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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Vince G, CSN MFT on January 22, 2006, 10:15:56 AM
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Now, I've been hearing Jaguar day in and day out preach about how great Pro-Argi 9 is. But everyone has been ragging her down constantly.
So after some hard thought, I decided to see how much it is actually worth. Here's what I did. I created a ProArgi 9 Ebay Ad and placed the ad online. The address is listed below
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5659027558
To be more than generous and fair, I created an ad more expensive than all of my ads I currently have. The total amount I spend on posting this ad was a whooping $5.15 compared to my average cost on one of my ads for 70 cents. This gives all the exposure for anyone to see and to bid on the ad. I also started the price at .01 reserve to make it the biggest bulleye possible.
If this product sells, I will process the order and give Judi all the money to send it out.
Can Pro-Argi 9 make the grade??? Find out!!!! :D
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
well done Vince
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But Vince, I just thought of something.
What if Jag get a phoney ebay account and runs up the bidding on her shit product...
just so she can prove you wrong?
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Now, I've been hearing Jaguar day in and day out preach about how great Pro-Argi 9 is. But everyone has been ragging her down constantly.
So after some hard thought, I decided to see how much it is actually worth. Here's what I did. I created a ProArgi 9 Ebay Ad and placed the ad online. The address is listed below
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5659027558
To be more than generous and fair, I created an ad more expensive than all of my ads I currently have. The total amount I spend on posting this ad was a whooping $5.15 compared to my average cost on one of my ads for 70 cents. This gives all the exposure for anyone to see and to bid on the ad. I also started the price at .01 reserve to make it the biggest bulleye possible.
If this product sells, I will process the order and give Judi all the money to send it out.
Can Pro-Argi 9 make the grade??? Find out!!!! :D
How many places are you going post this?
http://www.boom7.com/index.php?topic=478.msg5872#msg5872 (http://www.boom7.com/index.php?topic=478.msg5872#msg5872)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=53128.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=53128.0)
And no this is like the 3rd time I'm answering this. At this point it's cut & paste >:(
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Vince,
I don't know if this is your attempt to be supportive, ...or to try to bash me and/or my products again ???
...but I do have to state I think it is very ill-advised for a number of reasons, ...the least of which: - What are you going to do if someone requests Orange or Grape flavoured ProArgi-9?
- You are not a licensed distributor of the product
- Even if you were... you are contravening Synergy's P&P by placing it on eBay
- You are not educated about this particular product
- You are not qualified to answer questions about the product
- You have no personal experience with this product
- You are unable to provide fulfillment for the product
- Whether or not it sells, is by no means any sort of accurate barometer of it's efficacy
- Your advertising for sale, and accepting money for something you do not have and cannot provide fulfillment for IS FRAUD & LARCENY!
I truly don't understand what you are hoping to accomplish, ...or why? :-\
Is this some attempt on your part to make amends for the onslaught of unfounded & libelous statements you have subjected me to for the past 2 years? If it is, I appreciate the gesture, ...but it is unecessary. Very unecessary. Or is this some attempt to settle any questions in your mind once and for all? If that's the case, the only way to settle that debate, is to actually use the product yourself and judge it based on your results, how YOU respond to it, rather than how some anonymous web surfer responds to your ad. That, by far is a more effective barometer than anything else, because not all people have the same response to l-arginine. Listen to this recorded interview (http://www.jaguarenterprises.org/encode.htm) <--clickable link
You see Vince, a successful network marketing business isn't built upon the retailing of something you deem saleable to anonymous people you encounter. It's built upon consumers who LOVE a product, use a product, become products of the product (I'm sure you've heard that phrase before) and as a result can then gladly inform others, letting them know of it's existence and potential to meet their needs. And in that recommendation, they are able to speak knowledgeably & truthfully about both the product and the personal results and/or benefits they've received from using it. They are not order takers from Walmart where the consumer upon entering the store already knows what they want, and all you have to do it point them to the aisle in which it is located. That's what a retailer is. To introduce a new product which incorporates new technology to a consumer, there requires some interaction and education, ...neither of which can be properly accomplished through an eBay website, or any other sort of static website for that matter. Feel free to view this interview with Paul Zane Pilzer who really articulates the difference between the dynamics of a retail sale vs. a network marketing sale.
Paul Zane Pilzer interview (http://www.jaguarenterprises.org/Pilzer.htm) <--clickable link
Every single one of us have been network marketing since the age of 5, when we recommended baseball or hockey cards to our friends on the playground, ...or told our parents which cool sneakers or jeans we wanted, and we've continued to do it ever since. The only difference is some of us pick up a cheque for something we would gladly do for free.
If you have a problem with ProArgi-9, or are skeptical about it, ...ignore it. It's really very simple.
PS - I hope you were able to check into that info I gave you about Garden of Life?
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But Vince, I just thought of something.
What if Jag get a phoney ebay account and runs up the bidding on her shit product...
just so she can prove you wrong?
My account will not accept a bid without a feedback score of more than 3. Or at least I think so ??? But I'll be able to tell if its real or fake. Besides, if it is phony, then I'll get my money back by filing a Unpaid Listing Credit :D
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And I'm not trying to embarrass her at all, if I was, would I post this
http://web.archive.org/web/20050128071721/http://jaguarenterprises.com/
Tell us Judi, what is Monavie??????
You folks have got to hear the audio message for the payment plan :P
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This is very sad.
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Vince, was this pic taken of you before or after your last contest?
(http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=urkel/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=125s0n13u/EXP=1138048410/*-http%3A//www.kellie-williams.com/pics/fm3/urkel.jpg)
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Vince, I am a chemist, I formulate for companies as well as custom formulations for pro athletes.This product is just okay, nothing special trust me.It has a proprietory blend 5100 mg, of L-Arginine, some BCCAS , and some Gammo O.The product isnt some cutting edge supplement by al means.If you wanted to make the product kick some serious ass, add 12 grams of L-Glutamine, 10 grams of BCAAS, 5 grams of L-Arginine, 3 grams of AAKG,3 grams of Taurine.Then you might want ot add 3to 5 grams of KRE-ALKALYN, the best creatine ever created.Then back it up with like a 5 step time released carb, then throw in an ester to make it a 6 stage time released carb.If you wanted to put Gammo O in you could ,just to give it a lil more bang.This L-Arginine Jaguar is selling is bad, but it isnt great either.It is an inexpensive formulation with only 5100 mg of proprietory ingredients, that only 5.1 grams, that not alot .That means you might have 1 to 2 grams of L-Arginine, and maybe 1 gram of BCCCAS ,which is not alot at all.Yes the formulation I spoke about is 1000 times better, and will knock you on your as in a good way.
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And I'm not trying to embarrass her at all, if I was, would I post this
http://web.archive.org/web/20050128071721/http://jaguarenterprises.com/
Tell us Judi, what is Monavie??????
You folks have got to hear the audio message for the payment plan :P
Monavie is an Acai berry drink that was released through a different Utah based company in Jan 2005.
In the fall of 2004, at one point I flirted with carrying it because it was Acai, and functional beverages are in high demand.
After doing a little more due diligence and speaking with the CEO Dallin Larsen, and experiencing the product prior to the launch, I decided I didn't want to pursue it. It was the only product in their lineup I had any interest in at all, and decided I wasn't happy with everything I saw about their company, including how the product was manufactured, and the integrity thereof. I'm glad I made the decision I did too.
We saw a large amount of Synergy distributors join Monarch when Monavie launched, simply because they were losing patience with Synergy's delay in releasing Acai berry juice. Just as quickly as they jumped in, quite a few jumped right back out upon seeing the quality of their Acai product, and those who lacked the ability to decifer the comp plan going in (which attempted to mimic synergy's), got a quick lesson in breakage, that favoured the heavy hitter but crushed the little guy. I developed a huge downline by osmosis and spillover prior to the launch, but never pursued it, ...and redirected the url that pointed there elsewhere.
It took another year, not until Sept 2005 before Synergy finally launch her own Acai juice blend. They didn't slap it together lickety split like the other company, they instead made sure their product formulation was of the highest quality, and independant lab testing subsequently bears this out. It was a long time coming, ...but unlike other companies, Synergy didn't need the product to save it from impending bankruptcy, so there was no need to rush doing a half-baked job which so many companies unfortunately tend to do. Unlike others, whats in our bottle cost more than the actual bottle itself, ...which is something that can't be said for far too many companies out there.
Hope That Clarifies,
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/Judi-sig50.jpg)
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Will synergy products give you results like this ???
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Vince, I am a chemist, I formulate for companies as well as custom formulations for pro athletes.This product is just okay, nothing special trust me.It has a proprietory blend 5100 mg, of L-Arginine, some BCCAS , and some Gammo O.The product isnt some cutting edge supplement by al means.If you wanted to make the product kick some serious ass, add 12 grams of L-Glutamine, 10 grams of BCAAS, 5 grams of L-Arginine, 3 grams of AAKG,3 grams of Taurine.Then you might want ot add 3to 5 grams of KRE-ALKALYN, the best creatine ever created.Then back it up with like a 5 step time released carb, then throw in an ester to make it a 6 stage time released carb.If you wanted to put Gammo O in you could ,just to give it a lil more bang.This L-Arginine Jaguar is selling is bad, but it isnt great either.It is an inexpensive formulation with only 5100 mg of proprietory ingredients, that only 5.1 grams, that not alot .That means you might have 1 to 2 grams of L-Arginine, and maybe 1 gram of BCCCAS ,which is not alot at all.Yes the formulation I spoke about is 1000 times better, and will knock you on your as in a good way.
GetItOnNY,
I'm not gonna call you a liar, or a BS artist. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and for the sake of argument won't contest your professing to be a chemist. OK, so you are a chemist, ...you are not an arginine bio-chemist, and the advice you just gave is inaccurate. For one, each serving contains 12.5 grams of product (part of which is 5 grams of arginine). The remaining 7.5 grams is the glycoside rider crucial to ensuring the arginine takes the correct isoform pathway. In addition taking arginine with some of the other products you mention will cause it to respond like an ordinary protein and it's properties when isolated from it's brother & sister amino acids will not manifest. You will simply have wasted your money. That's like buying an umbrella, but keeping it closed in the trunk of your car, while you're out walking in a rain storm. Why bother using a product if you're not going to use it as it was designed to be used? You'd be better off not to even bother purchasing it to begin with, and saving the money to use on a gym membership or food.
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Will synergy products give you results like this ???
No, ...but Knny187's photoshop might. :D
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I just read the label again the propreitory blend5100mg contains, L-Arginine, L-Leucine, L-Isoleucine, L-Valine Gamm O ,and Trans Feulic Acid .It does not contain 5000 mg of L-Arginine it contains 5100mg of these 6 diffrent components.I didnt say the product was bad it is just okay, nothing special, nothing cutting edge.This product except for the Gamma O, is like 1990 technology.I work with alot of pro athletes, if you dont beleive my formulations dont work, ask Troy Alves, or even Gustavo Badell about me.I was the first company to come out with time released protein 1995, first first Calcium Pyruvate, 1996, the first time released L-Glutamine 1998, just ot name a few.Jaguar I have read your post, and you seem very noledgeable.But when it comes to formulations, trust, me, I am one of the best in the industry.
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Where on this label does it say it contains 5 grams of L-Arginine?I see a proprietory blend containing 5100 mg including L-Arginine .Is the label not telling the truth?
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Another thing, why just L-Arginine, why not add AAKG, Its more effective then L-Arginine, increases NO into the muscle belly when used with l-Arginine?Also why so little branched chain Amino Acids?Why not put 5 to 8 grams of BCCCAS in there to make it kick ass? What about Alpha Lapoic Acid? Why only chromium alone?You could also throw some Vanadium Citrate in there to really get them carbs rolling.Like I said before the product is okay it just has alot of gaps in it.
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Another thing, why just L-Arginine, why not add AAKG, Its more effective then L-Arginine, increases NO into the muscle belly when used with l-Arginine?Also why so little branched chain Amino Acids?Why not put 5 to 8 grams of BCCCAS in there to make it kick ass? What about Alpha Lapoic Acid? Why only chromium alone?You could also throw some Vanadium Citrate in there to really get them carbs rolling.Like I said before the product is okay it just has alot of gaps in it.
Could you elaborate on your background a bit more? I find your knowledge of supplements and how they work very poor, no offence. :)
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What knowledge did you find that I posted not very creadable?
I have 7200 hours of labtime in biochem,chemistry, and chemistry science
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I just read the label again the propreitory blend5100mg contains, L-Arginine, L-Leucine, L-Isoleucine, L-Valine Gamm O ,and Trans Feulic Acid .It does not contain 5000 mg of L-Arginine it contains 5100mg of these 6 diffrent components.
I'm not refering to the proprietary blend, I was refering to the l-arginine content alone.
I didnt say the product was bad it is just okay, nothing special, nothing cutting edge.This product except for the Gamma O, is like 1990 technology.I work with alot of pro athletes, if you dont beleive my formulations dont work, ask Troy Alves, or even Gustavo Badell about me.I was the first company to come out with time released protein 1995, first first Calcium Pyruvate, 1996, the first time released L-Glutamine 1998, just ot name a few.Jaguar I have read your post, and you seem very noledgeable.But when it comes to formulations, trust, me, I am one of the best in the industry.
I was not discussing your formulation. I believe the subject was ProArgi-9. Your formulation may do whatever it does, however, it does not do what ProArgi9 does which is to access the homodymers <sp?>. In order to do that, it would require the glycoside rider which it does not. Without it, it will not do that?
So tell me GetItOnNY, which isoform pathway does your formulation take? And how do you negate the negative effects of oral arginine ingestion. How is yours synthesized, and what is it's glycemic index? And how do you negate the horrific taste of the arginine? Try to tell me (with a straight face) that making arginine taste good is not a monumental cutting edge high-tech accomplishment in it's own right worthy of a medal, if not one's own weight in gold? Come 'on, I dare ya, ...infact I double dog dare ya? ;D
I'm refering strictly to the Pina-Colada. I do not care for the Berry flavour at all! :-X
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Damn you Vince, GetItOnNY!
I just got a manicure on Friday, ...and with all this darn typing it's chipped already.
You're getting cut & paste from here on out! >:( >:(
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What knowledge did you find that I posted not very creadable?
I have 7200 hours of labtime in biochem,chemistry, and chemistry science
It's just that the ingredients and the formulations you talk about do not "kick ass" in any way IMO. The whole arginine bandwagon, whether it's L-Arginine or AAKG or whatever is a huge scam IMO, and wont put one ounce of muscle on you.
Could you elaborate why the following formulation would "kick ass"? What would it do for me?
"If you wanted to make the product kick some serious ass, add 12 grams of L-Glutamine, 10 grams of BCAAS, 5 grams of L-Arginine, 3 grams of AAKG,3 grams of Taurine.Then you might want ot add 3to 5 grams of KRE-ALKALYN, the best creatine ever created.Then back it up with like a 5 step time released carb, then throw in an ester to make it a 6 stage time released carb.If you wanted to put Gammo O in you could ,just to give it a lil more bang."
Why would "gammo o" give it more "bang"? Do you feel gamma oryzanol builds muscle? If so, what's your evidence?
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...This L-Arginine Jaguar is selling is bad,...
I just read the label again the propreitory blend5100mg contains, L-Arginine, L-Leucine, L-Isoleucine, L-Valine Gamm O ,and Trans Feulic Acid .It does not contain 5000 mg of L-Arginine it contains 5100mg of these 6 diffrent components.I didnt say the product was bad it is just okay, nothing special, nothing cutting edge.This product except for the Gamma O, is like 1990 technology.I work with alot of pro athletes, if you dont beleive my formulations dont work, ask Troy Alves, or even Gustavo Badell about me.I was the first company to come out with time released protein 1995, first first Calcium Pyruvate, 1996, the first time released L-Glutamine 1998, just ot name a few.Jaguar I have read your post, and you seem very noledgeable.But when it comes to formulations, trust, me, I am one of the best in the industry.
Do you have MPD or was the first comment a typo?
Forgive me if I choose not to trust the word of someone who posts anonymously and claims to have 7200hrs of lab time, over someone I know who is recognized as the foremost authority on arginine, with well over 23 years experience as an arginine researcher, and one of only 3 arginine biochemists in the world. I'm done typing. Please visit the nutrition board, there are a few threads over there that already explain things you clearly are not aware of. I've got to go eat, ...and try to fix my manicure. >:(
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Yeah Vince. Bee Pollen isn't a BS product now is it. Just behold the power it packs.
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First of all Van B a friend of mine owns Gamma O his name is John.I have sen alot of good data on Gamma O and elevating Testosterone .I personally wouldnt put Gamma O in there I would put it into a testosteone booster instead.Seeing that there product had Gamma in it, I was just giving my input on what I would do.
Jaguar my formulations used several diffrent carbohydrate molecules,including Vitargo, which is fast and slow in release. I wont put all of them down because then you could copy one of my many formulations.Plus if you put ALPHA Lapoic Acid , chromium, Vanadium Citrate, and maybe some Pyruvate, ( it being a 3 carbon molecule itself) .These elements would transport the carbs and nutrients into the muscle cell To increase NO I would add Arginine, AAKG, Citruline Malate, Potasium Citrate, sodium Phospahte .Then add CO Q 10, with D-Pinotol, cinamon extract and Taurine to increase circulation to the muscle belly .
As far taste goes, you could use Sucralose or Lohan Kou, to sweeten it along with a good flavoring system .The formualtion I just put down its pretty simple yet basic.I can make them very simple to very eloborate.Do I hear a little wager maybe, lets say $1000- says I can out formulate anything you can come up with.I am not cocky, I am confident god fearing man, who knows his stuff
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I am a chemist, but I am a big man, 5'11 275 at 8% bodyfat.My hands are huge, so its hard for me to type, that why I have a secretary.That was a type o, I meant to say the product wasnt bad.The product is not bad, just not cuting edge.Here is a pic of me at taken July 2005
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It's just that the ingredients and the formulations you talk about do not "kick ass" in any way IMO. The whole arginine bandwagon, whether it's L-Arginine or AAKG or whatever is a huge scam IMO, and wont put one ounce of muscle on you.
Van_Bilderass I agree with you 99% there. The vast overwhelming majority of arginine products just flat out DO NOT WORK!!! They come with more harmful side-effects that they do benefits. I've been saying that for the past 2 years to anyone who would listen, and have told many that if they were going to use arginine, to make sure it was ProArgi9. If not ProArgi9, then nothing at all. I firmly believe that. Some manufacturers use cheap substandard Arginine HCL, and others use AKG which in the opinion of many scientists truly is not fit for human consumption. but alot of these companies throw it out there in the market, stick a cheap price point on it, and it's business as usual just the same. It's shameful. :'( And in the bodybuilding community, very few care enough about their health to even care. Thankfully, this product has benefits that go well beyond bodybuilders, because as a community, bodybuilders have demonstrated they don't care enough about themselves and their health to ensure it. :'( :'(
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I am a chemist, but I am a big man, 5'11 275 at 8% bodyfat.My hands are huge, so its hard for me to type, that why I have a secretary.That was a type o, I meant to say the product wasnt bad.The product is not bad, just not cuting edge.Here is a pic of me at taken July 2005
Damn dude....you really are a chemist ;D!!
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JAGUAR = owned as usual
she talks about the foremost arginine research scientist in the world (de wees allen) who does not have a medical degee (just a degree in naturopathy hahahahaha)
de wees allen has a direct profit venture in the country, so whatever she believes is extremely biased, without a doubt. That is not independent research.
Jag does not know shit about human physiology. She is just regurgitating the info she got from Synergy (the company that pushes ProArgin9)
jag, you're sad
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Well, at least I'm getting my 5 bucks worth... ;D
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Van_Bilderass I agree with you 99% there. The vast overwhelming majority of arginine products just flat out DO NOT WORK!!! They come with more harmful side-effects that they do benefits. I've been saying that for the past 2 years to anyone who would listen, and have told many that if they were going to use arginine, to make sure it was ProArgi9. If not ProArgi9, then nothing at all. I firmly believe that. Some manufacturers use cheap substandard Arginine HCL, and others use AKG which in the opinion of many scientists truly is not fit for human consumption. but alot of these companies throw it out there in the market, stick a cheap price point on it, and it's business as usual just the same. It's shameful. :'( And in the bodybuilding community, very few care enough about their health to even care. Thankfully, this product has benefits that go well beyond bodybuilders, because as a community, bodybuilders have demonstrated they don't care enough about themselves and their health to ensure it. :'( :'(
I think arginine, regardless of the form, is pretty much worthless for anything. I haven't seen the write-up of your product but it sounds like an even worse scam to be honest.
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I think arginine, regardless of the form, is pretty much worthless for anything. I haven't seen the write-up of your product but it sounds like an even worse scam to be honest.
that's becasue ProArgin9 is a shit product
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First of all Van B a friend of mine owns Gamma O his name is John.I have sen alot of good data on Gamma O and elevating Testosterone .
I want to see the data. Is this published stuff or some in-house thing?
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that's becasue ProArgin9 is a shit product
I believe you. Everything she wrote here sounds like total BS.
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Jag,
We all know money talks, bullshit runs the marathon.
Pics matter, words do not.
you could post some pics that show how this particular product helped people improve. Not how X nutrient production increased Y%. But pics.
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What is up with the people on this board, Jaguar is trying to seel, a L-Arginine product, then says that most of the Arginine products on the market are junk, lol.You alos said Arginine is dangerous, wow, what kind of drugss are you on.First of all you can get good L-Arginine and alot of legit companies such as myself, only use the best raw materials.Since when is an amino acid, bad for you ?If you took to much of it all that would happen is your would get diahrea.You alos AKG, is not fit for human consumption, where did you get this theory?Remeber there is diffrent grades of raw materials, I guess you did not know that. I can get pharmaceutical grade AKG AND L Arginine .So how is it not fit for human consumption?Next you will be telling me that AAKG, AND L-Norvaline are not made for human either, lol.Please show me your data and research that AKG is not fit for human consumption and the harmful side effects of L-Arginine.I know your pushing your product Proargi9 , but dont say its the only legit L-Arginine product on the market, because then your not being honest.I read the label, and the ingredients on your PROARGI9, and its just and okay product, but its 15 year old technology.It doesnt contain, L-Norvaline, it doesnt contain ALA, it doesnt contain AAKG, it doesnt contain any type of phospahtes, so how can this product be so great? I priced out this product your selling and it would cost me about $ 3.35 a bottle to including labor bottle lid, and seal.And how much are you selling it for?
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I'm going to jump in here, and I'm sure you have a pretty good idea what I'm going to say.
Gamma Oryzanol is a plant sterol found in rice bran. Plant sterols have no effect on human hormonal levels. In fact, very little of it survives the gut.
want a reference?
Fry AC, Bonner E, Lewis DL, et al. The effects of gamma-oryzanol supplementation during resistance exercise training. Int J Sport Nutr. 1997;7:318–329.
"A double-blind, placebo-controlled study found that 9 weeks consumption of gamma oryzanol at a dose of 500 mg daily affected neither anabolic hormone levels nor performance."
Gamma Oryzanol was "the next big thing" back in 1990 or so.
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This thread is hilarious!
What are your credentials, jaguarenterprises...?
Or did you just read something off something website, memorize it, then spit it back up to sell some product.
Gotta love all the internet scientists
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Tim you are correct partially, but it depends were they get the Gamma O from.If the Gamma O is from China it is junk.You can get Gamma O from Gamma O from Europe that actually has given people some decent results.I am not a fan of Gamma O myself, I prefer 4-19 Myoporacea -3 0ne dione , 4a19 DiMethyl Etiocholan 3-one19b-ol ,419-Keto-Etiochol-diene ,or 19hydroxy-Alpha -Methyl Ethylletiocholan these ingredients I just listed are not prohormones but one molecule off, but will kick your ass.If you stacked these 4 elements together it would be a pretty nasty stack of pro-steroids .It is one of the formulations I amm going to release in 4-6 weeks, along with 4 other elements.It will be stronger and more effective then prohormones, but it will be legal .For how long, only god knows
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First of all Van B a friend of mine owns Gamma O his name is John.I have sen alot of good data on Gamma O and elevating Testosterone .I personally wouldnt put Gamma O in there I would put it into a testosteone booster instead.Seeing that there product had Gamma in it, I was just giving my input on what I would do.
Jaguar my formulations used several diffrent carbohydrate molecules,including Vitargo, which is fast and slow in release. I wont put all of them down because then you could copy one of my many formulations.Plus if you put ALPHA Lapoic Acid , chromium, Vanadium Citrate, and maybe some Pyruvate, ( it being a 3 carbon molecule itself) .These elements would transport the carbs and nutrients into the muscle cell To increase NO I would add Arginine, AAKG, Citruline Malate, Potasium Citrate, sodium Phospahte .Then add CO Q 10, with D-Pinotol, cinamon extract and Taurine to increase circulation to the muscle belly .
This is also very nice, but again does not describe the isoform pathway your product takes, or how you would address the side effects.
As far taste goes, you could use Sucralose or Lohan Kou, to sweeten it along with a good flavoring system .The formualtion I just put down its pretty simple yet basic.I can make them very simple to very eloborate.Do I hear a little wager maybe, lets say $1000- says I can out formulate anything you can come up with.I am not cocky, I am confident god fearing man, who knows his stuff
A $1,000 wager? You've got to be kidding me?! Goodgrief that's about as ridiculous as the $10,000 wager 240 offered to MattC. And if you think adding a little sugar is gonna disguise the taste of arginine... Hahahahaha! Lololol You've lost your brains as well as your hair! ;D ;)
Just kidding (about the hair anyway). The chrome dome actually looks good on you. Coming from me, that's a HUGE compliment btw cause I prefer long flowing locks on a man, but your shiny head actually looks good. That can only be said about very few guys so don't get all sensitive about it.
GetItOnNy, your posting of your picture (which is very nice btw) tells me you believe the only benefit of this product is to build muscle. You make no mention of it's effects on blood sugar, or blood pressure, or the fact that it goes well beyond the creation of Nitric Oxide, into the realm of actually reversing the aging process itself, a primary aspect of ProArgi9 you have not even touched on or alluded to.
Sorry, I won't be wagering $1,000 or $1 or even 1 red cent. And don't worry about me trying to rip off your formulas. I'm not some idiot who tries to cook up batches of homemade supps and experimental concoctions to try. I only use products that have been manufactured to extremely high standards, are well tested, and have a safe history of use without deliterious side-effects. If you have no faith or confidence in this product, or the company behind it, ...don't purchase the product. It's really that simple.
GetItonNy, this is a new debate for you. For me it, is tired and stale and has been ongoing for close to 2 years now. I'm tired. Feel free to call toll free in North America (800) 756-3819 using reference # 200410# to hear about this business or reference code 402639# to hear Dr. Allen discussing ProArgi9.
Visit: http://www.jaguarenterprises.org/encode.htm (http://www.jaguarenterprises.org/encode.htm) to hear my partner interviewing Dr. Allen's about her collaboration with Dr. Clair Francomano, one of the top geneticists in the US from the National Institutes of Health and the National Institutes of Aging who found herself shocked to discover the science & technology behind ProArgi9 was infact solid. You can find out more about Dr. Francomano by visiting this link http://www.jaguarenterprises.org/DrFrancomano.htm (http://www.jaguarenterprises.org/DrFrancomano.htm)
Please visit this link http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=39473.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=39473.0) A somewhat more thorough discussion appeared in that thread. Also see the threads "Arginine" & "Media Warns of L-Arginine Use" on the Nutrition Board.
After all is said & done, no matter what your opinion: is yea or neigh, ...it will be based solely on opinion & conjecture. You, yourself will never know how good the product actually is, ...until you've actually used it and seen results taking place in your own body.
And for those who would like to try it for themselves, feel free to visit http://www.jaguar.mysynergy.net (http://www.jaguar.mysynergy.net) Click on Products, and choose ProArgi9 Pina Colada flavor. I don't feel comfortable recommending Berry flavoured. :-X
Jag,
We all know money talks, bullshit runs the marathon.
Pics matter, words do not.
you could post some pics that show how this particular product helped people improve. Not how X nutrient production increased Y%. But pics.
ok, how's this for a pic 240 ;) :-*
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/finger.gif)
If you guys are looking for a Derek Anthony or 240 type meltdown...
...sorry to disappoint you, but it's not gonna happen. I am tired tho,
not much sleep last night, and I missed my nap this afternoon, sooo...
I'm going down for a wee cat nap now, ...we'll have to pick this up another time :-*
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/Judi-sig50.jpg)
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SHUT THE FUCK UP
;D
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I wanna see this product, and if it's really all it sounds hyped up to be.
Dammit, where's BillyCarp when you need him??
Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit
Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. You are in soooooo much trouble mister.
Deep deep deeeeeeep Kaka, ...up to your eyeballs!
Just wait til I get my hands on you. >:( >:( >:(
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What is up with the people on this board, Jaguar is trying to seel, a L-Arginine product, then says that most of the Arginine products on the market are junk, lol.You alos said Arginine is dangerous, wow, what kind of drugss are you on.
Truth serum ...endogenously excreted from the conscience. Oughtta try some.
It's wonderful for restful sleep and peace of mind. :)
I priced out this product your selling and it would cost me about $ 3.35 a bottle to including labor bottle lid, and seal.
uh... would that be ...before or after the 3 week 32 step process to extract the glycosides? ::)
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The product I have just recently formulated will be the strongest and most effective NO, creatine product ever formulated.I have done alot of research and devlepoement on this product .I will be releasing it probably by Mid February, for the Fit Expo, at the Iron Man Pro.The Product will be called Full Throttle Xtreme ,it will be a limited edition product.It will retail for about $79.95, but it will be well worth it.I read in your message that PR0-ARGIN9, reverses the aging process, how so?The product doesnt contain any L-GLutamine, which increases GH up to 400% while a person sleeps.It contains no Ornithane which can also increase GH levels.L-Arginine is not the greatest amino acid, for raising GH lvels.But if you added, L-Gluamine, Ornithane, and about 5 more grams of BCCAS to your blend it would raise gh levels up to 400% .I dont cook up homemade Batches, or make things that arent to the highest potency.I have a lab, I formulate products for the 3 companies I OWN .I ALSO do alot of custom stuff for pro athletes who want the best of the best.As far as my $1000 wager goes, I dont blame you for not wanting to bet against me.NOt to brag, but my formulations are extremey strong, yet safe and effective.Alot of pro athletes put there faith in my knowledge, and trust me like you dont know.Jaguar I respect that you do care about people, and want to help them live longer healthier lives.
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ok, how's this for a pic 240 ;) :-*
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/finger.gif)
Jag, I gave you a chance to publicly redeem yourself and your reputation, which is taking a beating here.
I was being serious, too.
If you had shown us some before/after pics of those that used this product you sell, you would have likely won me over. I would have been your greatest supporter here. You could have turned the tide of negativity.
What if someone wanted to know what kind of websites I made- and when they asked for an example, I gave them the middle finger? Is that how you do business? When one asks about the quality of my work/results, I ascertain their situation/needs, and show them work I've done. I show them before/after. I SHOW them how I can bring them value.
People want results. They want to SEE what your product/service does. I show them. I give them numbers (increase the value of their firm) and visuals (examples of what their page could be).
To flip me the bird for asking for empirical visual evidence of your claims tells me you don't have any, jag. :-\
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Jaguar, I know you want to make money , thats cool, but the formulation your selling I could make for $3.25 per bottle.I buy alot of raw materials at once,like 1000 kilos of L-Glutamine at a time.Your fromulation is quite simple, and isnt very expensive to dupicate If you like I could even improve it for you
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garraeth wait until I get my hands on you, what does that mean?
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I dont want any mans hands on me, period.If they try, they better have 911 on speeed dial on there phone .It wont be pretty
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I dont want any mans hands on me, period.If they try, they better have 911 on speeed dial on there phone .It wont be pretty
careful, sunshine. I saw Garraeth once kill a man with a spacebar, just for using his RedHat utilities cd as a coffee coaster.
You've been warned.
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He said in words wait until I get my hands on you.I
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I am a peaceful person, until somebody puts there hands on me, then I will stike down upon them with great venegence.I dont start fights Ijust finish them
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He said in words wait until I get my hands on you.I
Dude, garraeth once impaled a man from www.boom7.com on a model space shuttle for saying santa claus wasn't real.
I'd write your will, if I was you. Garraeth is real.
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To flip me the bird for asking for empirical visual evidence of your claims tells me you don't have any, jag. :-\
No 240, ...it tells you that after our little chat, you should have known better. :-\
...but if you say you were being serious, and not just trying to be a little shit disturber, ok. I just realized this isn't the Nutrition board, but an entirely new board and the people here may not have heard any of this before.
To that end, I will point you towards some pictorial evidence.
now, before I give you the link, ...understand that Dave is NOT a bodybuilder by any exagerrated stretch of the imagination. He is in fact a sloth... a couch potato from Oklahoma, who has been a couch potato for quite some time. Well, ...I suppose that's kind of redundant, 'cause it will be evident enough to you when you see his pics. He lifts absolutely NO weights whatsoever, unless you count the remote control for his TV. These are his results with no weights, and no changes in his dietary habits... other than to consume ProArgi9 for less than 3 months.
The Amazing Transformation of Dave (http://www.jaguarenterprises.org/dave.htm) <--clickable link
Sorry, I have no pictures of Jolene (a woman who was into full blown menopause for 5 years who then started taking ProArgi9 and quickly resumed her menstrual cycles shortly thereafter) ...and I don't think you'd want to see those even if I had them :-X
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now we're talking, jag!
I was being dead serious.
The world should see things like this
Did this man take anything else besides Pro-Agri 9 to make this change?
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Jag you're getting your references mixed up again...I quoted GetItOnNY.
I'm painfully aware of that Dean, ...and I didn't mix anything up >:(
I dont want any mans hands on me, period.If they try, they better have 911 on speeed dial on there phone .It wont be pretty
I'm not a man, ...I'm a woman >:(
...and I'm much too little for a big guy like Dean to beat up on,
...that's why he's in trouble. Mwahahaha
wait a minute. this is the same guy willing to burn a tiny helpless, defenseless little mouse alive! nevermind :-X
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wait a minute. this is the same guy willing to burn a tiny helpless, defenseless little mouse alive! nevermind :-X
You mean a rodent who chose to enter another man's domain (house) without permission?
That Darwin guy was onto something...
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Iwasnt talking to jag, I was talking to garreth about wanting to put his hands on me.I have never put my hands on a woman and I never will physically
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now we're talking, jag!
I was being dead serious.
The world should see things like this
Did this man take anything else besides Pro-Argi 9 to make this change?
Not a thing... just the ProArgi9. I saw him in Sept 2004 when a bunch of us flew in from all over to Salt Lake City, then in early November a few of our group flew down to Orlando for the weekend, and people were just blown away. Many just walked right past him and didn't even recognize him. Later that month, there was the annual MLM cruise, the poor guy had to wear a name tag. People were doing double takes when they read his name tag and looked at him, back at the name tage, back at him. The gasps were audible, and he loved every minute of it too! His wife wasn't too happy about all the new attention he was getting, ...but he loved every minute of it. ;D
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Not a thing... just the ProArgi9. I saw him in Sept 2004 when a bunch of us flew in from all over to Salt Lake City, then in early November a few of our group flew down to Orlando for the weekend, and people were just blown away. Many just walked right past him and didn't even recognize him. Later that month, there was the annual MLM cruise, the poor guy had to wear a name tag. People were doing double takes when they read his name tag and looked at him, back at the name tage, back at him. The gasps were audible, and he loved every minute of it too! His wife wasn't too happy about all the new attention he was getting, ...but he loved every minute of it. ;D
did he change his diet?
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I wouldn't mind seeing Gareath and John "throw hands" in the backyard Jaimeex4200 style
Altho I think Garreath is bigger than John
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Jaguar, can you please post the credentials of ProArgin9's creator, De Wees Allen?
BTW, for those that did not know...ProArgin9 was developed in 1983. It is old as shit.
Its just the marketing that is new (sort of new, anyway)
besides, proargin9 is a dead product. Any info related to it was last updated in 2004
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Jaguar, can you please post the credentials of ProArgin9's creator, De Wees Allen?
BTW, for those that did not know...ProArgin9 was developed in 1983. It is old as shit.
Its just the marketing that is new (sort of new, anyway)
besides, proargin9 is a dead product. Any info related to it was last updated in 2004
Are you saying the "fountain of youth" has been available for 23 years...yet it still is shrouded in secracy?!
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Iwasnt talking to jag, I was talking to garreth about wanting to put his hands on me.I have never put my hands on a woman and I never will physically
John,
Check your vision. Dean didn't say "Wait til I get my hands on you" I said it, ...and it was directed towards Dean.
Nobody threatened you, ...until now.
Leave Vince G alone, don't punch his lights out, or I'll kick your ass hard! >:(
I can say that 'cause you just admitted you'd never put your hands on a woman,
...besides, if you were only lying, ...it might be worth it. :P
Now, ...who's gonna pay for my new manicure?
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I have never put my hands on a woman and I never will physically
Gay for pay? ;D
Sorry dude, couldn't resist. That set up was just screaming for a punchline.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Gareath and John "throw hands" in the backyard Jaimeex4200 style
Altho I think Garreath is bigger than John
hahaha! little Jamie would run like a bitch if these two guys showed up at his house ;D.......
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<LOL> Dean, you thought the same thing I did
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Jaguar I respect that you do care about people, and want to help them live longer healthier lives.
John,
Thanks for recognizing this. Ultimately, that's what it's all about.
On that note, I'm gonna go curl up with my pillow.
G'night,
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/Judi-sig50.jpg)
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Are you saying the "fountain of youth" has been available for 23 years...yet it still is shrouded in secracy?!
That is exactly what I am saying
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Dood, that really, really sux bad. Sorry for ya. Maybe 240 can give you some tips on getting a hottie.
For most guys, I'd recommend some combination of money, looks, charm, and body.
However, for him, I'd recommend chloroform and rope...
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For most guys, I'd recommend some combination of money, looks, charm, and body.
so how do you do it?
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so how do you do it?
you don't think this wit and confidence only exists for me on getbig, do you?
(I use roofies.)
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Garreth put your brain back into your head.I am married to a beautiful woman, who looks just like Tiffany Amber Thiesen.My wife takes care of all my physical needs my friend.My wife bought me a Rolex Submariner date adjust for Christmas, would did your gilr get you?
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Garreth put your brain back into your head.I am married to a beautiful woman, who looks just like Tiffany Amber Thiesen.My wife takes care of all my physical needs my friend.My wife bought me a Rolex Submariner date adjust for Christmas, would did your gilr get you?
He says on his webblog that his girl gave him a 3-way......... with your girl.
read it for yourself - > HERE (http://wsww.boom7.com)
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Who said that, 240 are you starting on me or is it garreth
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Link dont work, but he wont say it to my face, so it dont matter
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Link dont work, but he wont say it to my face, so it dont matter
You going to the Arnold Classic in Ohio this march? G is always at the JH table with Gregg Valentino. Stop in and get a pic taken with him!
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I will it aint nothing but 30 seconds of my time
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Someone get Billy Carp on here. I want to see his opinion.
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Has anyone seen Forest Vander Gump, ?
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I will it aint nothing but 30 seconds of my time
you mean 3 seconds!......Garreath is a liitle guy ::)
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Gareth is a big dude I will give him that, and he has a great physique.But if he puts his hands on me well then he is in trouble.I personally dont know the guy, never chatted or even talked with him.So I have no beef with him personally. He stated he wanted to gets his hands on me.My reply was if someone puts there hands on me they better have 911 on speed dial.I think he would say the same thing I told him I wanted to get my hands on him.I am not a small man either at about 6 ft, I am at arond 280lbs right now, by the Arnold probably 290-295 lbs so I am not a small man.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Gareath and John "throw hands" in the backyard Jaimeex4200 style
Altho I think Garreath is bigger than John
Gareth is a big dude I will give him that, and he has a great physique.But if he puts his hands on me well then he is in trouble.I personally dont know the guy, never chatted or even talked with him.So I have no beef with him personally. He stated he wanted to gets his hands on me.My reply was if someone puts there hands on me they better have 911 on speed dial.I think he would say the same thing I told him I wanted to get my hands on him.I am not a small man either at about 6 ft, I am at arond 280lbs right now, by the Arnold probably 290-295 lbs so I am not a small man.
Bro.......I haven't seen you, but I have seen Big G. I have no idea if he can fight, but do you really want to find out? I don't think it's worth it. He's a pretty thick, blocky guy, not the type you want to throw down with unless you have to.
Someone get Billy Carp on here. I want to see his opinion.
William is busy......he won't be available until sometime next week. He's working on a few projects with Scott Connelly. If he was here he'd probably side with the Chemist who said Jaguar's products were overpriced and overrated.
DIV
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I never said Garret was small or was a wimp.Like him I am a very passive person until somebody corners me or puts there hands on me.Then god help them.He stated he wanted to get his hands on me for reasons I dont know.So I responded if you put your hands on me there is going to be trouble.If he was joking its kool, if he is not, well what happens happens.Like him I am a big dude, I pack a pair of 21' arms, a 56 ' chest, and can put up 525lbs for 4 on the bench , curl 225lbs for 6, squat 705 for 5 .I am orignally from the Bronx, so I am no softy.I think this is just a bunch of B.S. if you ask me.Who knows
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Gaaret who are you refering to in that pick?are you talking to me about my internet cock being this big?I just want to know where we stand .If we are kool we are kool if we are not kool, then be man enough to let me know.I personally dont know you, but I think I met you before with Valentino in Vegas.Let me know
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I am orignally from the Bronx, so I am no softy.
Who gives a fu.ck about the Bronx when you can call a few Crooks from the Brook? :D
DIV
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You can alot of things on the streats of NYC, there is no place like it .If your not from there they you woulddnt know what I am talking about
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You can alot of things on the streats of NYC, there is no place like it .If your not from there they you woulddnt know what I am talking about
No.......I'm from Los Angeles (originally).......I wouldn't know anything about that.
Out in California they would just shoot you for opening your mouth about anything relating to "NYC". But you wouldn't know what I'm talking about.........right? ::)
DIV
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LA is rough but its about 25% as bad as the Bronx trust me on that one.I go to LA al the time, and its not that bad.As far as guns go I never owned one, and never had a use for one.Most people that use guns are cowards, my theory is if you cant beat somebodies ass dont fuck with them.Plian and simple.I have nothing against gns, I just think 90% of the people that have them really dont need them
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GetItOnNy,
You're a big guy based on the photo you posted, but for the last time, it was I who said "Wait til I get my hands on You" and the comment was directed towards Garraeth! He did't say that to you, ...I said it to him.
Folks, remember, I was the one who told you improperly formulated arginine leads to free radical brain damage. Someone is proving me right.
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My bad, my apologies to Garreth.I thought he wanted to get his hands on me, and I dont even know him.I am man enough to admit when I am wrong...Peace
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LA is rough but its about 25% as bad as the Bronx trust me on that one.I go to LA al the time, and its not that bad.As far as guns go I never owned one, and never had a use for one.Most people that use guns are cowards, my theory is if you cant beat somebodies ass dont f**k with them.Plian and simple.I have nothing against gns, I just think 90% of the people that have them really dont need them
How can you judge a whole city is 25% as bad as another city?
That's about as ignorant a statement I've ever heard.......other than this whole "Pro-Argi 9" bullshit.
The parts of L.A. I'm talking about you would need guns or allegiances to walk through......dealing with the blacks or mexicans. You would not survive it, regardless. Muscle means nothing when you are dealing with bullets running through you....
DIV
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My bad, my apologies to Garreth.I thought he wanted to get his hands on me, and I dont even know him.I am man enough to admit when I am wrong...Peace
I heard garraeth once sodomized a dude with a Palm Pilot, just for apologizing insincerely!
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Jag be nice, this tread has taken so many twists and turns, I forgot who said what. Then 240 started me going on Garret saying this and that.Jag we are both buissnes people who make a living helping peole live longer and healthier lives.For that god has blessed us
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240 shut up dont start up again, you and I are kool so lets keep it that way
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Jag we are both helping peole live longer and healthier lives.For that god has blessed us
hhahaah, yea ok. ::)
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240 shut up dont start up again, you and I are kool so lets keep it that way
I made 30 funny webpages devoted to bodybuilding, just for you.
www.240orbust.com/articles.htm
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hhahaah, yea ok. ::)
^Sebastian doesn't buy in to the "group hug" concept. ;D
I love this shit!
DIV
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William is busy......he won't be available until sometime next week. He's working on a few projects with Scott Connelly. If he was here he'd probably side with the Chemist who said Jaguar's products were overpriced and overrated.
DIV
A- hem Div, If Billy were here, I suspect he'd be supporting me like he did when he made that post "Some ammo for Jag" over at Boom7 8)
...no booty for you! >:(
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A- hem Div, If Billy were here, I suspect he'd be supporting me like he did when he made that post "Some ammo for Jag" over at Boom7 8)
I know William pretty well and he keeps it real regardless of allegiances.
If he thought the product worked he would say it, in the same way he would call bullshit if the product was overhyped or misrepresented.
...no booty for you! >:(
Don't bullshit me Judi.......we both know that what I said (sexually) intruiged you and scared you at the same time, regardless of your inhibitions. The unknown.
I have no idea what religious/spiritual beliefs you hold, but understand that in that sexual mindstate I am the "demon". That won't change. Lust incarnate personified.
DIV
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Tim you are correct partially, but it depends were they get the Gamma O from.If the Gamma O is from China it is junk.You can get Gamma O from Gamma O from Europe that actually has given people some decent results.I am not a fan of Gamma O myself, I prefer 4-19 Myoporacea -3 0ne dione , 4a19 DiMethyl Etiocholan 3-one19b-ol ,419-Keto-Etiochol-diene ,or 19hydroxy-Alpha -Methyl Ethylletiocholan these ingredients I just listed are not prohormones but one molecule off, but will kick your ass.If you stacked these 4 elements together it would be a pretty nasty stack of pro-steroids .It is one of the formulations I amm going to release in 4-6 weeks, along with 4 other elements.It will be stronger and more effective then prohormones, but it will be legal .For how long, only god knows
My God what a bunch of straight up BULLSHIT!
First you say you have seen A LOT of data on Gamma O raising test. Now you say you are not a fan. First, I want to see the (nonexistent) data on Gamma O raising test. Then I want to know why you are not a fan if it's so effective.
And those substances you mention, not-prohormones but one molecule off (LOL)?? WTF is it? It's not a prohormone but a (nasty) stack of pro-steroids?? LOL please explain what these are exactly.
I'm going to post this on Patrick Arnolds forum to see if he knows what these are.
I do know that you don't know WTF you are talking about.
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I know William pretty well and he keeps it real regardless of allegiances.
If he thought the product worked he would say it, in the same way he would call bullshit if the product was overhyped or misrepresented.
That's what I'm talking about Div. That's exactly what I'm talking about!
Don't bullshit me Judi.......we both know that what I said (sexually) intruiged you and scared you at the same time, regardless of your inhibitions. The unknown.
I'm not about to get into a discussion of sexuality here with you.
I have no idea what religious/spiritual beliefs you hold, but understand that in that sexual mindstate I am the "demon". That won't change. Lust incarnate personified.
DIV
Yawn... and that's not because I'm tired, even though I am. Demons are boring :-\
I was all tucked into bed when Garraeth called and got me up & going again.
He's great that way, ...whenever I'm comatose he wakes me up & keeps me up.
Too bad he wasn't pint sized and could sit on my night table ;D
One last post and i'm off to bed. for real this time.
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Demons are boring :-\
^Well that can't be because you're an angel, because you're not innocent by any stretch of the imagination.
We both know this, Judi.
DIV
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bump for Jag's ridiculousness
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First of a freind of mine owns Gamma O and has shown me legitmate research that it doesnt in fac t raise a persons natural testosterone levles.His name is John, and he actually had solid clinical studies showing Gamma O realy works.
As far as the pro steroids I named are legitmate names.They are very similar to the prosteroids Legal Gear has in there product line.Ours how ever is one molecule diffrent so ours is a little bit stronger, and lasts longer in the blood stream.I f you dont beleive me thats your problem I have nothing to prove to you.My company will be releasing this product on February 1st, to our stores.It will be the strongest non adro product ever devloped, and will pretty much kill andro.The problem is it will probably be banned in about 2 to 6 months once the FDA gets wind of it.The product will be called a Methyl Test Depot .
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Well we have our first bid on the Pro-Argi 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!, check it out.... ;D
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First of a freind of mine owns Gamma O and has shown me legitmate research that it doesnt in fac t raise a persons natural testosterone levles.His name is John, and he actually had solid clinical studies showing Gamma O realy works.
As far as the pro steroids I named are legitmate names.They are very similar to the prosteroids Legal Gear has in there product line.Ours how ever is one molecule diffrent so ours is a little bit stronger, and lasts longer in the blood stream.I f you dont beleive me thats your problem I have nothing to prove to you.My company will be releasing this product on February 1st, to our stores.It will be the strongest non adro product ever devloped, and will pretty much kill andro.The problem is it will probably be banned in about 2 to 6 months once the FDA gets wind of it.The product will be called a Methyl Test Depot .
sounds like a dirty steroid
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I have a product out called SuperOxy. Dont be fooled, the tub isnt empty, it actually has "enriched oxygen" air in there. Just rip off the seal and put the tub over your head, breath in deeply and you'll feel the power of "supercharged oxygen". Your lifts will go through the roof and your appitite will increase 10 fold.
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I wonder if I could sell relabelled crisco cans too :o
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I swear people are so gullible, if I could find a way to make my cats turds taste sweet I would package I would rool them in kitty litter, package them and sell them as "SuperAnabolicArgnineBeeP ollen Connection Bars"
Only available to the general public for a limited time so act now within the next 72 hours and get 10 cases, yes 10 cases for only $99.99 per case(reg retail $100)
Eat, Train, Sleep, throw in some protein powder for convenience and some vitamins.
all this other stuff beyond protein powder, vitamins, creatine products are pretty much fruit of the loom bullshit no matter what the study
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Well, two more people were bidding back and forth and now the price is up to 4.25 :D
At least no-one can say the product is completely worthless.
The big bids should start when the auction closes
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First of a freind of mine owns Gamma O and has shown me legitmate research that it doesnt in fac t raise a persons natural testosterone levles.His name is John, and he actually had solid clinical studies showing Gamma O realy works.
As far as the pro steroids I named are legitmate names.They are very similar to the prosteroids Legal Gear has in there product line.Ours how ever is one molecule diffrent so ours is a little bit stronger, and lasts longer in the blood stream.I f you dont beleive me thats your problem I have nothing to prove to you.My company will be releasing this product on February 1st, to our stores.It will be the strongest non adro product ever devloped, and will pretty much kill andro.The problem is it will probably be banned in about 2 to 6 months once the FDA gets wind of it.The product will be called a Methyl Test Depot .
This is what Patrick Arnold said when I asked him about the compounds you mentioned:
19-hydroxy steroids are precursors to estrogens. they are intermediates in the aromatase reaction.
I don't think they have any anabolic activity
http://musclegurus.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=272
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First of a freind of mine owns Gamma O and has shown me legitmate research that it doesnt in fac t raise a persons natural testosterone levles.His name is John, and he actually had solid clinical studies showing Gamma O realy works.
Are these studies available somewhere so I can take a look? Thanks.
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This is what Patrick Arnold said when I asked him about the compounds you mentioned:http://musclegurus.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=272
VanBilderNugga.......
Patrick Arnold is not the definitive guru.
Don't take everything he says as gospel.
DIV
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I know one thing for sure, the titus sex tape would definetly be worth much more than the official pro argi 9
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VanBilderNugga.......
Patrick Arnold is not the definitive guru.
Don't take everything he says as gospel.
DIV
I think it's safe to say Patrick knows a thing or two about designer steroids, if you know what I mean.
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I was in my local Natural foods supermarket yesterday to stock up on some things for my cleansing diet and I saw all this garden of life shit. I asked one of the employees if they had any comments about it and she told me that it's all overpriced garbage from a company that spends too much money on their advertizing and packaging and not enough on their research and quality of ingredients. In fact, she was quick to show me comparisons to generic brands that were 1/3 the price. Fancy terminology and marketing are the only thing different. Save your money and buy generic.
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Ok so Pro Argi makes you big and,
Vince makes you queer.
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Van, if you want to see the clinical studies on Gamma O email them and ask for John the owner of the company.He will get you all the data you want .As far as Patrick Arnold goes, he qoated he doesnt think they anabolicc activity.Basically he is saying he knows nothing about the coumpounds I mentioned.One of these compounds actually converts into Trenbalone in the body.I respect Patrick Arnold for his knowledge, and his research, but he doesnt know about everyt single anabolic compound that is out there.These compunds are very new, and in our blind placebo this product helped most of our subjects 8l-12 lbs in one month.They also noticed about 10 %-15 % increase in strength, as well as agressive behavior.One of our subjects had to stop taking this compound because he was getting crazy when he was driving. He said every day he was getting out of the car wanting to fight somebody.Most of our subjects stated, I was aggressive and snappy all the time to other people, and became irratated easily.This product is not for people who arent mentally stable or who tend to be agressive by nature.We will be releasing this product in 3-4 weeks.
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Most of our subjects stated, I was aggressive and snappy all the time to other people, and became irratated easily.This product is not for people who arent mentally stable or who tend to be agressive by nature.
Considering the title of this thread, I just thought I'd make it pretty clear that the product GetItOnNy is talking about is NOT ProArgi9. Most of you probably figured that out, but there are a few clueless who do read these boards.
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and in our blind placebo this product helped most of our subjects 8l-12 lbs in one month.They also noticed about 10 %-15 % increase in strength, as well as agressive behavior.
You actually conducted a placebo controlled trial? Allow me to be sceptical. Where was the study conducted and when will the studies be published?
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I prefer 4-19 Myoporacea -3 0ne dione , 4a19 DiMethyl Etiocholan 3-one19b-ol ,419-Keto-Etiochol-diene ,or 19hydroxy-Alpha -Methyl Ethylletiocholan
Not trying to be argumentative for my first post, but it looks like you just made up a bunch of nonsensical names here. WTF exactly does a "19 hydroxy alpha methyl ethyl" steroid look like? This must be a joke.
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Considering the title of this thread, I just thought I'd make it pretty clear that the product GetItOnNy is talking about is NOT ProArgi9. Most of you probably figured that out, but there are a few clueless who do read these boards.
So what you're both saying then is that ProArgi9 makes some people easily irritated and aggressive, and should not be taken by unstable people prone to aggressive tendencies?
Sorry, I just couldn't resist... ;D
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Not trying to be argumentative for my first post, but it looks like you just made up a bunch of nonsensical names here. WTF exactly does a "19 hydroxy alpha methyl ethyl" steroid look like? This must be a joke.
I was wonder about that nomenclature as well? Nice to see you here bill. Jaguar is claming this product is surperior to X-factor
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Not trying to be argumentative for my first post, but it looks like you just made up a bunch of nonsensical names here. WTF exactly does a "19 hydroxy alpha methyl ethyl" steroid look like? This must be a joke.
are you the steroid author? :P
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Jaguar is claming this product is surperior to X-factor
Not knowing what the fuck a "4-19-Myoporacea-dione", or a "19-hydroxy-Alpha-Methyl-Ethyl" is, it will be difficult to draw comparisons...
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are you the steroid author? :P
I am the author of ANABOLICS 2000-2006, yes.
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Ok folks, ProArgi 9's current worth is $7.50 with 5 bids.
Funny to mention that my DHEA product has a higher market value right now than the ProArgi 9..... ::)
Based on bidding, I expect it to end at around 28-36 dollars
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I am the author of ANABOLICS 2000-2006, yes.
If you're him, then could you please email me about the new wholesale prices for the 2006 book. I'm just about to clear out 2005
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I am the author of ANABOLICS 2000-2006, yes.
what brought you to getbig?
And why did you use a "underscore" in your name?
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what brought you to getbig?
I asked on Pat Arnold's board about these compounds and Bill saw the post.
I don't know chemistry but I know this GetItonNy dude is no expert. He doesn't know what he is talking about.
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Not trying to be argumentative for my first post, but it looks like you just made up a bunch of nonsensical names here. WTF exactly does a "19 hydroxy alpha methyl ethyl" steroid look like? This must be a joke.
Well as a graduate student in Biophysics with a focus on Biophysical chemistry and NMR structural determination, I can tell you with 100% certainty that "419-Keto-Etiochol-diene" does not exist. Maybe you numbered your carbons wrong and meant 3,17-Keto-Etiochol-diene, that would be energetically allowed, but not the former.
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Not trying to be argumentative for my first post, but it looks like you just made up a bunch of nonsensical names here. WTF exactly does a "19 hydroxy alpha methyl ethyl" steroid look like? This must be a joke.
I'm with you on this one buddy. As I pointed out, one of those is an energetically impossible compound. I don't know much about steroids in bodybuilding, but I know my biological macromolecules well.
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I think it's safe to say Patrick knows a thing or two about designer steroids, if you know what I mean.
Patrick Arnold knows alot on the chemist side of the house, but as far as practical application I would not say he is the definitive guru.
Not trying to be argumentative for my first post, but it looks like you just made up a bunch of nonsensical names here. WTF exactly does a "19 hydroxy alpha methyl ethyl" steroid look like? This must be a joke.
It's about time you showed up William. This boards NEEDS you, desperately.
Thanks for coming.
DIV
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Patrick Arnold knows alot on the chemist side of the house, but as far as practical application I would not say he is the definitive guru.
This isn't about him being a guru, this was about knowing your chemistry.
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Patrick Arnold knows alot on the chemist side of the house, but as far as practical application I would not say he is the definitive guru.
It's about time you showed up William. This boards NEEDS you, desperately.
Thanks for coming.
DIV
Have you ever seen pics of Pat's physique? This cat has experimented with more exotic steriods than many of todays pro's. Pat has a true love for steriods, and has used quite a bit himself back in the day.When it comes to steriod biochemistry he's the worlds leading expert..Bar none. Many speculate that he created THG and DMT, the exotic undetectable steriods used by athletes..
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That's great, but what has he done recently so far? Bar none. ;D
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Have you ever seen pics of Pat's physique? This cat has experimented with more exotic steriods than many of todays pro's. Pat has a true love for steriods, and has used quite a bit himself back in the day.When it comes to steriod biochemistry he's the worlds leading expert..Bar none. Many speculate that he created THG and DMT, the exotic undetectable steriods used by athletes..
Get to bed, GHB.
It's time to up your dose. ;D
DIV
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Did I type in "419-Keto-Etiochol-diene" i meant to type in 3,17-Keto-Etiochol-diene.My bad, lol .I am good at chemistry I just cannot type, thats why I have a secratry,lol.My problem is I have really big hands and 2 left hands when it comes to typing .As far as Patrick Arnold goes the man is a true guru.I have numerious long talks with PATRICK ,about chemistry, and the FDA .All you have to do is mention FDA and Patrick goes crazy, he hates the FDA.He thinks that are the most corrupt and scandalous organiztion that ever existed.I dont blame him the FDA, is all about money, and getting kick backs from the pharmaceutical companies.
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Did I type in "419-Keto-Etiochol-diene" i meant to type in 3,17-Keto-Etiochol-diene.My bad, lol .I am good at chemistry I just cannot type, thats why I have a secratry,lol.My problem is I have really big hands and 2 left hands when it comes to typing .As far as Patrick Arnold goes the man is a true guru.I have numerious long talks with PATRICK ,about chemistry, and the FDA .All you have to do is mention FDA and Patrick goes crazy, he hates the FDA.He thinks that are the most corrupt and scandalous organiztion that ever existed.I dont blame him the FDA, is all about money, and getting kick backs from the pharmaceutical companies.
Can you please type in the full chemcial names for all 4 of those products you were referring to, or ask your secretary to? Even "3,17-Keto-Etichol-diene" is not complete and incorrect. There is no info on the placement of the two ene modifications, and technically it should be a 3,17-dione or 3,17-di-keto. There is really no such thing as a 3,17-keto.
I want to be helpful, but in all honestly, it looks like those names were written by someone that doesn't have any understanding of steroid chemistry, and just wanted to throw a few fancy sounding terms together.
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Can you please type in the full chemcial names for all 4 of those products you were referring to, or ask your secretary to? Even "3,17-Keto-Etichol-diene" is not complete and incorrect. There is no info on the placement of the two ene modifications, and technically it should be a 3,17-dione or 3,17-di-keto. There is really no such thing as a 3,17-keto.
I want to be helpful, but in all honestly, it looks like those names were written by someone that doesn't have any understanding of steroid chemistry, and just wanted to throw a few fancy sounding terms together.
Absolutely correct.
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No bids today. All my other stuff sold including another Total Trainer machines ever since I brought them back.
Judi, any explanation as to the lowball price at this time?????
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w_llewellyn I respect you knowledge, so you will understand what I am going to explain to you.These particular elements are very new to the sports nutrition industry, and yes they are abbreviated, why you ask?Quite simple the market has come quite cut throat so a good chemist will always abreviate, or with hold parts of a formulation or chemical name.In the sports nutrition industry asll you have to do is change one element, or even one molecule, and your patent is uselss.So alot of companies, including mine, dont give out all the chemical breakdown, or exact formulations just to protect our selves.This is a 22 billion dollar industry, and no information sacred, and soon as you come out with a product some one will quicky knock it off.Look at Muscle Milk, there are atleast 10 Muscle Milk knock offs that I
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Soory, it posted and I wasnt finished. Anyways there are atleast 10 to 12 Muscle milk knock offs that I know of, if not more.So with this being said, the only way to protect all the research you have done, or paid to have done is to not give out the exact formuation.Otherwise somebody will copy your product, change one thing, sell the product cheaper, and take away your market.Trust me Patrick Arnold had this happen with Androstene, and he lost his ass because people copied his formulation.He could have made billions, and he only made about 15 of what he could if it wasnt for crooks in this industry.You have compnies like Dymatise, who see a product copy it, and sell it cheaper then you do, and you lose your market.This way people think why should I buy the your product when they can buy Dymatise for 25% cheaper.Dymatise did this with creatine, they were selling creatine ,500 grams for $10.00 when everybody else was ghetting like $25.00 for the same thing.They were the first company to use Chinese creatine which is junk and only sells for $5.50 per kilo.But peole thought what a great deal, and they hurt the market.The bottom line in no I wont post my exact formulations or chemical breakdown, just to protect my company, and the chemist who I had formulate it.Its not personal its buissnes.
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I understand what you are saying, and can respect that. However, there are a few things you should be aware of. First, technically you would be mislabeling your product if you did that, which is not legal to begin with. Second, everyone is aware that it is steroidal already, and would take someone very little time to identify the actives if they saw fit. Third, by your own admission this product is sketcy in a legal sense; hell, it is a prohormone, and that ship is sinking fast. I am not sure what long-term market you are trying to protect by being so secretive. If you want my advice, which you haven't asked for of course, it would be to identify and legitimize your product. If it ever becomes accepted as legitimate, someone will copy it on you anyway. This current stance is only likely to get your product's reputation ripped to shreds by consumers and competitors in the marketplace, which will insist it was ill conceived, ineffective, mislabeled, etc etc - you will not have much market at all to protect. If it really is legit, people will spread the good word when they understand the actives, which is impossible to do right now.
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I am the author of ANABOLICS 2000-2006, yes.
Welcome. You should become a moderator on the steroids/hardcore forum.
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This is a 22 billion dollar industry
Hahahahahahahahahaha
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No bids today. All my other stuff sold including another Total Trainer machines ever since I brought them back.
Judi, any explanation as to the lowball price at this time?????
Vince, I can give you many reasons why you're not getting any action on ProArgi9.
1. You are attempting to sell a product best distributed through network marketing by using a retail business model. The Network Marketing industry chooses certain products and product types, that are more suitable for marketing through that venue for a reason, and will generally avoid the types of products that move well through traditional retail.
People who search for products on ebay, go there already knowing what they want. They know what a product is, what it will do for them, and what to expect from it. They're simply looking to get what they want at the lowest possible price. When I go to eBay and type in "Louis Vuitton" or have a search of all LV item listings emailed to me, I know what I'm looking for and can tell if what is on offer is a fake or the genuine article. If I saw an ad for a genuine Rolex, and the seller was asking $20, I would question it's authenticity.
2. Your ad for ProArgi9, does not even come close to explaining to the consumer the true benefits of the product. Benefits that people would gladly pay 10 X's the MSRP for if they fully understood them and if they met a need or desire for them. Your ad doesn't even approach this. The major benefit that sets ProArgi9 apart from other products in the market is it's ability to access signal transduction pathways to trigger anti-aging mechanisms in humans, thereby reversing the aging process. A cannister on a website is not visual enough. Seeing actual results on your mother/brother/friend/co-worker is.
3. In addition, you are essentially selling a consumable food item. Anybody who already knows about ProArgi9, will know where to get it, and certainly wouldn't be going to ebay to find it. You might have a chance with those who are merely consumers of ProArgi9, without any desire to build a business, ...they might be attracted to getting it at a lower price, but you immediately raise red flags and lose any trust with them because they already know ProArgi9 does NOT come in either the Grape or Orange flavours you advertise.
4. You raise further red flags when you have 2 completely different pictures of what it is they'd be getting.
5. Anybody who knows about ProArgi9 knows it is a highly hygroscopic food item, sensitive to both heat & moisture, and ordering through you, they have no way of knowing under what conditions the item may have been stored, or whether they are getting stale product. One of the pictures you use incorporates packaging that hasn't been used in well over a year and a half, raising questions not only about what someone would actually be getting, but also about whether or not you are attempting to sell stale stock. That would be a big red flag.
Like I said Vince, the effectiveness of your ad (or lack thereof) is by no means a valid barometer of ProArgi9's efficacy as a product, nor of it's worth in the marketplace. What it is in effect, is a more accurate barometer of your ability, or apparently in this case, you inability to sell a product.
ProArgi9 remains our consistently top selling product, and repeat sales from consumers remain very healthy.
Hope That Clarifies,
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/Judi-sig-50.jpg)
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Soory, it posted and I wasnt finished. Anyways there are atleast 10 to 12 Muscle milk knock offs that I know of
BREAKING NEWS
There is nothing unique or proprietary about Muscle Milk except the name
Trust me Patrick Arnold had this happen with Androstene, and he lost his ass because people copied his formulation.He could have made billions
THIS JUST IN
"Androstene" makes billions!!! Dupont announces "We're in the game."
Dipshit
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Washed up you obviously are washed up, if you new anything about the healthy food industry you would know that it is a 22 billion dollar a year buissnes.How do you think Muscle tech pays for 50 pages a month in Flex, and other mags and its $10 k per page per month.You are a complete moron.As far as the Androstene goes, Patrick Arnold only made about 25 %of what he should have.Most of the Andro that was on the market wasnt even real, and they whored it out all over the internet cutting into Arnolds Buissness .When Andro first came out Patrick Arnold was getting antwhere from $59-$79 per bottle, and it sold well.Then some scumm bags where selling andro on the net for $39 then $29 and even down to $19 dollars per bottle.About 90 % of all the Andro that was out there was fake it had like Ginseng in it.So the fake Andros were making a killing, it would cost them like$2.00 a bottle to put rice flour or ginseng in a capsule and sell it as Andro.I have talked to Patrick Arnold on numerious occasion, and he is still pissed about the people who cut into his Andro market
Washed up lease dont say anything unless you know what your talking about
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Vince, I can give you many reasons why you're not getting any action on ProArgi9.
1. You are attempting to sell a product best distributed through network marketing by using a retail business model. The Network Marketing industry chooses certain products and product types, that are more suitable for marketing through that venue for a reason, and will generally avoid the types of products that move well through traditional retail.
People who search for products on ebay, go there already knowing what they want. They know what a product is, what it will do for them, and what to expect from it. They're simply looking to get what they want at the lowest possible price. When I go to eBay and type in "Louis Vuitton" or have a search of all LV item listings emailed to me, I know what I'm looking for and can tell if what is on offer is a fake or the genuine article. If I saw an ad for a genuine Rolex, and the seller was asking $20, I would question it's authenticity.
2. Your ad for ProArgi9, does not even come close to explaining to the consumer the true benefits of the product. Benefits that people would gladly pay 10 X's the MSRP for if they fully understood them and if they met a need or desire for them. Your ad doesn't even approach this. The major benefit that sets ProArgi9 apart from other products in the market is it's ability to access signal transduction pathways to trigger anti-aging mechanisms in humans, thereby reversing the aging process. A cannister on a website is not visual enough. Seeing actual results on your mother/brother/friend/co-worker is.
3. In addition, you are essentially selling a consumable food item. Anybody who already knows about ProArgi9, will know where to get it, and certainly wouldn't be going to ebay to find it. You might have a chance with those who are merely consumers of ProArgi9, without any desire to build a business, ...they might be attracted to getting it at a lower price, but you immediately raise red flags and lose any trust with them because they already know ProArgi9 does NOT come in either the Grape or Orange flavours you advertise.
4. You raise further red flags when you have 2 completely different pictures of what it is they'd be getting.
5. Anybody who knows about ProArgi9 knows it is a highly hygroscopic food item, sensitive to both heat & moisture, and ordering through you, they have no way of knowing under what conditions the item may have been stored, or whether they are getting stale product. One of the pictures you use incorporates packaging that hasn't been used in well over a year and a half, raising questions not only about what someone would actually be getting, but also about whether or not you are attempting to sell stale stock. That would be a big red flag.
Like I said Vince, the effectiveness of your ad (or lack thereof) is by no means a valid barometer of ProArgi9's efficacy as a product, nor of it's worth in the marketplace. What it is in effect, is a more accurate barometer of your ability, or apparently in this case, you inability to sell a product.
ProArgi9 remains our consistently top selling product, and repeat sales from consumers remain very healthy.
Hope That Clarifies,
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/Judi-sig-50.jpg)
I'm sorry but I don't agree with you. I've put up all the literature up on the product as well as specifically key-worded arginine so anyone looking for arginine would pull up the product. I've also had questions about the product from folks and I've explained all the information about the product as though it was part of my line of products including giving them links to the audio messages. Ad-Wise, I've spent more time and money promoting this product on Ebay than any of my products presently.
I think the product will make it to around 30-40 dollars by the end but it will be far less than the amount quoted. The reason I think is because Ebayer analyze products and can come to an accurate conclusion as to actual worth
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I'm sorry but I don't agree with you. I've put up all the literature up on the product as well as specifically key-worded arginine so anyone looking for arginine would pull up the product. I've also had questions about the product from folks and I've explained all the information about the product as though it was part of my line of products including giving them links to the audio messages. Ad-Wise, I've spent more time and money promoting this product on Ebay than any of my products presently.
I think the product will make it to around 30-40 dollars by the end but it will be far less than the amount quoted. The reason I think is because Ebayer analyze products and can come to an accurate conclusion as to actual worth
It's quite possible it could make it to 30 - 40 dollars... who knows... it's your listing, but I beg to differ with you on your other comments. I could be wrong, and I don't mean this as a diss, ...just a statement of my perception. I believe you're having trouble because you lack credibility. Those initials behind your name don't mean shit, if people are leery of you, ...and I believe you come across as a greedy POS who doesn't give a shit about consumers, just someone looking to sell them something. And God forbid any of them ever googled you to see all the crap you spewed about ProArgi9 for the past 2 years, ...and now you're selling it??? That's quite the credibility gap for anyone with their eyes open.
BTW - Links to which audio messages?
Again, like I said, you're looking to retail something that is best networked. Good luck tho.
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^Well that can't be because you're an angel, because you're not innocent by any stretch of the imagination.
We both know this, Judi.
DIV
:o :o :o What on earth are you ever talking about? ...of course I'm innocent!
My credit cards don't show purchases of lighter fluid, and my local Walmart isn't even open at 3:30am ;D
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:o :o :o What on earth are you ever talking about? ...of course I'm innocent!
My credit cards don't show purchases of lighter fluid, and my local Walmart isn't even open at 3:30am ;D
......sure, but your panties are sopping wet and your mouth is salivating.....
DIV
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Now that Llewellyn is here, I am going to take a moment to pimp X-Factor. I was one of the original guys to do the trial on it in all the ads, and I gained around 9 lbs of lean mass. The sh1t is the best non-steroidal muscle-builder out there, seriously. Better than this arginine sh1t. Llewelyn, knows his sh1t on it too.
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It's quite possible it could make it to 30 - 40 dollars... who knows... it's your listing, but I beg to differ with you on your other comments. I could be wrong, and I don't mean this as a diss, ...just a statement of my perception. I believe you're having trouble because you lack credibility. Those initials behind your name don't mean shit, if people are leery of you, ...and I believe you come across as a greedy POS who doesn't give a shit about consumers, just someone looking to sell them something. And God forbid any of them ever googled you to see all the crap you spewed about ProArgi9 for the past 2 years, ...and now you're selling it??? That's quite the credibility gap for anyone with their eyes open.
BTW - Links to which audio messages?
Again, like I said, you're looking to retail something that is best networked. Good luck tho.
I lack credibility??? First off, how dare you show disrespect to my initials next to my name. I've earned the right to be a certified nutritionist and personal trainer afters months of study and passing all the exams. Where the fuck are your credentials??? You are talking out of complete ignorance when you say stuff like that. I have much more credit around here than you do. People know I actually run a business and actually sell stuff. I've even showed pictures of my cash box to prove it. I write my own articles while you cut and paste and lets not even get into websites. That ragged ass website needs a complete overhaul and its all to cover its true website which links back to a clone Synergy Website. You may laugh at the fact that I have to haul products out every weekend to flea markets and work outside in the cold, hot, or rainy weather. But I'd rather do that anyday than to try to sell someone a 2.00 crap product for $100.00 and then try to push him into signing up at Synergy.
Hey Judi, if you want to talk about creditability. Why don't you tell everyone up here about the SYNERGY AUTO-SHIP PROGRAM??? >:(
The ad is currently at 10.50 and there is only 17 hours left. When the bidding is done, 240 is going to take a copy of the screen and let everyone know that you are full of it.
17 hours from being OWNED!!! And even if you get someone to buy it from me for the 99.99, I'll make a cool 25 dollars off the sell...... :D It won't happen however because no-pne wants it
Consider yourself finished, Jaguar.
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I lack credibility??? First off, how dare you show disrespect to my initials next to my name. I've earned the right to be a certified nutritionist and personal trainer afters months of study and passing all the exams.
NEWSFLASH:It's not the initials that give you credibility, it's character & integrity, and in your case, ...you appear to be severely lacking in both! Without those 2 components, the entire alphabet behind your name means nothing!
Where the f**k are your credentials??? You are talking out of complete ignorance when you say stuff like that.
No Vince, you are attempting to sell product out of complete ignorance. You've never even used it, yet you're going to try to sell it to the public? How slimey and greedy is that? At least use a product first, develop an appreciation for it before you start recommending it to others, let alone trying to make a profit off it.
People know I actually run a business and actually sell stuff. I've even showed pictures of my cash box to prove it.
Bwahahahaha! Ok, I can see you're approaching meltdown territory.
You may laugh at the fact that I have to haul products out every weekend to flea markets and work outside in the cold, hot, or rainy weather. But I'd rather do that anyday than to try to sell someone a 2.00 crap product for $100.00 and then try to push him into signing up at Synergy.
Oh boo hoo, I have to sell product out in the rain. <sniffle> Tell me you're not going to stoop so low as to go for the sympathy sale now? ::) I don't sell $2 products and I don't push people into signing up for Synergy. What I do is recommend people try quality products, products I have at least used, and know to be quality, and allow those who find them preferable to whatever brand they were previously using, to continue to purchase them over & over as they need them, not out in the rain, but right from the convenience of their home. Don't fault me because i have vision and foresight enough to organize my business activities in a manner that's more convenient & efficient for both myself and consumers. People who join choose to do so because it makes sense to them. I think most people can see the wisdom in allowing themselves to be compensated for something they would gladly do for free. I know there are many guys in here who have a favourite brand of protein that they regularly consume, or maybe a it's a favourite brand of breakfast cereal, ...or whatever. If so, I doubt many would pass up the opportunity to earn a small residual on every box of Grape Nuts sold in their state, country, or even around the world, provided they too have purchased a box of Grape Nuts themselves that month, ...afterall, it's what they would have been doing anyway.
Hey Judi, if you want to talk about creditability. Why don't you tell everyone up here about the SYNERGY AUTO-SHIP PROGRAM??? >:(
Why should I? No one has asked about it. If they have an interest in it, they can hear all about it on my website? nothing's hidden. That's why the website is there, to dispense information. And when someone does indicate interest in my business, I direct them to the correct url to get the information they need to answer their questions. It provides the dual purpose of allowing them the freedom & the luxury to go through the information, digesting it at their leisure without feeling pressured to make a decision, and at the same time, demonstrates how simple, do-able, and duplicatable this business really is, without requiring one be a superstar salesperson to do it. If anything, I'm more of a traffic cop directing traffic, than I am a salesperson.
See Vince, ...that's part of the reason you will never be successful in network mktg, you lack credibility, and have no idea how to leverage your time and/or properly allocate your resources, time or attention. That and the fact that instead of simply doing your thing, ...you're far too focused on others and what other people are doing. Instead of investing your time and positive energy in yourself and your goals, ...you squander your time, wasteing it by expending negative energy which you direct towards others. When are you going to wake up? ::)
The ad is currently at 10.50 and there is only 17 hours left. When the bidding is done, 240 is going to take a copy of the screen and let everyone know that you are full of it.
Uhhh... don't know how to break it to you Vince, ...but all that will show is that you lack the ability to sell a product that consumers the world over happily pay $91 for.
17 hours from being OWNED!!!
More like 17 hours away from owning yourself! lol. Good grief! ::)
And even if you get someone to buy it from me for the 99.99, I'll make a cool 25 dollars off the sell...... :D It won't happen however because no-pne wants it
Vince, if I wanted to be a bitch, I would have simply had someone bid huge, win the auction, then reneg on completing the purchase, opting instead to give you bitingly negative feed-back for false advertising, since you advertise Grape & Orange flavours, and the product isn't even manufactured in those flavours. That fact alone is easily verified and any rebuttal you could give would be ineffective. I have no need nor desire to do that. It's not worth my time. Someone else may get a kick out of doing that tho
Why would I get someone to buy it off you at retail, when I could simply sell it to them myself at wholesale, thereby saving them some money, not to mention the taxes they'd have to pay through you, and providing them with either a 30 day full 100% money back guarantee, or a 90 day money back guarantee. You're only giving them a 15 day guarantee at only 85% of their purchase price, and charging them a 15% re-stocking fee, if they decide they don't like it. How is someone going to notice ALL the benefits in 15 days?
...besides Vince, ...what makes you think your friend Mark down there in Dallas, isn't already a part of my downline? ;D
Consider yourself finished, Jaguar.
I never thought it was possible for someone to be so out of touch with reality, but you surprise me.
Vince, you really need to stop obsessing over me, just do your own thing, and try to focus on your own business.
Continually astounded by your lack of brilliance,
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/Judi-sig50.jpg)
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Vince, you are a....
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Well, the bidding has ended and I'm surprised that I was incorrect in thinking that the bidding would end at 30-40 dollars.... :o
Final Results: Can you say Lou Ferrigno??? :D
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5659027558
This should put an end to the value of Pro-Argi 9 finally. Judi is already melting down into a puddle of ooze.
240 or Bust, you know what to do...... :D
Later.
BTW, Here's some more creditability for you
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BTW, Judi....Ebay has changed their policies on negative feedback. It doesn't work that way anymore....... :D The only thing I would have to do is file an unpaid product dispute and once you of course not pay, the feedback is taken away..... :D. Its also now much harder to file feedback as well. The days of retalitory feedback is over with.
But honestly, I never gave a shit about feedback.
I'm just keeping it real and telling it like it is
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finally some new pics. still training for the 2006 metrolina?
btw, Jag has no credibility. She doesn't realize that as soon as you are reimbursed for recommending a product, you lose credibility
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I got into a car wreck 2 weeks ago but I have a chiropractor appointment tommorrow to get me back going. Its going to be pretty tight in making it to the show
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This is like watching 2 retards fight.
You feel guilty for not breaking it up, but you just cant help to sit back and watch.
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Pro Gyno Offseason:
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Pro Gyno Inseason:
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^Vincent,
How the hell do you get off throwing up the Westside when you clearly reside on the Eastcoast...........and worse yet.......you support DMX!!!!! :)
What a joke............that's like someone from Brooklyn listening to Pac and claiming Oakland!!!!! ::)
DIV
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^Vincent,
How the hell do you get off throwing up the Westside when you clearly reside on the Eastcoast...........and worse yet.......you support DMX!!!!! :)
What a joke............that's like someone from Brooklyn listening to Pac and claiming Oakland!!!!! ::)
DIV
Division, that is not a WestCoast sign. Otherwise it would be pointing up rather than down. That is a Team McFarland sign.
And as far as DMX is concerned, I used his song "Get it on the Floor" for my posing routine last time
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Division, that is not a WestCoast sign. Otherwise it would be pointing up rather than down. That is a Team McFarland sign.
And as far as DMX is concerned, I used his song "Get it on the Floor" for my posing routine last time
That's the "W".......regardless of whatever Jeff has you believing.
It's not for you, you don't even live out west.
DMX is played out.......
Move on.
DIV
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That's the "W".......regardless of whatever Jeff has you believing.
It's not for you, you don't even live out west.
DMX is played out.......
Move on.
DIV
Don't take it so fucking seriously. You don't know anything about the west neither because you're white (at least I think you are). You would be more likely to get your ass kicked than me if you walked into the wrong neighborhood.
BTW, this is off subject, this is about the ultimate demise of ProArgi9 ;D
20 bucks bitch....hahahahahaha!!!
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Don't take it so fucking seriously. You don't know anything about the west neither because you're white (at least I think you are). You would be more likely to get your ass kicked than me if you walked into the wrong neighborhood.
BTW, this is off subject, this is about the ultimate demise of ProArgi9 ;D
20 bucks bitch....hahahahahaha!!!
If you walked in my neighborhood, you would be found swimming with the fishes with cement shoes.
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If you walked in my neighborhood, you would be found swimming with the fishes with cement shoes.
If you're referring to your hometown, BumFuck USA, you won't catch me there.
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If you're referring to your hometown, BumFuck USA, you won't catch me there.
This coming from a guy living in Greenville, South Carolina. Where fleamarkets reign supreme.
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Jesus Vince....
your truly a retard, and you just don't learn. From the first posts of yours I saw at MM, then the pics of your out of shape gyno-ridden ass at the Metrolina, your lame excuses as to why you showed up out of shape (you have to be in shape to look awesome and then mess up your peak!), to the basic amino acid solution your selling expecting to get $100 for. Your pathetic.
At the very most, it's entertainment. But your so stupid that you don't really make it entertaining anymore. Just more banal tripe from your enlarged nipple out of shape ass.
Oh, I'm white, and I live on the West Coast too. OMFG!!!! What a concept. White people on the West Coast, black people on the East Coast too? What is this world coming to? :o
Idiot.
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Jesus Vince....
your truly a retard, and you just don't learn. From the first posts of yours I saw at MM, then the pics of your out of shape gyno-ridden ass at the Metrolina, your lame excuses as to why you showed up out of shape (you have to be in shape to look awesome and then mess up your peak!), to the basic amino acid solution your selling expecting to get $100 for. Your pathetic.
At the very most, it's entertainment. But your so stupid that you don't really make it entertaining anymore. Just more banal tripe from your enlarged nipple out of shape ass.
Oh, I'm white, and I live on the West Coast too. OMFG!!!! What a concept. White people on the West Coast, black people on the East Coast too? What is this world coming to? :o
Idiot.
First off, read the post more closely dum-ass. Number two, only people obsessed with me "Vinceoholics" even talk about a bodybuilding show that I did two years ago. Its old news.
And I honestly couldn't care about you being white except you're problably the dumbest white guy I've ever seen so far talk. Your ass would get kicked anywhere in the country.
And stop hating on Greenville, SC. I like it here. People have a misconception that every black person is wanting to get out of the south I'm not some damn runaway slave and Harriet Tubman's Underground Railroad has not ran for over a hundred year. The South is great because everyone minds their own fucking business
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First off, read the post more closely dum-ass. Number two, only people obsessed with me "Vinceoholics" even talk about a bodybuilding show that I did two years ago. Its old news.
And I honestly couldn't care about you being white except you're problably the dumbest white guy I've ever seen so far talk. Your ass would get kicked anywhere in the country.
And stop hating on Greenville, SC. I like it here. People have a misconception that every black person is wanting to get out of the south I'm not some damn runaway slave and Harriet Tubman's Underground Railroad has not ran for over a hundred year. The South is great because everyone minds their own fucking business
Vince, people continue to clown you because that's exactly what you are. When you first starting making the rounds on all these BB related boards you constantly boasted about how awesome you are. You even claimed to be 213 lbs. at 10 percent bodyfat. You're contest pictures (which you did not post) showed an entirely different story. Instead of manning the f**k up and admitting that you simply were/are not a serious bodybuilder you pulled out a grabass/BS excuse about missing your carb-up (which you still believe despite EVERYONE telling you that's not the case). The whole experience should've humbled you and instead you're every bit as arrogant as you were before. I'm sure that none of this will sink in with you and you'll come back with more "quit hatin" self-denial tripe (which makes you seem even more foolish) but that's the simple truth. But if you claim to "keep it real" and "tell it like it is" then what you should take what I've written above to heart. Simply put, it's the reason you're the official dime all time schmoe of all BB forums.
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Vince, people continue to clown you because that's exactly what you are. When you first starting making the rounds on all these BB related boards you constantly boasted about how awesome you are. You even claimed to be 213 lbs. at 10 percent bodyfat. You're contest pictures (which you did not post) showed an entirely different story. Instead of manning the f**k up and admitting that you simply were/are not a serious bodybuilder you pulled out a grabass/BS excuse about missing your carb-up (which you still believe despite EVERYONE telling you that's not the case). The whole experience should've humbled you and instead you're every bit as arrogant as you were before. I'm sure that none of this will sink in with you and you'll come back with more "quit hatin" self-denial tripe (which makes you seem even more foolish) but that's the simple truth. But if you claim to "keep it real" and "tell it like it is" then what you should take what I've written above to heart. Simply put, it's the reason you're the official dime all time schmoe of all BB forums.
Well, say what you want. It all comes to an end at the 2006 Metrolina and the NPC Jr USA. I'm out to put haters like you in check. That's all I gotta say about that
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Well, say what you want. It all comes to an end at the 2006 Metrolina and the NPC Jr USA. I'm out to put haters like you in check. That's all I gotta say about that
Just like you were supposed to the same at the Shredder and last year's Metrolina?
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This douche is trying to hate on Jaguar when he's the male version of her.
Selling BS products because they have no skills and are too lazy to work.
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Well, say what you want. It all comes to an end at the 2006 Metrolina and the NPC Jr USA. I'm out to put haters like you in check. That's all I gotta say about that
Please, prove EVERY ONE OF US WRONG! Till then, you'll still get hated on, because despite all the shit you spew out of your mouth, your the dumbass. Notice the correct spelling is not dum-ass..... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Please, prove EVERY ONE OF US WRONG! Till then, you'll still get hated on, because despite all the shit you spew out of your mouth, your the dumbass. Notice the correct spelling is not dum-ass..... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I'm don't compete for you haters, I compete because I'm a bodybuilder. I don't talk about it. Prove yourself wrong and hop your ass on stage instead of talking smack
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I'm don't compete for you haters, I compete because I'm a bodybuilder. I don't talk about it. Prove yourself wrong and hop your ass on stage instead of talking smack
Yes you do talk about it and I'll be doing my first show next year and I would love to compare the pics I'll have to your first show. Loser.
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Ok, fine show your picture. Just don't go by the pictures you seen two years ago.
You can however go by this picture
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monster bicep ::)
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Here's a better look, now go get your fucking shinebox. I'm not playing anymore games. Its on now. Time to represent
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damn are you ugly!
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Have you broken into a gym?
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Have you broken into a gym?
At the time, I stocked every supplement that I sold because my main source of income was selling them at the flea market. Its where I developed the skills to sell products and eventually move to bigger things