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There is no excuse not to squat but if you have a bad back or knees you get a pass, follow the trainer principles to blow up your quads.
On the leg press go all the way down and back up without locking out until you feel the burn then pause for 2 sec without locking out and crunch out an extra two reps. 20-25 reps dont go below 15 reps.
On the hack squats go all the way down and back up to slightly above parallel no lockout and feel the burn 15 to 20 reps.
Your quads should be fried like chicken.
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There is no excuse not to squat but if you have a bad back or knees you get a pass, follow the trainer principles to blow up your quads.
On the leg press go all the way down and back up without locking out until you feel the burn then pause for 2 sec without locking out and crunch out an extra two reps. 20-25 reps dont go below 15 reps.
On the hack squats go all the way down and back up to slightly above parallel no lockout and feel the burn 15 to 20 reps.
Your quads should be fried like chicken.
:)
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Or be a real man and ignore knee and back pain, scream like a maniac and get those squats done. The only people with a real excuse not to squat are those who are paralysed or have no legs.
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Or be a real man and ignore knee and back pain, scream like a maniac and get those squats done. The only people with a real excuse not to squat are those who are paralysed or have no legs.
I like how you think bro that is how I do it, but the average gymrat is not hardcore like us so that is why I made that routine.
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Or be a real man and ignore knee and back pain, scream like a maniac and get those squats done. The only people with a real excuse not to squat are those who are paralysed or have no legs.
Even paralysis is not really an excuse as tandem/assisted squats are always an option
(http://i60.tinypic.com/b8warr.jpg)
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yeah I do the one legged leg presses sometimes when my knee feels like shit
you can actually get a better mind-muscle connection using one leg at a time and it's nice to swich things up from the regular squats and legpresses
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yeah I do the one legged leg presses sometimes when my knee feels like shit
you can actually get a better mind-muscle connection using one leg at a time and it's nice to swich things up from the regular squats and legpresses
Yes I actually think working one leg at a time is better for specific "leg" development.
You can use a lot more weight with two legs (much more than 2x the weight of one leg) but I suspect most of that extra load is on low back / trunk / etc. not the leg muscles.
These are my philosophies.
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Yes I actually think working one leg at a time is better for specific "leg" development.
You can use a lot more weight with two legs (much more than 2x the weight of one leg) but I suspect most of that extra load is on low back / trunk / etc. not the leg muscles.
These are my philosophies.
exactly.
if I want to work the outer sweep then I will do one leg at a time. as said you can really focus better on the specific muscle area
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Vince was an advocate of the no squat leg workout for many a year..Leg press was his staple.
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRyjtmgDlq6z9XH4KAWcCUhzlCJzfvXomgMrG5ylU1pd7jyLV47dg)
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Vince was an advocate of the no squat leg workout for many a year..Leg press was his staple.
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRyjtmgDlq6z9XH4KAWcCUhzlCJzfvXomgMrG5ylU1pd7jyLV47dg)
You're correct, this was was Vince's approach and as it turns out quads and hams were his weakest bodyparts his entire pro bb career.
I'm of the opinion that if you're able to squat then squat.
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Or be a real man and ignore knee and back pain, scream like a maniac and get those squats done. The only people with a real excuse not to squat are those who are paralysed or have no legs.
Kamali Principles of peace.
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There is no excuse not to squat but if you have a bad back or knees you get a pass, follow the trainer principles to blow up your quads.
On the leg press go all the way down and back up without locking out until you feel the burn then pause for 2 sec without locking out and crunch out an extra two reps. 20-25 reps dont go below 15 reps.
On the hack squats go all the way down and back up to slightly above parallel no lockout and feel the burn 15 to 20 reps.
Your quads should be fried like chicken.
Hack squats are 10 times worse than squats for the knees :-\
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Even paralysis is not really an excuse as tandem/assisted squats are always an option
(http://i60.tinypic.com/b8warr.jpg)
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Could this guy's posts be any more boring and plain?
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Could this guy's posts be any more boring and plain?
Perhaps your limited intellect cannot comprehend satire?
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Perhaps your limited intellect cannot comprehend satire?
I said his post was boring. Not sure how you formulated your nonsensical response to that.
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Cycling (no homo) with strong added resistance builds upper legs almost as well imo...and the best part is that you can actually walk normally the next few days..unlike with squats...and it puts virtually no stress on you back or joints...also unlike squats
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maybe this??
(http://www.americanfitness.net/images/products/detail/PVLP156Xsm.jpg)
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Some people like to use the squat machine.
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Could this guy's posts be any more boring and plain?
Speaking of boring and plain Eric, how long are you going to keep up this tired old shtick?
You are clearly trying to punch above your weight and are incapable of getting me to stop posting so maybe a new tactic is needed.
Although since you were "educated" at a bible "school" I doubt you have the mental flexibility for much else.
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There is no excuse not to squat but if you have a bad back or knees you get a pass, follow the trainer principles to blow up your quads.
On the leg press go all the way down and back up without locking out until you feel the burn then pause for 2 sec without locking out and crunch out an extra two reps. 20-25 reps dont go below 15 reps.
On the hack squats go all the way down and back up to slightly above parallel no lockout and feel the burn 15 to 20 reps.
Your quads should be fried like chicken.
That's exactly what I do AFTER my squats
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Vince was an advocate of the no squat leg workout for many a year..Leg press was his staple.
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRyjtmgDlq6z9XH4KAWcCUhzlCJzfvXomgMrG5ylU1pd7jyLV47dg)
If bodybuilding shows were held in Venice, not Venice beach, Wolf would be Mr Olympia.
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Back in the days you couldn't
(http://broscience.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Quads-of-the-gods-Tom-Platz.jpg)
Nowadays you can build a physiqe like that on cable and machine movements
(http://gallery.rxmuscle.com/newgallery/JEB_9531_WAWWQJLPCQ.jpg)
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There is no need to squat and whether there's a need to leg press is debatable.
A good legworkout would be leg extension, lunges and leg curls.
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There is no need to squat and whether there's a need to leg press is debatable.
A good legworkout would be leg extension, lunges and leg curls.
exactly how these are built
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There is no excuse not to squat but if you have a bad back or knees you get a pass, follow the trainer principles to blow up your quads.
On the leg press go all the way down and back up without locking out until you feel the burn then pause for 2 sec without locking out and crunch out an extra two reps. 20-25 reps dont go below 15 reps.
On the hack squats go all the way down and back up to slightly above parallel no lockout and feel the burn 15 to 20 reps.
Your quads should be fried like chicken.
You trollin hard or hardly trollin, "the trainer"?
Dude, describe this leg press rom. Sounds like my ass would be leaving the seat compromising my trouble lumbar.
If my knees were problematic, would you still recommend the rom on hacks?
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Yes I actually think working one leg at a time is better for specific "leg" development.
You can use a lot more weight with two legs (much more than 2x the weight of one leg) but I suspect most of that extra load is on low back / trunk / etc. not the leg muscles.
These are my philosophies.
No, it just means that the dominant leg allows you to push a lot more and your neuromuscular coordination is used to you pushing with two legs. Plus stability counts, even on a leg press. A leg press with a bilateral plate is a weird thing to use until you get used to it.
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exactly how these are built
Referring small size, aren't you? According the study, squats increase testosterone levels as much as 200%, so your thighs would be bigger with squats ;D
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exactly how these are built
Well this picture proves that you need to squat.
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There is no excuse not to squat but if you have a bad back or knees you get a pass, follow the trainer principles to blow up your quads.
On the leg press go all the way down and back up without locking out until you feel the burn then pause for 2 sec without locking out and crunch out an extra two reps. 20-25 reps dont go below 15 reps.
On the hack squats go all the way down and back up to slightly above parallel no lockout and feel the burn 15 to 20 reps.
Your quads should be fried like chicken.
If you have a bad back, why would you do leg press?
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And going all the way down on the leg press probably does more harm than good
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If you have a bad back, why would you do leg press?
Keeping your back straight on the leg press pad and your back is protected, use only your legs to move the weight.
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Coach is right: I have a bad back and cannot legpress
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Of course you don't need squats for legs. Platz built these solely with leg extensions: ::)
(http://i.imgur.com/9kruIyf.gif)
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Coach is right: I have a bad back and cannot legpress
That is because you dont know how to do it properly, first use an heating ointment to relax the back muscles and dont go heavy do 30 reps, I have a client with a bad back and he leg presses every leg day.
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That is because you dont know how to do it properly, first use an heating ointment to relax the back muscles and dont go heavy do 30 reps, I have a client with a bad back and he leg presses every leg day.
huh?
Have you heard of lumbar flexion?
If you are prone to back issues then the repeated effort of high rep sets won't offset the risk by not going "heavy". Leg presses are not bad per se, although a guy like Stuart McGill would disagree, but any PT client outside of pure bodybuilding would usually be best advised to do unilateral non machine based work.
I do hope you are not really a trainer and just helping a friend.
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Speaking of boring and plain Eric, how long are you going to keep up this tired old shtick?
You are clearly trying to punch above your weight and are incapable of getting me to stop posting so maybe a new tactic is needed.
Although since you were "educated" at a bible "school" I doubt you have the mental flexibility for much else.
You're making a fool of yourself. Again.
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That is because you dont know how to do it properly, first use an heating ointment to relax the back muscles and dont go heavy do 30 reps, I have a client with a bad back and he leg presses every leg day.
Quit trolling.
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Quit trolling.
I don't think he is.
Just another useless trainer.
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huh?
Have you heard of lumbar flexion?
If you are prone to back issues then the repeated effort of high rep sets won't offset the risk by not going "heavy". Leg presses are not bad per se, although a guy like Stuart McGill would disagree, but any PT client outside of pure bodybuilding would usually be best advised to do unilateral non machine based work.
I do hope you are not really a trainer and just helping a friend.
His back would freeze up when he did squats and lunges and since doing legs press and hack squats with his back straight on the pad he has not had any problems with his back, maybe you dont know as much as you think you do.
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You're making a fool of yourself. Again.
How so?
You are the one following me around on an Internet forum like a scorned teenage girl (your intelligence level btw).
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"RawHeadFromBob" rolling out the heavy artillery with "neuromuscular coordination" and "lumbar flexion" haha he must have a masters degree watch out folks :o
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His back would freeze up when he did squats and lunges and since doing legs press and hack squats with his back straight on the pad he has not had any problems with his back, maybe you dont know as much as you think you do.
Why would his back freeze up? Rather than just working around it you should be trying to fix it whilst also giving him a proper workout.
Lets say it is the usual, glutes not firing / tight hip flexors / tight rec fem - do you think limited ROM leg presses (have to be very limited in a guy with a bad back who se hips stay tight down on the leg press pad) are a better long term option than a simple front foot elevated split squat?
For a regular PT client who wants fat loss, strength and mobility more than he really cares about overloading his quads for that extra half inch of leg muscle.
Just my two cents worth meant with no agenda or malice.
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"RawHeadFromBob" rolling out the heavy artillery with "neuromuscular coordination" and "lumbar flexion" haha he must have a masters degree what out folks :o
If those words seem grand to you then you should have worked harder at school so that you weren't left with the shit jobs for dummies. Remember, it's never too late to better yourself so don't despair.
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How so?
You are the one following me around on an Internet forum like a scorned teenage girl (your intelligence level btw).
X2. The biggest joke on this forum telling you you're making a fool of yourself? The same guy who's passing along messages from Uncle Joon, like sneaking notes to classmates in elementary school. Oh there's a joke around here alright.
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If those words seem grand to you then you should have worked harder at school so that you weren't left with the shit jobs for dummies. Remember, it's never too late to better yourself so don't despair.
Let me clue you in on a tip here before you cross anyone who actually cares: this is not a meathead forum. There are lots of posters who are professionals making their living training people, MDs, PhDs, experienced competitive bodybuilders and strength athletes, various other just really smart/articulate/etc. folks. It's nice that you took Intro to Biomechanics but rolling in here like you own the place will not go well for you.
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If those words seem grand to you then you should have worked harder at school so that you weren't left with the shit jobs for dummies. Remember, it's never too late to better yourself so don't despair.
They tend to shun science and reality in his religious community. Shaira law and all.
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Let me clue you in a tip here: this is not a meathead forum. There are lots of posters who are professionals making their living training people, MDs, PhDs, experienced competitive bodybuilders and strength athletes, various other just really smart/articulate/etc. folks. It's nice that you took Intro to Biomechanics but rolling in here like you own the place will not go well for you.
You assumed all this because I dared to write "lumbar flexion"?
If what I wrote was either incorrect or overly verbose then someone can come along and school me. I'll gladly listen.
As for my own background in the world of training, maybe I am an upstart who shouldn't even post in the G&O section of Getbig. I guess we will never know.
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You assumed all this because I dared to write "lumbar flexion"?
If what I wrote was either incorrect or overly verbose then someone can come along and school me. I'll gladly listen.
As for my own background in the world of training, maybe I am an upstart who shouldn't even post in the G&O section of Getbig. I guess we will never know.
Big words scare poor Suckathon. Dat westernization = teh evil.
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Big words scare poor Suckathon. Dat westernization = teh evil.
Shizzo where are you getting this "Hulkotron is a Mooslim" gimmick from? Are these the sort of things discussed on the TO board?
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Who cares youre just as retarded.
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Who cares youre just as retarded.
It just seems an odd tactic today. You seem emotionally invested though so I will drop it.
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It just seems an odd tactic today. You seem emotionally invested though so I will drop it.
i might have confused you with that other loser haider. Either way you suck.
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At the end of the day its an individual thing I also have clients with bad knees and back who still squat they just warm up properly use proper form and less weight. I am a personal trainer not a chiropractor so I experiment to find out what works best for each individual.
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Fuck pain. Just load the bar and squat it till your balls touch the ground.
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My body isn't really built for back squats, so I mostly do front squats and deadlifts in my leg routine.
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:P
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Fuck pain. Just load the bar and squat it till your balls touch the ground.
only sarcastoballs
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Some people like to use the squat machine.
I only get pist off when a guy says "I can't squat I have a bad back" and then I see him doing these with 6-7 plates aside.
"if your back was bad there is no way in hell it wouldn't hurt doing those. you just use the excuse of a bad back so you can inflate your ego with machines"
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:P
Corn. All the way corn.
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Great post SN
I only get pist off when a guy says "I can't squat I have a bad back" and then I see him doing these with 6-7 plates aside.
"if your back was bad there is no way in hell it wouldn't hurt doing those. you just use the excuse of a bad back so you can inflate your ego with machines"
Yes they tend to be the same guys who "blew out their knee playing football for the high school no-cut JV team" 20 years ago and "can't squat".
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WTF
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WTF
fucking sick man... ???
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My body isn't really built for back squats, so I mostly do front squats and deadlifts in my leg routine.
so your body is not build for crouching down and getting back up then you must look like this.
(http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users16/drewt30/default/midget-thong-03--large-msg-130987764346.jpg)
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Great post SN
Yes they tend to be the same guys who "blew out their knee playing football for the high school no-cut JV team" 20 years ago and "can't squat".
right but "back in high school before they hurt that knee" they were all world class powerlifters.
I've met 50 guys who had a 1800 lb total at 181 raw.
its tough to be an actual competitive powerlifter because you have to listen to all this shit ALL THE TIME
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Even paralysis is not really an excuse as tandem/assisted squats are always an option
(http://i60.tinypic.com/b8warr.jpg)
;D
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If you have bad knees and you are not a pussy then here is a good workout, first warm up your legs on the bicycle then start off with leg extensions 30 reps to get the quads ready, then you go the leg press for 20 to 25 reps, after your leg press sets then you squat for 15 to 20 reps and then finish up with lunges.
Only hardcore guys can do a workout like this the lazy gymrats would not be able to finish it.
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If you have bad knees and you are not a pussy then here is a good workout, first warm up your legs on the bicycle then start off with leg extensions 30 reps to get the quads ready, then you go the leg press for 20 to 25 reps, after your leg press sets then you squat for 15 to 20 reps and then finish up with lunges.
Only hardcore guys can do a workout like this the lazy gymrats would not be able to finish it.
Leg extensions with bad knees ... partial reps.
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Leg extensions with bad knees ... partial reps.
If you are going very light on the extensions it wont bother your knees.
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I don't think he is.
Just another useless trainer.
He is Asif, a legendary troll. With astounding wit that makes even the most mountainous of men wet themselves, myself included.