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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: _aj_ on May 05, 2014, 12:39:56 PM
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http://www.t-nation.com/training/why-bodybuilders-are-more-jacked-than-powerlifters
Yes, I know that it is in T-Nation ( ::) oh brother ::) ), but this was a pretty good article by a couple of guys that know a few things. And unlike most T-Nation articles, there was not one mention of their overpriced supplements.
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working the muscle specifically in different rep ranges.
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moving the weight to position with every muscle you can mobilize to generate the most force
or in short
mind-muscle Vs. moving weight
not rocket science
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powerlifters: extreme ego lifting pumkin heads
bodybuilders: sculptors of their own bodies
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bodybuilders....allergic to working hard and enjoy posing for dudes...powerlifters enjoy competing and food
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Very true....hard to train heavy without getting nicked up. I think its why a lot of raw lifters are now obsessed with dynamic warm ups, mobility and other prehab/rehab.....
Bodybuilders incorporate a wide variety into their workouts and often don't have a "set plan" when they enter the gym. Many have a general idea about what they want to accomplish, but typically leave room for spontaneity based on biofeedback. This variety and loose-structure could theoretically lead to greater muscle growth over time due to decreased likelihood of injury.
The lifter who can come to the gym week in, week out for many years and perform productive, pain-free workouts will accumulate more lean mass than the lifter who is always banged up, training through pain, and suffering from tears and ruptures.
Since absolute strength is paramount to a powerlifter, many times a powerlifter will ignore glaring biofeedback telling them to back off. For example, perhaps the pecs feel a bit strained on bench day, or the low back feels dodgy on deadlift day. The powerlifter will usually stick to the plan and push through it, while the bodybuilder will work around it.
Since the bodybuilder thinks in terms of "working muscles" instead of building lifts, often he'll listen to the body's warning signals and find a movement that doesn't set off red flags. Perhaps he finds that he's able to perform high rep incline presses with no pain to substitute for the bench press, and high rep back extensions and chest supported rows to substitute for deadlifts
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Nice to see that they still recycle the same articles every few years in magazines. In the year 2525 (if man is still alive....), we can still probably look forward to the shocking revelation that different training methods produce slightly difference results, and how there's an arm program to add an inch to your biceps in 24 hours or some such ::) :).
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Yeah but atleast on T Nation you can skip 30 pages of 'special Reports' where Jay Cutler and a team of muscle tech scientists are hunched over a test tube creating the next big supp.
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I hate to say it (need a comprehensive no homo disclaimer) but... Powerlifters look much better than bodybuilders IMO. They look like I want to look at least.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2012/powerlifter-to-bodybuilder-thats-a-kroc_c2.jpg)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/207qii9.jpg)
(http://acceleratedmuscle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/ivan-powerlifter-ripped.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/GGz29.jpg)
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I hate to say it (need a comprehensive no homo disclaimer) but... Powerlifters look much better than bodybuilders IMO. They look like I want to look at least.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2012/powerlifter-to-bodybuilder-thats-a-kroc_c2.jpg)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/207qii9.jpg)
(http://acceleratedmuscle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/ivan-powerlifter-ripped.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/GGz29.jpg)
Yep, thats exactly what powerlifters normally look like. ::)
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For what it's worth, the largest powerlifters over the years tended to work across a ton of different rep brackets. Kazmaier, Young, etc.... all had a tremendous amount of hypertrophy work in their programs. Really more of a power bodybuilding approach for a significant part of the year in lifters past.
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i hate these discussions with the typical exceptions being posted etc
fuck you ass holes
pl look like shit
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Haha, yes "T(::))-Nation(::))" is a pretty ::) ::) ::) name.
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Pussy pulling...
(http://bearmythology.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/shirtless-bear-patriot-powerlifter.jpg)
(http://pfiesterpfit.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/powerlifting-squat.jpg)
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article about bulking
http://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/bulking-diet-delusion
it's another pointless article
it still pushes the caloric surplus story so what are they saying
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I hate to say it (need a comprehensive no homo disclaimer) but... Powerlifters look much better than bodybuilders IMO. They look like I want to look at least.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2012/powerlifter-to-bodybuilder-thats-a-kroc_c2.jpg)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/207qii9.jpg)
(http://acceleratedmuscle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/ivan-powerlifter-ripped.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/GGz29.jpg)
heavy compound lifting of peace ,
Most bodybuilders have no real tolerance for pain , and thats why hardly any of them look like this.
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heavy compound lifting of peace ,
Most bodybuilders have no real tolerance for pain , and thats why hardly any of them look like this.
Yeah!
The best looking power lifters look 10x better than the best looking bodybuilders.
(http://i28.tinypic.com/imouxi.jpg)
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http://www.t-nation.com/training/why-bodybuilders-are-more-jacked-than-powerlifters
Yes, I know that it is in T-Nation ( ::) oh brother ::) ), but this was a pretty good article by a couple of guys that know a few things. And unlike most T-Nation articles, there was not one mention of their overpriced supplements.
I have a real hard time reading training articles by online "gurus" that do more research than train. I'll give it to Schoenfeld that he has more credibility than Contreras who is a pompous ass (pun intended).
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It's much harder to go in and do a couple of triples with 15 mins rest between sets than it is to do a high volume session with multiple sets of 8-12 reps with short rest periods.
Bodybuilders simply don't know what it means to train hard.
Dante has always said powerlifters have superior ponderal density to bodybuilders (in fact only Sumo Wrestlers carry more lean muscle) and super heavyweight powerlifter Mike Miller proved this when he dieted down.
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmhciv68z91qk65fgo1_500.jpg)
Boom! Lights out.
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It's much harder to go in and do a couple of triples with 15 mins rest between sets than it is to do a high volume session with multiple sets of 8-12 reps with short rest periods.
Bodybuilders simply don't know what it means to train hard.
Dante has always said powerlifters have superior ponderal density to bodybuilders (in fact only Sumo Wrestlers carry more lean muscle) and super heavyweight powerlifter Mike Miller proved this when he dieted down.
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmhciv68z91qk65fgo1_500.jpg)
Boom! Lights out.
What's a triple?
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What's a triple?
triple big mac
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It's much harder to go in and do a couple of triples with 15 mins rest between sets than it is to do a high volume session with multiple sets of 8-12 reps with short rest periods.
Bodybuilders simply don't know what it means to train hard.
Dante has always said powerlifters have superior ponderal density to bodybuilders (in fact only Sumo Wrestlers carry more lean muscle) and super heavyweight powerlifter Mike Miller proved this when he dieted down.
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmhciv68z91qk65fgo1_500.jpg)
Boom! Lights out.
Lol wtf that's one of the worst physiques I've ever seen, considering the guy trains hard & juices
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powerlifters: extreme ego lifting pumkin heads
bodybuilders: sculptors of their own bodies
BBr go on and on their numbers on the leg press ::)
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triple big mac
lol
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BBr go on and on their numbers on the leg press ::)
Powerlifter detected
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powerlifters: extreme ego lifting pumkin heads
bodybuilders: sculptors of their own bodies
You see this is why you're getting such shit results even while dosing, you prolly dont lift heavy at all and haven't got the faintest god damn idea about mental intensity and the desire to win. yYou're better suited for HIT, the lazy bodybuilders bread and butter.
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Most bodybuilders have no real tolerance for pain , and thats why hardly any of them look like this.
And serious endurance athletes are much tougher mentally than both bodybuilders and powerlifters. :D
I know my comment is off topic but this "hardcore mentality" that a lot of weighlifters try to portray is quite silly imo.
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And serious endurance athletes are much tougher mentally than both bodybuilders and powerlifters. :D
I know my comment is off topic but this "hardcore mentality" that a lot of weighlifters try to portray is quite silly imo.
I have been into endurance sport. When your body is adapted and u are in the zone u can force it till u die without pain. There is no pain, if there is pain, u do it wrong!
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Pain and suffer is for storytellers andmovie producers. there isent such a thing in real sport. The champ go and train, its their everyday job, nothing drastic at all. At competitionday the pusch the limits! If u make money on your body u need to be careful and smart. Pain and gain philosofy is for stupid gymrats who dosent make it.
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People gravitate towards what they are good at. If a guy with elite bodybuilding genetics does powerlifting he will be jacked as hell... like a Coleman or Johnnie Jackson or Pudzian. If these guys did bodybuilding drugs with a pure powerlifting program with no thought of gaining symmetrical size they would still look great from a bodybuilding perspective.
Showing powerlifters with shit physiques as a proof of their training not causing muscle gain does not tell the whole story. There is no guarantee these guys would be any more muscular on a typical bodybuilding program.
Sure, there are many things powerlifters do which are not conducive to bodybuilding but don't forget the most important factor which is genetics. People like to compete at whatever they are naturally good at.
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People gravitate towards what they are good at. If a guy with elite bodybuilding genetics does powerlifting he will be jacked as hell... like a Coleman or Johnnie Jackson or Pudzian. If these guys did bodybuilding drugs with a pure powerlifting program with no thought of gaining symmetrical size they would still look great from a bodybuilding perspective.
Showing powerlifters with shit physiques as a proof of their training not causing muscle gain does not tell the whole story. There is no guarantee these guys would be any more muscular on a typical bodybuilding program.
Sure, there are many things powerlifters do which are not conducive to bodybuilding but don't forget the most important factor which is genetics. People like to compete at whatever they are naturally good at.
YES YES YES! Some out there know the truth to. Nice to hear!
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How did I know in advance that this thread would be right up there with one of the most ignorant in GB history?
Wonder if anyone really wants to know the truth about the differences between bodybuilders and powerlifters and why their looks can easily change from one to the other?
Hmmmm....
Probably not.
Let's leave this to the uninformed ad infinitum "beating a dead horse" in 30 more pages...
Peace.
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It's much harder to go in and do a couple of triples with 15 mins rest between sets than it is to do a high volume session with multiple sets of 8-12 reps with short rest periods.
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you must be kidding, right?
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you must be kidding, right?
It read as sarcasm.
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Yep, thats exactly what powerlifters normally look like. ::)
Yes, they do. I am talking about raw IPF powerlifting or weightlifting, not some weird-ass federations with multiply suits, half squats where you don't have to even move with the weight and so on.
(http://i.imgur.com/rffK2tE.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/oLwNzz5.jpg)
I am not "huge" or even "big" and I am not willing to sacrifice my health in order to get there but I am not "fat" by any means as well. In my weight class I am average when it comes to bodyfat.
Meet Lu Xiaojun:
(http://www.gym-talk.com/wp-content/uploads/lu3.png)
More shredded than Galeniko year round.
Front squats more than Dan Green (also a great physique):
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Mr Deceiver, looking at your pics, what exactly are you arguing? ???
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Who Is The Sickest Squatter?
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Deadlift Session Bodybuilder vs Strongman vs Powerlifter
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Bodybuilder Meets Powerlifter (eng sub)
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what's the point of even working out if you look like shit?
too many fat dudes walking around in sleeveless t-shirts thinking they're "jacked"
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what's the point of even working out if you look like shit?
too many fat dudes walking around in sleeveless t-shirts thinking they're "jacked"
makes me cringe
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I have a real hard time reading training articles by online "gurus" that do more research than train. I'll give it to Schoenfeld that he has more credibility than Contreras who is a pompous ass (pun intended).
Contreras is a bullshitting bitter twat who makes claims like "my gym was so busy with people that we couldn't handle the volume so we have to shut down".
All theory and no practice.
Brad is supposedly a decent guy but success leaves clues and a hypertrophy genius with no muscle mass at all (or ever) leaves me cold.
Plus some of his stuff is pure horseshit such as "rest intervals don't make any difference".
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Saw a short docu on the Chinese olympic weightlifting team and they have awesome physiques.
Downside was that the back of one of the dudes looked like a surgeons construction site. Another one when he got his painkillers injected had a nerve hit and fell into a coma... in short, like the internet, weightlifting is serious business.
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Contreras is a bullshitting bitter twat who makes claims like "my gym was so busy with people that we couldn't handle the volume so we have to shut down".
All theory and no practice.
Brad is supposedly a decent guy but success leaves clues and a hypertrophy genius with no muscle mass at all (or ever) leaves me cold.
Plus some of his stuff is pure horseshit such as "rest intervals don't make any difference".
I'm a regular on strengthcoach.com and Mike Boyle called him out (Contreras) on his bullshit by stating how there was no evidence of Brett even owning a gym with the exception of a few people he trained in his garage. It turned into like a 20 page thread with the input of some of the "Who's who" in the strength and conditioning world. Even though it was a somewhat respectful discussion because of the professionalism of the board members, Contreras got exposed BIG TIME.
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The people are profiting of the word and training principals of "Powerbuilding" which is something powerlifters and the truly strong bodybuilders have been doing for ever. I've always stated "why look strong if you aren't". In short its a combo of powerlifting and strongman with the three main lifts working to a max effort then the auxiliaries being geared more towards bodybuilding. You're starting too see these guys with the look of a bodybuilder but 10x stronger.
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I've always stated "why look strong if you aren't".
because nobody gives a fuck how much some fat guy can lift except other fat fucks
all that training to end up injured and overweight when you could be healthy and look great?
grow up
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I'm a regular on strengthcoach.com and Mike Boyle called him out (Contreras) on his bullshit by stating how there was no evidence of Brett even owning a gym with the exception of a few people he trained in his garage. It turned into like a 20 page thread with the input of some of the "Who's who" in the strength and conditioning world. Even though it was a somewhat respectful discussion because of the professionalism of the board members, Contreras got exposed BIG TIME.
Is that accessible to non members? I've a friend who would share that to a gazzilion people if true.
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because nobody gives a fuck how much some fat guy can lift except other fat fucks
all that training to end up injured and overweight when you could be healthy and look great?
grow up
What makes you think you have to overweight to have greater strength? In this scenario I'm not speaking of training to be a competitive powerlifter or strongman I'm stating that training this will have a distinct positive change in your physique as far as thickness and density. I've training like this for almost 40 years and I've only been injured once 12 years ago and was only out for a few days. Even at 52 I still train the same way.
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Is that accessible to non members? I've a friend who would share that to a gazzilion people if true.
It's a pay site but well worth it. I've been a member for about 8-9 years. It's a professional site for S&C coaches. Every one is pretty respectful, no cursing, etc. Wealth of knowledge on there.
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dehydration & starvation/ thread
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People gravitate towards what they are good at. If a guy with elite bodybuilding genetics does powerlifting he will be jacked as hell... like a Coleman or Johnnie Jackson or Pudzian. If these guys did bodybuilding drugs with a pure powerlifting program with no thought of gaining symmetrical size they would still look great from a bodybuilding perspective.
Showing powerlifters with shit physiques as a proof of their training not causing muscle gain does not tell the whole story. There is no guarantee these guys would be any more muscular on a typical bodybuilding program.
Sure, there are many things powerlifters do which are not conducive to bodybuilding but don't forget the most important factor which is genetics. People like to compete at whatever they are naturally good at.
Exactly.....
Also bodybuilders and powerlifters train different fiber types.
And by the way, all these threads using powerlifters who haven't competed in years. .. The current powerlifters rarely is some obese guy. Those that are are hold backs from the last era
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What's a triple?
Are you kidding?
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What's a triple?
Cardio.
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What's a triple?
Bypass
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Its changing now, in Europe anyway the top powerlifters are in decent condition
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heavy compound lifting of peace ,
Most bodybuilders have no real tolerance for pain , and thats why hardly any of them look like this.
You've obviously never done any giant sets. Ya we have some competitive power lifters in our gym, I wish I had the luxury of taking ten minutes between sets to do a triple or double. Seriously dude any bodybuilder worth his salt could easily transition into power lifting but try going the other way, not so much.
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You've obviously never done any giant sets. Ya we have some competitive power lifters in our gym, I wish I had the luxury of taking ten minutes between sets to do a triple or double. Seriously dude any bodybuilder worth his salt could easily transition into power lifting but try going the other way, not so much.
Complete BS. It's like saying maraton runner could run 100m but not the other way round. Powerlifting is tons of volume, humongous amount of low rep sets of deads, squats and bench many, many times per week. It's up to 30 WORKING sets of squats per week. I could post Belyaev's routine - 6 times per week, sometimes twice a day training with insane volume. His form is impeccable, every rep looks exactly the same and every muscle that is important is fucking huge on this guy.
Powerlifers ARE jacked. They just don't have a lot of muscle that is important to bodybuilders - small biceps, most of the time small chest (bench press over 80% of MAX is all triceps anyway, according to the research), huge quads (unless someone squats like Norton but most of the people don't), insane erectors, hams etc. Also it's different kind of muscle and looks way more impressive, but you have to witness it first hand, pictures don't tell the whole story.
To me most bodybuilders, even the "aesthetic" ones look funny - small waists with weak abs, small erectors, small traps, weird bloated muscles (sarcoplasmic hypertrophy)... They look weak and unathletic.
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To me most bodybuilders, even the "aesthetic" ones look funny - small waists with weak abs, small erectors, small traps, weird bloated muscles (sarcoplasmic hypertrophy)... They look weak and unathletic.
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Which part of the word "most" don't you understand?
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Which part of the word "most" don't you understand?
well "most" powerlifters look like fucking SHIT
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well "most" powerlifters look like fucking SHIT
How many international level IPF powerlifters do you know?
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How many international level IPF powerlifters do you know?
Which part of the word "most" don't you understand?
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Which part of the word "most" don't you understand?
Honestly the reason why it is believed that "powerlifters" look like shit is because nowadays there is a plague of lowbar, hoodie wearing fatasses who think they can be fat because they "train for strength". I've seen this type of guys, brutal 140kg x 2 squats and facebook full of shit about powerlifting. They are disgrace to the sport.
To me they are wannabies, not real powerlifters. It's like calling leg-skipping gymrats "bodybuilders". I'm talking about real powerlifters and true bodybuilders.
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Diet might have something to do with appearance, esp. In the heavier weight classes (242+). Talking PL weight classes.
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Diet might have something to do with appearance, esp. In the heavier weight classes (242+). Talking PL weight classes.
i agree fully
powerlifteres eat like SLOBS
then attribute it to "GENETICS" or a "POOR THYROID"
the retards
not all of them. I actually know ONE very, very shredded PL who competes at some weight class below 200 he is extremely extremely genetically blessed though in his case. weird tendon strength for how skinny he is
I on the other hand am SMARTER with my gear than Power lifters and guess what i am going to eat today like most days?
breaftast: 3 whole eggs, sausage, 2 slices whole toast, 2 cups black coffee, half gallon of water with bcaa (this is not me saying YOU should take bcaa it is me just stating that I do )
lunch: stir friend chicken whole breasts. broccoli or comparable green at worst a salad with oil and vinnegar. Always greens. Brown rice if i'm feeling low on energy. 1 cup of black coffee.
protein shake or small snack like 10 oz of fish cooked day before with some asparagus i cook for the week and bring to work this is between lunch and dinner
Dinner: MASSIVE amount of protein. never from teh tap. shizzo drank it all. Usually i am guilty of red meat 5 times a week. I bake/broil my steak. usually rib eye from the local butcher. With a HUGE amount of vegetables. NEVER carbs for dinner
I'll admit that on some nights i also down an entire carton of ben and jerrys. not most
and one day a week i have an ALL OUT cheat day. this day has 10,000 calories at least including a large pizza to myself
but as you guys know i am 188cm @ 106 kg and 7% bf
so i don't suggest fucking junior go out and try this. or any fat girl like that. ease your way in
but i am POSITIVE guys like AJ, chiro, ro (the bigger guys here who are still lean) etc eat very much like me
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I'll compete at 100kg in 12 days at about 8% be max. And I intend on breaking national records. I believe a lean power lifting physique (thick neck, big muscular thighs and flutes and leaning face) is ultimate pussy pulling body too
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I'll compete at 100kg in 12 days at about 8% be max. And I intend on breaking national records. I believe a lean power lifting physique (thick neck, big muscular thighs and flutes and leaning face) is ultimate pushy pulling body too
And because of the way you train. You're much thicker with a more powerful looking physique.
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Actually no one knows your 106kg 7% fucking liar
har har har
you must be VERY new here
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I have been into endurance sport. When your body is adapted and u are in the zone u can force it till u die without pain. There is no pain, if there is pain, u do it wrong!
yup, I did over half marathons twice a week and some bullshit body weight training almost daily for six months when I laid off from the gym, but when I came back I realized how much more mentally challenging squatting and deadlifting actually is, it was horrifying how exhausting squatting and deadlifting was after that long lay off. During the first two months I had to go puke few times between last sets and I was only doing light weights and high reps.
Intense half Triathlon 3-4 times a week would equal to the mental stress of medium weight/high rep till you die squats and deads, that's my honest opinion. And I didn't say squatting and deading with high reps is more beneficial for cardio than doing triathlons, I said that the mental stress is similar maybe then.
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Complete BS. It's like saying maraton runner could run 100m but not the other way round. Powerlifting is tons of volume, humongous amount of low rep sets of deads, squats and bench many, many times per week. It's up to 30 WORKING sets of squats per week. I could post Belyaev's routine - 6 times per week, sometimes twice a day training with insane volume. His form is impeccable, every rep looks exactly the same and every muscle that is important is fucking huge on this guy.
Powerlifers ARE jacked. They just don't have a lot of muscle that is important to bodybuilders - small biceps, most of the time small chest (bench press over 80% of MAX is all triceps anyway, according to the research), huge quads (unless someone squats like Norton but most of the people don't), insane erectors, hams etc. Also it's different kind of muscle and looks way more impressive, but you have to witness it first hand, pictures don't tell the whole story.
To me most bodybuilders, even the "aesthetic" ones look funny - small waists with weak abs, small erectors, small traps, weird bloated muscles (sarcoplasmic hypertrophy)... They look weak and unathletic.
A marathon runner could not run the hundred meter, but I'm willing to bet a sprinter could run a marathon. Sprinter equals bodybuilder. When I first joined a serious gym it was shared by a powerlifting team that sent guys to the worlds. but the strongest guy in the gym was a bodybuilder, who eventually won the Canada's.
As for the volume thing, I'm just a gym rat but I train six days out of nine and so hitting each bodypart twice. My total number of reps would easily beat Beylavs Higher reps are way more beneficial than lower reps, That is why bodybuilders look different from powerlifters. That's not to say I don't beleive in training heavy, I always used to go for maxes, but as I got smarter ( and that took a long long time) I now try to rep out. If you don't believe me get on the squat rack and see just how much harder it is to do 315 for twenty vs 500 for three. I know the powerlifters in my gym crap out at around twelve. Raw of course.
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Ultra running tends to be done at about 10 min mile pace. Once your aerobic system is well-trained, the cardio isn't the issue. What makes it tough is the nagging stuff like blisters and minor muscle issues that you have to deal with for hours on end.
As someone who runs and lifts, there's nothing that puts me in oxygen debt like a hard set of 12-15 rep squats. With regard to actual pain, high rep crunches produce a lactate build up that eventually leave you no choice but to stop.
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When I see a muscular strength athlete i'm always shocked of how lean they are , even the biggest guys. Huge lean and strong , attained from the use of heavy free weights and good genes. A 5'8 insulin abusing so called "bodybuilder" who only trains machines does not look lean to me they look handicapped weak unathletic and incapable. Even in public these guys get laughed at by normal people , groups of teenagers whispering and laughing at them.
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What's a triple?
Cardio.
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:D
Were they joking?
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When I see a muscular strength athlete i'm always shocked of how lean they are , even the biggest guys. Huge lean and strong , attained from the use of heavy free weights and good genes. A 5'8 insulin abusing so called "bodybuilder" who only trains machines does not look lean to me they look handicapped weak unathletic and incapable. Even in public these guys get laughed at by normal people , groups of teenagers whispering and laughing at them.
I agree with that. There are a couple of guys at our gym like that, short and stocky blocks with no flow, but that;s not insulin, that is just bad genetics. The guys who make the best bodybuilders do have an athletic background. Phil was a basketball player, Ronnie played football, Franco was a boxer and powerlifter, Sergio was an Olympic lifter and Arnold, well he just had superior Aryan genetics