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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Darren Avey on July 03, 2014, 10:50:54 AM
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I think he d rape them all in da cage. Easily. Toughest bastard EVER>
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Imagine Chael or Brockgiving him shit hahah
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Bad ass dude
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He would of easily been a champ under the right coach.
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Met him i 98 in stockholm, dude was huuuuge
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He would have been good.
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it woulda all depended on how he approached the MMA game, if he had the mark coleman/kevin randleman/brock lesner type of mindset that all they r gonna do is rely on ground n pound n not work super hard on submissions n submission defense as well as striking n striking defense he will fail, wrestlers that became champions where the ones that realized wrestling just wasnt enough n worked on all the other areas as well. dont get me wrong,wrestling is the best base imo for MMA,but to rely on it alone is foolish, couture,hughes,ortiz,sherk ect all bacame very good at bjj and striking and that helped them bigtime. if karelin woulda trained under a great camp like extreme couture or jacksons or american top team ect he woulda been a top contender imo, but there are so many factors to consider, questions like can he take a punch? or can he learn to fight off his back ect,its hard to say unless he actually fought,but i think he woulda did fine tho
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Has his chin ever been tested?
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He would've done well.... But a couple strikers would've exploited his one-dimensional wrestling style.
Mirko, Fedor, Hunt would've caused him problems.
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Very strong guy
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He deadlifted 880lbs for 3
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Has his chin ever been tested?
I would have loved to see Alexander Karelin vs Igor Vovchanchyn. Igor would have tested his chin.
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Igor would've been smashed to bits within 2 minutes! Sooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooo Overrated.
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He deadlifted 880lbs for 3
::)
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Igor would've been smashed to bits within 2 minutes! Sooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooo Overrated.
Igor was no joke. And Igor is Russian so there would not have been a hint of intimidation what-so-ever. That Russian mystique that Karelin had... would have been lost.
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Could defeat all comers except Falcon and keg drainer
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The Experiment was great but could he pass a simple drug test (I know all these guys juice but back then USSR just didn't give a fuck)? With proper coaching, probably would have done great I guess. Guy lost how many fights? One?
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The Experiment was great but could he pass a simple drug test (I know all these guys juice but back then USSR just didn't give a fuck)? With proper coaching, probably would have done great I guess. Guy lost how many fights? One?
If he passed Olympic drug testing for his entire career, why wouldn't he pass UFC drug testing?
That makes no sense. If anything, he'd be on "TRT" and be bigger and stronger.
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If he passed Olympic drug testing for his entire career, why wouldn't he pass UFC drug testing?
That makes no sense. If anything, he'd be on "TRT" and be bigger and stronger.
Maybe. I don't know what those tests were like back then. They've always had ways of passing those tests and it's always been a huge hypocrisy but the '80s were particularly soft. Ben Johnson took the fall but remember FG Joyner and a lot of the Eastern block female athletes never got caught. ::)
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"TRT"
:D
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Maybe. I don't know what those tests were like back then. They've always had ways of passing those tests and it's always been a huge hypocrisy but the '80s were particularly soft. Ben Johnson took the fall but remember FG Joyner and a lot of the Eastern block female athletes never got caught. ::)
Hypocrisy?
Carl Lewis tested positive twice leading up to his race with Ben Johnson and the U.S. hid the results and sent him to Seoul anyway. The testing and Olympics are political bullshit.
The UFC would bend the rules in a circle if they thought it would make them money.
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Hypocrisy?
Carl Lewis tested positive twice leading up to his race with Ben Johnson and the U.S. hid the results and sent him to Seoul anyway. The testing and Olympics are political bullshit.
The UFC would bend the rules in a circle if they thought it would make them money.
You're probably right. I wonder how much the 'muricans would love to see a "cold as ice" big Russian dude butcher their boys though.
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You're probably right. I wonder how much the 'muricans would love to see a "cold as ice" big Russian dude butcher their boys though.
Yeah....I'm not arguing, I'm just saying that if you aren't going to enforce the drug testing rules equally, then remove them.
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Yeah....I'm not arguing, I'm just saying that if you aren't going to enforce the drug testing rules equally, then remove them.
I also agree but as you said, political bullshit. So it will always be enforced in a way that pleases the ones calling the shots and making the most money out of it.
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Igor would've been smashed to bits within 2 minutes! Sooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooo Overrated.
Igor overrated, surely a joke?! You knew nothing about the man 'til i mentioned him and by the sound of things you still have no idea about him. Igor in his prime was a killing machine, little man fighting above his weight and leaving mounds of unconscious opponents in his wake. Feared nobody and possessed incredible KO power, would be a test for anyone at his best.
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He would be the champ for a long time. Randy Couture was another Greco Roman wrestler who wasn't in the same league as Karelin. I think Karelin would have adapted quickly to the MMA game.
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it woulda all depended on how he approached the MMA game, if he had the mark coleman/kevin randleman/brock lesner type of mindset that all they r gonna do is rely on ground n pound n not work super hard on submissions n submission defense as well as striking n striking defense he will fail, wrestlers that became champions where the ones that realized wrestling just wasnt enough n worked on all the other areas as well. dont get me wrong,wrestling is the best base imo for MMA,but to rely on it alone is foolish, couture,hughes,ortiz,sherk ect all bacame very good at bjj and striking and that helped them bigtime. if karelin woulda trained under a great camp like extreme couture or jacksons or american top team ect he woulda been a top contender imo, but there are so many factors to consider, questions like can he take a punch? or can he learn to fight off his back ect,its hard to say unless he actually fought,but i think he woulda did fine tho
coleman, randleman and lesnar were all champions
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887 Wins.............2 Loses.........in his whole career... ??? ??? ???... and 1 of those loses came @ the end of his Career... :o :o :o..........yup its one of those difficult things too fully gauge really...Grecco wrestling etc is one thing...getting Punched, kneed, elbowed and kicked in the face is something else...with the right team/coach etc...a Prime Karelin would have had a real good shot thats for sure...the standup withstanding.........
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887 Wins.............2 Loses.........in his whole career... ??? ??? ???... and 1 of those loses came @ the end of his Career... :o :o :o..........yup its one of those difficult things too fully gauge really...Grecco wrestling etc is one thing...getting Punched, kneed, elbowed and kicked in the face is something else...with the right team/coach etc...a Prime Karelin would have had a real good shot thats for sure...the standup withstanding.........
Let see..for six full years this guy never lost a single point in international competition, to anyone, and won most of his fights in less than three minutes. He was wrestling against world best wrestlers, top guys and for six years they didn't get even single point out from him? And look at his face, do he look like he would be afraid to fight? Do he look like he couldn't kick and use his fists? When some one is as talented as Karelin, how difficult it would be to teach him how to block the kicks and hits? This guy was extremely fast and strong, and he has reach of the orangutan. He used to take a grip of the opponents arms and squeeze until they didn't feel their fingers. He trained his neck by doing head stands, and from that position lowered his ear to the floor alternately on either side, or tilting his head front and back. I bet this guy could take decent beating even his hand behind his back, and then laughing rip the ears of from the beaters with no effort at all ;D
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Let see..for six full years this guy never lost a single point in international competition, to anyone, and won most of his fights in less than three minutes. He was wrestling against world best wrestlers, top guys and for six years they didn't get even single point out from him? And look at his face, do he look like he would be afraid to fight? Do he look like he couldn't kick and use his fists? When some one is as talented as Karelin, how difficult it would be to teach him how to block the kicks and hits? This guy was extremely fast and strong, and he has reach of the orangutan. He used to take a grip of the opponents arms and squeeze until they didn't feel their fingers. He trained his neck by doing head stands, and from that position lowered his ear to the floor alternately on either side, or tilting his head front and back. I bet this guy could take decent beating even his hand behind his back, and then laughing rip the ears of from the beaters with no effort at all ;D
This.
And I'd suspect that Karelin would never underestimate his opposition. He'd propably train his weaker areas.
Could've, should've, would've, one never really knows though?
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How about prime Meng in UFC?
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Prime Haku would be dangerous.
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Imagine a time machine so we could get ebveryone in the UFC in their primes! Karelin, Tyson, Bruce Lee, Meng! Andre the Giant, Jack Dempsey.
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coleman, randleman and lesnar were all champions
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yes they where but the game passed them by, what i mean is while everyone else was working there WEAK AREAS coleman/randleman/lesnar where all just focusing on wrestling n GROUND N POUND,problem was people starting learning how to SPRAWL N BRAWL n get BACK TO THEIR FEET after they got taken down. then what happened? we seen it when coleman fought MO SMITH, FEDOR for example, coleman starting gassing n since he had no other game besides ground n pound he was lost. randleman same thing, before he KO,D CRO COP he looked horribe, basiclly just held cro cop against ropes n tried to take him down but really couldnt, i do give randleman credit tho cause he has that huge left hand that can drop anyone, but again,without his takedowns n big left hand randlemans not a WELL ROUNDED FIGHTER like MATT HUGHES for example, hughes can SUBMIT PEOPLE N HAS SUBMITTED SUCH GREATS AS GRACIE BLACK BELT RICARDO ALMEIDA, all im saying is that MMA is always evolving n if a person thinks they dont have to keep evolving with the sport they will b left far behind. if coleman woulda had a nice guard game n even got to a PURPLE BELT LEVEL he woulda did better, i remember watching alot of coleman fights thinking he coulda finished the fight right there, u guys remember the fedor fight? coleman had fedors back n looked clueless had to finish the RNC(REAR NAKED CHOKE), dont get me wrong fedor is a world champion in submission grappling so even if mark woulda known how to do that chokw perfectly it prolly wouldnt of worked anyway cause both guy where slipperry at that point, but who knows?
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Who's winning this UFC? Weidman or Machida? Machida is finally fighting in his true weigh class.
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Karelin was a monster
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yes they where but the game passed them by, what i mean is while everyone else was working there WEAK AREAS coleman/randleman/lesnar where all just focusing on wrestling n GROUND N POUND,problem was people starting learning how to SPRAWL N BRAWL n get BACK TO THEIR FEET after they got taken down. then what happened? we seen it when coleman fought MO SMITH, FEDOR for example, coleman starting gassing n since he had no other game besides ground n pound he was lost. randleman same thing, before he KO,D CRO COP he looked horribe, basiclly just held cro cop against ropes n tried to take him down but really couldnt, i do give randleman credit tho cause he has that huge left hand that can drop anyone, but again,without his takedowns n big left hand randlemans not a WELL ROUNDED FIGHTER like MATT HUGHES for example, hughes can SUBMIT PEOPLE N HAS SUBMITTED SUCH GREATS AS GRACIE BLACK BELT RICARDO ALMEIDA, all im saying is that MMA is always evolving n if a person thinks they dont have to keep evolving with the sport they will b left far behind. if coleman woulda had a nice guard game n even got to a PURPLE BELT LEVEL he woulda did better, i remember watching alot of coleman fights thinking he coulda finished the fight right there, u guys remember the fedor fight? coleman had fedors back n looked clueless had to finish the RNC(REAR NAKED CHOKE), dont get me wrong fedor is a world champion in submission grappling so even if mark woulda known how to do that chokw perfectly it prolly wouldnt of worked anyway cause both guy where slipperry at that point, but who knows?
Bas Rutten said that Lesnar would've been smart to train with Golden Glory in Holland
But the best striker that Lesnar worked with was Pat Berry ::)
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poorly
he's a one dimensional fighter and only knows groundgame
if he learned standup earlier on he might have done well
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Igor overrated, surely a joke?! You knew nothing about the man 'til i mentioned him and by the sound of things you still have no idea about him. Igor in his prime was a killing machine, little man fighting above his weight and leaving mounds of unconscious opponents in his wake. Feared nobody and possessed incredible KO power, would be a test for anyone at his best.
This...
Check my user name... Igor also had a 40 fight win streak.. Beat the shit out of mark Kerr when he was thought to be indestructible
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Shamrock would have kicked his teeth in and then buy him vodka to wash them down.
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Igor overrated, surely a joke?! You knew nothing about the man 'til i mentioned him and by the sound of things you still have no idea about him. Igor in his prime was a killing machine, little man fighting above his weight and leaving mounds of unconscious opponents in his wake. Feared nobody and possessed incredible KO power, would be a test for anyone at his best.
Hi Igor ;D
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Oh igor VOVCHANCYN!!
I thought you meant Igor , Draculas butler.
Vovchancyn yeh he was a bad ass