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Title: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: bigmc on May 12, 2014, 01:30:11 PM
my macros today

made me feel like shit

i normally have 150 to 200g of protein ala adonis principles of peace

today was

358g of protein

132g of carbs

56g of fat

burping and farting like a bull frog
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Icelord on May 12, 2014, 01:33:17 PM
Are you getting all that from conventional lean protein or just eating what feels right but falls within the macro parameters of the software?
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: FermiDirac on May 12, 2014, 01:33:38 PM
Lower protein, increase carbs and fats = profit? ???
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: bigmc on May 12, 2014, 01:37:14 PM
Are you getting all that from conventional lean protein or just eating what feels right but falls within the macro parameters of the software?

i made a bowl of porridge with four scoops of whey in it

which i split into two meals

for lunch i had 4 whole eggs and a packet of sliced chicken

my other meal was four turkey steaks whic i eat over the course of a couple of hours
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Icelord on May 12, 2014, 01:45:54 PM
Porridge is good. Can put anything in that, feel filled.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: the trainer on May 12, 2014, 01:48:02 PM
my macros today

made me feel like shit

i normally have 150 to 200g of protein ala adonis principles of peace

today was

358g of protein

132g of carbs

56g of fat

burping and farting like a bull frog

There is no need for such high protein seriously why do people who want to lose weight think they need some crazy ridiculous diet to do it.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: bigmc on May 12, 2014, 01:48:44 PM
Porridge is good. Can put anything in that, feel filled.

yeah good source of carbs

in the past i alw\ys went the high protein route

with adonis diet you just get your protein then take the cals how they land

i dont have a sweet tooth

i love pizzas and burgers though

they are my everest
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: FermiDirac on May 12, 2014, 01:51:58 PM
There is no need for such high protein seriously why do people who want to lose weight think they need some crazy ridiculous diet to do it.

Because, in general, most people are lazy and fear cardio more than they fear STD's.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: dyslexic on May 12, 2014, 02:01:10 PM
I used to work at a convalescent home, long before my nutritionist/PT days.

The registered Dietitians were always checking Kidney function. Protein intake was always an issue. I'm thankful that I got to learn at a young age.

I built a respectable physique (and most of you have seen pics of me, so we don't need the comments) on very small amounts of protein.

Study the "controlled" studies, and read the Journals of the AMA and such... here are a few excerpts:

"...as many as 20 million Americans are at risk for reduced kidney function but don't know it. Therefore, people on high-protein diets may be unknowingly damaging their kidneys."

"Knight's findings on high-protein diets are published in the March 18 edition of Annals of Internal Medicine. It's the latest chapter in the ongoing Nurses Health Study..." (controlled study, that is the point here)


 "They were tracked for 11 years, and researchers found that those with mild kidney problems who ate a high-protein diet especially protein from meat -- had a faster loss in function."

Please don't take this to mean that eliminating meat from your diet will cure the problem, although eating meat has been shown time and time again to increase the probability.

Here is a statement in regards to the Atkins Diet: "We saw a significantly measurable association in those consuming about 1.3 grams of animal protein for each kilo of body weight," Knight tells WebMD. "That level is not as high as the protein you get from animal sources in the Atkins diet. So clearly a person who is undertaking a high-protein diet such as Atkins should have a kidney function test and carefully be monitored while following this diet."


Thanks to the rags, which are nearly 70% ads for protein supplements, bodybuilders and ESPECIALLY aspiring bodybuilders, believe that the more protein they consume, the bigger they will get.

Well then, why are our bodies so good at excreting Nitrogen?

Excess protein is taxing on the Kidneys. There is no question about it. Yes, if you have "healthy" Kidneys, you can get away with a lot... at first. But here's the rub: Your Kidneys are NOT just dealing with protein consumption, so logically, by the time you are nearing middle-age, your Kidneys are NOT functioning the way they used to because of all the other filtering they have to do. For a bodybuilder, this could be solely from your excess food, supplement and pharmaceutical intake. Make sense?


Your Kidneys will always work to eliminate waste and toxic substances. Once they start malfunctioning, they DO NOT HEAL! This is important to remember. The Liver can heal if "situations" are caught soon enough, but the Kidneys? No.


Try a lower protein intake just for your own empirical data. Just for shits n giggles, whatever. Everyone is so afraid they will "lose size" ~ how would you know unless you try?


I know what's coming next, so I'll let those comments fly. Peace.

 
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Simple Simon on May 12, 2014, 02:02:38 PM
Because, in general, most people are lazy and fear cardio more than they fear STD's.
Cardio is a waste of time (literally) for weight loss, its much easier just to eat less.
an hour on a stationary bike you will be lucky to burn 600 cals.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Icelord on May 12, 2014, 02:03:20 PM
Cardio is a waste of time (literally) for weight loss, its much easier just to eat less.
an hour on a stationary bike you will be lucky to burn 600 cals.
Not to mention unless you have a good base, you may burn off muscle as well in the process
slowing resting metabolism down slightly

the leanest people at my gym do zero cardio
they just lift heavy and often
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Lustral on May 12, 2014, 02:05:56 PM
Porridge is good. Can put anything in that, feel filled.

For a good while I took honey with porridge and a whey shake for breakfast. Started doing morning walks on beach and would frequently go hypo while walking. I'm talking exogenous insulin use hypo, dizziness, hunger, dry mouth, sweating, limbs feeling wobbly.

Good old scrambled eggs it is now.

I used to do DC training and diet. Protein levels were absurd. Not sure I had any side effects from 400-500g protein per day but it was a scam for buying whey (I sold it so it didn't matter) and I was soft as fuck.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: bigmc on May 12, 2014, 02:06:04 PM
to dyslexic - whats your protein intake

this was an unsual day for me

i normally get between 150 and 200

i weight about 240lbs now

its all from lean sources like tuna and chicken and fish

i have red meat about once a fortnight
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: FermiDirac on May 12, 2014, 02:06:13 PM
Cardio is a waste of time (literally) for weight loss, its much easier just to eat less.
an hour on a stationary bike you will be lucky to burn 600 cals.

I agree to a certain extent, although, cardio does confer other health benefits other than mediocre kcal burning.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Simple Simon on May 12, 2014, 02:07:36 PM
Not to mention unless you have a good base, you may burn off muscle as well in the process
slowing resting metabolism down slightly

the leanest people at my gym do zero cardio
they just lift heavy and often
One numbnuts over on UK muscle said that running at moderate pace for an hour burns 800 cals.
Seriously, how many bodybuilders can run non-stop for an hour?
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Icelord on May 12, 2014, 02:08:10 PM
I agree to a certain extent, although, cardio does confer other health benefits other than mediocre kcal burning.
Here's what I don't get. Everyone on the street where I live does zero exercise. They've only seen a gym from the outside. I know because I'm familiar with most of them and never see them in exercise clothing either. Add to that - none of them diet. They eat frozen pizzas, pasta, bread, cheese, anything. And yet quite a few are in their 70s and 80s, and most are 45-60 (it's a quiet residential area for pensioners) and never seem to have health problems.

Makes me question the whole idea that you need to eat clean and exercise to live long.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Simple Simon on May 12, 2014, 02:09:02 PM
I agree to a certain extent, although, cardio does confer other health benefits other than mediocre kcal burning.
I agree, Im not dissing cardio for health benefits, its just the fat burning side of it that doesnt stack up.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: bigmc on May 12, 2014, 02:09:23 PM
Here's what I don't get. Everyone on the street where I live does zero exercise. They've only seen a gym from the outside. I know because I'm familiar with most of them and never see them in exercise clothing either. Add to that - none of them diet. They eat frozen pizzas, pasta, bread, cheese, anything. And yet quite a few are in their 70s and 80s, and most are 45-60 (it's a quiet residential area for pensioners) and never seem to have health problems.

Makes me question the whole idea that you need to eat clean and exercise to live long.


everything and i mean everything is genetics

you can cheat your genes a couple of years either way

but you cant beat them

when we can do that we will become gods
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: bradistani on May 12, 2014, 02:10:21 PM
my macros today

made me feel like shit

i normally have 150 to 200g of protein ala adonis principles of peace

today was

358g of protein

132g of carbs

56g of fat

burping and farting like a bull frog

you know summats not right when the smell of your own boffs turn your fucking stomach  :-X
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: FermiDirac on May 12, 2014, 02:10:27 PM
One numbnuts over on UK muscle said that running at moderate pace for an hour burns 800 cals.
Seriously, how many bodybuilders can run non-stop for an hour?

 :D

Most would probably crumble up and die on the threadmill. Watched some Centopani vid, he seriously got winded/out of breath from eating and talking. Poor slobs, hearts probably enlarged to the point that the average blood flow per heart pump is equivalent to that of a hibernating hedgehog.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Icelord on May 12, 2014, 02:11:43 PM
:D

Most would probably crumble up and die on the threadmill. Watched some Centopani vid, he seriously got winded/out of breath from eating and talking. Poor slobs, hearts probably enlarged to the point that the average blood flow per heart pump is equivalent to that of a hibernating hedgehog.
Nasser died of an enlarged heart and failing kidneys. He looked relatively healthy for 48, though.

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTObsuflinbUbDgE3PY4az_WfeuGtwhqe2YZ2O9OTtTxQoxqJfu)
(http://hugenasser.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Nasser-Midway.jpg)
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Simple Simon on May 12, 2014, 02:13:18 PM
Here's what I don't get. Everyone on the street where I live does zero exercise. They've only seen a gym from the outside. I know because I'm familiar with most of them and never see them in exercise clothing either. Add to that - none of them diet. They eat frozen pizzas, pasta, bread, cheese, anything. And yet quite a few are in their 70s and 80s, and most are 45-60 (it's a quiet residential area for pensioners) and never seem to have health problems.

Makes me question the whole idea that you need to eat clean and exercise to live long.
My Grandad died at 87.
He ate whatever he liked and his breakfasts were epic, he would start with a bowl of cornflakes, then he had toast and marmalade or jam, an orange cut into segments and then cake and biscuits that were left over from the day before.
He smoked cigarettes and a pipe, went out for a drink at the club every night until his early eighties and when he couldnt get about (asthma) he always had a few whiskies every night.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Icelord on May 12, 2014, 02:14:11 PM
My Grandad died at 87.
He ate whatever he liked and his breakfasts were epic, he would start with a bowl of cornflakes, then he had toast and marmalade or jam, an orange cut into segments and then cake and biscuits that were left over from the day before.
He smoked cigarettes and a pipe, went out for a drink at the club every night until his early eighties and when he couldnt get about (asthma) he always had a few whiskies every night.
I can't do all that and get away with it. Already I've had chest pain and my triglycerides are high, and I'm not even 30.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: the trainer on May 12, 2014, 02:15:01 PM
Cardio is a waste of time (literally) for weight loss, its much easier just to eat less.
an hour on a stationary bike you will be lucky to burn 600 cals.

I disagree sprint cardio is great for burning fat just dont do them on leg day.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: FermiDirac on May 12, 2014, 02:17:16 PM
Nasser died of an enlarged heart and failing kidneys. He looked relatively healthy for 48, though.

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTObsuflinbUbDgE3PY4az_WfeuGtwhqe2YZ2O9OTtTxQoxqJfu)
(http://hugenasser.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Nasser-Midway.jpg)

PIP, that man was a national treasure.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Hulkotron on May 12, 2014, 02:18:49 PM
Cardio is a waste of time (literally) for weight loss, its much easier just to eat less.
an hour on a stationary bike you will be lucky to burn 600 cals.

This is mostly my experience as well.

I think light/moderate cardio can be beneficial for burning a few more calories/day (maybe 300 or so tops).  

Heavy cardio will just give you a heavy appetite and you'll likely eat it all back or overeat.

For example in the summer I run up to 50 miles a week but don't gain any weight because it makes me super-hungry.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Mawse on May 12, 2014, 02:29:18 PM
Moderate cardio for 30 mins, 10 degrees and 4 mph on the incline treadmill, helps my recovery and general health (bloodwork looks better when I do it vs not doing it)

for weight control it's pointless beyond reminding you just how much work it takes to burn a small number of calories
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Icelord on May 12, 2014, 02:30:49 PM
Every gym has fat women that spend an hour on the stairclimber, go home
eat their Jenny Craig frozen dinner
then wake up 2 hours later and eat a pint of Haagen Daz.

doing endless cardio doesn't work except for one thing: appetite.
but lifting weights is hard too, so they don't do it
in the mistaken belief they'll turn into Evan or Rami
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: FermiDirac on May 12, 2014, 02:34:50 PM
Every gym has fat women that spend an hour on the stairclimber, go home
eat their Jenny Craig frozen dinner
then wake up 2 hours later and eat a pint of Haagen Daz.

doing endless cardio doesn't work except for one thing: appetite.

Yes, but no amount of cardio can correct the mindset of a fat pig dumpster slob who live their lives as human waste bins.  :-\
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Icelord on May 12, 2014, 02:35:58 PM
Yes, but no amount of cardio can correct the mindset of a fat pig dumpster slob who live their lives as human waste bins.  :-\

You feel the need to interject and make a suggestion because they're clearly trying hard. But they won't listen because "their trainer" "takes good care of them" and "is an expert".
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: FermiDirac on May 12, 2014, 02:39:19 PM
You feel the need to interject and make a suggestion because they're clearly trying hard. But they won't listen because "their trainer" "takes good care of them" and "is an expert".

:D

Standard procedure, tries to say something, but you'll get shushed with the "my trainer said I can treat myself every now and then".
I think most of them missed the "every now and then" part.

But I can't blame the trainers either, they do what they gotta do to keep the clientèle. Better to keep the slobs around than train them to become independent of the said "experts".
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: JasonH on May 12, 2014, 02:40:47 PM
my macros today

made me feel like shit

i normally have 150 to 200g of protein ala adonis principles of peace

today was

358g of protein

132g of carbs

56g of fat

burping and farting like a bull frog

I think you've just had an unusual day for diet and your body's not used to it. 358 grams of protein at 240lbs is just a tad under 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight.

I ate 340 grams of protein today and that's every day for me (been very consistent with my diet recently) and I weigh 225, so a very similar ratio (1.5g per pound). Carb and fat intake is similar. I don't have any digestion problems but then again I'm used to it, just one of those things. The body adapts very well.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: no one on May 12, 2014, 02:44:51 PM


imo protein intakes have been made to sound more important than they really are.

if your using a shit ton of anabolics and gh maybe you'll need more than the average trainer.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Hulkotron on May 12, 2014, 02:51:31 PM
:D

Standard procedure, tries to say something, but you'll get shushed with the "my trainer said I can treat myself every now and then".
I think most of them missed the "every now and then" part.

But I can't blame the trainers either, they do what they gotta do to keep the clientèle. Better to keep the slobs around than train them to become independent of the said "experts".

Yes :D "treat myself every now and then" = "reward myself for performing the arduous task of physical motion by re-eating all the calories and then some"
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Icelord on May 12, 2014, 02:57:17 PM
The average person who exercises treats themselves like a 340lbs BBer would 2-3 meals a week off-season.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: FermiDirac on May 12, 2014, 02:59:25 PM
The average person who exercises treats themselves like a 340lbs BBer would 2-3 meals a week off-season.

The average person at the gym also has the body density of a marshmallow.  :-X
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Conker on May 12, 2014, 03:14:28 PM
Cardio is a waste of time (literally) for weight loss, its much easier just to eat less.
an hour on a stationary bike you will be lucky to burn 600 cals.

that's not to be sniffed at, do that once a day and that's 4200 cals a week, possibly 2 full days food intake for someone dieting.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: TEMPER on May 12, 2014, 03:39:54 PM
I agree, Im not dissing cardio for health benefits, its just the fat burning side of it that doesnt stack up.


Going from an old fatfuck like you to a slightly less fat old fuck, is easy...Eat less cake.

Going from 10% bf to 5% is a whole different game. One you have definitely never played in.

So pipe down. DO you even lift?
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Hulkotron on May 12, 2014, 03:46:46 PM
Temper establishing his position around here lol
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Costanza on May 12, 2014, 03:51:47 PM
I used to work at a convalescent home, long before my nutritionist/PT days.

The registered Dietitians were always checking Kidney function. Protein intake was always an issue. I'm thankful that I got to learn at a young age.

I built a respectable physique (and most of you have seen pics of me, so we don't need the comments) on very small amounts of protein.

Study the "controlled" studies, and read the Journals of the AMA and such... here are a few excerpts:

"...as many as 20 million Americans are at risk for reduced kidney function but don't know it. Therefore, people on high-protein diets may be unknowingly damaging their kidneys."

"Knight's findings on high-protein diets are published in the March 18 edition of Annals of Internal Medicine. It's the latest chapter in the ongoing Nurses Health Study..." (controlled study, that is the point here)


 "They were tracked for 11 years, and researchers found that those with mild kidney problems who ate a high-protein diet especially protein from meat -- had a faster loss in function."

Please don't take this to mean that eliminating meat from your diet will cure the problem, although eating meat has been shown time and time again to increase the probability.

Here is a statement in regards to the Atkins Diet: "We saw a significantly measurable association in those consuming about 1.3 grams of animal protein for each kilo of body weight," Knight tells WebMD. "That level is not as high as the protein you get from animal sources in the Atkins diet. So clearly a person who is undertaking a high-protein diet such as Atkins should have a kidney function test and carefully be monitored while following this diet."


Thanks to the rags, which are nearly 70% ads for protein supplements, bodybuilders and ESPECIALLY aspiring bodybuilders, believe that the more protein they consume, the bigger they will get.

Well then, why are our bodies so good at excreting Nitrogen?

Excess protein is taxing on the Kidneys. There is no question about it. Yes, if you have "healthy" Kidneys, you can get away with a lot... at first. But here's the rub: Your Kidneys are NOT just dealing with protein consumption, so logically, by the time you are nearing middle-age, your Kidneys are NOT functioning the way they used to because of all the other filtering they have to do. For a bodybuilder, this could be solely from your excess food, supplement and pharmaceutical intake. Make sense?


Your Kidneys will always work to eliminate waste and toxic substances. Once they start malfunctioning, they DO NOT HEAL! This is important to remember. The Liver can heal if "situations" are caught soon enough, but the Kidneys? No.


Try a lower protein intake just for your own empirical data. Just for shits n giggles, whatever. Everyone is so afraid they will "lose size" ~ how would you know unless you try?


I know what's coming next, so I'll let those comments fly. Peace.

 

Absolutely spot on.

I consumed a high protein diet for the best part of a decade, the whole '2 grams per lb of body weight' thing. Had 3 blood test done over a period of 5 years and each time I had progressively more protein in my urine. My kidney's couldn't process all the excess protein and as a result started to reduce in function. I felt fine and I wouldn't have known I was heading for possible future dialysis if I didn't change my diet.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Lustral on May 12, 2014, 03:59:31 PM
Biggest mistake most lifters make is believing doctors don't know shit, broscience and "empirical evidence" trump double blind studies.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: MichaelScottDM on May 12, 2014, 04:08:54 PM
My physique looks much better when I carb cycle but stick to a high protein diet year round. There is no way I could substitute my proteins for carbs. I'd look like a fat fuck. I've done this before and it isn't a good look. Sure, you have the calorie is a calorie debate, but my physique turns to garbage when I up the carbs(healthy ones) and decrease lean proteins.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Icelord on May 12, 2014, 04:15:59 PM
My physique looks much better when I carb cycle but stick to a high protein diet year round. There is no way I could substitute my proteins for carbs. I'd look like a fat fuck. I've done this before and it isn't a good look. Sure, you have the calorie is a calorie debate, but my physique turns to garbage when I up the carbs(healthy ones) and decrease lean proteins.
Depends what look you're going for. To gain the most muscle you can naturally, you're better off scaling the carbs upward and ignoring the GI index or other variables like sugar, fat, etc. I would only go low carb if you want to be lean year-round. But then you go flat and your workouts suck.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: The True Adonis on May 12, 2014, 05:03:34 PM
to dyslexic - whats your protein intake

this was an unsual day for me

i normally get between 150 and 200

i weight about 240lbs now

its all from lean sources like tuna and chicken and fish

i have red meat about once a fortnight
You could lower your protein intake to 80-120 if you wanted to.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Lustral on May 12, 2014, 05:21:59 PM
You could lower your protein intake to 80-120 if you wanted to.

I wouldn't know what to eat at those levels. I cut my meat intake to 300g/meal for three of my five meals and that feels like deprivation. I don't care for carbs unless it's from wine. It's just something to have with meat.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Simple Simon on May 13, 2014, 01:13:01 AM

Going from an old fatfuck like you to a slightly less fat old fuck, is easy...Eat less cake.

Going from 10% bf to 5% is a whole different game. One you have definitely never played in.

So pipe down. DO you even lift?

 ;D
Have you seen my pictures?
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Simple Simon on May 13, 2014, 01:15:26 AM
that's not to be sniffed at, do that once a day and that's 4200 cals a week, possibly 2 full days food intake for someone dieting.
Horses for courses, Im not mentally cut out for sitting on an excercise bike for an hour a day, I would go mad.
I prefer to eat less.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: falco on May 13, 2014, 01:30:47 AM
If my protein is high like 300gr my urine starts smelling funny.
Protein increases i diet must be gradual otherwise flatulence will happen because your body don't absorb it.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Super Natural on May 13, 2014, 03:21:09 AM
I think you've just had an unusual day for diet and your body's not used to it. 358 grams of protein at 240lbs is just a tad under 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight.

I ate 340 grams of protein today and that's every day for me (been very consistent with my diet recently) and I weigh 225, so a very similar ratio (1.5g per pound). Carb and fat intake is similar. I don't have any digestion problems but then again I'm used to it, just one of those things. The body adapts very well.


I think it may have to do with bulding up the nessisary Digestive enzymes for protein digestion (Protease for protien in this instance) Same as if you have been on a low carb diet or keto for extended peroids and then ingest a lot of carbs. Most bb's are farting like a race horses on their high carb days or when carbing up, farting Back stage at a contest ETC due to having low levels of of carbhyrases enzyme.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: BigRo on May 13, 2014, 03:28:26 AM
Cardio will boost metabolism throughout day and night. Tell Ronnie and Dorian cardio is useless for burning fat.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Simple Simon on May 13, 2014, 03:47:47 AM
Cardio will boost metabolism throughout day and night. Tell Ronnie and Dorian cardio is useless for burning fat.
I think you will find Dorian didnt do much cardio normally, he only added it in if he felt he needed it.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: BigRo on May 13, 2014, 03:49:19 AM
45mins twice a day stationary bike or walking his dog from 12 weeks out to 2-3 weeks out this is what I heard.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Simple Simon on May 13, 2014, 03:51:49 AM
45mins twice a day stationary bike or walking his dog from 12 weeks out to 2-3 weeks out this is what I heard.
I read and have seen videos where he talks about walking the dog but not the bike, maybe he did.

He did say he only did it if he was not losing as fast as he would like, he claimed it wasnt a given
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on May 13, 2014, 05:30:12 AM
Cardio will boost metabolism throughout day and night. Tell Ronnie and Dorian cardio is useless for burning fat.

X2 seems like every pro did some sort of cardio.  It's not strictly necessary for getting lean, true, but it helps, and it just promotes general health.

My blood pressure creeps up if I don't stay consistent with cardio
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: SuperTed on May 13, 2014, 06:06:23 AM
I do cardio mainly because I enjoy doing it. It helps with fat loss although I agree that I could get that same affect by just cutting calories further.
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 13, 2014, 06:21:25 AM
walking for 30 mins Outdoor is more fun goes by faster and will help you get lean....without  stress


WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHH   BeYeKe
Title: Re: really high protein intake - sides
Post by: Hulkotron on May 13, 2014, 06:29:22 AM
It's also infinitely healthier to eat (for example) 3000 calories a day and burn 1000 above your basal metabolism than it is to eat 2000 and burn nothing, for a variety of reasons.

Perhaps this is not optimal for bodybuilding though.