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(CNN) -- A fight has broken out between two of the most prominent members of the Republican Party: Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul.
In an op-ed for Breitbart News, Paul took a shot at Cruz, without actually naming him, when he wrote, "I will remind anyone who thinks we will win elections by trashing previous Republican nominees or holding oneself out as some paragon in the mold of Reagan, that splintering the party is not the route to victory." This was just one more flash point in the ongoing tension that has characterized their relationship.
The back-and-forth has captured considerable attention since both men have been discussed as possible contenders for the Republican nomination in 2016.
Julian Zelizer
Julian Zelizer
Each is seen as representing a different faction of the Republican right: Cruz the take-no-prisoners, slash-and-burn conservatives who will do just about anything to obtain their objectives and Paul the libertarian voice pushing back against all forms of government.
If Cruz and Paul turn out to be the major spokespersons for the debate about where the Republican Party should go, then the party is going to be in some big trouble.
Cruz represents an extremist wing of the GOP that can't seem to govern. Since the emergence of the tea party in 2009, the Republican Party has been shaped by a group of politicians who have been willing to employ extraordinarily aggressive tactics in the pursuit of cuts to domestic spending. Nobody has symbolized this style of leadership more than Cruz. He led the drumbeat to shut down the federal government to force President Obama's hand on spending and has favored the Republican refusal to raise the debt ceiling. Cruz has also been a master of the filibuster, employing variations of the tactic to bring the Senate to a standstill.
This image of obstructionist governance might excite the most loyal activists in the party, but it is not a style conducive to presidential leadership and it is not a style that plays well at a national level.
Senators Ted Cruz, left, of Texas, and Rand Paul of Kentucky.
Senators Ted Cruz, left, of Texas, and Rand Paul of Kentucky.
Republicans have suffered greatly in the polls as a result of these kinds of extremist tactics. One recent poll found that four out of five Americans don't trust the Republican Party. "That's just about as bad as it gets," noted MSNBC host, and Republican, Joe Scarborough. Many Americans question whether the Republicans can govern. A Cruz candidacy would perfectly set up a Hillary Clinton candidacy by allowing Democrats to emphasize her ability to get things done and make the political system work.
Rand Paul represents a different problem: He is a politician whose rhetoric is totally at odds with the history of the GOP. Since the 1930s, libertarians have had trouble gaining traction within the party.
The reality has been that most Republicans have embraced the federal government as a permanent part of national politics. In the area of national security, the party has been a driving force behind the expansion of the military establishment since the Cold War.
While some Republicans like Paul might now rail against the surveillance tactics of the National Security Agency, the recent power of this agency was built on the foundation that Republicans built with the war on terrorism under President George W. Bush.
Neither have Republicans been a true small government party in domestic policy. Studies have shown how federal spending has grown more dramatically under Republican presidents, including Ronald Reagan, than Democrats.
Most Republicans have avoided cutting most of the big-ticket programs, such as Social Security or farm assistance, while pushing for an expansion of government in other areas, such as Medicare Prescription Drugs. Republican legislators have been as skillful at pork-barrel politics as anyone from the other side of the aisle.
Though Paul may claim he will do things differently, Democrats could have a field day challenging the veracity of such claims given the weight of history that he faces.
The weaknesses of both men—Cruz in terms of his style and Paul in terms of his rhetoric—point out how desperate the GOP is to find someone who can build a broad coalition, something that is essential for a presidential victory, particularly when Republicans will likely be facing a formidable candidate.
The problems of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie have been a huge blow to the party, and there are not many alternatives at this point who are willing to run to replace a figure who, in terms of style of governance and rhetoric, would have a better chance of appealing to voters beyond the base. This is the reason former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is getting so much buzz, as potentially the only other person who can fill this void.
If Republicans can't find some alternative and the primaries revolve around the tension between Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, Democrats will be in excellent position to retain the White House in 2016.
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Rand Paul all the way.
Cruz is a disastor.
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Lmao i love how the media is trying to create a fictional 'rivalry' between them ::)
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"Paul took a shot at Cruz,"
Because Paul doesn't want Cruz pointing out that Rand supports amnesty.
I think it's VERY MUCH a rivalry. Why? Well, let's be frank... Rand is a much better looking dude. That matters, and anyone who think a 5 ft 2, bald mitch mcconnell-type will ever be elected president is a darn fool.
If Rand gets early $ and support, Cruz has no chance. Rnd had ONE slip up - supporting amnesty - and Cruz is smart to exploit that and remind every single primary voter that YES - Obama and rand will stand side by side and let all the illegals stay. Every illegal alien that rear ends you in traffic or shoots a cop in your city (it happened in mine!) - Rand will LET THEM STAY. So will obama. So will Rubio.
but NOT CRUZ! He doesn't support amnesty - and i think it's essential that every GOP primary voter know that.
It's very much a rivalry - cruz himself is working his tail off to differentiate himself. He's a little bit of a goober, a little out of shape, could definitely use some gym time and a tan - but yeah, he's the best pick if you don't support amnesty.
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oh, come on! the debates will be a hoot! throw in Herman "999" Cain and Santorum [has he ever washed santorum off his own hands yet?] and they will be must see tv
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oh, come on! the debates will be a hoot! throw in Herman "999" Cain and Santorum [has he ever washed santorum off his own hands yet?] and they will be must see tv
HEY DON'T FORGET WINKY YOU BETCHA PALIN
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HEY DON'T FORGET WINKY YOU BETCHA PALIN
Oh better to have Obama the liar in there - every single debate performance by that slug it turns out he was dead wrong
Russia
Obamacare
Syria
nsa,
you name it. he is a worldwide joke and you make fun of palin and cruz?
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Lmao i love how the media is trying to create a fictional 'rivalry' between them ::)
Oh that liberal media is at it again.
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.. and you make fun of palin and cruz?
yes, as often as possible. ;D
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Cruz vs Paul would be like "watching a retard fuck a doorknob". -Patches O'Houlihan
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Cruz vs Paul would be like "watching a retard fuck a doorknob". -Patches O'Houlihan
You really believe Cruz is dumb? Even diehard liberals admit about how smart the guy is.
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Oh better to have Obama the liar in there
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Better how? He's not running.
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You really believe Cruz is dumb? Even diehard liberals admit about how smart the guy is.
Alan Dershowitz said cruz is one of the smartest students he ever had
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Alan Dershowitz said cruz is one of the smartest students he ever had
Yep. He is one of the liberals I was talking about.
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Yep. He is one of the liberals I was talking about.
Dershowitz may be a liberal some of the time, but he trashes the shit out of liberals a lot of the time too.
pro second amendment, pro zimmerman, anti-obama a lot of the time.
dudes all over the place.
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Oh that liberal media is at it again.
Yup if you want fact based journalism you need to Watch FOX.
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Oh that liberal media is at it again.
Pretty much.
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Yup if you want fact based journalism you need to Watch FOX.
:D :D :D :D
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Dershowitz may be a liberal some of the time, but he trashes the shit out of liberals a lot of the time too.
pro second amendment, pro zimmerman, anti-obama a lot of the time.
dudes all over the place.
Dershowitz is a liberal. And being a liberal yourself, it should be obvious to you.
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Yup if you want fact based journalism you need to Watch FOX.
Pretty much.
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Pretty much.
You are high.
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Dershowitz is a liberal. And being a liberal yourself, it should be obvious to you.
he's a liberal that trashes the shit out of other liberals frequently?
see, there has to be another name for that. Cause liberal = kneepads liberal causes.
this dude is all over the place, essentially trashing people on both sides of the aisle. Google "dersh trashes liberals" and you'll see many quotes where he attacks dems and libs on many topics.
he might not be a conservative, but he's not 100% liberal either.
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he's a liberal that trashes the shit out of other liberals frequently?
see, there has to be another name for that. Cause liberal = kneepads liberal causes.
this dude is all over the place, essentially trashing people on both sides of the aisle. Google "dersh trashes liberals" and you'll see many quotes where he attacks dems and libs on many topics.
he might not be a conservative, but he's not 100% liberal either.
Juan Williams, Bob Beckel, and James Carville criticize other liberals too. That just makes them honest. It doesn't make them "not 100% liberal." There is no Eleventh Commandment for liberals.
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Juan Williams, Bob Beckel, and James Carville criticize other liberals too. That just makes them honest. It doesn't make them "not 100% liberal." There is no Eleventh Commandment for liberals.
C'mon, BB, I know that honesty is not a strength of yours but listing 3 guys that currently work for Fox News as your examples of guys who are 100% liberal?
And then going on to say it's their honesty that makes them criticize other liberals?
For your sake, I hope you're just trying to fool others and not pathetically fooling yourself.
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C'mon, BB, I know that honesty is not a strength of yours but listing 3 guys that currently work for Fox News as your examples of guys who are 100% liberal?
And then going on to say it's their honesty that makes them criticize other liberals?
For your sake, I hope you're just trying to fool others and not pathetically fooling yourself.
Listen man, woman, or whatever the heck you are, I really don't care what you think. Hope that helps.
But to the point: a liberal criticizing other liberals doesn't make a person less of an ideologue. And who the heck cares if they work for Fox? Many good commentators and news folks joined Fox, because they're the best news and opinion network in the country.
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Listen man, woman, or whatever the heck you are, I really don't care what you think. Hope that helps.
But to the point: a liberal criticizing other liberals doesn't make a person less of an ideologue. And who the heck cares if they work for Fox? Many good commentators and news folks joined Fox, because they're the best news and opinion network in the country.
LOL. Meltdown.
Quit yer whining; It's not that you should care what I think, it's that you should be able to explain your viewpoints.
Sorry if I'm in the habit of pointing out when you're saying shit that's a little wacky. It's a discussion board so you should probably just learn to deal with it as long as you're espousing difficult-to-defend views.
Besides, you have a built-in excuse for your wacky views -- you're a religious Fox viewing senior (you likely fall right in the middle of their most populous demographic) and your views compared to that group aren't unusual at all.
BTW, Fox is the best? LOMF'ingL. Please provide a link to any non-Fox source saying anything like that if you really believe it.
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I think it's VERY MUCH a rivalry. Why? Well, let's be frank... Rand is a much better looking dude. That matters, and anyone who think a 5 ft 2, bald mitch mcconnell-type will ever be elected president is a darn fool.
but NOT CRUZ! He doesn't support amnesty - and i think it's essential that every GOP primary voter know that.
It's very much a rivalry - cruz himself is working his tail off to differentiate himself. He's a little bit of a goober, a little out of shape, could definitely use some gym time and a tan - but yeah, he's the best pick if you don't support amnesty.
THE BLAZE has a link to Cruz on CBS This Morning show yesterday, with his announcement that he's running.
Cruz looking tanner and probably 5 pounds leaner. Face lacking that bloat. Dude's been doing his cardio. Epic leanface can win the nomination. Bloat, swollen, fatface tells voters a lot of bad things about that candidate.
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This is my guy till he emplodes, drops out or whatever. He most likely won't get the nod as I suspect when the dust clears its Walker. Jeb is in trouble with the base...
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Rand is smarter and more electable in my opinion.
1.Warren
2.Johnson
3.Paul
4.Clinton
and no one else
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Than cruz...you could be right if it came down to those two after the repub bloodletting that is coming. Walker will benefit from alot of what cruz puts out. He'll agree but seem more moderate. Cruz would crush warren in any debate.....along with anybody else where the two to share a stage. My worry is that unless we get a fiery candidate, they'll treat Hil or warren with way more respect then they deserve.
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Than cruz...you could be right if it came down to those two after the repub bloodletting that is coming. Walker will benefit from alot of what cruz puts out. He'll agree but seem more moderate. Cruz would crush warren in any debate.....along with anybody else where the two to share a stage. My worry is that unless we get a fiery candidate, they'll treat Hil or warren with way more respect then they deserve.
He has a stage presence, but those longing facts, would have to defer to Warren. But as we have seen demonstrated by ratings, Entertainemt>Facts
Rafael Cruz is Fox news, Warren is CSPAN
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I think Rubio is viable and will be a strong candidate.
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I think Rubio is viable and will be a strong candidate.
Paul is best on the Ballot to me
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I think Rubio is viable and will be a strong candidate.
He's very smart and his idea's translate easier then Cruz
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Paul is best on the Ballot to me
Then why did you list Warren as your no. 1 choice? Are you just talking about the Republican ballot?
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I don't have a problem with him either...but its to early
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He's very smart and his idea's translate easier then Cruz
He's less polarizing and probably more electable.
I don't have a problem with Cruz, but I don't see him making it out of the primary.
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I think Rubio is viable and will be a strong candidate.
Rubio was a tea party darling that COMPLETELY lost the base by waffling twice on Amnesty.
Plus, when you see Rubio and Cruz side by side - Rubio doesn't have that serious gravitas that Crux does, even though their experience is similar. Rubio still cracks a smile when he's challenged/nervous. Rubio still sips water compulsively when nervous. People lose those nervous ticks with experience, but the 1st time around, Rubio is going to do those things.
I don't want the GOP nominee spilling his water during debate with Hilary. I don't want the GOP nominee sweating profusely during every campaign stop. I don't want to see the GOP nominee smiling at inappropriate times, because it means he'll first smile and sweat when debating with other world leaders.
Cruz has garvitas. Rand has it, remarkably young. Jeb has it. Christie has it. RUBIO doesn't have it, Martinez doesn't have it. They giggle nervously, try to please, and smile too big, too fast. &guy to please.
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Walker will benefit from alot of what cruz puts out
IMO, walker will have too many skeletons in his closet.
Rubio won't, Cruz won't, Rand won't. Jeb and Christie will. And walker? He was on the phone with a prank caller that he thought was one of the Koch brothers. On this phone call, Walker admitted he thought about planting inciters into a non-violent crowd to make it rowdy so he could break it up, but thought he'd get caught, so he did not.
If Walker will get on the phone with a non-confirmed person, and admit he thought about endangering American lives to help out his political goals - then I bet he has a dump truck of other skeletons.
This info is for everyone but beach bum. I've linked him to audio of the phone call repeatedly, but he refuses to accept Walker stepped in dog shit on this one lol.
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Rubio still sips water compulsively when nervous.
I would ask you for proof of this, other than his State of the Union response two years ago, but I'll just skip to the part where I call you a compulsive liar. "Compulsive liars bend the truth about everything, large and small."
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Then why did you list Warren as your no. 1 choice? Are you just talking about the Republican ballot?
Republican Ballot.
Warren is best to me. But as far as GOP.. Paul (like is dad) is just more practical in my opinion. Not as ideological as the others. I admit, i dont know enough about Jeb
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THE only reason I'd want Christie is because of the debates...that shit would be must watch. I think he'd hit Hil with a chair.
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I would ask you for proof of this, other than his State of the Union response two years ago, but I'll just skip to the part where I call you a compulsive liar. "Compulsive liars bend the truth about everything, large and small.
I haven't seen him give a national speech on that level since.
Dude, stop rubber-stamp defending every republican. It's OKAY to admit there are chinks in your armor. It is OKAY to admit the GOP field isn't perfect, admit their flaws, and support the one you think will do the best job.
imagine you arguing sports lol... "Tom Brady is awesome, he threw for 1500 TDs last year... zero INT... anyone who argues is a hater"...
LOL it's fine to say "Hey, rubio did look nervous that day, he did lack the style and grace we'd see from a Rudy or Bob Dole or Bush Sr - that serious vibe that he can't be rattled.
Shit man, it's going to be a long election season if you cannot admit flaws with your own candidates. People look at "my candidates do no wrong!" and they know the person is full of shit. Much better to say "Hey, XYZ has his flaws, but he will fix america, and this is why..."
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THE only reason I'd want Christie is because of the debates...that shit would be must watch. I think he'd hit Hil with a chair.
LOL...
Christie loses his shit after he's spent the morning in the spa and enjoyed a great lunch.
I wanna see Christie after 15 months on the campaign trail, sleeping on buses, living on Diet Red Bull, when he's down 7 points and the donors stop giving... he'll be calling a teacher "a smelly back of c*nts" before too long.
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Republican Ballot.
Warren is best to me. But as far as GOP.. Paul (like is dad) is just more practical in my opinion. Not as ideological as the others. I admit, i dont know enough about Jeb
I think Rand will have trouble running a national campaign just like his dad. I like his approach and ideas to many things, but he lacks the charisma to really light a fire under people. That shouldn't matter, but in presidential elections it does.
I also don't like the fact he met with Al Sharpton. Major demerit in my book.
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THE only reason I'd want Christie is because of the debates...that shit would be must watch. I think he'd hit Hil with a chair.
I would love to see Fat Man in the debates. :)
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I haven't seen him give a national speech on that level since.
Dude, stop rubber-stamp defending every republican. It's OKAY to admit there are chinks in your armor. It is OKAY to admit the GOP field isn't perfect, admit their flaws, and support the one you think will do the best job.
imagine you arguing sports lol... "Tom Brady is awesome, he threw for 1500 TDs last year... zero INT... anyone who argues is a hater"...
LOL it's fine to say "Hey, rubio did look nervous that day, he did lack the style and grace we'd see from a Rudy or Bob Dole or Bush Sr - that serious vibe that he can't be rattled.
Shit man, it's going to be a long election season if you cannot admit flaws with your own candidates. People look at "my candidates do no wrong!" and they know the person is full of shit. Much better to say "Hey, XYZ has his flaws, but he will fix america, and this is why..."
Then why did you say "still" you compulsive liar?
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I think Rand will have trouble running a national campaign just like his dad. I like his approach and ideas to many things, but he lacks the charisma to really light a fire under people. That shouldn't matter, but in presidential elections it does.
I also don't like the fact he met with Al Sharpton. Major demerit in my book.
interesting...but thats a different topic for a different time
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I also don't like the fact he met with Al Sharpton. Major demerit in my book.
I can't stand sharpton and hope he eats a bag of dicks.
but
I think it's a GOOD move for Rand to meet with people of ALL perspectives. Even if they're idiots - they are americans. ;)
Presidents don't just serve non-idiots they agree with... they also serve disagreeable idiots.
ANd politically, if Rand is endorsed by Shapton, he gains millions of votes in many key areas.
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Then why did you say "still" you compulsive liar?
100% of the time, Marco Rubio sips water compulsively during state of union speeches.
Every time he gives the speech, he drinks water nonstop out of nervous anxiety. He's no Joni Ernst. Why are you wiggin'?
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interesting...but thats a different topic for a different time
It's all part of why he should or should not be the nominee and the president.
I question the judgment of anyone who lets Al Sharpton in the door.
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I can't stand sharpton and hope he eats a bag of dicks.
but
I think it's a GOOD move for Rand to meet with people of ALL perspectives. Even if they're idiots - they are americans. ;)
Presidents don't just serve non-idiots they agree with... they also serve disagreeable idiots.
ANd politically, if Rand is endorsed by Shapton, he gains millions of votes in many key areas.
Rand has made it a point to highlight the Drug Wars execution, arrests, and unequal sentencing for similar crimes. But we know around here...thats just a myth. But that's one of the reasons he confers people outside of "The Bubble"
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I can't stand sharpton and hope he eats a bag of dicks.
but
I think it's a GOOD move for Rand to meet with people of ALL perspectives. Even if they're idiots - they are americans. ;)
Presidents don't just serve non-idiots they agree with... they also serve disagreeable idiots.
ANd politically, if Rand is endorsed by Shapton, he gains millions of votes in many key areas.
And this is why you should never talk politics with anyone in real life.
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100% of the time, Marco Rubio sips water compulsively during state of union speeches.
Every time he gives the speech, he drinks water nonstop out of nervous anxiety. He's no Joni Ernst. Why are you wiggin'?
Shut up you lying troll. ::)
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And this is why you should never talk politics with anyone in real life.
Do you believe presidents should ONLY meet with people they agree with, who aren't idiots?
And they should only work to help make a better country for non-idiots who support them, right? Lol, okay, Mr. Romney!
Look dude, a candidate that actually looks like he/she gives a shit about all americans will win the election. This crap about "I refuse to meet with anyone I disagree with" means they only get the same 47% of voters.
Close-minded thinking, dude.
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Do you believe presidents should ONLY meet with people they agree with, who aren't idiots?
And they should only work to help make a better country for non-idiots who support them, right? Lol, okay, Mr. Romney!
Look dude, a candidate that actually looks like he/she gives a shit about all americans will win the election. This crap about "I refuse to meet with anyone I disagree with" means they only get the same 47% of voters.
Close-minded thinking, dude.
Who said that? You are such a friggin troll. ::)
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Who said that? You are such a friggin troll. ::)
Na bruh that the logical conclusion to your stance on him meeting with Sharpton
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Who said that? You are such a friggin troll. ::)
remember romney's famous 47% hidden camera speech?
Personally, I like when a leader meets with idiots, with enemies, with adversaries. Learn them better. Learn their point of view. Learn to convert and/or defeat them.
A thousand battles, a thousand victories. - Sun Tzu
Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories.
Rand can learn more about defeating a future political adversary in Sharpton by meeting with him, than he can be reading about him on WIKI lol.
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Na bruh that the logical conclusion to your stance on him meeting with Sharpton
No, it's not the logical conclusion.
There are some people who have no business being involved in public policy, who should not be White House advisors, etc. Al Sharpton is one of them. Any company leader that lets him in the door should be fired.
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No, it's not the logical conclusion.
There are some people who have no business being involved in public policy, who should not be White House advisors, etc. Al Sharpton is one of them. Any company leader that lets him in the door should be fired.
Would you be as upset if Cruz Met with Beck?
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Would you be as upset if Cruz Met with Beck?
Upset? Nah. But why should he meet with Beck?
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Upset? Nah. But why should he meet with Beck?
well there you have it
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well there you have it
Have what?
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Have what?
your opinion
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your opinion
Ok. Whatever.
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It's that kind of groupthink close-mindedness that have given republicans 2 narrow wins in the last 6 POTUS election.
"You shouldn't meet with idiots or people you don't agree with or jerks or people that to lib shit".
One could argue a potential president could learn more about defeating or converting future enemies/adversaries by meeting them and learning how they tick, what they want, etc. Aside from that, if you want to be president, you are going to represent all 300 million americans, not just the 120 million that are conservatives. It's not "us against them". It's "US against the WORLD" and the prez' job is to bring them together (at least it should be). Bush actually did a decent job of it early on. Shithead clinton did too. Reagain did.
"I don't like a presidential potential because he met with someone I don't like"...
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It's that kind of groupthink close-mindedness that have given republicans 2 narrow wins in the last 6 POTUS election.
"You shouldn't meet with idiots or people you don't agree with or jerks or people that to lib shit".
One could argue a potential president could learn more about defeating or converting future enemies/adversaries by meeting them and learning how they tick, what they want, etc. Aside from that, if you want to be president, you are going to represent all 300 million americans, not just the 120 million that are conservatives. It's not "us against them". It's "US against the WORLD" and the prez' job is to bring them together (at least it should be). Bush actually did a decent job of it early on. Shithead clinton did too. Reagain did.
"I don't like a presidential potential because he met with someone I don't like"...
Silence troll. It's people like you who voted for Obama that gave us Obama the last two elections.
So I probably will vote dem. i'd love to see Obama choose a Wes Clark for a running mate, or a Jim Webb, possibly more likely, for strong military and defense credibility.
My whole family - all Republicans - are voting Obama. i'm driving them to the station later - buying everyone dinner - making it a real family event.
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i make a point which is part of our debate. you attack me. sheesh. aren't you a moderator? LMAO..
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i make a point which is part of our debate. you attack me. sheesh. aren't you a moderator? LMAO..
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i make a point which is part of our debate. you attack me. sheesh. aren't you a moderator? LMAO..
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brahahahaha
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i make a point which is part of our debate. you attack me. sheesh. aren't you a moderator? LMAO..
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