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That's what I've gone and done. And now got the interview :o
It's for a divisional manager reporting directly to the MD. The only people I've ever 'managed' were sending the trainees to fetch my coffee. I've always been working directly with the clients on site or as part or with the developers.
Any of you ever done it? Took a stab at something and it came off?
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Yes.
I was new to the lifestyle of being a "schmoe." I did not know where to start, who to turn to, or what to do. However, I knew if I wanted to be the best schmoe, that I needed to take chances. I needed to take risks. I needed to put myself out there for the betterment of the bodybuilding industry. I did and it was fantastic. I am glad that I never looked back.
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Yes.
I was new to the lifestyle of being a "schmoe." I did not know where to start, who to turn to, or what to do. However, I knew if I wanted to be the best schmoe, that I needed to take chances. I needed to take risks. I needed to put myself out there for the betterment of the bodybuilding industry. I did and it was fantastic. I am glad that I never looked back.
Never had a doubt you could mate. You seem geared for this from Day 1 :D
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Never had a doubt you could mate. You seem geared for this from Day 1 :D
Thank you for your words of support and encouragement. I have always been able to count on you.
It's in my blood.
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That's what I've gone and done. And now got the interview :o
It's for a divisional manager reporting directly to the MD. The only people I've ever 'managed' were sending the trainees to fetch my coffee. I've always been working directly with the clients on site or as part or with the developers.
Any of you ever done it? Took a stab at something and it came off?
Done it twice, got the job twice...
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Focus on your skills. Lots of things are applicable.
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I've just been sent through the interview details and persons that would be meeting with me. I'll spend the weekend researching each and everyone of these cocksuckers. I assume if I get past the first stage I'll be meeting with The Man himself. Need a bit of dirt on him. Nothing like dropping a pic of him sucking a dummy wearing a soiled diaper to even out the balance of power a bit :-X
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Not the same, but related...
Once in the mid 90's I knew I was being severely underpaid compared to others in my field. I was essential to the department and a very hard worker... my manager knew this and valued my talent. I decided to throw the dice and told him I got another job and was going to leave the company. The very next day I received a 30% raise. It was better than sex. I found it bizarre that the manager never asked me for the other company's offer letter.
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That's what I've gone and done. And now got the interview :o
It's for a divisional manager reporting directly to the MD. The only people I've ever 'managed' were sending the trainees to fetch my coffee. I've always been working directly with the clients on site or as part or with the developers.
Any of you ever done it? Took a stab at something and it came off?
Just make sure you do your research so it sounds like you know what you are talking about when you are in the interview and lie your ass off.
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I've just been sent through the interview details and persons that would be meeting with me. I'll spend the weekend researching each and everyone of these cocksuckers. I assume if I get past the first stage I'll be meeting with The Man himself. Need a bit of dirt on him. Nothing like dropping a pic of him sucking a dummy wearing a soiled diaper to even out the balance of power a bit :-X
99% of management jobs have nothing to do with ability and everything to do with charm. google\twitter\facebook everyone you're being interviewed it find some of their interests and find a way to work it into the interview. if they wanted a skilled professional drone they would have hired an asian or an indian. It's all about showing you're not some mong that cant look anyone in the eye and belongs in a back room writing ledgers
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Awesome advice in here. With the charm part, think Sheldon Levine in Glengarry Glen Ross :D. Just not as slimy.
I'll steer the conversation away from the specifics and into territories I know more about.
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Yes.
I was new to the lifestyle of being a "schmoe." I did not know where to start, who to turn to, or what to do. However, I knew if I wanted to be the best schmoe, that I needed to take chances. I needed to take risks. I needed to put myself out there for the betterment of the bodybuilding industry. I did and it was fantastic. I am glad that I never looked back.
Yes!!!! lol
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Feel free to lie and exaggerate at interviews; it's not like they're going to check anyway. And if they do so what, you don't get the job.
A friend of mine tells me about this guy she works with who does this all the time and is always getting high paid jobs he's not qualified for. He loses them sometimes but is able to get them. ;)
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Didn't the ex CEO of Yahoo get caught without having a degree? They never check. I've got my references primed and ready and would only accept email requests which they'll email to me so I can respond back on their behalf.
I'm getting this job. Tired of kicking around with nobodies and middle management.
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Didn't the ex CEO of Yahoo get caught without having a degree? They never check. I've got my references primed and ready and would only accept email requests which they'll email to me so I can respond back on their behalf.
I'm getting this job. Tired of kicking around with nobodies and middle management.
Use Johnny Falcon as a reference.
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Feel free to lie and exaggerate at interviews; it's not like they're going to check anyway. And if they do so what, you don't get the job.
A friend of mine tells me about this guy she works with who does this all the time and is always getting high paid jobs he's not qualified for. He loses them sometimes but is able to get them. ;)
I don't understand applying for jobs you are under qualified for. that's just asking for trouble, whether it's more stress or just plain being incompetent at it. Or perhaps some people are just good at looking like they get shit done..
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Done it twice, got the job twice...
Hey RB, alex here...
No doubts, you've got that winner confident vibe (no homo).
I would say 80% of one's "score" when it comes to qualifying for xyz is confidence, plain and simple. The other 20% is execution. I've applied that rule myself to new hires and been quite successful.
Step 1: dominate the environment in an approachable way. Marking your territory with urine comes to mind but won't last more than 18hrs or so.
Step 2: Establish relationship. If you're inheriting an existing team, size out the players and approach them based on their interest and motivation factors.
Step 3: Establish confidence. Show your team that not only you can execute but that you're the buffer as well and are "there for them". This is pretty universal, applies to code douche all the way to strip club management.
Step 4: emphasis on victory. Remind the team of the "victories" and accomplishments. Share the good news and make them feel like they're part of it.
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99% of management jobs have nothing to do with ability and everything to do with charm. google\twitter\facebook everyone you're being interviewed it find some of their interests and find a way to work it into the interview. if they wanted a skilled professional drone they would have hired an asian or an indian. It's all about showing you're not some mong that cant look anyone in the eye and belongs in a back room writing ledgers
100% correct. It's all about shaking hands and kissing babies.
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100% correct. It's all about shaking hands and kissing babies.
mmm no it's not. You drunk again chief of Grappa?
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mmm no it's not. You drunk again chief of Grappa?
Depends on the field and the position. Upper management is always politics.
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Depends on the field and the position. Upper management is always politics.
Always... but I doubt "James28" is rolling into "C" level shit here.. most likely food supplies are involved. No offence James.
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Always... but I doubt "James28" is rolling into "C" level shit here.. most likely food supplies are involved. No offence James.
James is all the way "C" class. Mercedes C class. :-X
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James is all the way "C" class. Mercedes C class. :-X
Comeback options were:
- "James is all the way "C" class. Cauckomania class. :-X"
- "James is all the way "C" class. Cuntomania class. :-X"
You went with an offbase unfunny remark chief, 80's dated FFS. Just spending some time here trying to show you the ropes to wittiness.
I believe in you.
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Sick advice in this thread . No food involved though.
I got this.
And Haider. As was said elsewhere. If you need someone to do actual work, get a Paki or Indian and stick them in the back room.
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Comeback options were:
- "James is all the way "C" class. Cauckomania class. :-X"
- "James is all the way "C" class. Cuntomania class. :-X"
You went with an offbase unfunny remark chief, 80's dated FFS. Just spending some time here trying to show your the ropes to wittiness.
I believe in you.
I have much to learn.
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I have much to learn.
GodSpeed. you will prevail. I see potential and rarely wrong.
I need a replacement soon, you're #1 on my list.
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Hey RB, alex here...
No doubts, you've got that winner confident vibe (no homo).
I would say 80% of one's "score" when it comes to qualifying for xyz is confidence, plain and simple. The other 20% is execution. I've applied that rule myself to new hires and been quite successful.
Step 1: dominate the environment in an approachable way. Marking your territory with urine comes to mind but won't last more than 18hrs or so.
Step 2: Establish relationship. If you're inheriting an existing team, size out the players and approach them based on their interest and motivation factors.
Step 3: Establish confidence. Show your team that not only you can execute but that you're the buffer as well and are "there for them". This is pretty universal, applies to code douche all the way to strip club management.
Step 4: emphasis on victory. Remind the team of the "victories" and accomplishments. Share the good news and make them feel like they're part of it.
Nice post, hahaha! Good to see you again my 32nd degree brother!
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I put my name down as "Big" Roger F. Neegars, that's what my license says.
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I don't understand applying for jobs you are under qualified for. that's just asking for trouble, whether it's more stress or just plain being incompetent at it. Or perhaps some people are just good at looking like they get shit done..
I highly disagree. Unless it is a specialized field that requires specific skill or education yes; but most jobs anyone can learn in a short or moderate amount of time, just need to get your foot in the door.
Like the saying goes, it's not what you know but who you know.
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That's what I've gone and done. And now got the interview :o
It's for a divisional manager reporting directly to the MD. The only people I've ever 'managed' were sending the trainees to fetch my coffee. I've always been working directly with the clients on site or as part or with the developers.
Any of you ever done it? Took a stab at something and it came off?
The interviewer is going to eat you alive. Do you not understand, this is what these people do for a living. He will smell your bullshit, expose your weaknesses, then rub your nose in your shit like a scolded puppy.
You won't make it 3 minutes before they've figured out the gig your playing. Then the dry, unlubed, assfuck begins.
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Yes.
I was new to the lifestyle of being a "schmoe." I did not know where to start, who to turn to, or what to do. However, I knew if I wanted to be the best schmoe, that I needed to take chances. I needed to take risks. I needed to put myself out there for the betterment of the bodybuilding industry. I did and it was fantastic. I am glad that I never looked back.
^ This
There have been times when I thought I couldn't schmoe anymore. But then a spark was ignited inside me, I knew this was my destiny, to not rest until every male bodybuilder has been groped, molested or wrestled.
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The interviewer is going to eat you alive. Do you not understand, this is what these people do for a living. He will smell your bullshit, expose your weaknesses, then rub your nose in your shit like a scolded puppy.
You won't make it 3 minutes before they've figured out the gig your playing. Then the dry, unlubed, assfuck begins.
I don't know anyone that interviews for a living.
Interviewers for most businesses are just people that work there and have a stake in getting the right person on board. That does not mean they have any clue how to do that.
I have to interview people - it bores the nuts off me. 2 a day is my absolute max.
Just go in & be yourself. If you look like you'll be capable and easy to work with, that's what they need.
If you go in all aggressive, person interviewing you will be mulling over the possibilities of you being after his job in 6 months....
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I was rejected at this job interview that I had. Apparently gang rape is not a suitable example to prove that you are good at working in teams.
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Many many people who wants to get in the white collar business needs to sell themselves in the beginning of their career
No I am not talking about what goes on in hotel rooms in vegas, but they never have the experience in the beginning so they need to fake it until they make it.
And moreover, some ads are ridiculously riddled with rigid demands for expertise and experience. Many ads addresses people that don't even exist.. just to weed out the insecure people.. in the end it's your personality that decides.
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Applying for a job you have no experience for
Any of you ever done it? Took a stab at something and it came off?
I have done this.
I was an electrical engineer working telecom in the “oil patch” and was laid off a decade ago. I totally was unable to get another job and I was in dire straits.
I had interest and expertise in the fine visual arts, classical music and the like, with an engineer’s perspective. I know which forks to use at a formal dinner, which way a cummerbund goes on a tuxedo, and can go an entire evening without using one single four letter word.
I stumbled ass deep into a job with a non-profit visual/performing arts organization and foundation. I don’t nearly make as much money as I did with engineering which is a downer. I, however, am better off than many of my former colleagues. I raise funds and act as a general factotum for the foundation.
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GodSpeed. you will prevail. I see potential and rarely wrong.
I need a replacement soon, you're #1 on my list.
Je vois que vous êtes de retour. You have had this identity ready since January 17, 2010. Again, very prémonitoire.
From March 29, 2014 9:54:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time to April 7, 2014 6:20:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time…
7 days-20 hours-26 minutes- 6 seconds.
I must say, “You’ve got that ‘thing’”.
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Well done James,
Same thing happened to me when Ron headhunted me for the getbig Director of Comedy post. Up till that point my only real experience was severly owning people in the gym, and supermarket.
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Interview is tomorrow. I'm looking forward to this. Bit nervous as I want this but looking forward. Whatever happens, I'm still eating steak tomorrow night :-X
One of the guys interviewing me looks suspiciously like a fag and the woman like a dyke. Typical ::)
Thanks for the tips folks. I knew it'll be a great idea asking on here :D. If not just for the laughs tomorrow before the interview.
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One of the guys interviewing me looks suspiciously like a fag...
He looks like Lyle Alzado?
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He looks like Lyle Alzado?
He looks like Adonis :-X
I jest, I jest!
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Interview is tomorrow. I'm looking forward to this. Bit nervous as I want this but looking forward. Whatever happens, I'm still eating steak tomorrow night :-X
One of the guys interviewing me looks suspiciously like a fag and the woman like a dyke. Typical ::)
Thanks for the tips folks. I knew it'll be a great idea asking on here :D. If not just for the laughs tomorrow before the interview.
Went to an interview once with an Hr dude who was cool but two weak looking ice cold liberal bitches. You know the kind that only likes guys who are very non threatening. I knew right away I wouldn't get the job. >:(
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Went to an interview once with an Hr dude who was cool but two weak looking ice cold liberal bitches. You know the kind that only likes guys who are very non threatening. I knew right away I wouldn't get the job. >:(
Did you wear slacks, jacket, and tie?
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Did you wear slacks, jacket, and tie?
Yes but blue shirt. If it would have been pink or purple I may have had a chance. :-X
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I start on Monday :D
First week I'm flying around the various regional offices to introduce myself. Melbourne on Tuesday, Sydney Wednesday, Auckland Thursday and back home Friday. Malaysia and Singapore the week after. Took me 33 years but things are on the up and up for the former old Stourbridge Stallion.
Signed the contract on Friday.
There's also talks of making a push into the States so I'll be over there in due time. If anyone wants to train or throw hands ;)
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I start on Monday :D
First week I'm flying around the various regional offices to introduce myself. Melbourne on Tuesday, Sydney Wednesday, Auckland Thursday and back home Friday. Malaysia and Singapore the week after. Took me 33 years but things are on the up and up for the former old Stourbridge Stallion.
Signed the contract on Friday.
There's also talks of making a push into the States so I'll be over there in due time. If anyone wants to train or throw hands ;)
hah disregard my last post
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I start on Monday :D
First week I'm flying around the various regional offices to introduce myself. Melbourne on Tuesday, Sydney Wednesday, Auckland Thursday and back home Friday. Malaysia and Singapore the week after. Took me 33 years but things are on the up and up for the former old Stourbridge Stallion.
Signed the contract on Friday.
There's also talks of making a push into the States so I'll be over there in due time. If anyone wants to train or throw hands ;)
Hope you can maintain the pretence. ;D
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Nice going brother.
Globetrotter Of Peace
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Hope you can maintain the pretence. ;D
Hehe. If not, I'm done in 3 months.
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hah disregard my last post
Didn't see your last post but it's all good brother.
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I start on Monday :D
First week I'm flying around the various regional offices to introduce myself. Melbourne on Tuesday, Sydney Wednesday, Auckland Thursday and back home Friday. Malaysia and Singapore the week after. Took me 33 years but things are on the up and up for the former old Stourbridge Stallion.
Signed the contract on Friday.
There's also talks of making a push into the States so I'll be over there in due time. If anyone wants to train or throw hands ;)
Dildo salesman?
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Job going beautiful. Already managed to slowly and deathly usher my 'competition' towards the door. Bitch is leaving in November. This is too fucking easy. I'm lamenting all these years wasted on subpar jobs thinking I'm not good enough and need more knowledge whilst the only requirements were an easy smile, eye contact and willingness to spil blood when needed. And maybe a drop of ability. Even got some facetime with the CEO yesterday. Or rather, I was in the same room :-X
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Job going beautiful. Already managed to slowly and deathly usher my 'competition' towards the door. Bitch is leaving in November. This is too fucking easy. I'm lamenting all these years wasted on subpar jobs thinking I'm not good enough and need more knowledge whilst the only requirements were an easy smile, eye contact and willingness to spil blood when needed. And maybe a drop of ability. Even got some facetime with the CEO yesterday. Or rather, I was in the same room :-X
how did you get short listed for this
in the uk nowadays unless your cv is almost a 100 percent match for a role
you dont get an interview
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how did you get short listed for this
in the uk nowadays unless your cv is almost a 100 percent match for a role
you dont get an interview
Saw the job on their website and took a stab. Mind you, I spent a whole evening ..... adapting .... my CV to suit my chances for an interview a bit better. Once past HR and getting in the room with someone that actually matters, you're changes increase hugely. I also primed my references beforehand. And then pure and simple luck I suppose.
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I'll tell you what I can do. If you need these things done then I'll tell you how much I'm going to charge you. You can then decide if you want me to do these things. If I do these things, you can decide if you want to pay my price to do the next things, and so forth. And if you don't then someone else will. Lots of people need shit done.
If someone tells me to send them a CV I tell 'em I don't have one but they're welcome to write down what I have to say about myself. Wtf, you're the one asking for help. You want me to drag you out of the quicksand or not?
People who want CVs, interviews, etc, aren't in a hurry. They have some need but aren't desperate. Desperate people pay way more. You can identify them by the fact that they ask 'Can you...' and 'When/how long...' questions and don't try to fuck you around. People who have the time to watch you jump through hoops for them are going to pay far less and be a pain in the ass. Don't work for them. I'm amazed anyone does.
People applying for positions with their paperwork in hand and shoes shined to impress the guy who needs your help to begin with. What a weird world some of you inhabit. Not trying to be an ass. It's just so foreign to me it makes no sense.
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Mgmt jobs have nothing whatsoever to do with any skills (I can completely "out skill" almost every manager I've ever worked for). It does have everything to do with your clothes, ability to gab, ability to get folks to like you and your ability to challenge EVERYTHING in meetings while quietly being a complete and total yes man to the superiors of those you just challenged.
I've worked for several managers who were very gifted, glorified used car salesmen who really wore a nice suit.....they affected absolutely no positive change whatsoever in the organization but were sly enough to convince others or at least give them the impression they did and consistently and coldy discuss why others didn't.
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Mgmt jobs have nothing whatsoever to do with any skills (I can completely "out skill" almost every manager I've ever worked for). It does have everything to do with your clothes, ability to gab, ability to get folks to like you and your ability to challenge EVERYTHING in meetings while quietly being a complete and total yes man to the superiors of those you just challenged.
I've worked for several managers who were very gifted, glorified used car salesmen who really wore a nice suit.....they affected absolutely no positive change whatsoever in the organization but were sly enough to convince others or at least give them the impression they did and consistently and coldy discuss why others didn't.
ive seen a million of those guys
dont forget at how good they are at taking credit for the work of the people that they manage
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That's what I've gone and done. And now got the interview :o
It's for a divisional manager reporting directly to the MD. The only people I've ever 'managed' were sending the trainees to fetch my coffee. I've always been working directly with the clients on site or as part or with the developers.
Any of you ever done it? Took a stab at something and it came off?
In the book "Winning" by Jack Welsh, he states in most jobs, your resume' shouldn't matter. What should matter is the willingness to learn their system and not have a resume that lists multiple jobs in a short time span (paraphrasing).
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ive seen a million of those guys
dont forget at how good they are at taking credit for the work of the people that they manage
Yep, yep, yep.....don't have enough fingers and toes to count the times I've experiened it directly or indirectly. I don't have the ability to do that to other people.....it will limit my career and I'm fine with that. I care not how that sounds to others.
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In the book "Winning" by Jack Welsh, he states in most jobs, your resume' shouldn't matter. What should matter is the willingness to learn their system and not have a resume that lists multiple jobs in a short time span (paraphrasing).
Jack Welch is my absolute all time favourite CEO. 'Winning' and 'Straight From The Gut' are weekly reads for me. Got them on Kindle, iBooks and hard copy. Also looking forward to Jeff Immelt's autobiography.
My company already incorporate a lot of Jack's principles.
Must be because our CEO is an ex GE guy and worked directly with Welch
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Mgmt jobs have nothing whatsoever to do with any skills (I can completely "out skill" almost every manager I've ever worked for). It does have everything to do with your clothes, ability to gab, ability to get folks to like you and your ability to challenge EVERYTHING in meetings while quietly being a complete and total yes man to the superiors of those you just challenged.
I've worked for several managers who were very gifted, glorified used car salesmen who really wore a nice suit.....they affected absolutely no positive change whatsoever in the organization but were sly enough to convince others or at least give them the impression they did and consistently and coldy discuss why others didn't.
Very accurate observation. However, in some places, such as where I work, you're going to need skill. Sure, a nice suit and great presentation skills help, but in the end I'm responsible for my people making the numbers. It's also part of my job description to identify those people (for bonuses) and identify those that don't make the cut (for shooting). Even if I would dream of stealing others glory, I'd be laughed out of the meeting, just as I would laugh at a report trying to stick the knife into someone else. That's the difference between a company that's been around for 50+ years with their own culture and a place that won't be around in 5 years.
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Joe, if you have any other management type books you can recommend I'll be thankful. Been reading a lot of those lately and also a lot of CEO autobiographies. For motivation and ideas.
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Joe, if you have any other management type books you can recommend I'll be thankful. Been reading a lot of those lately and also a lot of CEO autobiographies. For motivation and ideas.
48 Laws of Power
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