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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/19/texas-man-claims-was-told-to-remove-american-flag-over-threat-to-muslim/
A Texas man is standing defiant after he claims he was told he had to remove an American flag from his balcony because it was a “threat towards the Muslim community.”
Duy Tran told KHOU that the American flag means a lot to him, so he decided to hang one from his balcony after moving into a new apartment in Webster, Texas.
However, he said that soon after he hung the flag, he was told by his apartment complex manager he had to remove it.
"What really stunned me is that she said it’s a threat towards the Muslim community,” Tran told the station. “I’m not a threat toward nobody."
In a statement to KHOU, the manager for Tran’s apartment complex, the Lodge at El Dorado, said she appreciates residents’ patriotism but displays must conform to community guidelines.
“Such guidelines maintain the aesthetics of our apartment community and provide for the safety of all residents,” the statement said. “The apartment community already proudly displays our country's flag in a safe and appropriate manner at the entrances to our community.”
Tran told KHOU he has no plans to remove his flag. He said he has friends who died for our country, and he feels flying a flag is the least he can do.
"I’m gonna leave my flag there, as an American, until she shows me proof that I don’t have the right to leave my flag there," he said.
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wtffff
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This complete insanity just goes on and on and on ...
What else can be said? ???
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This complete insanity just goes on and on and on ...
What else can be said? ???
I am sure when he signed the lease, there was a statement regarding hanging stuff on the outside of your apartment: Such guidelines maintain the aesthetics of our apartment community and provide for the safety of all residents,” the statement said. “The apartment community already proudly displays our country's flag in a safe and appropriate manner at the entrances to our community.”
I am assuming the apartment community is owned by someone. Which means they have free choice to govern how they want their apartments to look. If the apartment complex and the person who owned it deemed that they did not want flags hanging out of peoples window, or wherever it was, then so be it. Remember, he lives in America, which means he had FREE CHOICE not to live there and go somewhere else. Its funny how all these people talk about "free choice" yet they forgot the apartment complex has freedom of choice to dictate how they want their apartments to look on the outside. He had freedom of choice to read the whole lease agreement and decide whether or not he wanted to live there. He must have exercised his free choice not to read the whole lease agreement, now he is all mad. Too bad.
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I think he clearly said he would remove if shown that he doesn't have the right. SF - I cannot just decide that I don't like the way a tenant decorates and make them change. Doesn't matter if it's an apartment complex or house that I rent. I hire a management company for most properties and trust that they will screen well but if not explicitly prohibited in the lease agreement I cannot just decide that because I own it I can do what I want.
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This complete insanity just goes on and on and on ...
What else can be said? ???
Religion of peace?
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I think he clearly said he would remove if shown that he doesn't have the right. SF - I cannot just decide that I don't like the way a tenant decorates and make them change. Doesn't matter if it's an apartment complex or house that I rent. I hire a management company for most properties and trust that they will screen well but if not explicitly prohibited in the lease agreement I cannot just decide that because I own it I can do what I want.
But why didn't he read the lease agreement beforehand? This could have all been avoided. Its a pretty smart idea to read your lease agreement. If specific guidelines were stated in the lease agreement about decor on the outside of your apartment, he should have known (because it sounds like it was explicitly prohibited). Now he is making a big deal of it before he knows better. Would have been smarter to find out the guidelines before calling the news stations.
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If the flag of the country in which you reside is a "threat" to those of a foreign/alternate religion who also reside in said country, than something is terribly wrong. To demand that someone remove the flag for this reason is, as I say, pure insanity.
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If the flag of the country in which you reside is a "threat" to those of a foreign/alternate religion who also reside in said country, than something is terribly wrong. To demand that someone remove the flag for this reason is, as I say, pure insanity.
Youre talking about two separate issues. The fact that its a crazy policy, nonetheless makes it a policy of the apartment complex. I am not saying I agree with these guidelines. But those are the guidelines, whether he likes them or not. If he didn't like it, he should have moved somewhere else.
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Religion of peaceinsecurity?
fixed
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/19/texas-man-claims-was-told-to-remove-american-flag-over-threat-to-muslim/
A Texas man is standing defiant after he claims he was told he had to remove an American flag from his balcony because it was a “threat towards the Muslim community.”
Duy Tran told KHOU that the American flag means a lot to him, so he decided to hang one from his balcony after moving into a new apartment in Webster, Texas.
However, he said that soon after he hung the flag, he was told by his apartment complex manager he had to remove it.
"What really stunned me is that she said it’s a threat towards the Muslim community,” Tran told the station. “I’m not a threat toward nobody."
In a statement to KHOU, the manager for Tran’s apartment complex, the Lodge at El Dorado, said she appreciates residents’ patriotism but displays must conform to community guidelines.
“Such guidelines maintain the aesthetics of our apartment community and provide for the safety of all residents,” the statement said. “The apartment community already proudly displays our country's flag in a safe and appropriate manner at the entrances to our community.”
Tran told KHOU he has no plans to remover ge his flag. He said he has friends who died for our country, and he feels flying a flag is the least he can do.
"I’m gonna leave my flag there, as an American, until she shows me proof that I don’t have the right to leave my flag there," he said.
Haha, that would be a big giant fuck you to the landlord.
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I am having an awfully hard time picturing this in reverse. You know,... example; ''take that Saudi Arabian flag down'' Christians might get mad :D
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If the flag of the country in which you reside is a "threat" to those of a foreign/alternate religion who also reside in said country, than something is terribly wrong. To demand that someone remove the flag for this reason is, as I say, pure insanity.
this is Happening in the UK too.. showing pride in your Country is considered provocation and racism now...
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It should be removed. America does not belong to Americans anymore. Face reality you dumb schmucks, it aint your country anymore.
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Send them to Portugal. We will tell them how it works.
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It's madness, same thing happened to me in my apartment in north cyprus with the greek flag. After a four day standoff with the Turkish Army though I took it down
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as usual you guys are confusing the issues or not understanding them
there are two issues at hand here.
1. Does hanging the flag or any flag goes against the lease.
- We wouldn't tenants having the right to hang what ever they want in common areas.
- He can hang the flag inside of his apartment and no one would care.
2. Hanging the American flag.
- He can do whatever he wants on his own property, but this is not his property and so he has to adhere to the rules.
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Youre talking about two separate issues. The fact that its a crazy policy, nonetheless makes it a policy of the apartment complex. I am not saying I agree with these guidelines. But those are the guidelines, whether he likes them or not. If he didn't like it, he should have moved somewhere else.
Absolutely correct. But he has the right to make the apartment owner look like a douchenozzle in the media. Which he appears to be doing admirably. Sunshine frequently kills these germs.
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as usual you guys are confusing the issues or not understanding them
there are two issues at hand here.
1. Does hanging the flag or any flag goes against the lease.
- We wouldn't tenants having the right to hang what ever they want in common areas.
- He can hang the flag inside of his apartment and no one would care.
2. Hanging the American flag.
- He can do whatever he wants on his own property, but this is not his property and so he has to adhere to the rules.
The pretext for the removal of the flag is that it is a threat to muslims, not that it violates the rule of the apartment complex. Do you agree that the flag is a threat to muslims?
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Haha, that would be a big giant fuck you to the landlord.
;D
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Youre talking about two separate issues. The fact that its a crazy policy, nonetheless makes it a policy of the apartment complex. I am not saying I agree with these guidelines. But those are the guidelines, whether he likes them or not. If he didn't like it, he should have moved somewhere else.
I agree. The apartment complex should have the right to tell the man to take down the flag. However, the justification used for the flags removal by the apartment complex management is highly dubious.
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Absolutely correct. But he has the right to make the apartment owner look like a douchenozzle in the media. Which he appears to be doing admirably. Sunshine frequently kills these germs.
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I am sure when he signed the lease, there was a statement regarding hanging stuff on the outside of your apartment: Such guidelines maintain the aesthetics of our apartment community and provide for the safety of all residents,” the statement said. “The apartment community already proudly displays our country's flag in a safe and appropriate manner at the entrances to our community.”
I am assuming the apartment community is owned by someone. Which means they have free choice to govern how they want their apartments to look. If the apartment complex and the person who owned it deemed that they did not want flags hanging out of peoples window, or wherever it was, then so be it. Remember, he lives in America, which means he had FREE CHOICE not to live there and go somewhere else. Its funny how all these people talk about "free choice" yet they forgot the apartment complex has freedom of choice to dictate how they want their apartments to look on the outside. He had freedom of choice to read the whole lease agreement and decide whether or not he wanted to live there. He must have exercised his free choice not to read the whole lease agreement, now he is all mad. Too bad.
When did you turn into a troll?
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Once you sign a contract with the property owner that's about it. If you don't like their rules you can leave.
Even in neighborhoods with traditional "homeowners" (which very few actually are because the bank holds the note LOL) when you close on the house most typically sign an agreement with the homeowner's association and they dictate what is acceptable and what is not. You may want a flag on "your house" and the HOA says "only on July 4th".
How do you get around this?
You sport these bad boys around the property:
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When did you turn into a troll?
Too much docking with Roger Bacon has made them similar. :-X
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this is Happening in the UK too.. showing pride in your Country is considered provocation and racism now...
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I think the clear answer is to off all muslims.
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Galaptaprel P. Muumenschaantz.
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Too much docking with Roger Bacon has made them similar. :-X
Nice docker none the less
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Nice docker none the less
:D
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San Antonio is ok.
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Too much docking with Roger Bacon has made them similar. :-X
Roger can dock with the best of them. :P :P :D :D
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The pretext for the removal of the flag is that it is a threat to muslims, not that it violates the rule of the apartment complex.
No, wrong. The person with the flag claims that the pretext for the removal request is that his flag display is a threat to Muslims and must be removed. Color me unconvinced.
The fact is that most apartment complexes spell out exactly what people can put in balconies and windows and control the size of any displays - even flags. I would imagine that this apartment complex is no different. In which case, I have to wonder why would they bother providing any reason other than "it violates section 7.9.2, on page 12 of your lease" especially a reason as "stupid" as what they, supposedly, provided.
So yeah, I'm inclined to believe that the guy complaining is making shit up.
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The pretext for the removal of the flag is that it is a threat to muslims, not that it violates the rule of the apartment complex. Do you agree that the flag is a threat to muslims?
What avxo said :)
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No, wrong. The person with the flag claims that the pretext for the removal request is that his flag display is a threat to Muslims and must be removed. Color me unconvinced.
The fact is that most apartment complexes spell out exactly what people can put in balconies and windows and control the size of any displays - even flags. I would imagine that this apartment complex is no different. In which case, I have to wonder why would they bother providing any reason other than "it violates section 7.9.2, on page 12 of your lease" especially a reason as "stupid" as what they, supposedly, provided.
So yeah, I'm inclined to believe that the guy complaining is making shit up.
he didn't make it up, that was the reason.
So Archer is right. i own a business, i can employ whoever I want and I can fire whoever I want but if I fire someone because they are black, then there is a problem. Reasoning counts for a lot nowadays, you just can't say I own the building, too bad.
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he didn't make it up, that was the reason.
So Archer is right. i own a business, i can employ whoever I want and I can fire whoever I want but if I fire someone because they are black, then there is a problem. Reasoning counts for a lot nowadays, you just can't say I own the building, too bad.
Where did you read this?
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he didn't make it up, that was the reason.
So Archer is right. i own a business, i can employ whoever I want and I can fire whoever I want but if I fire someone because they are black, then there is a problem. Reasoning counts for a lot nowadays, you just can't say I own the building, too bad.
OTH, but if its private property, then they have every right to dictate what can be go on a balcony. If the guidelines stated, "No flags shall be hung from balconies due to others feelings" then those are the rules he has to abide by. Does not make it right, but those are the rules and he signed the lease. Or would is still be considered illegal? Where are the getbig lawyers? :)
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OTH, but if its private property, then they have every right to dictate what can be go on a balcony. If the guidelines stated, "No flags shall be hung from balconies due to others feelings" then those are the rules he has to abide by. Does not make it right, but those are the rules and he signed the lease. Or would is still be considered illegal? Where are the getbig lawyers? :)
yes I am aware and you are right in the case she stated '' take down the flag'' that's it, just say that and say building rule but the second she gives a reason she is out of line.
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he didn't make it up, that was the reason.
One word: BULLSHIT. You're talking out of your ass.
The community's manager published a statement (quoted in the original post) which said that while “she appreciates residents’ patriotism but displays must conform to community guidelines [...] to maintain the aesthetics of our apartment community and provide for the safety of all residents.” She also added: “The apartment community already proudly displays our country's flag in a safe and appropriate manner at the entrances to our community.”
You are just choosing to believe one side of this story and to not believe the other side because... I don't know... why?
Think about this logically. Not only would it be extremely stupid for any employee of the community in question to explicitly state that the reason was what the resident claims, if that was, indeed, the reason. But it would extremely unlikely that would provide such a reason anyways, since the community guidelines (like the guidelines of most communities) strictly control such displays.
I own a house now, but I've lived in apartments before; I guess you have as well. We both know how it works. Every apartment complex I lived had rules that limited what people could have in the porches, balconies and similar areas, and certainly limited what people could hang on the outside of the railing; hell, some places where I lived even limited what could be placed in such a way as to be seen through the windows.
So Archer is right. i own a business, i can employ whoever I want and I can fire whoever I want but if I fire someone because they are black, then there is a problem. Reasoning counts for a lot nowadays, you just can't say I own the building, too bad.
It's true, for some things, you can't. But that's only for some things, where laws have (wisely or unwisely) been passed prohibiting discrimination based on certain factors. No such limitation or prohibitions exists about flags and a property owner can certainly have a "no flags hanging in your railing" policy.
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so what are we arguing here? I believe him, you don't? which is not the argument anyways, the argument is ''assuming its true'' is it wrong? and the answer is ''yes'' because of the reason behind it,...if it is not true (what he claimed she said) then who gives a flying fuck, it is a mute point.
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yes I am aware and you are right in the case she stated '' take down the flag'' that's it, just say that and say building rule but the second she gives a reason she is out of line.
I agree that it could get sketchy once she gives a reason.
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so what are we arguing here? I believe him, you don't?
The difference is in the why. I am articulating the reasoning that supports my position. You are just saying: "I believe X." Well, whoop-dee-doo. You can believe the moon is made of cheese too; that doesn't mean that your belief is reasonable.
which is not the argument anyways, the argument is ''assuming its true'' is it wrong? and the answer is ''yes'' because of the reason behind it,
You say "yes" too easily. My answer is perhaps it's wrong. Maybe the owner of the property doesn't really like flying the flag - it's his right. I'm a libertarian an I believe that a property owner should be able to say to a tenant: "I don't want you flying the flag" for any reason - even for no reason at all - provided that he did not agree to forego that right while the property is leased to someone else.
...if it is not true (what he claimed she said) then who gives a flying fuck, it is a mute point.
Clearly people give a flying fuck; if the resident lied, that lie isn't without consequences. A lot of people are upset over this, the apartment complex might lose business, etc. You will forgive me if I don't find that to be a moot point.
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The difference is in the why. I am articulating the reasoning that supports my position. You are just saying: "I believe X." Well, whoop-dee-doo. You can believe the moon is made of cheese too; that doesn't mean that your belief is reasonable.
You say "yes" too easily. My answer is perhaps it's wrong. Maybe the owner of the property doesn't really like flying the flag - it's his right. I'm a libertarian an I believe that a property owner should be able to say to a tenant: "I don't want you flying the flag" for any reason - even for no reason at all - provided that he did not agree to forego that right while the property is leased to someone else.
Clearly people give a flying fuck; if the resident lied, that lie isn't without consequences. A lot of people are upset over this, the apartment complex might lose business, etc. You will forgive me if I don't find that to be a moot point.
I was referring to us here at getbig Einstein, the only reason we gave a fuck about the discussion.
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I was referring to us here at getbig Einstein, the only reason we gave a fuck about the discussion.
Clearly we give a fuck - there's a lively debate on this both here and in the politics board.
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I would just buy an American Flag T-Shirt and stand on the balcony all day long. What would they do then?
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I would just buy an American Flag T-Shirt and stand on the balcony all day long. What would they do then?
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I have an American flag proudly hung up at my home, let's see someone try to take it down!! >:(
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I have an American flag proudly hung up at my home, let's see someone try to take it down!! >:(
You have a beautiful home Big Ach
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Too much docking with Roger Bacon has made them similar. :-X
No such thing as too much docking.
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One word: BULLSHIT. You're talking out of your ass.
The community's manager published a statement (quoted in the original post) which said that while “she appreciates residents’ patriotism but displays must conform to community guidelines [...] to maintain the aesthetics of our apartment community and provide for the safety of all residents.” She also added: “The apartment community already proudly displays our country's flag in a safe and appropriate manner at the entrances to our community.”
You are just choosing to believe one side of this story and to not believe the other side because... I don't know... why?
Think about this logically. Not only would it be extremely stupid for any employee of the community in question to explicitly state that the reason was what the resident claims, if that was, indeed, the reason. But it would extremely unlikely that would provide such a reason anyways, since the community guidelines (like the guidelines of most communities) strictly control such displays.
I own a house now, but I've lived in apartments before; I guess you have as well. We both know how it works. Every apartment complex I lived had rules that limited what people could have in the porches, balconies and similar areas, and certainly limited what people could hang on the outside of the railing; hell, some places where I lived even limited what could be placed in such a way as to be seen through the windows.
It's true, for some things, you can't. But that's only for some things, where laws have (wisely or unwisely) been passed prohibiting discrimination based on certain factors. No such limitation or prohibitions exists about flags and a property owner can certainly have a "no flags hanging in your railing" policy.
You're choosing to believe one side. You dismissed the flag owners claim as bullshit. What prompted the apartment complex to act? What does the portion of the statement "provide for the safety of all residents" even mean and how is it relevent to the removal of the flag. How is the flag a threat to the safety of residents? Sounds like someone felt the flag threatened their safety and who might that be? The complex management specifically mentions safety of all the residents as a reason for the flags removal. Is that a valid argument?
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You're choosing to believe one side. You dismissed the flag owners claim as bullshit. What prompted the apartment complex to act? What does the portion of the statement "provide for the safety of all residents" even mean and how is it relevent to the removal of the flag. How is the flag a threat to the safety of residents? Sounds like someone felt the flag threatened their safety and who might that be? The complex management specifically mentions safety of all the residents as a reason for the flags removal. Is that a valid argument?
I am choosing one side as more likely to provide accurate information here: the apartment complex. This is for a simple reason: they didn't have to provide a reason - merely say "this installation is in violation of your lease, please remove it." Why would they add anything more than that?
Is it possible they're lying? Sure. I don't foreclose on that possibility. But until evidence to that effect is shown, my position remains that the apartment complex had no reason to lie and a lot more to lose.
You interpret the "safety" bit of their statement as a suggestion that someone must have complained and that the resident's claims must be true. If you live in an apartment, check your lease. You will find that apartments typically limits residents' ability to put things in balconies, porches and windows for exactly the reasons their cited: aesthetics and safety.
In all likelihood, they cited the rule as states in the lease agreement.
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I am choosing one side as more likely to provide accurate information here: the apartment complex. This is for a simple reason: they didn't have to provide a reason - merely say "this installation is in violation of your lease, please remove it." Why would they add anything more than that?
Is it possible they're lying? Sure. I don't foreclose on that possibility. But until evidence to that effect is shown, my position remains that the apartment complex had no reason to lie and a lot more to lose.
You interpret the "safety" bit of their statement as a suggestion that someone must have complained and that the resident's claims must be true. If you live in an apartment, check your lease. You will find that apartments typically limits residents' ability to put things in balconies, porches and windows for exactly the reasons their cited: aesthetics and safety.
In all likelihood, they cited the rule as states in the lease agreement.
A flag is neither a safety concern nor an eyesore. Since real property isn't soverign and continues to be subject to US law, a private contract cannot impinge upon an individual's rights under law.
An owner can do as he pleases (provided he doesn't harm others) on his own property. If he decides to lease a portion of the property to others, in so doing he accepts that other parties arrive with rights which he cannot curtail with private contract.
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You're choosing to believe one side. You dismissed the flag owners claim as bullshit. What prompted the apartment complex to act? What does the portion of the statement "provide for the safety of all residents" even mean and how is it relevent to the removal of the flag. How is the flag a threat to the safety of residents? Sounds like someone felt the flag threatened their safety and who might that be? The complex management specifically mentions safety of all the residents as a reason for the flags removal. Is that a valid argument?
no point of discussing this with him since he does not believe the story anyway, you are right on all counts though.
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A flag is neither a safety concern nor an eyesore. Since real property isn't soverign and continues to be subject to US law, a private contract cannot impinge upon an individual's rights under law.
An owner can do as he pleases (provided he doesn't harm others) on his own property. If he decides to lease a portion of the property to others, in so doing he accepts that other parties arrive with rights which he cannot curtail with private contract.
exactly^^^
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I would just buy an American Flag T-Shirt and stand on the balcony all day long. What would they do then?
They'd probably make you take the shirt off in the complex because it offends muslims? ;D
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I agree that he should have read the lease, and that the complex has the right to make it's own rules within the law, and that he can choose to live elsewhere, etc.
But if the manager did in fact give him "it's a threat toward muslims" as the reason, she was very stupid to do so.
Also, who thinks that the manager and the complex wouldn't have said shit if he had been flying a similar sized flag of another nation in the same place? Especially if it was the flag of a muslim-run nation, black African nation, Mexico, etc?
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A flag is neither a safety concern nor an eyesore.
Perhaps not to you and me, but to someone else, it very well might be. But even if it's none of those things, a landlord can still decide that he does not want flags hung from balcony railings.
Since real property isn't soverign and continues to be subject to US law, a private contract cannot impinge upon an individual's rights under law.
Ooh, another guy that fancies himself a lawyer. First of all, there is no "right" to hang the flag from your balcony railing. Second of all, all sorts of restrictions to what a tenant can do can and are imposed all the time. Leases, for example, often mention that a tenant cannot have pets in the apartment.
An owner can do as he pleases (provided he doesn't harm others) on his own property. If he decides to lease a portion of the property to others, in so doing he accepts that other parties arrive with rights which he cannot curtail with private contract.
People can and often do waive many of their rights. For example, when you lease an apartment, the landlord typically loses the right to enter the premises at any time and without the permission of the owner. This is sensible because the landlord surrenders possession of the premises to the tenant for the term of the lease However, a lease will typically grant the landlord right of entry anyways.
You can argue that the tenant has a First Amendment right to fly the flag - I would agree with you. However, if his lease explicitly regulates what can and cannot be hung/displayed from balconies (and most leases do), then the tenant doesn't have a leg to stand on.
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The pretext for the removal of the flag is that it is a threat to muslims, not that it violates the rule of the apartment complex. Do you agree that the flag is a threat to muslims?
how can raising the American flag anywhere on American soil pose a threat?
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I agree that he should have read the lease, and that the complex has the right to make it's own rules within the law, and that he can choose to live elsewhere, etc.
But if the manager did in fact give him "it's a threat toward muslims" as the reason, she was very stupid to do so.
Also, who thinks that the manager and the complex wouldn't have said shit if he had been flying a similar sized flag of another nation in the same place? Especially if it was the flag of a muslim-run nation, black African nation, Mexico, etc?
can you please engrave this into avxo's head, he doesn't seem to get it.
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how can raising the American flag anywhere on American soil pose a threat?
I don't know and that's why I was asking.
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I don't know and that's why I was asking.
And aren't these people "American"? Say if it was an American who has decided to become Muslim or a person who practices Islam moved to this country and got their citizenship, wouldn't they now be an "American"? So, putting up an American Flag in America can now be considered a "threat" to Americans?
What next, driving an American car (particularly an old school muscle car) in America could now be considered a "threat" to Americans (who have decided to drive German or Japanese cars or are from those respective countries)?
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And aren't these people "American"? Say if it was an American who has decided to become Muslim or a person who practices Islam moved to this country and got their citizenship, wouldn't they now be an "American"? So, putting up an American Flag in America can now be considered a "threat" to Americans?
What next, driving an American car (particularly an old school muscle car) in America could now be considered a "threat" to Americans (who have decided to drive German or Japanese cars or are from those respective countries)?
I agree. Now if it were a confederate or nazi flag I could see an issue.
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can you please engrave this into avxo's head, he doesn't seem to get it.
Are you senile or just unable to read? I already stated that if the manager did, indeed, say that, she was stupid. It's in my second post in this very topic (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=539758.msg7570139#msg7570139):
Think about this logically. Not only would it be extremely stupid for any employee of the community in question to explicitly state that the reason was what the resident claims, if that was, indeed, the reason. But it would extremely unlikely that would provide such a reason anyways, since the community guidelines (like the guidelines of most communities) strictly control such displays.
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Political correctness is totally out of hand. It only gets worse and worse.
The US is fucking doomed.
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Are you senile or just unable to read? I already stated that if the manager did, indeed, say that, she was stupid. It's in my second post in this very topic (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=539758.msg7570139#msg7570139):
How does hanging an American flag threaten the safety of residents?
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How does hanging an American flag threaten the safety of residents?
I never claimed that it did, so asking me that question is – let's be generous here – misguided.
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Are you senile or just unable to read? I already stated that if the manager did, indeed, say that, she was stupid. It's in my second post in this very topic (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=539758.msg7570139#msg7570139):
Then what are you arguing about ding dong?
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Then what are you arguing about ding dong?
Feel free to actually read my posts and find out.
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I think AVXOs angle, is that the person that owns the property gets to set the rules, regardless of how her tenant feels, if he broke the rules, he broke the rules.
I know my apartment wont let us hang ANYTHING from our railings, period. They dont have to give a reason why they madd us take it down, its in the lease, nothing on the railings. Doesnt matter if I hung an american flag and claimed discrimination, because its flat out in the rules, nothing on the railings.
Which I cam understand. But if there wasnt something in the lease rules, and they made it up on the fly because of fear of butthurt muslims, then thats something else.
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I think AVXOs angle, is that the person that owns the property gets to set the rules, regardless of how her tenant feels, if he broke the rules, he broke the rules.
I know my apartment wont let us hang ANYTHING from our railings, period. They dont have to give a reason why they madd us take it down, its in the lease, nothing on the railings. Doesnt matter if I hung an american flag and claimed discrimination, because its flat out in the rules, nothing on the railings.
Which I cam understand. But if there wasnt something in the lease rules, and they made it up on the fly because of fear of butthurt muslims, then thats something else.
Ya but nobody is arguing that point, that is common sense.
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avxo is just a defender of all things "big brother".
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i am absolutely fucking sick to death of tip toeing through life to avoid offending Muslims. Plain and simple - FUCK THEM. They swarm to my country, overtake entire communities and spread their abusive filth without reprimand because authorities are frightened to offend them incase it causes uproar. If we stand up for ourselves then i guess its easier to simply punish us and appease the Muslim community.
Alot of people i know are apprehensive to travel on trains because they are overcrowded with the jihad scum, hell i get nervous from time to time waiting for one of them to come at me with a blade. Unfortunately the floodgates are open, our coalition government is the weakest it has been for decades and we are now powerless to stop the spread. Everybody can see where this has been going for a long time and yet we are helpless in stopping it. If you dont like our way of life then piss off back to the rat infested shithole you came from.
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avxo is just a defender of all things "big brother".
Yeah... I sure am. I'm Big Brother's #1 defender. ::)
We're overrun by fucking trolls lately.
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Lol wvy are people ganging up on avxo he just says how it is in many places and said that IF the landlord said that then he is stupid. Have she admitted to do that?
I know many places where you cant even hang up the north korean flag and thats is sickening
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If Muslims in theUSA are offended by the stars and stripes then they should fuck off to whatever Middle Eastern shithole they or their family originate from
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If Muslims in theUSA are offended by the stars and stripes then they should fuck off to whatever Middle Eastern shithole they or their family originate from
No government benefits in backwardistan
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one word: Obama!!
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I get the feeling that most Americans are Christian protestant Baptists or whatever. Like they were in the Waltons and Little house on the prairie.
Are there more Muslims than Catholics in USA? JFK was Catholic and Obama is Muslim but I believe all other presidents are non catholic Christians.
Does this make the stars and stripes a threat to Catholics too?
Does this make the stars and stripes offensive to your own fine black Muslim President?
??? ??? ???
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Ooh, another guy that fancies himself a lawyer.
Not at all. It doesn't make me a lawyer just because I made a better point.
If anything it was just an extension of your point that the tenent accepts the landlord's rights to impose certain restrictions. The landlord similarly accepts that the tenent has rights which can't be negated by contract. That's the balance. I'm going with flag on pole on balcony in clear view: ok. Flag secured to structure: not ok. Point being there's a balance to be struck between the parties, no?
It's not a case of anything the owner says goes so long as it's written up and signed, which seems to be your mistaken belief. There's probably a lawyerly term for contracts like that. Easily invalidated?
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If Muslims in theUSA are offended by the stars and stripes then they should fuck off to whatever Middle Eastern shithole they or their family originate from
100% agree. stick my Scots flag out.. thieving Rag Head Bastards better leave it >:(
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Lol wvy are people ganging up on avxo he just says how it is in many places and said that IF the landlord said that then he is stupid. Have she admitted to do that?
I know many places where you cant even hang up the north korean flag and thats is sickening
because it is common sense, I rent out to people as well and it is my rules, who does not know this. The thread is not that though, the thread was ''if'' the landlord said that to him she is a retard and public opinion should crucify her.
Now if you do not believe the dude then there is nothing to talk about. Avxo is the type of guy who will argue about anything and everything, he would even argue ''that doesn't go there''.... ''it goes here'' and would move the said object over by 1 quarter of a mm
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because it is common sense, I rent out to people as well and it is my rules, who does not know this. The thread is not that though, the thread was ''if'' the landlord said that to him she is a retard and public opinion should crucify her.
Now if you do not believe the dude then there is nothing to talk about. Avxo is the type of guy who will argue about anything and everything, he would even argue ''that doesn't go there''.... ''it goes here'' and would move the said object over by 1 quarter of a mm
Thats how I approached the issue. The fact that management has the right to tell the resident to remove the flag is not in dispute. My main contention is how the flag causes a safety issue. Also, the belief that the flag is considered threatening is not unprecedented. Recently in California, a high school principle banned wearing clothing with the American flag on it. The ban was upheld by the California court system.
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Thats how I approached the issue. The fact that management has the right to tell the resident to remove the flag is not in dispute. My main contention is how the flag causes a safety issue. Also, the belief that the flag is considered threatening is not unprecedented. Recently in California, a high school principle banned wearing clothing with the American flag on it. The ban was upheld by the California court system.
exactly^^
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Thats how I approached the issue. The fact that management has the right to tell the resident to remove the flag is not in dispute. My main contention is how the flag causes a safety issue. Also, the belief that the flag is considered threatening is not unprecedented. Recently in California, a high school principle banned wearing clothing with the American flag on it. The ban was upheld by the California court system.
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because it is common sense, I rent out to people as well and it is my rules, who does not know this. The thread is not that though, the thread was ''if'' the landlord said that to him she is a retard and public opinion should crucify her.
Now if you do not believe the dude then there is nothing to talk about. Avxo is the type of guy who will argue about anything and everything, he would even argue ''that doesn't go there''.... ''it goes here'' and would move the said object over by 1 quarter of a mm
aa ok i get it now.
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Thats how I approached the issue. The fact that management has the right to tell the resident to remove the flag is not in dispute. My main contention is how the flag causes a safety issue. Also, the belief that the flag is considered threatening is not unprecedented. Recently in California, a high school principle banned wearing clothing with the American flag on it. The ban was upheld by the California court system.
I am guess there is no reciting of the Pledge Of Allegiance, huh? The American flag represents "oppression" to other ethnicities...who move to America, is probably the argument.
It's been said many times before, nobody hates America today like Americans. No sense of nationalism, unless it's for international sporting events like the Olympics or World Cup. Other than that it's bad. Damn corporations have that hemmed up.