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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Simple Simon on July 21, 2014, 05:40:18 AM
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Looks like Phil was pretty much where he is now size wise in 2005.
I think with the right training nutrition and response to supplements a guy can go from beginner to Pro in 3 or 4 years.
Once these guys turn pro they dont really change all that much in the following years.
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Phil actually had abs back then rather than two growth hormone slabs. I think some actually get worse once they turn pro.
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Looks like Phil was pretty much where he is now size wise in 2005.
I think with the right training nutrition and response to supplements a guy can go from beginner to Pro in 3 or 4 years.
Once these guys turn pro they dont really change all that much in the following years.
I think this is 03 , so yes great response
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Great look there!
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7 years diff.
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(http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4751/flsphilheath20032010.jpg)
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yes they do.
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Genetics mean everything, not just structure, but ability to build amounts of muscle, ability to get ripped. Not everyone can look like Dennis Wolf or Dorian, they can appear ripped at higher BF, some people hold it differently.
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Once these guys turn pro they dont really change all that much in the following years.
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I don't understand when guys here say for instance "Ramy looks even bigger now".
In terms of muscle size, the pro's have all maxed out and are as big as they will ever get. They haven't progressed for years. Changes to their physique will only be a conditioning issue or oil usage.
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The pros keep improving but the change is not dramatic so you dont notice it because at that point they mostly focus on bring up their weak bodyparts.
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Also strength of kidneys/liver are a factor genetically.
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It seems to me there's quite a difference over those 7 years.
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Genetics and the right 'friends'...
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Also strength of kidneys/liver are a factor genetically.
Very good point. The ability to tolerate continuous/high amounts of drugs is probably the most important factor on how far someone can take it.
With all the drugs that are being taken, these guys feel as though they are invincible. This androgen induced invulnerability is what leads to health problems and inevitable kidney/liver problems/failure.
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Ya genetics suck I've been pushing it hard using moderate cycles for ten years. I'm about 20-25 pounds heavier then I would be as a natural. After my first two cycles I don't put anymore weight on. Only.thing that might make a difference is gh but I can't afford it. Now it's time to figure out the least amount I can use and not lose too much. I thought after ten years of working hard and using I would be 230-240 lean at a low bf. I'm like 210 at 6'0 around 9-10 bf. Fuggin sucks.
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Ya genetics suck I've been pushing it hard using moderate cycles for ten years. I'm about 20-25 pounds heavier then I would be as a natural. After my first two cycles I don't put anymore weight on. Only.thing that might make a difference is gh but I can't afford it. Now it's time to figure out the least amount I can use and not lose too much. I thought after ten years of working hard and using I would be 230-240 lean at a low bf. I'm like 210 at 6'0 around 9-10 bf. Fuggin sucks.
I think this has to do with how you construct your cycles, try 1 gram of test with 750mg of tren and pop some anadrol tabs that should get you growing.
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Looks like Phil was pretty much where he is now size wise in 2005.
I think with the right training nutrition and response to supplements a guy can go from beginner to Pro in 3 or 4 years.
Once these guys turn pro they dont really change all that much in the following years.
It should be "genetics and Weider decide your future in bodybuilding"
Phil won his first Pro show at what, 220-225? And now he is 245-250? I say that him incrementally adding weight, along with his genetics helped. He did what Shawn Ray did, but on a grander scale. This is what Flex Wheeler needed to do as well. And Dex had said that Melvin Anthony was coming in too heavy at 235-240 and needed to come in lighter. I think his ego didn't want to take a hit. The best Melvin has looked was when he won his Pro card, and it was downhill from there.
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I think this is 03 , so yes great response
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Chest actually looks bigger in relation to his arm and delts back then. Does this legs to the theory that one of the reasons why the old school seemed to have better chests back then was because the delts were not as big?
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Just do genetic sport test ;)
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Very good point. The ability to tolerate continuous/high amounts of drugs is probably the most important factor on how far someone can take it.
With all the drugs that are being taken, these guys feel as though they are invincible. This androgen induced invulnerability is what leads to health problems and inevitable kidney/liver problems/failure.
No, i think it's a greatly overrated "point"
How much use people can get away with in the long run is less a difference than the great and poor response to gear can make.
If somebody gets a nice build on 500mg of anything a week plus maybe some HGH, they will not run into the same problems as a poor responder would.
You think this is impossible?
Look at Simple Simon, he uses almost trt dosages, and then look at esfitness the retard calls 6 gramms the sweet spot just because he doesnt respond to any less. And he looks like garbage.
Or Sev's "borat", 2000mg a week but less mass than an FHM magazine cover model.
Believe it or not, the biggest guys are not always the biggest users. If you think otherwise, seriously, look at esfitness. True adonis looks bigger than him.
Another factor is how long before joints, tendons and muscle nerves start going bad.
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7 years diff.
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/a/8/a8563_ORIG-sidetriphilheath2003201.jpg)
(http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac150/jamiller01/Phil%20Heath/SideChestPhilHeath2003-2010.jpg)
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3006/bdbphilheath20032010.jpg)
(http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4751/flsphilheath20032010.jpg)
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/f/a/fadb3_ORIG-abtphilheath20032010.jpg)
Huge difference. Looks to have put on at least 30lbs of solid muscle.
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I think this has to do with how you construct your cycles, try 1 gram of test with 750mg of tren and pop some anadrol tabs that should get you growing.
You have never touched steroids and most likely never touched a weight.
Shut the fuck up.
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No, i think it's a greatly overrated "point"
How much use people can get away with in the long run is less a difference than the great and poor response to gear can make.
If somebody gets a nice build on 500mg of anything a week plus maybe some HGH, they will not run into the same problems as a poor responder would.
You think this is impossible?
Look at Simple Simon, he uses almost trt dosages, and then look at esfitness the retard calls 6 gramms the sweet spot just because he doesnt respond to any less. And he looks like garbage.
Or Sev's "borat", 2000mg a week but less mass than an FHM magazine cover model.
Believe it or not, the biggest guys are not always the biggest users. If you think otherwise, seriously, look at esfitness. True adonis looks bigger than him.
Another factor is how long before joints, tendons and muscle nerves start going bad.
U would think it works this way at amatuer and pro levels but the guys who respond with less go with the attitude of "if I respond with less then I will get more out of it with increasing dosages"
That's modern competitive bbing. Everyone is using tons!! No gym rat dosages if u want to win and compete at a high level
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Looks better there than most bodybuilders do now.
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Looks better there than most bodybuilders do now.
He is sooo narrow it really ruins everything
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He is sooo narrow it really ruins everything
What's funny is that you can look at earlier pics of Ronnie, Flex, Shawn, Chris, Dorian, and see right off the bat that they were going to be top of their field. Just with Ronnie it took longer.
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What's funny is that you can look at earlier pics of Ronnie, Flex, Shawn, Chris, Dorian, and see right off the bat that they were going to be top of their field. Just with Ronnie it took longer.
Yes even RJ who decided to quit, dude was 5'7 but very wide for his frame in person, same with Melvin but guy wasted his potential
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Yes even RJ who decided to quit, dude was 5'7 but very wide for his frame in person, same with Melvin but guy wasted his potential
Yeah, I saw a pic of RJ in Flex at 180 pounds, I said to myself that he was going to go Pro.
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Also strength of kidneys/liver are a factor genetically.
;D
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Genetics and the right 'friends'...
will get you far