedish bikini team now we are known only for being a pussycountry that is overrun by Muslims

you've always been known as a pussy country, the bikini team was the highlight, now you are back to a pussy country overrun with muslims... USA will be the same way too soon.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on March 16, 2014, 02:36:43 PM
you've always been known as a pussy country, the bikini team was the highlight, now you are back to a pussy country overrun with muslims... USA will be the same way too soon.
you are right...atleast im 100% finnish but born in swedent
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: WalterWhite on March 16, 2014, 02:42:36 PM
back to the point of this thread;

I don't believe the west fears Putin. But since the USA has a pussy in the white house the west knows the USA prob only has "THEIR back" (slang term for the foreigners) which means the USA pussy prez won't be a world LEADER on this subject. He will probably "let" other world "leaders" stand up to Russia while the USA prez promises support.

The west won't do anything but sanction Putin cause they know obama is a pussy... so does putin.

Being a pussy can also be a problem when you know you have a big brother to stand up for you (i.e. US Generals).  He's more likely to go and run behind them when things get dicey. 
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: The Ugly on March 16, 2014, 09:25:08 PM
Putin doesn't seem to respect our HNIC:

http://news.yahoo.com/state-tv-says-russia-could-turn-us-radioactive-212003397.html
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: AD2100 on March 17, 2014, 07:35:36 AM
Christianity is a bulwark against the Western (and secular Jewish power-brokers) homosexual and atheist agenda.


In America, Putin is always portrayed as a communist dictator with many protesters against him. Yet, he is not a member of the communist party and the KGB no longer exists. They never show the millions of Russians who love him for saving Russia and his true beliefs. Why is the truth not reported? There is a reason. The western media thinks they can hide the truth. However,
"One word of truth shall outweigh the whole world." -- old Russian proverb
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on March 17, 2014, 09:10:09 AM
Putin and russia are hugely important because they stand as the one 'check' against the globalists that want to control everything and end all nation states and sovereignty and push their liberal agenda everywhere and try to smear or outright conquer every nation who refuses to go along with them(such as iran)

There is no political correctness with putin. None.

I absolutely love watching him muck up the globalists' plans and watch them throw their hissy fits when russia refuses to 'play along'.

As long as russia provides a counter to this force i support them.
Title: Re: Why the West Fears Putin
Post by: FermiDirac on March 17, 2014, 10:09:19 AM
Christianity is a bulwark against the Western (and secular Jewish power-brokers) homosexual and atheist agenda.


In America, Putin is always portrayed as a communist dictator with many protesters against him. Yet, he is not a member of the communist party and the KGB no longer exists. They never show the millions of Russians who love him for saving Russia and his true beliefs. Why is the truth not reported? There is a reason. The western media thinks they can hide the truth. However,
"One word of truth shall outweigh the whole world." -- old Russian proverb

Slander and deception are the only tools they have against Russia and Putin, they can't use force since Russia is a country that fights back. It's reminiscent of school yard bullies (EU/US), they only pick on the scrawny kids, not the huge swoll half monkey beasts.

The globalists will always fear what they can't control.
They fear what they don't understand: that a country can take pride in it's citizens, sovereignty and wanting the best for their own country.
Russia doesn't want to be assimilated by the globalist mega organism, and thus has been proclaimed the "bad guy" of the world.