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its a towel my traps are too big to comfortably support the bar :P
Sorry, man. I deleted my post because I didn't want to be a jerk. You are a cool dude. By the way, I have huge traps and don't use a pad ;D.
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Nice deep squats Big Ro, how much weight?
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What are your best lifts BigRo?
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205kg there today...
guess I,m just a pussy with the towel but I do feel it takes pressure off the vertebra.
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Looks like a small gym. What do you weigh now?
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This is my most local joint, aye its small. Weights around 265lbs.
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That point at the bottom, where your hips come up before the bar is where I get into trouble and the reason that I have basically completely pussied out of squats. I always do something to hurt myself, even at homo weights.
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are you tight, maybe some flexibility work will help?
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good one
have you considered doing without the belt but within a power frame ?
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You got a big ass like a 200 pound fat black big mama.
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I always end up hurting my back squatting, never again, I have had an MRI last December, I have bulging discs L4 &5.
Not putting a bar across my shoulders ever agin.
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are you tight, maybe some flexibility work will help?
I have been working with two coaches on my hip mobility. I am clearly APT, but I have poor motor patterns to overcome. 30 years of squatting wrong. :(
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It always amazes me how spoiled we are in the USA with our gyms. Remember watching the great Doz's training video and amazed at how small his gym was and the shit hours that they were open. Here we have Golds, Powerhouse, World, that are the size of a warehouse and open 24/7. Ro looking swole maybe the gym looks small because he's so big.
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I always end up hurting my back squatting, never again, I have had an MRI last December, I have bulging discs L4 &5.
Not putting a bar across my shoulders ever agin.
I have fully herniated L4&5
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205kg there today...
guess I,m just a pussy with the towel but I do feel it takes pressure off the vertebra.
I have pipe insulation on my cambered squat bar. Couldn't care less if I'm not "hardcore"
Comfort is key
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i used to break my head about proper squat form
then i realized, there is only one way possible
down and back up
Working with the Westside guys, they are all about squatting to a box. The "sit back" motor patterns certainly help, but I am a tall, lanky guy with a weak low back from constant injury. Baby steps. Meanwhile, I like split-squats and lunges (no homo).
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I have pipe insulation on my cambered squat bar. Couldn't care less if I'm not "hardcore"
Comfort is key
That manta ray blue plastic thing was great too. have not seen one of them in a while. That was the most comfortable way for me to squat because i used to get the biggest bruise across my traps every week with just the bar.
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Working with the Westside guys, they are all about squatting to a box. The "sit back" motor patterns certainly help
I done this almost exclusively for over a year. Rarely have any back issues.
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That manta ray blue plastic thing was great too. have not seen one of them in a while. That was the most comfortable way for me to squat because i used to get the biggest bruise across my traps every week with just the bar.
I only got to try that a few times. I was definitely comfortable, but I have a long torso and tended to need to keep the bar a little lower on my back so I didn't like the overall feel.
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I just wish that I could look forward to squats with anything other than dread.
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I just wish that I could look forward to squats with anything other than dread.
Box squatting changed that for me......
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Working with the Westside guys, they are all about squatting to a box. The "sit back" motor patterns certainly help, but I am a tall, lanky guy with a weak low back from constant injury. Baby steps. Meanwhile, I like split-squats and lunges (no homo).
It works, but it takes the quads pretty much out of the motion so it ends up being all hips & hamstrings. Good for squatting heavy weights, terrible for aesthetics.
I'd stick to split squats if you're tall and have a history of back problems
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I occasionally do Zercher squats (but not as heavy as this guy). 315 for reps is brutal.
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westside ::)
this is gonna end up with you squatting a ton of weight and having relatively low returns on the area you want to develop
loui simmons even said it himself that the way to squat maximal weights does very little for quad development around the knee, it's more around the hips and ass
louie simmons said that "the guys with the most impressive development close to the knees are the worst squatters"
so there you go
west side will transform you in a human fork lift
high bar deep squats with a moderate weight and impeccable form is much more beneficial for abodybuilder
AT LEAST THOSE ARE MY SENTIMENTS, TRULY INDEED
I agree. I was just working with the Westside guys because a.) I had access and b.) I used to think a HAD TO squat.
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westside ::)
this is gonna end up with you squatting a ton of weight and having relatively low returns on the area you want to develop
loui simmons even said it himself that the way to squat maximal weights does very little for quad development around the knee, it's more around the hips and ass
louie simmons said that "the guys with the most impressive development close to the knees are the worst squatters"
so there you go
west side will transform you in a human fork lift
high bar deep squats with a moderate weight and impeccable form is much more beneficial for abodybuilder
AT LEAST THOSE ARE MY SENTIMENTS, TRULY INDEED
Development isn't everyone's primary goal. Athletic performance is helped with this style of training. But yes, I still mix in other forms of squatting - split squats, front squats, etc...
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looks like a great way to destroy your spine
No more so than back squats
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did you not see the crazy movement he was doing lol
I do back squats and Zercher squats. Neither will "destroy your spine" if performed correctly. You should try an exercise before criticizing it.
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It always amazes me how spoiled we are in the USA with our gyms. Remember watching the great Doz's training video and amazed at how small his gym was and the shit hours that they were open. Here we have Golds, Powerhouse, World, that are the size of a warehouse and open 24/7. Ro looking swole maybe the gym looks small because he's so big.
I made my best gains in a small personal training gym!
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westside ::)
this is gonna end up with you squatting a ton of weight and having relatively low returns on the area you want to develop
loui simmons even said it himself that the way to squat maximal weights does very little for quad development around the knee, it's more around the hips and ass
louie simmons said that "the guys with the most impressive development close to the knees are the worst squatters"
so there you go
west side will transform you in a human fork lift
high bar deep squats with a moderate weight and impeccable form is much more beneficial for abodybuilder
AT LEAST THOSE ARE MY SENTIMENTS, TRULY INDEED
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You forgot that they do suited squats, the mechanics are completely different. Training for maximal raw strength will hit quads hard, it's impossible not to. The westside guys stand ridiculously wide and sit back, you "can't" squat like that raw. And you will not hit any kind of below parallel like that.
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Loose the do-rag Home Slice.
Loose the towel on the bar.
Change the god damn radio station. >:(
Excellent quads. Carry on.
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do rag home slice?
I will keep the towel and keep my upper spine happy
thought that tune was decent
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I always end up hurting my back squatting, never again, I have had an MRI last December, I have bulging discs L4 &5.
Not putting a bar across my shoulders ever agin.
Ouch, does it give you much grief nowadays still?
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so it's still true that narrow high bar squats are best right? (for bodybuilding)
Yeah, though genetics determine most everything in bb. :D If you have the genetics any kind of squats will probably work great. You have great quads... so what's the secret? Or maybe the ones with a great bodypart are the worst people to ask for advice on that particular bodypart? :D
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do rag home slice?
I will keep the towel and keep my upper spine happy
thought that tune was decent
:)
I dont know about the dorag
but
perhaps thinning the towel might keep you in closer touch with the bar and tell you quicker when it is overloaded for that moment in time. I used to use a towel but it assisted the temptation to keep the bar too high up the spine when I realy ought to have been resting it on the upper traps. Not having a towel also got me to be more aware of how I was gripping the bar rather than delegate that responsibility to a towel. As I am sure you already know the absolute weight lifted, no matter how satisfying to have achieved is only a part in the whole movement. Have you considered building your self a powerframe at home? old ESB poles are great for this
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I need a do-rag.
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home or take away?
sliced or diced?
Home, pls.
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I dont know about the dorag
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perhaps thinning the towel might keep you in closer touch with the bar and tell you quicker when it is overloaded for that moment in time. I used to use a towel but it assisted the temptation to keep the bar too high up the spine when I realy ought to have been resting it on the upper traps. Not having a towel also got me to be more aware of how I was gripping the bar rather than delegate that responsibility to a towel. As I am sure you already know the absolute weight lifted, no matter how satisfying to have achieved is only a part in the whole movement. Have you considered building your self a powerframe at home? old ESB poles are great for this
If my shoulders are loose it is easier to do it with the naked bar but I am mindful always of its placing on my back and my grip too. I train in a bigger and better gym 20miles away with power rack.
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It always amazes me how spoiled we are in the USA with our gyms. Remember watching the great Doz's training video and amazed at how small his gym was and the shit hours that they were open. Here we have Golds, Powerhouse, World, that are the size of a warehouse and open 24/7. Ro looking swole maybe the gym looks small because he's so big.
MOS did some of his nastiest work in this little place for several years. Place smelled of rust, iron and sweat.....produced some big powerful folks.
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this is december 2011 where i was lifetime natural. at this point only thing i ever did for legs was high bar full squats, 3-5 reps
i got scared of breaking my back so didnt squat again after juicing up
Those are some excellent quads. So in your case the secret was squats only in the "powerlifting" rep range. Who said low rep squatting doesn't build quads?
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This is OT but anyone here try barbell hack squats? I tried it for fun a couple of times last week, pulled 600lbs.
Like this
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/9/0/904e9-hack780.jpg)
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Working with the Westside guys, they are all about squatting to a box. The "sit back" motor patterns certainly help, but I am a tall, lanky guy with a weak low back from constant injury. Baby steps. Meanwhile, I like split-squats and lunges (no homo).
I think these guys are bullshitting you, but let me know if, in a year or two, it's actually helped.
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i think no one is arguing with effectiveness
only with risks
putting all that weight on your spine cant be good :-X i mean what if the spine is not entirely straight to begin with
It's not completely safe but what is? And there will be wear and tear over time even if there is no acute injury. But then again those who don't load their spine at all also end up with bad backs... happens all the time. Doing some squats and deadlifts might protect against a bad backs simply because the muscculature is strong enough to handle daily sedentary activities without breaking down due to weakness.
The people I know with the worst back problems never squat or deadlift.
I know I start getting sciatica and back pain if I stop deadlifting and squatting. I have to keep training to keep the back from acting up.
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I have fully herniated L4&5
I feel for you, mines bad enough.
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It always amazes me how spoiled we are in the USA with our gyms. Remember watching the great Doz's training video and amazed at how small his gym was and the shit hours that they were open. Here we have Golds, Powerhouse, World, that are the size of a warehouse and open 24/7. Ro looking swole maybe the gym looks small because he's so big.
We are spoiled! One gym I go to is 17k sq ft and the other is over 10k.
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We are spoiled! One gym I go to is 17k sq ft and the other is over 10k.
Yet you still have a girls hands.
PS Sorry, thought you were whitewidow. :-[ ;D
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Yet you still have a girls hands.
PS Sorry, thought you were whitewidow. :-[ ;D
Haha we have the same initials. I do moisturize often. ;)
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You forgot that they do suited squats, the mechanics are completely different. Training for maximal raw strength will hit quads hard, it's impossible not to. The westside guys stand ridiculously wide and sit back, you "can't" squat like that raw. And you will not hit any kind of below parallel like that.
Exactly. It's nice to read commentary from folks who know something about that which they speak.
"Sitting back" is a great thought, and applicable, to some degree, for every squatter, but for the non-suited, non-mono-lifting, non-super-wide-stance trainer, that application will be much less pronounced.
As said above, a very strong squatter, one who does the movement raw (or without a suit, at least), will almost always have impressive quad/low-quad development.
As usual, Louie speaks only in terms only 100 percent applicable to his club and how he and his athletes perform exercises.
(Also make note that he believes drug-free lifting is a waste of time. Oh brother.)
For all he and his club have done for powerlifting, they have have also wounded the sport in equal measure.
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It's not completely safe but what is? And there will be wear and tear over time even if there is no acute injury. But then again those who don't load their spine at all also end up with bad backs... happens all the time. Doing some squats and deadlifts might protect against a bad backs simply because the muscculature is strong enough to handle daily sedentary activities without breaking down due to weakness.
The people I know with the worst back problems never squat or deadlift.
I know I start getting sciatica and back pain if I stop deadlifting and squatting. I have to keep training to keep the back from acting up.
Gee, I like you, man (no homo, ha, ha). You know the deal.
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Gee, I like you, man (no homo, ha, ha). You know the deal.
Van Bilderass is the most knowledgeable guy on this site.
Anything on training, diet, drugs, supplements etc. He's the man.
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bro... you're one of the smaller guys around here
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I have fully herniated L4&5
Can't squat heavy anymore because of 25 years of the bar digging into C6-C7. I had massive neck pain for year because I was so stubborn. I use a manta ray now which helps, but still cannot go above 275lbs. I really miss it, hard/heavy/high rep squats is my favorite, most effective mass building exercise.
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bro... you're one of the smaller guys around here
oh really? what do you look like?
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You got a big ass like a 200 pound fat black big mama.
Does that turn you on?
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Exactly. It's nice to read commentary from folks who know something about that which they speak.
"Sitting back" is a great thought, and applicable, to some degree, for every squatter, but for the non-suited, non-mono-lifting, non-super-wide-stance trainer, that application will be much less pronounced.
As said above, a very strong squatter, one who does the movement raw (or without a suit, at least), will almost always have impressive quad/low-quad development.
As usual, Louie speaks only in terms only 100 percent applicable to his club and how he and his athletes perform exercises.
(Also make note that he believes drug-free lifting is a waste of time. Oh brother.)
For all he and his club have done for powerlifting, they have have also wounded the sport in equal measure.
Seriously.
I would cringe when I saw raw lifters try to do a shirted bench groove or box squat like they were wearing briefs and squatting in a monolift (wide stance without briefs chews up the hips like nothing else)
Box squats are good for BBing imo as an occasionaly change in pace - if they're done as close to a regular squat as possible, not maximizing the leverage and using the posterior chain and briefs to lifts the weight back up. Nice low box, sit right down, keep tight and squeeze back up without buttwinking.
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i came to the conclusion that for all the cues, theories, and technique stories out there
squatting is just putting a bar on your traps, sitting down and standing back up while keeping the lower back flat
thats it
Yeah keeping it simple is better than worrying about minor details like foot angle and eye gaze. People like to make stuff way too complicated, it's always a laugh when you hear people discussing the "complexities" of deadlifting...
Saying that, there are two main variations of the squat. The high bar, with the bar resting on the traps, torso remaining vertical and depth being easy to reach. This style is beneficial for developing and strengthening the quads and for maintaining an upright torso under load (e.g. Olympic lifting, Strongman etc):
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The low bar squat has the bar "clamped" along the rear delts, with more of a forward lean in the movement and the hips sitting back. This style is benefits the posterior chain moreso and in most (not all) is better for lifting heavier weights:
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Both styles are simply variations of the squat and very often a hybrid of the two is best for many.
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From what part of the feet do you push off from, heels, balls of toes, or combo of both?
As an aside, the problems with squatting come from simply going to heavy, the proverbial "Ego Lifting."
If we just stayed within ourselves, these back problems would be rare.
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From what part of the feet do you push off from, heels, balls of toes, or combo of both?
As an aside, the problems with squatting come from simply going to heavy, the proverbial "Ego Lifting."
If we just stayed within ourselves, these back problems would be rare.
Ideally the weight should be distributed over the mid-foot. However it is usually best for most people to try and squat on their heels.
Never lift on the balls of your feet, it will just lead to you to shift the weight forward and come up on your tiptoes.
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but the "tough guys" are mocking ro for using a towel around the bar ::)
people are knuckle heads and will never learn
When I was younger I also thought pads and towels were for pussies. I wish I had done that now.
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i came to the conclusion that for all the cues, theories, and technique stories out there
squatting is just putting a bar on your traps, sitting down and standing back up while keeping the lower back flat
thats it
for some people it's a natural movement, for some it's not
lol @ giving out random cues over the internet. what people need is someone to watch them and THEN tell them what's wrong.
if everyone had eyes outside their own head and watch reference vids as they watched themselves, there would be drastically less confusion.
great squats btw, ro
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It's not completely safe but what is? And there will be wear and tear over time even if there is no acute injury. But then again those who don't load their spine at all also end up with bad backs... happens all the time. Doing some squats and deadlifts might protect against a bad backs simply because the muscculature is strong enough to handle daily sedentary activities without breaking down due to weakness.
The people I know with the worst back problems never squat or deadlift.
I know I start getting sciatica and back pain if I stop deadlifting and squatting. I have to keep training to keep the back from acting up.
What are your thoughts on it effecting height though? I remember dave tate talking about how elite powerlifters usually lose an inch, to an inch and a half of height throughout their career. I don't want to be 5'10 when I'm 30. the extra muscle is not worth it
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I think it's fair to assume you are not at risk of becoming an elite powerlifter bullshitter.
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Big Ro is one of my favorite new guys. Solid poster, great physique and all around good dude. 8)
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not to mention huge muscles
Yeah, I went back and modified it. His physique is definitely worth mentioning.
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Big Ro is one of my favorite new guys. Solid poster, great physique and all around good dude. 8)
thanks bro
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i think its fair to say Big Ro has the best and most complete physique on GB and easily the closest to a pro card
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You squat like your appearance. No wonder. ;) 8)
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205kg there today...
guess I,m just a pussy with the towel but I do feel it takes pressure off the vertebra.
No no no youre doing it wrong. Haven't you learned by now that all that's needed to build good legs is 225lbs for reps?
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No no no youre doing it wrong. Haven't you learned by now that all that's needed to build good legs is 225lbs for reps?
lol ;)
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What are your thoughts on it effecting height though? I remember dave tate talking about how elite powerlifters usually lose an inch, to an inch and a half of height throughout their career. I don't want to be 5'10 when I'm 30. the extra muscle is not worth it
I do think there is something to it, but I don't believe it's been studied enough to conclude that it's squatting causing it directly through increased spinal compression like what happens in older age, or if it's things like other injuries, muscle imbalances, and poorer posture giving a greater illusion of height loss.
The average rate of height loss across adults seems to be 1/3" - 1/2" through middle and old age per decade.
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I do think there is something to it, but I don't believe it's been studied enough to conclude that it's squatting causing it directly through increased spinal compression like what happens in older age, or if it's things like other injuries, muscle imbalances, and poorer posture giving a greater illusion of height loss.
The average rate of height loss across adults seems to be 1/3" - 1/2" through middle and old age per decade.
Does this have anything to do with Policemen looking younger?
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I nordic Big friend. To embed just delete the "s" from the https://ww
Best regards.