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I think there comes a point when anyone who seriously consider's competing as a body builder has to accept that they are most likely going to be cleaving potential decades off their lifespan, and you have to ask yourself whether you're willing to die for what you (hopefully) love doing.
I have family members that have used/abused gear hgh and insulin the best part of 30+ years without showing any signs of declining health aswell as close friends that have never even entered a gym and required quadruple bypass surgery in their early 40's.
Personally I've seen so much shit up till now when it comes to variences in genetics and predisposition to particular illness and health that I honestly dont care anymore, im just going to throw caution to the wind and enjoy spending the next decade or two pushing myself to the limit (in as safe a manner as possible) rather than spend an extra 3 or 4 regretting that I hadn't.
But what does everyone else think? I dont think you can truly be the best at something without that "willing to go to any length even if it kills me" mentality.
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I think there comes a point when anyone who seriously consider's competing as a body builder has to accept that they are most likely going to be cleaving potential decades off their lifespan, and you have to ask yourself whether you're willing to die for what you (hopefully) love doing.
I have family members that have used/abused gear hgh and insulin the best part of 30+ years without showing any signs of declining health aswell as close friends that have never even entered a gym and required quadruple bypass surgery in their early 40's.
Personally I've seen so much shit up till now when it comes to variences in genetics and predisposition to particular illness and health that I honestly dont care anymore, im just going to throw caution to the wind and enjoy spending the next decade or two pushing myself to the limit (in as safe a manner as possible) rather than spend an extra 3 or 4 regretting that I hadn't.
But what does everyone else think? I dont think you can truly be the best at something without that "willing to go to any length even if it kills me" mentality.
hahahahaah
What a tool.
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;D as van halen says
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Any human fears death.
Any human fears the ultimate transition into the unknown, what sort of question is that?
You can bodybuild safely, you can even use steroids safely. There is no need to "throw caution to the wind". You can get a fantastic physique without completely nuking your healthy with mega doses of AAS.
Moderation and patience is the key to everything in life.
Did the 70s bodybuilders drop dead? No, it is only the crop of 90s and 00s retards who are dropping like flies due to the massive abuse of heavy androgens. Simply because unbridled drug use has replaced work ethic and common sense.
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death fears Basile, if the other thread is to be believed
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Death fears ESFitness.
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Weedlejuice,
When you are in your third or forth decade and suffering the ill effects you may regret your earlier decision. On the flip side you may be the lucky one who has the genes and the disposition to never have any side effects and live a long and healthy life regardless of your drug use. Alternatively you may be the guy who has sudden cardiac death syndrome and passes away in the night at 35 and you will never know.
The choice is yours, but in general in life, there is no such thing as a free meal, everything has a cost. Bodybuilding drugs have a biological cost, no two ways about it. No matter what some pea-brain moron with his bro-science says. There is a cost, you have to choose to accept it, you may be the lucky one, or you may be the guy who draws the short straw.
Enjoy!
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;D hey he defeated THOR ,i'm sure he can beat death.
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hahahahaah
What a tool.
;D ;D
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Death fears ESFitness.
Bingo.
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i'm ready to go
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He was quite the Epicurian.
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That quote assumes knowledge of what death is, it assumes non-existence.
But has none of us can actually perceive death, we do not know it is analogous to non-existence.
All we know is it is a transitional state. In theory, from existence to non-existence. But that is not certain.
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Any human fears death.
Any human fears the ultimate transition into the unknown, what sort of question is that?
You can bodybuild safely, you can even use steroids safely. There is no need to "throw caution to the wind". You can get a fantastic physique without completely nuking your healthy with mega doses of AAS.
Moderation and patience is the key to everything in life.
Did the 70s bodybuilders drop dead? No, it is only the crop of 90s and 00s retards who are dropping like flies due to the massive abuse of heavy androgens. Simply because unbridled drug use has replaced work ethic and common sense.
This. No more replies necessary.
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I wonder if chuck norris fears death
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I fear getting old and falling apart more than I fear death.
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That quote assumes knowledge of what death is, it assumes non-existence.
But has none of us can actually perceive death, we do not know it is analogous to non-existence.
All we know is it is a transitional state. In theory, from existence to non-existence. But that is not certain.
::)
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I'm not afraid of death.
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WOM
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death is natural, hopefully it will be painless.
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Just bundle up my coffin 'cause it's cold way down there.
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This, so sad, i see some sorry states of old people around. i see one local woman literally bent over permanantly and an old fella who dribbles constantly, all his clothes are stained. Old age isn't for the weak.
I fear getting old and falling apart more than I fear death.
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The thought of how is scarier than the thought of death. We all know with certainty we will die, but there are so many ways I really don't want to go
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Weedlejuice,
When you are in your third or forth decade and suffering the ill effects you may regret your earlier decision. On the flip side you may be the lucky one who has the genes and the disposition to never have any side effects and live a long and healthy life regardless of your drug use. Alternatively you may be the guy who has sudden cardiac death syndrome and passes away in the night at 35 and you will never know.
The choice is yours, but in general in life, there is no such thing as a free meal, everything has a cost. Bodybuilding drugs have a biological cost, no two ways about it. No matter what some pea-brain moron with his bro-science says. There is a cost, you have to choose to accept it, you may be the lucky one, or you may be the guy who draws the short straw.
Enjoy!
Will do fella, I dont want to be the guy who abstains from any indulgence and winds up getting terminally ill in his mid 30's anyway.
Friend of mine recently got diagnosed with terminal cancer in his 20's.
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The thought of how is scarier than the thought of death. We all know with certainty we will die, but there are so many ways I really don't want to go
This.
I've lost 4 loved ones to violence in the last few years, 7 in my life. 1 last month and the local news won't let it settle for shit.
I live a life of paranoia. It is hell on my bp.
Yeah...I'm scared of death.
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This.
I've lost 4 loved ones to violence in the last few years, 7 in my life. 1 last month and the local news won't let it settle for shit.
I live a life of paranoia. It is hell on my bp.
Yeah...I'm scared of death.
You sound like a fucking jinx.
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I fear not being around for my kids... Biggest fear I've ever had. Didn't even know what fear really was till I had kids.
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I fear life
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I fear getting old and falling apart more than I fear death.
Same. Sometimes I'll be driving to shops or whatever and see some old person taking a baby step every 5-10 seconds with a pause in between with every movement seeming strained. I will be returning in car 20-30mins later and they will have moved maybe 100 metres. I give them props for not using mobility scooters but wtf is the point in just collecting your pension, living in fear, having no clue what's going on and being in pain all the time?
Take an ounce of white and go out in style.
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Same. Sometimes I'll be driving to shops or whatever and see some old person taking a baby step every 5-10 seconds with a pause in between with every movement seeming strained. I will be returning in car 20-30mins later and they will have moved maybe 100 metres. I give them props for not using mobility scooters but wtf is the point in just collecting your pension, living in fear, having no clue what's going on and being in pain all the time?
Take an ounce of white and go out in style.
I think a lot is in your lifestyle, people who work and are active seem to be better, longer than people who just punch a 9-5 and come home and sit.
My grandfathers on both sides were extremely hard workers, and extremely active, working from the time they got up until dinner time even after retirement, one is 85, the other is 99, and they both act/look like someone 20 years younger. Both fully functional, just a little slower and weaker. Except the 99 year old one, time is hitting him hard now, but 5 years ago he fell off his neighbors roof while helping him do a roof job.
You'll also see people in their 60s hunched over, can't function, looking like theyre 95 because they weren't active or just let themselves fall apart after retirement.
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I think a lot is in your lifestyle, people who work and are active seem to be better, longer than people who just punch a 9-5 and come home and sit.
My grandfathers on both sides were extremely hard workers, and extremely active, working from the time they got up until dinner time even after retirement, one is 85, the other is 99, and they both act/look like someone 20 years younger. Both fully functional, just a little slower and weaker. Except the 99 year old one, time is hitting him hard now, but 5 years ago he fell off his neighbors roof while helping him do a roof job.
You'll also see people in their 60s hunched over, can't function, looking like theyre 95 because they weren't active or just let themselves fall apart after retirement.
Exactly. Treat you body well while you're young and it won't deteriorate like those who don't exercise, eat like shit, drink, smoke, do drugs etc.
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I think a lot is in your lifestyle, people who work and are active seem to be better, longer than people who just punch a 9-5 and come home and sit.
My grandfathers on both sides were extremely hard workers, and extremely active, working from the time they got up until dinner time even after retirement, one is 85, the other is 99, and they both act/look like someone 20 years younger. Both fully functional, just a little slower and weaker. Except the 99 year old one, time is hitting him hard now, but 5 years ago he fell off his neighbors roof while helping him do a roof job.
You'll also see people in their 60s hunched over, can't function, looking like theyre 95 because they weren't active or just let themselves fall apart after retirement.
My family history isn't great for long life. Two grandparents dead from diabetes and cancer before I was born, another dead from cancer when I was 8 and other died at 86 which was a good run. Dad has had heart problems, but changed lifestyle a lot since.
I don't fear death, have nearly died twice, once by my own hand. Now I just wanna see my son grow up and not let my girlfriend down. Not a nice thought but it is inevitable for all of us so why worry?
That 99 year old sounds like Clint Eastwood in Grand Torino.
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death fears is creeped out by Basile, if the other thread is to be believed
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This.
I've lost 4 loved ones to violence in the last few years, 7 in my life. 1 last month and the local news won't let it settle for shit.
I live a life of paranoia. It is hell on my bp.
Yeah...I'm scared of death.
Are you hebrew by chance?
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fear of something you cannot change is a waste of time, do not think about it as you live your life in the moment each and every day.
Thinking of future is a mistake that trigger negative thoughts most of the time.
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I think there comes a point when anyone who seriously consider's competing as a body builder has to accept that they are most likely going to be cleaving potential decades off their lifespan, and you have to ask yourself whether you're willing to die for what you (hopefully) love doing.
I have family members that have used/abused gear hgh and insulin the best part of 30+ years without showing any signs of declining health aswell as close friends that have never even entered a gym and required quadruple bypass surgery in their early 40's.
Personally I've seen so much shit up till now when it comes to variences in genetics and predisposition to particular illness and health that I honestly dont care anymore, im just going to throw caution to the wind and enjoy spending the next decade or two pushing myself to the limit (in as safe a manner as possible) rather than spend an extra 3 or 4 regretting that I hadn't.
But what does everyone else think? I dont think you can truly be the best at something without that "willing to go to any length even if it kills me" mentality.
You sound like the guy that says, "My grandfather smoked cigarettes for 70 years and he's still around. What's the harm?" Are cigarettes a risk to health? Hell, yes.
Bodybuilding drugs are a risk to health and it's sad that users rationalize the potential for problems. Law suits are flying right now over minimal hormone replacement therapy doses that has been shown in studies to increase the odds of heart attacks and strokes. While no real studies exist on recreational bodybuilders using drugs to have cosmetic muscles one can say through empirical examination where there is smoke there is fire. How much heart disease, liver and kidney problems do you need as proof? I have been around this game for a long time and let me tell you eventually everyone gives up drug use because of a health issue. Sometimes they give up due to arrest issues or finances but the number one reason is that their health starts failing.
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fear of something you cannot change is a waste of time, do not think about it as you live your life in the moment each and every day.
Thinking of future is a mistake that trigger negative thoughts most of the time.
You have to be mindful of the future, choices living in the moment can totally destroy ones tomorrow. ...
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You have to be mindful of the future, choices living in the moment can totally destroy ones tomorrow. ...
can but nothing you can do about it as it is a future and you do not know for sure the impact of your choices on your future.
Not talking about extremes like taking drugs or some other damaging things that would destroy you regardless.
The point is to focus in the moment of your life and not stress about something you cannot influence much such as death.
Why thinking about death if you are not sick, still young and full of life?
That is a serious mental issue.
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;D
Blind Prisoner: You do not fear death. You think this makes you strong. It makes you weak.
Blind Prisoner: How can you move faster than possible, fight longer than possible without the most powerful impulse of the spirit: the fear of death.
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I fear getting old and falling apart more than I fear death.
This.
Don't fear death, I fear the possibility of suffering from uncontrollable pain for a long period of time.
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Fear dying, but not death itself. Suffering for years, anticipating the end would suck WAY more than just not waking up one day.
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Are you hebrew by chance?
I attend Temple Beth-el and am in the process of conversion, so at heart, yes.
If by hebrew, you meant black, no.
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You sound like a fucking jinx.
That may be the case.
I do live in South Texas though.
It's the wild west right now. This open border shit is complicating a lot of bad bad shit down here that was already complicated enough.
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My family history isn't great for long life. Two grandparents dead from diabetes and cancer before I was born, another dead from cancer when I was 8 and other died at 86 which was a good run. Dad has had heart problems, but changed lifestyle a lot since.
I don't fear death, have nearly died twice, once by my own hand. Now I just wanna see my son grow up and not let my girlfriend down. Not a nice thought but it is inevitable for all of us so why worry?
That 99 year old sounds like Clint Eastwood in Grand Torino.
One of my favorite movies. When Clint flicked his lighter and got shot, I cried.
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This, so sad, i see some sorry states of old people around. i see one local woman literally bent over permanantly and an old fella who dribbles constantly, all his clothes are stained. Old age isn't for the weak.
That
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I fear not being around for my kids... Biggest fear I've ever had. Didn't even know what fear really was till I had kids.
Same here..
Now that I have a son .. seeing him grow..
I want to live a long life..
Before I didn't give a shit... :-\
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I don't fear it because I cant remember life before life so after death won't be any different. Living in the moment and not getting caught up too far into the future or worrying over little things goes a long way to enjoying life anyway.
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I think there comes a point when anyone who seriously consider's competing as a body builder has to accept that they are most likely going to be cleaving potential decades off their lifespan, and you have to ask yourself whether you're willing to die for what you (hopefully) love doing.
I have family members that have used/abused gear hgh and insulin the best part of 30+ years without showing any signs of declining health aswell as close friends that have never even entered a gym and required quadruple bypass surgery in their early 40's.
Personally I've seen so much shit up till now when it comes to variences in genetics and predisposition to particular illness and health that I honestly dont care anymore, im just going to throw caution to the wind and enjoy spending the next decade or two pushing myself to the limit (in as safe a manner as possible) rather than spend an extra 3 or 4 regretting that I hadn't.
But what does everyone else think? I dont think you can truly be the best at something without that "willing to go to any length even if it kills me" mentality.
I think your last sentence is bullshit.
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plastic trophy > long life, health, family, friends, Job
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I think there comes a point when anyone who seriously consider's competing as a body builder has to accept that they are most likely going to be cleaving potential decades off their lifespan, and you have to ask yourself whether you're willing to die for what you (hopefully) love doing.
I have family members that have used/abused gear hgh and insulin the best part of 30+ years without showing any signs of declining health aswell as close friends that have never even entered a gym and required quadruple bypass surgery in their early 40's.
Personally I've seen so much shit up till now when it comes to variences in genetics and predisposition to particular illness and health that I honestly dont care anymore, im just going to throw caution to the wind and enjoy spending the next decade or two pushing myself to the limit (in as safe a manner as possible) rather than spend an extra 3 or 4 regretting that I hadn't.
But what does everyone else think? I dont think you can truly be the best at something without that "willing to go to any length even if it kills me" mentality.
How the heck do u know people abusing GH and insulin for over 30+ years??? Insulin and GH usage hasn't been around that long, certainly not 30+ yrs
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This.
I've lost 4 loved ones to violence in the last few years, 7 in my life. 1 last month and the local news won't let it settle for shit.
I live a life of paranoia. It is hell on my bp.
Yeah...I'm scared of death.
Do you live in Mogadishu?
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I think there comes a point when anyone who seriously consider's competing as a body builder has to accept that they are most likely going to be cleaving potential decades off their lifespan, and you have to ask yourself whether you're willing to die for what you (hopefully) love doing.
I have family members that have used/abused gear hgh and insulin the best part of 30+ years without showing any signs of declining health aswell as close friends that have never even entered a gym and required quadruple bypass surgery in their early 40's.
Personally I've seen so much shit up till now when it comes to variences in genetics and predisposition to particular illness and health that I honestly dont care anymore, im just going to throw caution to the wind and enjoy spending the next decade or two pushing myself to the limit (in as safe a manner as possible) rather than spend an extra 3 or 4 regretting that I hadn't.
But what does everyone else think? I dont think you can truly be the best at something without that "willing to go to any length even if it kills me" mentality.
Didn't fear death for about 4 years in my life. (Deaths, Loss of Loved ones etc)
But now i'm starting to fear death again :)
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Didn't fear death for about 4 years in my life. (Deaths, Loss of Loved ones etc)
But now i'm starting to fear death again :)
Sounds like things are looking up then.
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Sounds like things are looking up then.
It definatly is! New Woman, new Life, and a MUCH better outlook on life!
I lost three loved ones in one year (and another the year after) which took its toll on me a few years ago.
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It definatly is! New Woman, new Life, and a MUCH better outlook on life!
I lost three loved ones in one year (and another the year after) which took its toll on me a few years ago.
Sudden, unexpected stuff, or older folks?
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Sudden, unexpected stuff, or older folks?
All three unexpected (within a short time frame) and came as a shock. Took it's toll on me and alot of my hair turned grey that year!
It's much better now though, but the years following that year/time-period was not something i'd even wish upon my worst enemy!
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All three unexpected (within a short time frame) and came as a shock. Took it's toll on me and alot of my hair turned grey that year!
It's much better now though, but the years following that year/time-period was not something i'd even wish upon my worst enemy!
Sorry to hear, my friend. Glad things are getting better, though.
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All three unexpected (within a short time frame) and came as a shock. Took it's toll on me and alot of my hair turned grey that year!
It's much better now though, but the years following that year/time-period was not something i'd even wish upon my worst enemy!
Sorry you had to go thru this experience. Im glad you are doing better! I kind of know the feeling..
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Only 2 things in life are certain: Death and Taxes.-Mark Twain
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The best I can hope for is to be blinked into nothingness and in a generation or two, I'll be completely forgotten. No one will have cared about my quest for 19" arms or a 450 bench or shredded abs. They won't care that I saved enough for retirement, or that I had re-habbed a really bad knee. They won't care that I was a good father, or that I was a pretty good football player.
We care bro... we care... we always will...
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This.
I've lost 4 loved ones to violence in the last few years, 7 in my life. 1 last month and the local news won't let it settle for shit.
I live a life of paranoia. It is hell on my bp.
Yeah...I'm scared of death.
If Obama had a son... he'd apparently live nextdoor to you.
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Death is good. Looking forward to it. I perform better under pressure, they don't call it a deadline for nothing. Most people (me certainly) wouldn't do shit if they had all the time in the world.
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I just hope when itīs my time.. i take it like a man.
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I just hope when itīs my time.. i take it like a man.
Words once overheard near a certain ice machine at a certain Vegas hotel.
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Death is the only true freedom from Shizzo
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Yes I fear violent death, I want go just as my Dad did in my sleep.
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Yes I fear violent death, I want go just as my Dad did in my sleep.
I wonder whether during a painful death, i.e. an accident at work etc etc, you actually realise you're being killed or whether you just think "Shit, this is a very unexpected violent event, I hope i'll be ok" before you black out?
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I wonder whether during a painful death, i.e. an accident at work etc etc, you actually realise you're being killed or whether you just think "Shit, this is a very unexpected violent event, I hope i'll be ok" before you black out?
In certain circumstances the body does prepair itself and can actually make it a pleasant experience.
Free divers (the ones that hold their breath and sink down a cable into the deep ocean.. I think it's free diving) have to be careful, because once they reach a certain level of lack of oxygen the body actually puts itself into a euphoric state and there is a risk they'll just keep holding on and sinking until they die because they don't perceive a danger.
But who knows if things like this are full proof?
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I wonder whether during a painful death, i.e. an accident at work etc etc, you actually realise you're being killed or whether you just think "Shit, this is a very unexpected violent event, I hope i'll be ok" before you black out?
You usually have just enough time to comprehend the impact/fall/etc. and yell and flinch. You perceive the danger but don't comprehend the full repercussions in that moment. Then, if you are lucky enough to survive the initial impact and/or trauma of the CoD, you are alive just long enough to realize you have evacuated your bowels into your pants. Your last dying thought is usually, "OMG, The EMTs will see I shit myself." Then your lungs fill with blood or your hearts stops and you die gasping for oxygen like a fish on the bank.
Hope this helps.
I dont fear death. I fear a wasted or regret filled life at death's bed. The ride is short and when its over, its over. There is no afterlife. Enjoy the ride. Make the most of now. Stay thirsty, my friends. Knowing is half the battle. Stay black. Just do it. Great taste, less filling. I'm Loving it!
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we r all gonna die one day n the trick is dont think about it n enjoy everyday to its fullest, if a person is thinking about death alot they r already dead imo
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I do fear death.
I fear it, because I'm an atheist.
Who in their right mind, as an atheist, wouldn't fear being blinked into nothing? I don't fear the pain of death, or the onslaught of death. That comes for us all. Billions before me have died...I will die just as they have. There's really nothing to it. Dying with dignity might be a bit trickier, and I'll do my best to do so.
But I enjoy my life. I enjoy all the things it gives me. I have no intentions of giving any of them up so that I may die. I would like to have them forever and a day.
I hope my wife passes before I do, so I can spare her the pain of watching me die. And I hope my children are well grown and have created their own families and don't need me that much when I die, so that my passing doesn't weigh them down too much.
If I'm wrong about this whole atheism thing, and knowing my luck, I probably am, then I'm going to hell anyways. Even if I were to have a flash of clairvoyance and knew to repent, if there's a god, he wouldn't want my kind in heaven anyways. I know my wife will be there though, so I'm happy about that. She believes in "something" when we die, so I hope her "something" is rewarding.
The best I can hope for is to be blinked into nothingness and in a generation or two, I'll be completely forgotten. No one will have cared about my quest for 19" arms or a 450 bench or shredded abs. They won't care that I saved enough for retirement, or that I had re-habbed a really bad knee. They won't care that I was a good father, or that I was a pretty good football player.
And even with that foresight of knowing that no one will care, I yet still press on to achieve what I want, even if it means nothing. Even if I'm some random quantum mistake projected as a hologram from the outer shell of the universe and my consciousness is simply a quantum entanglement of dark energy that spans across the multiverse. Despite all this, I press on. I have no choice. As uberman would rightfully point out, it is my genetic fate. The fates may be what they are...I will at least try to shape a destiny out of this fate while I still can. The day I lose the drive to do it is the day I decide to test the waters of nothingness and see I'm right or wrong. And I'm not wearing my bathing suit just yet.
Very similar to my take, except I do fear the "pain of death," as you say. I'd like to go out medicated to numbness. And I, too, envy the faithful, unless I'm not reading you correctly.
Though I don't expect to, if I should meet my maker, and He asks me why I didn't believe, I'm borrowing from Ricky Gervais:
"Why did You make me an atheist?"
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I wonder whether during a painful death, i.e. an accident at work etc etc, you actually realise you're being killed or whether you just think "Shit, this is a very unexpected violent event, I hope i'll be ok" before you black out?
That would probably be a terrifying realization, no matter how prepared you thought you were.
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I wonder whether during a painful death, i.e. an accident at work etc etc, you actually realise you're being killed or whether you just think "Shit, this is a very unexpected violent event, I hope i'll be ok" before you black out?
A very good question.
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most people go into shock before they die, usually they pass out also n dont feel the pain of death. people who survived great white shark attacks say they didnt feel anything after a certain point n everything was calm ???
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I do fear death.
I fear it, because I'm an atheist.
Who in their right mind, as an atheist, wouldn't fear being blinked into nothing? I don't fear the pain of death, or the onslaught of death. That comes for us all. Billions before me have died...I will die just as they have. There's really nothing to it. Dying with dignity might be a bit trickier, and I'll do my best to do so.
But I enjoy my life. I enjoy all the things it gives me. I have no intentions of giving any of them up so that I may die. I would like to have them forever and a day.
I hope my wife passes before I do, so I can spare her the pain of watching me die. And I hope my children are well grown and have created their own families and don't need me that much when I die, so that my passing doesn't weigh them down too much.
If I'm wrong about this whole atheism thing, and knowing my luck, I probably am, then I'm going to hell anyways. Even if I were to have a flash of clairvoyance and knew to repent, if there's a god, he wouldn't want my kind in heaven anyways. I know my wife will be there though, so I'm happy about that. She believes in "something" when we die, so I hope her "something" is rewarding.
The best I can hope for is to be blinked into nothingness and in a generation or two, I'll be completely forgotten. No one will have cared about my quest for 19" arms or a 450 bench or shredded abs. They won't care that I saved enough for retirement, or that I had re-habbed a really bad knee. They won't care that I was a good father, or that I was a pretty good football player.
And even with that foresight of knowing that no one will care, I yet still press on to achieve what I want, even if it means nothing. Even if I'm some random quantum mistake projected as a hologram from the outer shell of the universe and my consciousness is simply a quantum entanglement of dark energy that spans across the multiverse. Despite all this, I press on. I have no choice. As uberman would rightfully point out, it is my genetic fate. The fates may be what they are...I will at least try to shape a destiny out of this fate while I still can. The day I lose the drive to do it is the day I decide to test the waters of nothingness and see I'm right or wrong. And I'm not wearing my bathing suit just yet.
Heaven and Hell are religious terms. Learn deep meditation and you will come to know that nothingness is the fullest thing there is :)
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I was in hospital a few years ago and there was an old guy on the ward, I went talking to him as he didnt get any visitors one night.
After talking for a while i asked him if he wanted some of his juice, he said no, I asked him if he wanted various things from his dresser he kept saying no
I asked him if there was anything he wanted , he said, "I just want to die"
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I was in hospital a few years ago and there was an old guy on the ward, I went talking to him as he didnt get any visitors one night.
After talking for a while i asked him if he wanted some of his juice, he said no, I asked him if he wanted various things from his dresser he kept saying no
I asked him if there was anything he wanted , he said, "I just want to die"
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Death doesn't scare me.. the dying pretty much sucks though
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I was in hospital a few years ago and there was an old guy on the ward, I went talking to him as he didnt get any visitors one night.
After talking for a while i asked him if he wanted some of his juice, he said no, I asked him if he wanted various things from his dresser he kept saying no
I asked him if there was anything he wanted , he said, "I just want to die"
Was he in pain? Was it a combo of that plus loneliness, depression and helplessness?
Some people just throw in the towel.
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i guess we hit a point n we know we have to tap out n move on, when i was in hospital the last few times id see old people in pain laying there n id feel bad for them but then id say to myself thats gonna be me one day n id get scared shitless, its a scary thought,to me it is anyway
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Was he in pain? Was it a combo of that plus loneliness, depression and helplessness?
Some people just throw in the towel.
I think most people are happy to go when the time comes.
Old age is a bastard.
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Death doesn't scare me.. the dying pretty much sucks though
Fear dying, but not death itself.
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I think most people are happy to go when the time comes.
Old age is a bastard.
Yeah, you are right. And then there are old people who are happy to be alive, who it almost seems that they have a new lease on life...still learning, still giving out advice...seeing those people still enjoying life helps uplift you...because whatever you are going through, chances are that they have gone through it, or worse. And yet, here they are enjoying life.
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death more unfortunate for the hardworker than it is some pussy who doesnt work hard
i look at all the houses i have worked on and fixed up, and to die and be the end of me doesnt seem to sit well with me.
sometimes i do have those moments that are rare but occasional where i really fear death, or the thought of my soul existing for ever and ever like there is no end. then the fear gets really intense to where my heart rate picks up but then i calm myself with the thought of just sayin "fuckit oh fuckit got dammit lord fuck it!"
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It is not death that we fear, but the unknown. It is only human to do so and after all, that is exactly what we are.
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It is not death that we fear, but the unknown. It is only human to do so and after all, that is exactly what we are.
Quite true.
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It is not death that we fear, but the unknown. It is only human to do so and after all, that is exactly what we are.
Eh, maybe too simplistic. If we KNOW it will be preceded by prolonged suffering, we may damn well fear that, too.
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Eh, maybe too simplistic. If we KNOW it will be preceded by prolonged suffering, we may damn well fear that.
Suffering, physical pain and the like has an end. You are either made whole/well or you die. And you are correct after a fashion but I find that which is simple is often simply true.
For example, take someone that says they don't fear the "unknown" and drop them a few miles off shore of Australia in the darkness of night. Alone save a device to record their reactions.
Now then, wait.
The moment they "feel" something bump into them, the fear that is the unknown becomes readily apparent. It may or may not mean death is coming in the form of a Great White or it could just be random debris... If memory serves me, the opening chapter of the book "Jaws" focused on a similar moment until the woman reached down to feel her leg and fear of the unknown turned to the horror of reality.
Of course we know how that moment ended, but the fear of what was unknown to the woman was bone chilling.
I have faith but must be honest to say that still I fear the unknown of what awaits me upon my death. Will I hear the words, "Well done, faithful servant"... or will the last sound I ever hear be that of my final heartbeat and I and all I that I know and treasure be lost to the nothingness of silence?
The fear of death will pass into eternity. What awaits us there is yet to be seen. I look forward to meeting not only family and friends that I know in the real world, but others such as yourself. i use this hope to balance out, if you will, my fear of the unknown.
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Suffering, physical pain and the like has an end. You are either made whole/well or you die. And you are correct after a fashion but I find that which is simple is often simply true.
For example, take someone that says they don't fear the "unknown" and drop them a few miles off shore of Australia in the darkness of night. Alone save a device to record their reactions.
Now then, wait.
The moment they "feel" something bump into them, the fear that is the unknown becomes readily apparent. It may or may not mean death is coming in the form of a Great White or it could just be random debris... If memory serves me, the opening chapter of the book "Jaws" focused on a similar moment until the woman reached down to feel her leg and fear of the unknown turned to the horror of reality.
Of course we know how that moment ended, but the fear of what was unknown to the woman was bone chilling.
I have faith but must be honest to say that still I fear the unknown of what awaits me upon my death. Will I hear the words, "Well done, faithful servant"... or will the last sound I ever hear be that of my final heartbeat and I and all I that I know and treasure be lost to the nothingness of silence?
The fear of death will pass into eternity. What awaits us there is yet to be seen. I look forward to meeting not only family and friends that I know in the real world, but others such as yourself. i use this hope to balance out, if you will, my fear of the unknown.
Just saying fear isn't limited to things unknown is all. We often fear things we're familiar with, there are endless examples.
Not arguing at all which we may fear MORE.
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Just saying fear isn't limited to things unknown is all. We often fear things we're familiar with, there are endless examples.
Not arguing at all which we may fear MORE.
True, my friend. I was often scared out of my mind by what my father would say or do when he came home to find out I did something reeeeeeeeeeeeeally stoooopid! ;D Talk about the known and unknown combining to bring fear to a new level! Dad could do just that. ;D
Be well.
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I fear getting old and falling apart more than I fear death.
Here, here!
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You sound like the guy that says, "My grandfather smoked cigarettes for 70 years and he's still around. What's the harm?" Are cigarettes a risk to health? Hell, yes.
Bodybuilding drugs are a risk to health and it's sad that users rationalize the potential for problems. Law suits are flying right now over minimal hormone replacement therapy doses that has been shown in studies to increase the odds of heart attacks and strokes. While no real studies exist on recreational bodybuilders using drugs to have cosmetic muscles one can say through empirical examination where there is smoke there is fire. How much heart disease, liver and kidney problems do you need as proof? I have been around this game for a long time and let me tell you eventually everyone gives up drug use because of a health issue. Sometimes they give up due to arrest issues or finances but the number one reason is that their health starts failing.
Haha funilly enough my grand father smoked a pipe heavily and drank until he died at the age of 96.
My other grandfather was born with a heart defect that caused clots and an irregular heart beat, eat a dog shit diet and has massive amounts of vicseral fat build up in his abdomen and wound up getting a heart attack at the age of 75 from the diuretics prescribed to him a week earlier thickening his blood to a point his heart couldnt cope, he survived and seems in better health now than most people his age.
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No
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How the heck do u know people abusing GH and insulin for over 30+ years??? Insulin and GH usage hasn't been around that long, certainly not 30+ yrs
Started competing at the age of 17 began using insulin and gh during his early 30's now in his 50's.
He's still cycling everything, never had a health problem related to gear as of yet. bar an Infection or two.
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For those who believe in God, most of the big questions are answered.
But for those of us who can't readily accept the God formula, the big answers don't remain stone-written.
We adjust to new conditions and discoveries. We are pliable. Love need not be a command or faith a dictum.
I am my own God. We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system.
We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war.
We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us.
Charles Bukowski
(1920 - 1994)
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seriously... what's the point?
once you've had "bad things" happen to you.. once you've been in bad situations, you tend to realize "oh... well... that's not so bad." and you lose that fear.
there's no point walking around each day, or ANY day, afraid of anything.
if you die, you die. not like you're gonna look back and say "damnit... I fucking died".
everybody dies.
there's a watch I used to see advertised in Esquire (I think?) that had "Remember" as the hour hand, and "You will die" as the minute hand... I loved that watch.
you think about that next time you're doing a "wooaaa is me" pitty party and worrying about a bunch of bullshit.
I've lost everything in my life, and you know what? it wasn't soo bad.... and you know what else? I got it all back.... so dying? big fucking deal.
the ones who accept the fact that they will die, will always have an advantage over the ones who will do anything to avoid it.
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Any human fears death.
Any human fears the ultimate transition into the unknown, what sort of question is that?
You can bodybuild safely, you can even use steroids safely. There is no need to "throw caution to the wind". You can get a fantastic physique without completely nuking your healthy with mega doses of AAS.
Moderation and patience is the key to everything in life.
Did the 70s bodybuilders drop dead? No, it is only the crop of 90s and 00s retards who are dropping like flies due to the massive abuse of heavy androgens. Simply because unbridled drug use has replaced work ethic and common sense.
Outstanding post, but then, I can't recall you ever saying anything off-base or altogether irrational. 'Matter of fact, I'd have to declare you one of DCM's favorite Getbig posters :) ;)
... no homo, of course :o ;D
I would nitpick and say that, while some of the 70s guys didn't just drop dead straight away, some of the mega-abusers of that so-called "era" probably did shorten their lives with truly batshit insane AAS use. That loud-mouthed bully halfwit Steve What'shisname, the Intensity or Insanity dude, reportedly did enough pins and orals to make even some of the modern idiots do a double-take. (When someone prides himself on doing upwards of 80 sets per bodypart, complete with forced reps and all of that stupid Tom Platzish "kill me, kill me!" bit at the conclusion of many said sets, I'll be a goddamned monkey's uncle if he ever improves without taking an INSANE amount of drugs.)
On the other hand, as you said, Arnold's still around. Franco, Frank, Robby, Ed, Danny and Lou are still kicking; hell, some of them still actually look pretty good, particularly to be old farts. People could slam the Mentzers, Viator, Serge Nubret, Sergio et al. for not making it, but perhaps apart from Sergio, none of those guys used the kind of doses gh15 would blush about. Nah ... I knew Mike, and he was always quite candid about his drug use. He even tried to talk me into using them :) And yeah, he loved some goodly doses of Deca, and he was very fond of Dianabol, too -- but you can ask other fellas who know/knew him and I'm sure they'd attest that he was FAR from a drug-dependent builder. (When someone can bench 350 and full squat 500 for a few reps as a fucking fifteen-year-old, well ... that pretty much says it all about Mike.)
But to back up: I don't know what got Sergio apart from eating a bunch of shit for decades on end. Greasy burgers and fries, greasy pizza, tons of Coke ... maybe that, plus reports of his "Eeets tyme tdo garow, baybee!" alleged habit of downing handfuls of CIBA DBols like candy, lead to his early demise. Mike became a heavy smoker in no later than the early eighties (probably partly to emulate Jones and, to a lesser extent, Casey Viator), Ray had serious health problems and I've many times read that Serge smoked a good bit, too. Plus, we all know Casey got REALLY fucking fat after he retired and, as a younger man at least, he was smoking a pack a day by the time he was 15-years-old, LOL. Even if he quit in the 80's, it's small wonder he, the Mentzer Bros., Serge and even Sergio croaked when they did. (Incidental note: as much as I like Markus Ruehl as a very funny and super-cool guy, we all know he at least used to be a smoker on top of using an exorbitant amount of drugs. His lobster-red body betrays a BP that's got to be off the charts, and a hemoglobin level that's probably north of 30 (16-18 is considered "high normal," FWIW).)
To speak to the topic at hand, I know I fear death. Wasn't it Descartes who wrote, "Cogito Ergo Sum" -- I think, therefore I am? Consciousness defines our existence. If we're doomed to simply rot in the ground when we die/lose consciousness, fuck, yes, I'm afraid of that. Why do you think so many atheists, agnostics and humanists ultimately embrace religion? The concept of an afterlife is certainly something I can't prove or demonstrate but, as a pragmatist, I choose to believe because it serves my own selfish purposes; i.e., the idea that I and all of my loved ones -- among many, of course -- will transcend the mortal coil. Otherwise, I'd be hopelessly arrested by the finality of the whole thing.
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seriously... what's the point?
once you've had "bad things" happen to you.. once you've been in bad situations, you tend to realize "oh... well... that's not so bad." and you lose that fear.
there's no point walking around each day, or ANY day, afraid of anything.
if you die, you die. not like you're gonna look back and say "damnit... I fucking died".
everybody dies.
there's a watch I used to see advertised in Esquire (I think?) that had "Remember" as the hour hand, and "You will die" as the minute hand... I loved that watch.
you think about that next time you're doing a "wooaaa is me" pitty party and worrying about a bunch of bullshit.
I've lost everything in my life, and you know what? it wasn't soo bad.... and you know what else? I got it all back.... so dying? big fucking deal.
the ones who accept the fact that they will die, will always have an advantage over the ones who will do anything to avoid it.
That, too, is an outstanding post. Kudos, honorable sir.
BTW, that reminds me how much I miss my subscription to Esquire. One of my goals in life was to have a short story published in that sucker :)
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That, too, is an outstanding post. Kudos, honorable sir.
BTW, that reminds me how much I miss my subscription to Esquire. One of my goals in life was to have a short story published in that sucker :)
I think the Buddhist view of death differs greatly from the typical Christian view.
one embraces, the other fears.
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seriously... what's the point?
once you've had "bad things" happen to you.. once you've been in bad situations, you tend to realize "oh... well... that's not so bad." and you lose that fear.
there's no point walking around each day, or ANY day, afraid of anything.
if you die, you die. not like you're gonna look back and say "damnit... I fucking died".
everybody dies.
there's a watch I used to see advertised in Esquire (I think?) that had "Remember" as the hour hand, and "You will die" as the minute hand... I loved that watch.
you think about that next time you're doing a "wooaaa is me" pitty party and worrying about a bunch of bullshit.
I've lost everything in my life, and you know what? it wasn't soo bad.... and you know what else? I got it all back.... so dying? big fucking deal.
the ones who accept the fact that they will die, will always have an advantage over the ones who will do anything to avoid it.
Tyler agrees.
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True DEATH...............is being Spiritually dead................whil e in the flesh.
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Hebrews 2:15.................And free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.
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Dying....ha ha ha.
I'm never dying
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Nope.
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Tyler agrees.
I remember reading the book in prison and thinking "shit, this is all daoist/buddhist philosophy" (I ran a Buddhist study group).. obviously stuff I didn't catch when I first watched the movie years prior.
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I think the Buddhist view of death differs greatly from the typical Christian view.
one embraces, the other fears.
Hmmm...How does that go? Know Christ, no fear. No Christ, know fear.
People are people and Buddhists are just as fearful of the unknown as anyone else including Christians. Some more, some less.
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Hmmm...How does that go? Know Christ, no fear. No Christ, know fear.
People are people and Buddhists are just as fearful of the unknown as anyone else including Christians. Some more, some less.
eh... no.
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I recently lost my little brother, he was 24. When I say recently I mean very recently, so seeing this thread pop up is a little eary.
Let me tell you death is no Joke. Nothing could be worse then death, there is no coming back, that's it. I dont think people should fear it though - we will however I think, it can't really be helped i guess.
To the OP, you are thinking very foolishly. Let me tell you, you never think it will happen to you or someone you love untill it actually does.
You should be as careful with your health etc as possible. You may live till 90 or die tomorrow, but regardless, you should never be careless with your life or anybody elses for that matter.
Dont act as if you have no control over it though. You will die, but why would you want to speed up the process.
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I recently lost my little brother, he was 24. When I say recently I mean very recently, so seeing this thread pop up is a little eary.
Let me tell you death is no Joke. Nothing could be worse then death, there is no coming back, that's it. I dont think people should fear it though - we will however I think, it can't really be helped i guess.
To the OP, you are thinking very foolishly. Let me tell you, you never think it will happen to you or someone you love untill it actually does.
You should be as careful with your health etc as possible. You may live till 90 or die tomorrow, but regardless, you should never be careless with your life or anybody elses for that matter.
Dont act as if you have no control over it though. You will die, but why would you want to speed up the process.
You have my deepest sympathy, I would lose my fucking mind if my brother passed. I'm very sad for you
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I've been married four times. I fear nothing
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I remember reading the book in prison and thinking "shit, this is all daoist/buddhist philosophy" (I ran a Buddhist study group).. obviously stuff I didn't catch when I first watched the movie years prior.
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Lol
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ahh... that's very drama-queen, queer-eye-for-the-straight-guy of you Jeffery.
keep the eye-rolls coming...
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ahh... that's very drama-queen, queer-eye-for-the-straight-guy of you Jeffery.
keep the eye-rolls coming...
Its just you giving classes on Buddism, are you sure it wasnt Bullying?
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Ethical conduct
(Sanskrit: śīla,
Pāli: sīla)
3. Right speech samyag vāc,sammā vāca Speaking in a truthful and non-hurtful way
4. Right action samyag karman,sammā kammanta Acting in a non-harmful way
5. Right livelihood samyag ājīvana,sammā ājīva A non-harmful livelihood
ESFitness to a tee.
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ESFitness to a tee.
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Its just you giving classes on Buddism, are you sure it wasnt Bullying?
you realize that I reply to your disrespect, right?
you're an internet troll who spends ALL but 3hours a day on getbig.com posting catty little comments.
epic life accomplishment.
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ESFitness to a tee.
Esfitness is so neutral and mild, when he takes 6g of drugs they turn neutral and mild.
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you realize that I reply to your disrespect, right?
you're an internet troll who spends ALL but 3hours a day on getbig.com posting catty little comments.
epic life accomplishment.
You havent earned my respect, why should I just give it to you?
3 hours? Pfft I sleep at least 5 hours a night.
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Esfitness is so neutral and mild, when he takes 6g of drugs they turn neutral and mild.
Hes like a black hole.
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You havent earned my respect, why should I just give it to you?
3 hours? Pfft I sleep at least 5 hours a night.
really? because the getbig statistics show different... you realize it shows what times you post, right? lol.. fucking idiot.
posting every hour except 3. lol
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really? because the getbig statistics show different... you realize it shows what times you post, right? lol.. fucking idiot.
posting every hour except 3. lol
lol, go and look at your own.
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lol, go and look at your own.
I work till midnight, sleep at 3, maybe 4, up at 9 or 10.
I know when I'm online.
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I work till midnight, sleep at 3, maybe 4, up at 9 or 10.
I know when I'm online.
Me to numbnuts, thats why I know I dont only have a three hour window.
Jeez, I suppose my stats are right and yours are wrong?
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I greatley fear dying while my children are young and not being able to be there for them and to raise them and protect them.
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I do not fear death
I fear dying
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Considering that it's an absolute certainty, I find it interesting how little we actually think about it.
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death fears Basile, if the other thread is to be believed
Basile invented death
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Blue Stars fear Vince Basile
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I make love with fear
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I ALWAYS wear my Tap Out t shirt, that way death will always be too scared to come for me.
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I can tell you that there is a calm and peace during the final seconds of life.
I was driving from Arizona to L.A. to visit family. Thought I was having a severe bleeding hemorrhoid problem and even called my Doc on the cell phone to set up action once I got to L.A. in 2 hours. Suddenly I was sitting in a pool of warm blood, sharp pain in my groin and getting light headed. I pulled off the highway into a gas station and dialed 911 then my son. I remember he said "you will be OK Dad I can hear the sirens. (little did I know i was 1 mile from a Palm Springs ER room). I next remember the paramedics calling into the hospital and giving my blood pressure "60/30". They were instructed to give me a bulla high rate IV. Next I remember the ER Doc telling me I has in trouble and to make peace with my Higher Power. "I will do everything I can to save you today." I remember drifting away and the Nurse calling "Code Blue bed 7". This happened twice. I had fluids going in one arm and fresh blood in the other. My BP was almost zip. I remember the peace and calm....then ZAP I was back. "He's back" I heard. Apparently you don't remember feeling the shock of the paddles.
After surgery with my BP stabilized I was told I had a ruptured artery (aneurysm) in my colon.
I have been given so far 3 more years on this planet and strive to do good for all who cross my path. I am grateful. I has always wondered what my last moments would be like....now I know. I still prefer life.
BTW the Doc told me that heavy lifting and squats has nothing to do with this condition.
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More intrigued than scared, like what the fuck actually happens when one dies, heaven hell nothing etc.
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Nope.....but TO!,now that's another story :-X