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Machines must be a waste of time. Good thing I haven't used machines for several years now.
Is it a wast of time to use machines?
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Machines must be a waste of time. Good thing I haven't used machines for several years now.
Is it a wast of time to use machines?
I think machines have their place. I use them to warm up or at the end of my workout to burn whatever energy I have left if I feel like I need to.
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Machines must be a waste of time. Good thing I haven't used machines for several years now.
Is it a wast of time to use machines?
3X Mr. Olympia Phillipe Heath disagrees
(http://www.muscleandfitness.com/sites/muscleandfitness.com/files/styles/650x360_rotator/public/Heath_0.jpg?itok=0dgxZiNb)
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Machines must be a waste of time. Good thing I haven't used machines for several years now.
Is it a wast of time to use machines?
Finally a getbigger gets it, I have being preaching this for years on this site, free weights should always be the foundation of your workout.
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3X Mr. Olympia Phillipe Heath disagrees
(http://www.muscleandfitness.com/sites/muscleandfitness.com/files/styles/650x360_rotator/public/Heath_0.jpg?itok=0dgxZiNb)
No good. I hope they have fun and feel good though. I really don't which hardship on anyone.
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There is nothing wrong with machines....the older you get the more you'll appreciate them. Young guys that haven't been injured spew the anti-machine stuff. I love the free weights and they'll always be my core, but frees, cables and machines together are excellent.
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DOMS is generally caused by the eccentric portion of a lift and tends to be mostly caused by movements where the eccentric part of the lift occurs AS THE MUSCLE GROUP IS STRETCHED. For example, think of dumbbell flies - the pecs become more and more stretched during the eccentric portion of the lift. The stiff leg deadlift is another example, as is the dumbbell pullover. These types of movements cause severe DOMS.
Very few machines I can think of put the muscle in a truly stretched position during the eccentric portion of the lift like free weights can.
BTW, DOMS is not a good indicator of muscle growth. For example, stretch one hamstring hard with a rope or towel for 30 seconds and repeat several times throughout the day. Don't do anything to the other one. See how they compare the next day. I think DOMS is largely due to the stretching of and trauma to the fascia surrounding the muscle.
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Dude, you could go and push your car to the gas station b/c you ran out of gas in the middle of nowhere.
Trust me when I tell you, the next day you will have D.O.M.S. everywhere.
So, would you bring your car into the gym???
Saying that the eccentric phase of a contraction is generally known to cause D.O.M.S is a myth. In actuality, what causes D.O.M.S. specifically has not yet been scientifically proven.
Now, if I put you through a day of PNF stretching, or even if you had an extreme deep-tissue massage, do you think you would be sore the next day?
In summary: Machines are NOT going more D.O.M.S than free weights or anything else.
Some people don't ever get sore after anything, others get sore over anything... especially something new.
I think there are all different kinds of post-workout pain that we just randomly call "D.O.M.S"
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Dude, you could go and push your car to the gas station b/c you ran out of gas in the middle of nowhere.
Trust me when I tell you, the next day you will have D.O.M.S. everywhere.
So, would you bring your car into the gym???
Saying that the eccentric phase of a contraction is generally known to cause D.O.M.S is a myth. In actuality, what causes D.O.M.S. specifically has not yet been scientifically proven.
Now, if I put you through a day of PNF stretching, or even if you had an extreme deep-tissue massage, do you think you would be sore the next day?
In summary: Machines are NOT going more D.O.M.S than free weights or anything else.
Some people don't ever get sore after anything, others get sore over anything... especially something new.
I think there are all different kinds of post-workout pain that we just randomly call "D.O.M.S"
The eccentric portion has been shown to cause the most soreness. But the last point you made is correct. I think a lot of different types of soreness with different causes are just lumped together as DOMS. Lactic acid build up from sprinting is one that always has me sore the next day if I haven't done it in awhile.
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your muscle doesnt know if its on a machine or free bar.
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your muscle doesnt know if its on a machine or free bar.
Sure the muscle has no idea what kind of exercise and reps you are doing.
(http://www.zacharyacohen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/sprinter-vs-runner.jpg)
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your muscle doesnt know if its on a machine or free bar.
It doesn't, but your central nervous system does. And it fucking controls your muscles.
Read some research on how differently body responds to free weights and machines and in the meanwhile, sit back and don't involve in discussions about matters you know nothing about. Thx.
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Sure the muscle has no idea what kind of exercise and reps you are doing.
(http://www.zacharyacohen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/sprinter-vs-runner.jpg)
Way to misquote someone.
Your muscle doesnt know it its on a machine doing lots of reps or with a free bar doing lots of reps, same goes for a few reps. ::)
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It doesn't, but your central nervous system does. And it fucking controls your muscles.
Read some research on how differently body responds to free weights and machines and in the meanwhile, sit back and don't involve in discussions about matters you know nothing about. Thx.
free weights stimulate supporting muscles where machines tend to isolate.
You can stress an individual muscle just as much with a machine that with a free bar, in fact I would argue more in certain circumstances.
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Free weights make better, more balanced bodies.
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I never get sore from lifting. I wonder if has something to do with lifting weights for 40 plus years. At the end of back I was training with a guy and I said let's finish with some dead lifts. Using 315lbs we got our reps and sets in. My one time training partner said he was really sore from the workout and I felt nothing.
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Many machines you don't even have to grip hard to hold on to the weight. That has to have an effect on the overall muscle and stabilizing muscles...
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Does anyone get a better pump from pure steel weights as opposed to rubber/coated weights ..?
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Sure the muscle has no idea what kind of exercise and reps you are doing.
(http://www.zacharyacohen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/sprinter-vs-runner.jpg)
That Hebrew is in the NFL. He's not a sprinter.
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it's all about that stabilizers muscles buddy.....
::)
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My head got sore just reading this thread! :D
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Most getbiggers don't lift to avoid D.O.M.S.
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I don't like wearing DOMS while banging hoes.
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Most getbiggers don't lift to avoid D.O.M.S.
Now ya` tell me! >:(
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This will give you a better pump than free weights and machines.
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Does anyone get a better pump from pure steel weights as opposed to rubber/coated weights ..?
For some reason, I feel a better muscle connection when I use iron DBs with smaller diameter handles than rubber DBs with large diameter handles. I don't have large hands.
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Minutia Of Peace
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For some reason, I feel a better muscle connection when I use iron DBs with smaller diameter handles than rubber DBs with large diameter handles. I don't have large hands.
Almost as if they give the feeling of the weight being heavier , and I get a much more direct pump response with the smaller handles too.
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With free weights you have to balance and hold they weight in the groove needed to perform the exercise. With cable or machine you are locked into a track that takes away the need for secondary muscle to come into play to stabilize your path. Free weight are always the best and if you are injured you just need to decrease the weight and warm up more. I have recovered fro. Injury better with free weights than any machine or track.
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The eccentric portion has been shown to cause the most soreness. But the last point you made is correct. I think a lot of different types of soreness with different causes are just lumped together as DOMS. Lactic acid build up from sprinting is one that always has me sore the next day if I haven't done it in awhile.
GREAT POST! you and dyslexic, both
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For back, it seems like the lat machine is superior to free weights.
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at some point, they're going to have to start offering broscience courses in college.
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My head got sore just reading this thread! :D
Ditto ~
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Beating a dead horse is always fun....
so...
in essence, the "eccentric" phase of the contraction is simply most commonly known for activating (possibly) more muscle fibers and, more importantly LENGTHENING the muscle fibers, which in turn, truly, is just a STRETCH
Stretch the living shit outta someone, they are going to be sore the next day, at the insertion points and possibly the origins of the muscle
Give someone a DEEP TISSUE MASSAGE (like that???) If you've never had a REAL true, blue deep tissue massage, you are in for a big surprise. Even if the biotch lays hot presses and cold presses on you afterwards, YOU WILL STILL BE SORE the next day
I can't believe that some people here would actually say "Don't comment unless you know WTF you are talking about"
If bodybuilding and all phases of contraction were TRULY understood by science, we wouldn't need trainers, books, workout programs, rags and who knows what else to try to tell us how to build muscle.
We would have a "one size fits all" program, we would have learned it a long time ago and EVERYBODY would be doing it. Mentzer never would have argued with Arnold about repetitions, or "high-volume' training.
The only way to stretch a muscle is through the eccentric phase of contraction. Point is, you could avoid the eccentric portion, just overload the muscle with time-under-tension, and then stretch the muscle real good after the pump.
You will be sore, most likely.
You could also JUST STRETCH without weights and STILL BE SORE the next day.
So much shit in bodybuilding and fitness is entirely subjective, hence; mags, rags, books, internet and DISCUSSIONS LIKE THIS!
Right? Right.
Do you know that scientists still argue about hyperplasia and hypertrophy? Does that mean anything to anyone? You gonna change up your workout tomorrow?
Now, with all the scientific data processing in the world, why didn't that ugly jackass in Generation Iron win the Mr. O???? I mean, he hooked up diodes and had computers and scientists showing him schematics and electronic data that was supposedly entirely and one hundred percent accurate, and this shit was going on with EVERY repetition. His nutrition was approached the same way, yet he failed miserably and truly appeared to be disappointed? But, but, but.... I wonder if he went back to the lab after his loss and burned it to the ground? Ya know, just like the competitor loser blames his/her coach/trainer when they lose and praises them when they win?
Shall we blame genetics? Or maybe the fact that we just don't know if the Myostatin gene is truly inhibited allowing only those with this genetic predisposition to possibly 'gain muscle and lose fat at the same time' ????
We are just truly ignorant individuals, (myself included), that are grasping at straws when all we really have is empirical data. What works for US!
Yeah, so what if you ripped out Lee Labradas workout in FLEX magazine 20 years ago.... do you now look like him?
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3X Mr. Olympia Phillipe Heath disagrees
(http://www.muscleandfitness.com/sites/muscleandfitness.com/files/styles/650x360_rotator/public/Heath_0.jpg?itok=0dgxZiNb)
lol
that 6 inch back rest goes from shoulder to shoulder on that narrow son of a bitch. ;D
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I never get sore from lifting. I wonder if has something to do with lifting weights for 40 plus years. At the end of back I was training with a guy and I said let's finish with some dead lifts. Using 315lbs we got our reps and sets in. My one time training partner said he was really sore from the workout and I felt nothing.
Use more weight.
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I actually get better pumps and DOM's using machines but better results using weights.
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lol
that 6 inch back rest goes from shoulder to shoulder on that narrow son of a bitch. ;D
lolol ;D ;D
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Machines must be a waste of time. Good thing I haven't used machines for several years now.
Is it a wast of time to use machines?
Not true at all. Ever do a run though on 1st generation Nautilus? NEVER got a pump like that since...
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Your muscles dont know the difference between a round weight on a bar, or a square weight on a cable. They know how to contract.
If I'm pushing up 4 plates a side on the hammer strength incline...every muscle in my body is contracting. Even my "stabilizing muscles".....fucking idiots....LOLOLOL ::)
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Your muscles dont know the difference between a round weight on a bar, or a square weight on a cable. They know how to contract.
If I'm pushing up 4 plates a side on the hammer strength incline...every muscle in my body is contracting. Even my "stabilizing muscles".....fucking idiots....LOLOLOL ::)
Bullcrap.
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Bullcrap.
Yeah I'm doing it wrong
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Yeah I'm doing it wrong
Not wider than Heath but sexy arms. :-*
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Not wider than Heath but sexy arms. :-*
Me narrow...thats a good one.
Trolls gonna troll....LOL
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Me narrow...thats a good one.
Trolls gonna troll....LOL
Right..."trolling."
(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2006/10/Phillip_Heath_012-1.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=534545.0;attach=563279;image)
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Greg Valvolino has students....
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Right..."trolling."
(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2006/10/Phillip_Heath_012-1.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=534545.0;attach=563279;image)
Lets see you next to Mr Olympia...LOL. With your fat pudgy dwarf legs.
,training 30 years, decades in the gym, 15 years on the boards. Not a soul has ever said I'm narrow, just the opposite....but the fat troll knows better. ::)
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Lets see you next to Mr Olympia...LOL. With your fat pudgy dwarf legs.
,training 30 years, decades in the gym, 15 years on the boards. Not a soul has ever said I'm narrow, just the opposite....but the fat troll knows better. ::)
Relax man, you're too uptight.
You're not wider than Heath. Hence, "not as wide as Heath". But I complimented your arms. You had to go spoil a nice gesture by getting buttfrustrated again.
This is why no one likes you, dude. Your sense of humor's like your natural test production, always off.
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Relax man, you're too uptight.
You're not wider than Heath. Hence, "not as wide as Heath". But I complimented your arms. You had to go spoil a nice gesture by getting buttfrustrated again.
This is why no one likes you, dude. Your sense of humor's like your natural test production, always off.
Did you get tears on your keyboard when you typed that ?
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Did you get tears on your keyboard when you typed that ?
No. Why would I have tears on my keyboard?
That's a really weird question, guy. I mean, completely unrelated to what I said. Sometimes I wonder if your brain consists of just a stem and some floating dust particles on top of a pair of swollen arms.
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No. Why would I have tears on my keyboard?
That's a really weird question, guy. I mean, completely unrelated to what I said. Sometimes I wonder if your brain consists of just a stem and some floating dust particles on top of a pair of swollen arms.
Ah....the old..."I'm smart , and you're stupid because you have big muscles" ::)
You're a whiny cunt who analyzes the living shit out of everything..that's why I said that.
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Ah....the old..."I'm smart , and you're stupid because you have big muscles" ::)
You're a whiny cunt who analyzes the living shit out of everything..that's why I said that.
Why do you have to be so profane all the time? Can't you just express yourself without dropping a single f- or c-bomb in your posts? It really shows your lack of a vocabulary, bud. Not to mention your kneejerk reflex to attack everyone when they tease you means you're probably terrible company in real life. Must be lonely to be you.
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Why do you have to be so profane all the time? Can't you just express yourself without dropping a single f- or c-bomb in your posts? It really shows your lack of a vocabulary, bud. Not to mention your kneejerk reflex to attack everyone when they tease you means you're probably terrible company in real life. Must be lonely to be you.
My god what a drama queen. It's like your Life depends on wininng the argument....LOL.
"You're a lonely man!!!" Hahahaba... ::)
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My god what a drama queen. It's like your Life depends on wininng the argument....LOL.
"You're a lonely man!!!" Hahahaba... ::)
I just want you to stop being so angry and start living life like a normal person. It starts with admitting you have a problem. If someone here doesn't care, who will? It's not like you have friends or a family. We're here for you, man.
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I just want you to stop being so angry and start living life like a normal person. It starts with admitting you have a problem. If someone here doesn't care, who will? It's not like you have friends or a family. We're here for you, man.
I took my imaginary daughter to see "Divergent" this afternoon. I'll be heading out with my imaginary girlfriend this evening.. you'll be on Getbig. Or posting up juniors videos on youtube so he cant remove them..what a rich life you lead.....LOLOLOL.
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I took my imaginary daughter to see "Divergent" this afternoon. I'll be heading with my imaginary girlfriend this evening.. you'll be on Getbig. Or posting up juniors videos on youtube so he cant remove them..what a rich life you lead.....LOLOLOL.
Wow, you brought kids into the world? I feel sorry for them.
It would be embarrassing to have a father who sits on the Internet in his early 50s and viciously attacks people for no reason. Let's hope she never finds out you post here.
Do you ever use your gf as a punching bag when you drop your anadrol tablets into the sink drain by accident?
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Wow, you brought kids into the world? I feel sorry for them.
It would be embarrassing to have a father who sits on the Internet in his early 50s and viciously attacks people for no reason. Let's hope she never finds out you post here.
Do you ever use your gf as a punching bag when you drop your anadrol tablets into the sink drain by accident?
"Oooooh yeah....this will really hurt his feelings." ::) Lololol, you're unintentionally funny.
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"Oooooh yeah....this will really hurt his feelings." ::) Lololol, you're unintentionally funny.
Might want to rephrase that. Sarcasm doesn't filter well online.
Wouldn't want you to come across as stupid or something. ;)
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Might want to rephrase that. Sarcasm doesn't filter well online.
Wouldn't want you to come across as stupid or something. ;)
No worries of that happening as long as you're here, posting patently stupid things like telling a complete stranger he has no family or friends. ::)
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No worries of that happening as long as you're here, posting patently stupid things like telling a complete stranger he has no family or friends. ::)
You act like your account just started posting here last week or something. It's pretty obvious you're an angry psychopath with drinking problems and good arms (but not much else). I'm just humoring you by pretending to listen to your angry rants with interest. Well, that's not true. A part of me hopes it's a kind of outlet for you to vent your rage at being a failure with no redeeming qualities or accomplishments after 2/3 of your life's already spent. ;)
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For some reason, this conversation reminds me of this scene in Fight Club.
http://www.moviewavs.com/0093058674/WAVS/Movies/Fight_Club/come_in.wav (http://www.moviewavs.com/0093058674/WAVS/Movies/Fight_Club/come_in.wav)
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You act like your account just started posting here last week or something. It's pretty obvious you're an angry psychopath with drinking problems and good arms (but not much else). I'm just humoring you by pretending to listen to your angry rants with interest. Well, that's not true. A part of me hopes it's a kind of outlet for you to vent your rage at being a failure with no redeeming qualities or accomplishments after 2/3 of your life's already spent. ;)
Hahahahaaaaaa. Could you try any harder
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Hahahahaaaaaa. Could you try any harder
At what, dissecting your miserable life?
Well, if you insist...
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At what, dissecting your miserable life?
Well, if you insist...
You really don't see how pathetic your whole angle is, do you?
Every one of your comments is an attack on.my personal life, because I didnt agree that you called me narrow...but I'm the angry guy who attacks people..OK then ;)
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You really don't see how pathetic your whole angle is, do you?
Every one of your comments is an attack on.my personal life, because I didnt agree that you called me narrow...but I'm the angry guy who attacks people..OK then ;)
You're just really easy to get going, to be honest. Otherwise I wouldn't do it. It's rare to meet someone who's so easy to rile up on the Internet. It's something anyone here can do while cooking a meal, writing an e-mail, watching TV, and just refreshing the thread every 5-10 minutes. You're just that predictable, man. Booty did it just a few days back. It was funny seeing you flail like an angry teenager who got rejected by the girl who's out of his league.
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You're just really easy to get going, to be honest. Otherwise I wouldn't do it. It's rare to meet someone who's so easy to rile up on the Internet. It's something anyone here can do while cooking a meal, writing an e-mail, watching TV, and just refreshing the thread every 5-10 minutes. You're just that predictable, man. Booty did it just a few days back. It was funny seeing you flail like an angry teenager who got rejected by the girl who's out of his league.
Still trying too hard. Its probably the fatness
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Still trying too hard. Its probably the fatness
You got rejected by a fake-breasted bottle blond in her mid-40s who let a pro bodybuilder take a groink on her chest.
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You got rejected by a fake-breasted bottle blond in her mid-40s who let a pro bodybuilder take a groink on her chest.
Yes because that's what happened. You're an idiot who has nothing but the internet, is.like life or death that you "own" people. Funny to watch.
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Yes because that's what happened. You're an idiot who has nothing but the internet, is.like life or death that you "own" people. Funny to watch.
That's nice but does this sound like the behavior of a normal person your age towards other people?
More like I would piss in her mouth and kick her in the stomach if she was laying injured in the street.
I like you too .
She sickEns me. ...sorry. "my vagina is dry" "I can't stop thinking about cock" "everyone looks at my boobs"...ugh..please die in a fire
You're seriously fucked in the head, man. I'm surprised you're not back in prison. You're nuttier than a Snickers.
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Free weights allow a more natural movement of the muscle, therefore, a better pump. :)
Oh wait.........
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That's nice but does this sound like the behavior of a normal person your age towards other people?
You're seriously fucked in the head, man. I'm surprised you're not back in prison. You're nuttier than a Snickers.
Now he's going thru my posts and quoting me. Owning your mind was effortless...LOLOL.
Here's a tip....I dont care what I write here, or who likes it. It's a dumbass forum....that you take very seriously.
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Now he's going thru my posts and quoting me. Owning your mind was effortless...LOLOL.
Here's a tip....I dont care what I write here, or who likes it. It's a dumbass forum....that you take very seriously.
Actually, I was posting in that thread when you made those threats towards Booty. I guess you haven't learned that violence towards women is one of the lowest things a man can do, even if it's just the threat. How old are you, man? Your skin looks 50 but you act like a guy preparing to shoot up a church in his early 20s.
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Actually, I was posting in that thread when you made those threats towards Booty. I guess you haven't learned that violence towards women is one of the lowest things a man can do, even if it's just the threat. How old are you, man? Your skin looks 50 but you act like a guy preparing to shoot up a church in his early 20s.
Yes because I'm going to fly to Australia and beat booty up ::)
Your posts reek of desperation..."must...hurt...Groinks... ..feelings....aaaargh."
Hahahahaha.
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Yes because I'm going to fly to Australia and beat booty up ::)
Your posts reek of desperation..."must...hurt...Groinks... ..feelings....aaaargh."
Hahahahaha.
I honestly feel sorry for you. A part of me enjoys picking on your fragile ego and tossing it into the virtual paper shredder but then I consider that there's people who actually have to interact with you in real-life and it makes me feel even more sorry for them. Your worthless existence thereby extends its mediocrity to other people and lowers their quality of life as well. Talk about selfish. I think your saving grace is that your identity basically revolves around the circumference of your right arm.
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I honestly feel sorry for you. A part of me enjoys picking on your fragile ego and tossing it into the virtual paper shredder but then I consider that there's people who actually have to interact with you in real-life and it makes me feel even more sorry for them. Your worthless existence thereby extends its mediocrity to other people and lowers their quality of life as well. Talk about selfish. I think your saving grace is that your identity basically revolves around the circumference of your right arm.
Reaching critical mass now.....LOL.
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Reaching critical mass now.....LOL.
You're not even trying anymore. My work here's done.
See you next week for your regular ego whipping.
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You're not even trying anymore. My work here's done.
See you next week for your regular ego whipping.
I was never trying..you're childs play.
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Well I guess the pump left this thread.
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Groink is like "I am a convict and do shitty manual labour job but I built decent physique over 20 years of steroid abuse so I am more than entitled to give an opinion about training".
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Groink is like "I am a convict and do shitty manual labour job but I built decent physique over 20 years of steroid abuse so I am more than entitled to give an opinion about training".
He's got one of the best physiques on this site, at an age where most men look like utter shit.
Why wouldn't he be qualified?
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Bullcrap.
Effervescent ,
Bragging about your build while on steroids is just silly and means nothing. Let's see what your build was before steroids. Bragging about pressing four plates on a hammer strength means nothing. Let's see what you can press on a real free weight incline. I thought so. Also if every muscle in your body is working while your pressing 4 plates on the hammer strength then I imagine it may be too much weight for you.
There is a real difference in how the body mechanic works with free weights as opposed to machines hammerstrength and or cables. Hammer strength machines are great yet not a true test of one's real power or strength same for cables or machines. They work in a fixed track that takes the stabilizer muscles that harnessed for balance. This is why good powerlifters are so thick and masive, they have built not only the major muscle groups but all secondary as well.
So back to the pump question. Try this one out. Perform fairly heavy bent over barbell rows in your best form for as many sets and reps until good form is hard to do. Then proceed to either the flat barbell bench press or incline press with a fairly heavy weight in the same fashion. Rest no more than one min between your sets. You will be pumped up like king fuck.ing Kong. Every muscle in your upper body will be engorged and rammed full of blood.
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Your muscles dont know the difference between a round weight on a bar, or a square weight on a cable. They know how to contract.
If I'm pushing up 4 plates a side on the hammer strength incline...every muscle in my body is contracting. Even my "stabilizing muscles".....fucking idiots....LOLOLOL ::)
And this is why you have shit forearms.