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Obamacare is Succeeding and Republicans Have No Idea How to React :)
Posted on April 17, 2014 by Joshua Schwitzerlett •
The Affordable Care Act, aka “Obamacare”, is succeeding. Over 7 million people have signed up for insurance under the plan and it is projected and many millions more will see improved health care coverage as a result. But the right is refusing to recognize the success, even refusing to admit that it could possibly become a success. Obamacare is working and the GOP is only showing how out of touch it is with reality by ignoring that fact.
It’s even hurting their ability to legislate in other ways.
When Katherine Sebelius announced her resignation, Republicans jumped at the opportunity to say this was a sign of the overall plan’s failure. Instead of adhering to the general consensus that Sebelius’s resignation was a sign that Obamacare was ready to stand on its own, the GOP created an alternate reality for itself.
The dysfunction of healthcare.gov did cast a serious shadow over the Affordable Care Act’s opening days, but those technical problems, once resolved, cannot continue to be held up as the cornerstone that supports the Right’s position. Obama does not, for better or worse, support getting rid of people in the heat of battle and chose to have Sebelius oversee the repair of healthcare.gov. Now that it works, she is free to resign. Her resignation is a sign of victory, not defeat, for the administration.
Meanwhile, Obamacare is projected to cost $104 billion less than was originally thought.
Republicans can’t admit or even work effectively to legislate regarding Obamacare. Their obstinate refusal and dedication to its demise is hurting their constituents. According to a new poll from Gallup, the uninsured rate in states that have expanded medicaid programs and established healthcare exchanges, as prescribed by Obamacare, is dropping three times faster than in states that have refused to do so.
It’s time that the GOP come back to reality and start doing what’s best for their constituents.
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How many of those alleged 8 million are paying versus getting subsidies?
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How many of those alleged 8 million are paying versus getting subsidies?
Good question.
Also, how many of those 8 million are citizens who lost their insurance due to ObamaCare?
The article is pretty light on figures...it's pretty much saying, "People signed up....and stuff."
Pretty weak.
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How many of those alleged 8 million are paying versus getting subsidies?
How many had insurance previously and what was the difference in cost?
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Good question.
Also, how many of those 8 million are citizens who lost their insurance due to ObamaCare?
The article is pretty light on figures...it's pretty much saying, "People signed up....and stuff."
Pretty weak.
Yep. I think they will try and hide the data for as long as possible.
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This should make all the Pro-Life Christian smile
http://fox4kc.com/2014/02/13/man-with-a-new-healthy-heart-says-obamacare-saved-his-life/
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This should make all the Pro-Life Christian smile
http://fox4kc.com/2014/02/13/man-with-a-new-healthy-heart-says-obamacare-saved-his-life/
Good for him but that doesn't mean we shouldn't maintain a critical eye.
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How many had insurance previously and what was the difference in cost?
This too.
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The question becomes:
Since republicans cannot change the law until 2017 (at the earliest), how will you sell "repeal ObamaCare" when there will be 20-25 million people getting healthcare from the law by that time? ;)
Good luck!
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The question becomes:
Since republicans cannot change the law until 2017 (at the earliest), how will you sell "repeal ObamaCare" when there will be 20-25 million people getting healthcare from the law by that time? ;)
Good luck!
This is what these dummies fail to understand. Instead of wasting all their time (and our money) with pointless repeal votes of Obamacare after it passed, they should have spent it coming up with an alternative. Because by the time they get a chance to actually repeal or cut the funding to it, there are going to be too many people in the system. If they attempt to take that away from people it will be political suicide. Then again, they already seem to be trying to kill themselves off anyway....
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This is what these dummies fail to understand. Instead of wasting all their time (and our money) with pointless repeal votes of Obamacare after it passed, they should have spent it coming up with an alternative. Because by the time they get a chance to actually repeal or cut the funding to it, there are going to be too many people in the system. If they attempt to take that away from people it will be political suicide. Then again, they already seem to be trying to kill themselves off anyway....
Correct.
The GOP's problem is, this healthcare plan was the republican's original idea in the first place! It is exactly the kind of legislative reform their party pushed throughout the 1990s! The only reason they have been against it is due to the fact that it was signed into law by a democrat president.
The only alternative that would make sense at this point is to draft a bill that is single payer for all. I think the democrats in congress and their voting constituents would be more than happy to work with the republicans to make that a reality! :)
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Correct.
The GOP's problem is, this healthcare plan was the republican's original idea in the first place! It is exactly the kind of legislative reform their party pushed throughout the 1990s! The only reason they have been against it is due to the fact that it was signed into law by a democrat president.
The only alternative that would make sense at this point is to draft a bill that is single payer for all. I think the democrats in congress and their voting constituents would be more than happy to work with the republicans to make that a reality! :)
Hang on... I am trying to fathom a way to spin this......
Does "HEHEHEHEHE" cut it?
How about if I post some self loathing gay fantasies about Obama? Would that dispel the reality of this?
Or maybe I will just ignore it and talk about something completely unrelated to the thread topic. Good idea, no?
;D
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This is what these dummies fail to understand. Instead of wasting all their time (and our money) with pointless repeal votes of Obamacare after it passed, they should have spent it coming up with an alternative. Because by the time they get a chance to actually repeal or cut the funding to it, there are going to be too many people in the system. If they attempt to take that away from people it will be political suicide. Then again, they already seem to be trying to kill themselves off anyway....
I agree, trying to repeal the ACA is a pointless exercise. What I want is an honest assessment of the program. A single payer system would be vastly superior.
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Hang on... I am trying to fathom a way to spin this......
Does "HEHEHEHEHE" cut it?
How about if I post some self loathing gay fantasies about Obama? Would that dispel the reality of this?
Or maybe I will just ignore it and talk about something completely unrelated to the thread topic. Good idea, no?
;D
LMAO! ;D
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I agree, trying to repeal the ACA is a pointless exercise. What I want is an honest assessment of the program. A single payer system would be vastly superior.
You're a republican voter? ???
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You're a republican voter? ???
A hybrid like the Canadian's do. Introduce market reforms, actual market based reforms, to the private market but add a basic and bare bones single payer option.
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Oh yeah......
- People got there policies cancelled yet they were told they wouldn't by the POTUS
- Rates went up for most
- Some got theirs subsidized costing tax payer money
- The effects of the other mandates haven't hit yet.
- Smaller clinics are closing due to cost as a result of ACA
But, because some Joe Smo, used ACA to get treatment.......when he prolly could still have got it otherwise under the old system.... ACA is a success!
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You're a republican voter? ???
Ive never voted Republican in my life.
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A hybrid like the Canadian's do. Introduce market reforms, actual market based reforms, to the private market but add a basic and bare bones single payer option.
Dems would support something like that. Which of course means it would be immediately dead on arrival in the republican congress.
Hence, my consistent reminder on this board that republican voters are STUPID. :)
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Is Obamacare A Success? We Might Not Know For A While
After months of focusing on how many people have or haven't signed up for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act, we now have a rough total (7.5 million), and everyone's keen to get to the bigger questions: How well is the law working? How many of those who signed up have paid their premiums and are actually getting coverage? How many were uninsured before they signed up? And just how big has the drop been in the number of uninsured people?
Unfortunately, the answers to some of these questions simply aren't knowable — or, at least, not knowable yet.
One presumes we'd begin to get a handle on that when the Census Bureau puts out its annual numbers in the fall. Except officials have decided to change the way they ask their health insurance questions for the Current Population Survey. (That's the study that produces the annual uninsured number.)
Those tweaks to the survey mean that, going forward, the uninsured numbers won't really be comparable to those of past years. That has produced some significant upset in the research community.
"It is a very unfortunate set of decisions in my opinion," says Blumberg of the Urban Institute. "We have all used the Current Population Survey for trends for measuring insurance coverage ... forever, it seems like, and we're not going to be able to do that because of the question changes."
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/04/16/303204332/is-obamacare-a-success-we-might-not-know-for-a-while
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The thing is working. At least as far as we can see now.
BUT real issue here is its not an "AFFORDABLE" care act.
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Oh yeah......
- People got there policies cancelled yet they were told they wouldn't by the POTUS
- Rates went up for most
- Some got theirs subsidized costing tax payer money
- The effects of the other mandates haven't hit yet.
- Smaller clinics are closing due to cost as a result of ACA
But, because some Joe Smo, used ACA to get treatment.......when he prolly could still have got it otherwise under the old system.... ACA is a success!
some Joe Schoe?
how about the hundreds of thousands or millions with pre-existing conditions who simply could not get insurance who are now able to get it?
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some Joe Schoe?
how about the hundreds of thousands or millions with pre-existing conditions who simply could not get insurance who are now able to get it?
This is the best part of the ACA.
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some Joe Schoe?
how about the hundreds of thousands or millions with pre-existing conditions who simply could not get insurance who are now able to get it?
Its all good. That part of the program works great. What doesn't work great is the increased costs to everyone else.....making the "Affordable Care Act" complete bull shit.
We needed an overhaul to a system that's out of control cost wise, weighed down by layers upon layers of BS. Who get's the best of this? The Medical Insurance industry.
Much of the repub criticism of this is valid, not all of it.
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Its all good. That part of the program works great. What doesn't work great is the increased costs to everyone else.....making the "Affordable Care Act" complete bull shit.
We needed an overhaul to a system that's out of control cost wise, weighed down by layers upon layers of BS. Who get's the best of this? The Medical Insurance industry.
Much of the repub criticism of this is valid, not all of it.
"everyone else" did not get increased cost
some people (perhaps millions but keep in mind that there are probably 200 million + people in this country who didn't
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"everyone else" did not get increased cost
some people (perhaps millions but keep in mind that there are probably 200 million + people in this country who didn't
Keep in mind not all of the mandates are in effect.
but based on the 1st set, self employed (independent contractors) got nailed pretty good.
AND...... if thousands or millions are getting subsidized by state governments where do you think that money comes from? Yes everyone else.
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Keep in mind not all of the mandates are in effect.
but based on the 1st set, self employed (independent contractors) got nailed pretty good.
AND...... if thousands or millions are getting subsidized by state governments where do you think that money comes from? Yes everyone else.
This is what the retards who keep posting in favor of crapcare don't understand.
The legislation is a FAILURE!!!
Failed to keep premiums down. MOST PEOPLE WILL PAY MORE!
Failed because people won't keep the policies they liked!
Failed because already we see people not keeping their doctors.
Failed because there are people who can't go to certain specialized hospitals.
Failed because there are people who are being told they don't have access to certain medications.
More like 28% are the young and healthy enrollees. FAILED AGAIN BECAUSE it needed 40%.
FAILURE UNTIL WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY PAID AND HOW MANY WERE INSURED BEFORE.
If only 5% of the uninsured signed up for this crap, the it really is a disgrace, when even more people had their policies cancelled and hundreds of millions of dollars spent.
You idiots are beyond stupid. To applaud a program that destroys the individual right to pick whatever coverage a person deems right for them. What the hell is the big accomplishment when there is a penalty hanging over everyone's head if they don't sign for this crap?
Not to mention that if this crapcare is so great, HOW COME SO MANY DEMOCRATS ARE NOT RUNNING ON IT? WHY SO MANY OF THEM ARE AVOIDING IT FOR THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS????
You morons are so gullible.
HEHEHEHEHEEHEHEHEHEHEHEEHEHEHEHEHEHEEHEHEHEHEHH!!
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I have to laugh at this idiots because another point they miss is that crapcare is not even being implemented entirely and already the negatives outweigh the positives.
Wait until the employer mandate delay runs out. HEHEHEHEHEH!!
What I said months before will be proven correct. A lot of democrats are proposing changing a lot of it and even removing areas of the law. The only way, and this is what I had said, the only way it works is if it's changed dramatically to the point THAT IT WON'T EVEN RESEMBLE WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PASSED!
So it won't even be crapcare, it will be something else, something completely different and THAT IS FURTHER PROOF THAT IT'S A FAILURE!!!
HEHEHEHEEHEHEHEHEHEHHEEHEHEHEHEHEHEEHEHEHEHEHEHEEHEHEHEH
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"succeeding"
I have NO health insurance now due to Obamacare and cant even sign up if I wanted to or could afford it....
FCK ME
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"succeeding"
I have NO health insurance now due to Obamacare and cant even sign up if I wanted to or could afford it....
FCK ME
Why is that?
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"everyone else" did not get increased cost
some people (perhaps millions but keep in mind that there are probably 200 million + people in this country who didn't
right. my premiums haven't gone up. they've actually gone down a little. but you understand that's just because for my plan the mandates have been suspended until 2015 right? come 2015 my premiums are going to increase by at least 46%.
and no I didn't get this information from some website. this is me (small business owner) speaking to my blue cross rep on the telephone.
the real question is will Obamacare hurt the people who have always paid more than it will help the people who never did? that's the real question.
I am one of those guys who really, truly hopes that you're right about all of this. because this affects me in real life. I wish I could believe you because it would honestly make me happy if you were correct about all of this but i tend to think that you're being fed convenient information from Obama cheerleaders and you're eating it up because you like the way it sounds.
the problem I have with all of this is that i'm not rich. I make a good living and work hard for my money. and my health care insurance that I pay through my small business is going to increase from $10,000 to $15,000 a year BECAUSE OF THE OBAMACARE MANDATES and i'm somehow supposed to support it and think its a good idea? I just don't get it. its like liberals can so easily dismiss things that happen in the real world because they can google an article on the internet telling them that Obamacare is great.
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The thing is working. At least as far as we can see now.
BUT real issue here is its not an "AFFORDABLE" care act.
What does it cost the average american?
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What does it cost the average american?
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no i'm serious... what is the average cost of insurance for
1) single person
2) add'l child
for the average american making average single & household incomes?
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no i'm serious... what is the average cost of insurance for
1) single person
2) add'l child
for the average american making average single & household incomes?
Mine increased dramatically.
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thankfully my costs haven't increased very much.
But the adjustment of medical write offs from 7.5% AGI to 10% and to 15% next year really fucked me out of tax refunds I usually get due to my high medical costs.
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Our president has literally lied about everything that has occurred under his watch ... now the whitehouse is backtracking saying the 35% is more like 24-25% .... his numbers are bullshit.
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Why is that?
My health insurance was cancelled due to Obamacare. I have used my insurance maybe 1 or 2 times in the last 10 years since I have had it.. paid religiously. I AM THE PERSON THEY WANT.. I pay and never used it... yet
soon as Obamacare passed I get a letter from Blue Shield saying that due to Obamacare my policy is being cancelled because it does not include maternity and therefore not legal under the new laws.. I DONT NEED MATERNITY... If I did I would have bought it!!!
So they cancel my policy that I was paying $298/month for... which wasnt easy for me.
I try to reapply and its now $800/mo for the same policy that I was paying for my wife and I before.....
I dont have that money so I go without health insurance now.
But even if I had that money I cant get it now because apparently people dont get sick outside of open enrollement
thanks govnt!
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My health insurance was cancelled due to Obamacare. I have used my insurance maybe 1 or 2 times in the last 10 years since I have had it.. paid religiously. I AM THE PERSON THEY WANT.. I pay and never used it... yet
soon as Obamacare passed I get a letter from Blue Shield saying that due to Obamacare my policy is being cancelled because it does not include maternity and therefore not legal under the new laws.. I DONT NEED MATERNITY... If I did I would have bought it!!!
So they cancel my policy that I was paying $298/month for... which wasnt easy for me.
I try to reapply and its now $800/mo for the same policy that I was paying for my wife and I before.....
I dont have that money so I go without health insurance now.
But even if I had that money I cant get it now because apparently people dont get sick outside of open enrollement
thanks govnt!
I can't believe it went up that much. What is your age and the state you are in?
As I posted in the past, someone I know (42-43 in FL, making over $250,000 a year) got the Cigna Gold Plan. It is a PPO with $2500 deductible, 100% coverage after, $0 copay, and typical pharmacy costs (not sure of the exact copay for meds). But it was under $350 a month. (Single, nonsmoker)
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But senator Reid said that all of you guys complaining about Obamacare are all liars ... all lies