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Cutler was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time. He only won, due to the fact that he had no competition. He wouldn't have even cracked the top 10, let alone the top 6 in the 1990's. Many say that Yates was overrated, but look who he beat!
Cutler was blocky, with a 50" waist, absolutely NO striations in his upper body and the worst arms in the business, had the soft look, as though he was always in offseason condition. He never imo had the wow factor. Levrone, Yates, Wheeler, Ray, Sonbaty, Coleman, Cormier, Dillett, Demayo, Priest, Clairmonte, Francois, Taylor and even Ruhl, Schlierkamp, Munzer, James, were in another league in their prime. Cutler couldn't shine their shoes. The only competition Cutler had, was an aging and broken down Coleman, Dexter Jackson (a poor man's version of Shawn Ray), Victor Martinez and Melvin Anthony (2 guys who would have both placed outside of the top 10 in the 90's, and Wolf, who was a little more impressive (at times) than Ian Harrison (and we know how he placed in the 90's). Honestly, I wouldn't even put Cutler ahead of guys like Matarazzo or Baker (in their prime).
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You must be a real hoot at parties.
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You must be a real hoot at parties.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAHH AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D
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'Big' Chiro Flex with the leadoff home run lol :D
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Cutler received many gifts including AC titles and O titles but no matter what he had some good shows too.
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hi dorian :)
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'Big' Chiro Flex with the leadoff home run lol :D
Yeah, the OP has a real passion for all things cock.
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Cutler was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time. He only won, due to the fact that he had no competiton. He wouldn't have even cracked the top 10, let alone the top 6 in the 1990's. Many say that Yates was overrated, but look who he beat!
Cutler was blocky, with a 50" waist, absolutely NO striations in his upper body and the worst arms in the business, had the soft look, as though he was always in offseason condition. He never imo had the wow factor. Levrone, Yates, Wheeler, Ray, Sonbaty, Coleman, Cormier, Dillett, Demayo, Priest, Clairmonte, Francois, Taylor and even Ruhl, Schlierkamp, Munzer, James, were in another league in their prime. Cutler couldn't shine their shoes. The only competition Cutler had, was an aging and broken down Coleman, Dexter Jackson (a poor man's version of Shawn Ray), Victor Martinez and Melvin Anthony (2 guys who would have both placed outside of the top 10 in the 90's, and Wolf, who was a little more impressive (at times) than Ian Harrison (and we know how he placed in the 90's). Honestly, I wouldn't even put Cutler ahead of guys like Matarazzo or Baker (in their prime).
So true.
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Cormier finished 6th in the mid 90's and Cutler beat a much better version of him 8-10 years later...
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Cormier losing the 2004 Arnold Classic by 1 point to Cutler was a joke. Cutler was listed at 270 pounds but was really about 235. And even at 235 he was soft and flat in the back. Cormier blew him out of the water. Cutler should send Chris the trophy and a hefty check...
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2004 Arnold Classic, one of the biggest robberies in history.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=33567&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/2004/Arnold_Classic_2004_144.jpg)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/2004/Arnold_Classic_2004_139.jpg)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/2004/Arnold_Classic_2004_140.jpg)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/2004/Arnold_Classic_2004_108.jpg)
(http://forums.steroid.com/attachments/pro-news/29121d1078603868-arnold-classic-2004-prejudging1.jpg)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/2004/Arnold_Classic_2004_142.jpg)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/2004/Arnold_Classic_2004_138.jpg)
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The things Cutler must have done for the judges in a private room the night before the 2004 Arnold Classic wouldn't be legal in 49 of the 50 States...
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wow, how did cormier lose to cutler in 2004? unreal.
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wow, how did cormier lose to cutler in 2004? unreal.
Less hamstring detail and of course, Non-striated gluteus! Cormier had a structural advantage to many bodybuilders, shame he did not win more.
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He was never the same after he ditched his famous Hitler Youth haircut.
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He was never the same after he ditched his famous Hitler Youth haircut.
:o
Hitler was a Blutbad
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His primary structural flaws were his lack of vascularity, smooth back (for most of his shows), very wide waist, and tendency to hold water on stage. Otherwise, he was well developed in every muscle group and had some of the most respectable wheels of any pro. You could argue his forearms weren't up to Flex Lewis's or Heath's standards, but they were still huge compared to the average gym rat.
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Cutler was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time. He only won, due to the fact that he had no competiton. He wouldn't have even cracked the top 10, let alone the top 6 in the 1990's. Many say that Yates was overrated, but look who he beat!
Cutler was blocky, with a 50" waist, absolutely NO striations in his upper body and the worst arms in the business, had the soft look, as though he was always in offseason condition. He never imo had the wow factor. Levrone, Yates, Wheeler, Ray, Sonbaty, Coleman, Cormier, Dillett, Demayo, Priest, Clairmonte, Francois, Taylor and even Ruhl, Schlierkamp, Munzer, James, were in another league in their prime. Cutler couldn't shine their shoes. The only competition Cutler had, was an aging and broken down Coleman, Dexter Jackson (a poor man's version of Shawn Ray), Victor Martinez and Melvin Anthony (2 guys who would have both placed outside of the top 10 in the 90's, and Wolf, who was a little more impressive (at times) than Ian Harrison (and we know how he placed in the 90's). Honestly, I wouldn't even put Cutler ahead of guys like Matarazzo or Baker (in their prime).
x2. Nobody in the history of bodybuilding has received more gifts than the fridge. Cutler is easily the most overrated bodybuilder ever. Nobody else is even close. If the fridge were black or non-American he'd just be that big blocky dude who always looks smooth and bloated.
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x2. Nobody in the history of bodybuilding has received more gifts than the fridge. Cutler is easily the most overrated bodybuilder ever. Nobody else is even close. If the fridge were black or non-American he'd just be that big blocky dude who always looks smooth and bloated.
That's what Nasser said too. If Cutler was not american with the same physique, he'd have barely made the Top 10. Imo Ruhl was a way better BB than Cutler and always placed lower than him.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RKFIzpAbfuU/UYmIZtdnJmI/AAAAAAAAFGo/X9bQ4vZFk2s/s1600/arnold_mf_5313.jpg)
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2004 Arnold Classic, one of the biggest robberies in history.
Cormier should of won that one.
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i believe thats true, he never was a real big guy.
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RUHL should have been Mr. O 3-5 times by my reckoning.
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Hi Kerry
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Hi Kerry
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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RUHL should have been Mr. O 3-5 times by my reckoning.
all politics, ruhl probably refused to suck dick judges.
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Cormier losing the 2004 Arnold Classic by 1 point to Cutler was a joke. Cutler was listed at 270 pounds but was really about 235. And even at 235 he was soft and flat in the back. Cormier blew him out of the water. Cutler should send Chris the trophy and a hefty check...
i watched it live on pay per view 10 years ago, i'll never forget how angry i was when chris was announced in 2nd
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You must be a real hoot at parties.
im sitting here laughing and my dog is looking at me. :D
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Cutler was very impressive not overrated.
And his waist didn't seem that wide when you compare it to how broad his shoulders are.
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im sitting here laughing and my dog is looking at me. :D
8)
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all politics, ruhl probably refused to suck dick judges.
Yeah, Cutler obviously liked to suck it and see the night before a contest.
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Yes 2004 was a joke like many BBing comps however in 2003 Cutler was very good and smoked Cormier. Probably would have been top 3-4 in the Mr.O, fuck in 2001 he beat Levrone and Shawn Ray who were dominant in the 90's, so say stupid stuff like wouldn't make the top 10 isn't true. A million gifts yes but still good.
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Yes 2004 was a joke like many BBing comps however in 2003 Cutler was very good and smoked Cormier. Probably would have been top 3-4 in the Mr.O, fuck in 2001 he beat Levrone and Shawn Ray who were dominant in the 90's, so say stupid stuff like wouldn't make the top 10 isn't true. A million gifts yes but still good.
Cormier lost to Cutler at the 2002, 2003, and 2004 Arnold. Each time, Cormier back was better than Cutler's. he structurally is better than Cutler as well. I forgot how Cormier's and Cutler's hams look from 2002 and 2003, but I remember Cormier besting Cutler in terms of back detail and from the front.
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(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2002/expo35.jpg)
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I think the 2001 Cutler was best.
(http://forums.steroid.com/attachments/pictures-pro-bodybuilders/26159d1071790149-jay-cutler-2001-vs-jay-cutler-now-2001-jay-cutler-front-bicep.jpg)
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I think the 2001 Cutler was best.
(http://forums.steroid.com/attachments/pictures-pro-bodybuilders/26159d1071790149-jay-cutler-2001-vs-jay-cutler-now-2001-jay-cutler-front-bicep.jpg)
very much,here too..
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i watched it live on pay per view 10 years ago, i'll never forget how angry i was when chris was announced in 2nd
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Ya I remember seeing it too...Cutler was flat as a pancake and had awful coloring...One of his legs were like 5 inches smaller than the other...Loose skin all over his back...Everyone said he went overboard on DNP...
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Ya I remember seeing it too...Cutler was flat as a pancake and had awful coloring...One of his legs were like 5 inches smaller than the other...Loose skin all over his back...Everyone said he went overboard on DNP...
His diet was off that year. He started late and compensated by eating fat burners by the spoonful instead.
To his credit, after that year he usually started dieting 16 weeks out and didn't ignore the stairclimber.
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Yes 2004 was a joke like many BBing comps however in 2003 Cutler was very good and smoked Cormier. Probably would have been top 3-4 in the Mr.O, fuck in 2001 he beat Levrone and Shawn Ray who were dominant in the 90's, so say stupid stuff like wouldn't make the top 10 isn't true. A million gifts yes but still good.
Levrone and even Ray to a lesser extent were a shadow of their former selves in 2001.
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very much,here too..
I'm just not seeing what is so impressive? Look at his arms in the second pic. How ridiculous is it that he didn't have a single vein in his arms? He looked like the Pillsbury Doughboy who ate a fridge.
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2004 Arnold Classic, one of the biggest robberies in history.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=33567&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/2004/Arnold_Classic_2004_144.jpg)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/2004/Arnold_Classic_2004_139.jpg)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/2004/Arnold_Classic_2004_140.jpg)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/2004/Arnold_Classic_2004_108.jpg)
(http://forums.steroid.com/attachments/pro-news/29121d1078603868-arnold-classic-2004-prejudging1.jpg)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/2004/Arnold_Classic_2004_142.jpg)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Arnold_Classic/2004/Arnold_Classic_2004_138.jpg)
4th pic down (the side chest comparison). Look how pointy his delts were. He was pulling a Nasser with the amount of oil he carried. It would also account for the lack of detail and striations in his upper body (oil will do that).
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Hard to know exactly when/where he started injecting posing oil. It's fair to say he injected his biceps after his injuries and possibly his shoulders as well.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-iqShGJG3D1E/TswDuAAxNlI/AAAAAAAAKCE/VXDzxqYOw7w/s463/jay-by-ronharris.jpg)
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Hard to know exactly when/where he started injecting posing oil. It's fair to say he injected his biceps after his injuries and possibly his shoulders as well.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-iqShGJG3D1E/TswDuAAxNlI/AAAAAAAAKCE/VXDzxqYOw7w/s463/jay-by-ronharris.jpg)
When pump-n-pose first came out in the early 90's when Jay wasn't even a pro yet, he was rumored to go through a bottle in no time...Some say he never stopped using oil. One of the dirty secrets about this particular bodybuilder...
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When pump-n-pose first came out in the early 90's when Jay wasn't even a pro yet, he was rumored to go through a bottle in no time...Some say he never stopped using oil. One of the dirty secrets about this particular bodybuilder...
If you use it in small doses, it's not noticeable. When you start injecting so much that it's obvious - to replace lost muscle from injuries or declining size later in the career - it becomes abuse. Nasser and Ernie Taylor are examples. I suspect Ruhl also started dabbling in it in his late contest days.
(http://fitperson.ru/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Ruhl-14.jpg)
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Levrone and even Ray to a lesser extent were a shadow of their former selves in 2001.
If they both were a shadow of their former selves levrone wouldn't have placed 2nd in the 2000 O and Ray was always top 5....
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I'm just not seeing what is so impressive? Look at his arms in the second pic. How ridiculous is it that he didn't have a single vein in his arms? He looked like the Pillsbury Doughboy who ate a fridge.
he just looks polished here,yeah even here arms are not shredded 'detail'but he has pretty good shape with the size ,color is good here total overall look,he had yrs like that debacle he beat wolf 07 his color was like he was burnt with a match..
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he just looks polished here,yeah even here arms are not shredded 'detail'but he has pretty good shape with the size ,color is good here total overall look,he had yrs like that debacle he beat wolf 07 his color was like he was burnt with a match..
He was smart with the oil here...Over the past 1/2 decade, he's gotten lazy with mostly machine work and because so, he's gone crazy with the oil to compensate. Recipe for disaster...The oil has finally turned on him...
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he just looks polished here,yeah even here arms are not shredded 'detail'but he has pretty good shape with the size ,color is good here total overall look,he had yrs like that debacle he beat wolf 07 his color was like he was burnt with a match..
he has striated quads in that shot.
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If they both were a shadow of their former selves levrone wouldn't have placed 2nd in the 2000 O and Ray was always top 5....
Come on now. Levrone placed 2nd in 2000 because most of the ELITE competition was either no longer on stage, or they were all getting worse.
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he has striated quads in that shot.
Never knocked his lower body, but that's only half his body. The upper part just wasn't that special.
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all true
Cutler, gifted because he sucked Manion and wienberger's cocks
and he was the all american, blonde, blue eyed white guy
if dennis wolf was american he'd have been a 5 time mr O by now
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Jay is the real "Gift".
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all true
Cutler, gifted because he sucked Manion and wienberger's cocks
and he was the all american, blonde, blue eyed white guy
if dennis wolf was american he'd have been a 5 time mr O by now
Even Wolf was nothing special (see, I'm not biased). I see him at the new millennium version of this man and btw, the 3rd pic of Ian destroys Jay Cutler on ALL levels, which just proves my overall point of this thread.
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It was all about Jay's mug for the contracts and the judges...
Smooth as fuck... still... always
Seriously overrated and all the dudes that like him are totally on his nuts. Love or hate, no in between... as much as they'd like to be
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Sure, Jay was overrated ::)
(https://fitnessorhealth.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/jaycutler77.jpg)
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Jay is FOUR TIME Mr. Olympia And YOUR NOT!
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Jay is FOUR TIME Mr. Olympia And YOUR NOT!
Too bad sucking muscle men's cocks doesn't improve your spelling.
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all politics, ruhl probably refused to suck dick judges.
so the guys who win must all suck dicks?
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Too bad sucking muscle men's cocks doesn't improve your spelling.
:D :D :D :o
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Jay is FOUR TIME Mr. Olympia And YOUR NOT!
Not sure if you're serious here. This sounds like the logic of a 5 year old. Next you're going to say everyone is a hater right?
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Sure, Jay was overrated ::)
(https://fitnessorhealth.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/jaycutler77.jpg)
Isn't this the BFTO 1999? His best shape by far, never ever replicated that, he looked full and dense with a decent sized waist for his standard... Started to follow the mass game and started abusing oil, only 2001 Olympia was somewhat close...
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Cutler used to say he had a 34" waist. Unfortunately that was the diameter.
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Cutler used to say he had a 34" waist. Unfortunately that was the diameter.
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/91c089c4c3488d24b1fc7d1ac2f5fd79.jpg)
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Jay was great, not sure what everyone is bitching about.
That Ian guy has no density. Looks like Ultimate Warrior's physique.
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Great quote by a great man
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=428638.0;attach=473065;image)
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Isn't this the BFTO 1999? His best shape by far, never ever replicated that, he looked full and dense with a decent sized waist for his standard... Started to follow the mass game and started abusing oil, only 2001 Olympia was somewhat close...
It's the day after the 2001 Mr. Olympia.
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2001 Jay looked Olympian (except his back), the rest of his shit was a testament to how stupid this chemical pageant has become.
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Jay Cutler all the way..... you shut your mouths convicts! !
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(http://cdn-w.musculardevelopment.com/photos/contests/iron/Cutler-P2155705.JPG)
He wasn't overrated at the 2003 Pro Ironman
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(http://cdn-w.musculardevelopment.com/photos/contests/iron/Cutler-P2155705.JPG)
He wasn't overrated at the 2003 Pro Ironman
IRON MAN for a measley 10,000 purse was a landmark show,had best lighting and camera angles bar none.was very big title to win.
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(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/4/3/43385-jaycutleronniecoleman2.jpg)
Jay's big mistake was trying to catch Ronnie in the size department. Well, It did help him in the short run.
But in the long run, he lost the physique that he had back in 1999-2003
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very much,here too..
Explain how he managed this condition here but never on stage. ???
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/worldclassbodybuilding/Bodybuilders/jay-cutler-is-back.jpg)
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(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/4/3/43385-jaycutleronniecoleman2.jpg)
Jay's big mistake was trying to catch Ronnie in the size department. Well, It did help him in the short run.
But in the long run, he lost the physique that he had back in 1999-2003
I beg to differ.
Jay had a large and blocky structure and thus his only option was to play the "size game".
Are you saying he is supposed to compete with the likes of Dexter Jackon?
All Jay had was the ability to pack on a lot of mass, however he could not pack on as much mass as Ronnie -
this he was a perpetual second placer.
And when Ronnie slipped he was gifted a win.
Simple as that.
He definitely didn't make a mistake by playing the size game -
It was the only thing he really had going for him and he would never have earned a sandow otherwise.
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Explain how he managed this condition here but never on stage. ???
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/worldclassbodybuilding/Bodybuilders/jay-cutler-is-back.jpg)
HE looks good there and its not his best pose either,good lighting helps.
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I beg to differ.
Jay had a large and blocky structure and thus his only option was to play the "size game".
Are you saying he is supposed to compete with the likes of Dexter Jackon?
All Jay had was the ability to pack on a lot of mass, however he could not pack on as much mass as Ronnie -
this he was a perpetual second placer.
And when Ronnie slipped he was gifted a win.
Simple as that.
He definitely didn't make a mistake by playing the size game -
It was the only thing he really had going for him and he would never have earned a sandow otherwise.
I agree with you. But I feel that the blockiness that he had in 2001, looked way better than the blockiness that he had in 2010
In the long run, the blockiness became blockier.
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That's funny because in the picture, his chest has no vascularity. But the clay model does.
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HE looks good there and its not his best pose either,good lighting helps.
Yeah, look at that incredible left bicep and those insane forearms.
THIS is impressive (same shot):
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Yeah, look at that incredible left bicep and those insane forearms.
THIS is impressive (same shot):
Damn, Chris looks great.
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This dude taking Schmoing to a whole new level
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10151198_10201194450418231_7674141893477278045_n.jpg)
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=33162&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Jay was huge @ 2002 ASC
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=33162&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Jay was huge @ 2002 ASC
yeah,even with his 'over flared'arms in the front standing relaxed,he had 2x leg mass/chest much thicker,delts over chris..
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This dude taking Schmoing to a whole new level
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I hope youre kidding...
Its called talent...
When you sculpt/draw you do it after super heroes,athletes,models , you just don't draw your neighbor ... Do you?
Same goes with statues of mythological figures ..... Rodin,Hercules,Atlas,Miron etc...
WoooSSSHHHHH BEYEYE !
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I hope youre kidding...
Its called talent...
When you sculpt/draw you do it after super heroes,athletes,models , you just don't draw your neighbor ... Do you?
Same goes with statues of mythological figures ..... Rodin,Hercules,Atlas,Miron etc...
WoooSSSHHHHH BEYEYE !
It's was a joke bro