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The quiet of a hospital in the Philadelphia-area suburbs was broken yesterday when an armed mental patient killed a caseworker and got into a gunfight with his armed psychiatrist.
Authorities say the afternoon incident at Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital's wellness center might have been worse, if not for quick action on the part of the pistol-packing doctor and several of his unarmed colleagues:
Delaware County District Attorney Jack Whelan said a mentally troubled Richard Plotts walked into the Psychiatric Unit on the third floor of the building with his caseworker, 53-year-old Theresa Hunt of Philadelphia.
Plotts and Hunt went into Dr. Lee Silverman's office, and an argument erupted.
Hunt shut the door and called police. Seconds later there was gunfire. When it was over, Hunt was dead and Plotts and Silverman wounded.
Investigators believe Plotts shot Silverman in the head, inflicting a graze wound.
They believe the doctor then pulled out his own gun, firing several times. Plotts was critically injured, hit twice in the torso and once in the arm.
After the shooting, another doctor and caseworker reportedly burst into the office to find "Silverman holding his bloody face and Plotts still holding his weapon." They proceeded to wrestle Plotts down and take his weapon. He is currently in critical condition; Dr. Silverman was treated and released.
If he pulls through, Plotts will be charged with first degree murder for Hunt's death, authorities say. Silverman faces no charges and was praised for his action in the shootout, in which one of Plotts' bullets narrowly missed him. It was unclear how long Silverman had been armed at work or whether he'd begun carrying as a result of his experience with Potts, though the district attorney said he "did receive information that there were incidents involving Mr. Plotts and hospital personnel including the doctor's staff in the past."
Also unclear was why Plotts had the means to fatally shoot his caseworker in the first place. Upper Darby Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood told a local paper that Plotts had been committed for psychiatric evaluation in that town "on at least three occasions" and had been banned from at least one facility for his aggression.
"He's got a long history of guns and mental illness," Chitwood said.
http://gawker.com/doctor-patient-exchange-gunfire-in-deadly-penn-hospit-1610790918
bet the national news doesn't hype this story like all the other mass shootings...
unfortunately the Dr will probably get in trouble for being armed at work even though it prevented a mass tragedy
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This unfortunate event proves something that every anti gun individual will never realize until they are in a life or death situation. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, this story proves that the good guys don't all have to be government employees because when seconds count the police are only minutes away.
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http://gawker.com/doctor-patient-exchange-gunfire-in-deadly-penn-hospit-1610790918
bet the national news doesn't hype this story like all the other mass shootings...
unfortunately the Dr will probably get in trouble for being armed at work even though it prevented a mass tragedy
The national news covered this story as aggressively as they do other stories. I saw this on several sites like AOL and Yahoo. There are shootings every single day around the country that do not get any coverage. The media covers the really awful ones like the kindergarten kids in Connecticut because they're tragic and newsworthy, but it doesn't mean the media has an anti-gun agenda. That's just NRA propaganda that has been repeated so many times that some people think it's true. But it isn't.
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This unfortunate event proves something that every anti gun individual will never realize until they are in a life or death situation. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, this story proves that the good guys don't all have to be government employees because when seconds count the police are only minutes away.
If more guns meant more safety America would already be the safest country in the world. And we are not. We have far far far more gun violence and senseless killings than any other country. And yet people -- amazingly -- think that arming more citizens is the answer. Just so sad that people are that naive.
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If more guns meant more safety America would already be the safest country in the world. And we are not. We have far far far more gun violence and senseless killings than any other country. And yet people -- amazingly -- think that arming more citizens is the answer. Just so sad that people are that naive.
More guns do not equal more safety, however more responsible gun ownership does.
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I'd argue about gun control etc but it will never happen in the States. You can't undo 240 years of indoctrination that you need a gun, nor can you suddenly remove the 300 million guns in circulation. Not to mention the money involved. I just find it strange you would allow a doctor in a psychiatric hospital to carry a gun.
I often see here that guns will protect you against the government blah blah blah. I remember seeing pics from when that guy in Texas I think it was killed 7 of his family - hte vehicles the police used were clearly military vehicles that no civilian gun would endanger.
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http://gawker.com/doctor-patient-exchange-gunfire-in-deadly-penn-hospit-1610790918
bet the national news doesn't hype this story like all the other mass shootings...
unfortunately the Dr will probably get in trouble for being armed at work even though it prevented a mass tragedy
I dont't want a fucking doctor acting as a cop, firearms and that shit should be left to professionals, ie security. If you think giving civilians guns to use at the workplace is smart you're stupid.
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If more guns meant more safety America would already be the safest country in the world. And we are not. We have far far far more gun violence and senseless killings than any other country. And yet people -- amazingly -- think that arming more citizens is the answer. Just so sad that people are that naive.
bullshits, in europe there is more violence commited with lighter weapons in the hands of immigrants. People and their mindsets are the problems, not weapons. You dont know what you re talking about, providing only old cliches.
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bullshits, in europe there is more violence commited with lighter weapons in the hands of immigrants. People and their mindsets are the problems, not weapons. You dont know what you re talking about, providing only old cliches.
How come murder rate in usa is multiples of what it is here? More than 5 times higher from guns alone than toal homicides by all means here? Also, Europe is a nebulous term, EU alone has 27 member countries.
per capita of course
I acknowledged earlier though you can't change a culture especially one so indoctrinated.
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In europe police dont report most of crimes. Mostly gratuitous beatdowns, rapes and roberies.
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Compare the overall crime rate in Europe where there's no guns
Burglary, assault, robbery, etcetera.
Guarantee it's lower in USA. BOOM!
Sorry for making sense.
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I dont't want a fucking doctor acting as a cop, firearms and that shit should be left to professionals, ie security. If you think giving civilians guns to use at the workplace is smart you're stupid.
Would you have preferred that the "doctor" in this particular situation been unarmed?
What do you suspect the consequences would have been in that instance?
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Would you have preferred that the "doctor" in this particular situation been unarmed?
What do you suspect the consequences would have been in that instance?
why are you quoting doctor?
Would I have preferred? it's not my preference for doctors to be armed no. it is not my preference for doctors to use discretion of force in these situations, most of which no doctor will ever see. This is a blight, a rare occurrence, in this situation it was ideal.
I wouldn't be mad at the doctor but this is just another fucking issue is more guns right? if everyone had a gun this stuff wouldn't happen right? I bet you accidents with handguns are more common then mass murders, if so, how can you logically conclude that more untrained professionals handling guns would reduce overall death?
security is needed, not the wild west.
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if u think you need a gun because its dangerous out there, then there's the problem.
crime will always be, and guns will always be had.
just because you have a gun, so you can shoot it out or point it back at someone else doesnt mean you are safe.
its a non debate... countries with tough gun laws are safer. are they victimless?, no.. are there no guns?, of course not.
is there less crime?- yes. are there less deaths?, absolutely. are there less mass killings?, yep.
make it not so easy to get a deadly weapon and you reduce those with them...its not rocket science.
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The national news covered this story as aggressively as they do other stories. I saw this on several sites like AOL and Yahoo. There are shootings every single day around the country that do not get any coverage. The media covers the really awful ones like the kindergarten kids in Connecticut because they're tragic and newsworthy, but it doesn't mean the media has an anti-gun agenda. That's just NRA propaganda that has been repeated so many times that some people think it's true. But it isn't.
With all due respect, you are out of your fucking mind.
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Compare the overall crime rate in Europe where there's no guns
Burglary, assault, robbery, etcetera.
Guarantee it's lower in USA. BOOM!
Sorry for making sense.
Once again, Europe is not a country. Western Europe and Northern Europe are richer than Eastern Europe and Southern Europe. Each of these regions has different countries with different rules.
Secondly, murder rate, robberies etc are far lower in Ireland than in USA. Google it, try to find any stat to fit your agenda, you won't.
BOOM ::) ::)
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just because you have a gun, so you can shoot it out or point it back at someone else doesnt mean you are safe.
But, it does give you "a" chance that you would not otherwise have - not a guarantee, but a chance.
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Would I have preferred? it's not my preference for doctors to be armed no. it is not my preference for doctors to use discretion of force in these situations, most of which no doctor will ever see. This is a blight, a rare occurrence, in this situation it was ideal.
So, you concede that this particular situation was ideal, but I'm still uncertain if you would have preferred the doctor not been armed.
I'm not seeking a blanket statement/response, but unfortunately, that is all we tend to get from both hardcore gun-nutters and anti-gun libs. You can only examine these kinds of situations on an individual basis. There is no ONE universal answer.
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It's all theoretical until someone sticks a gun in the face of someone you love.
It reminds me of one of my favorite quotes. "A Democrat is a Republican who hasn't been mugged yet"
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So, you concede that this particular situation was ideal, but I'm still uncertain if you would have preferred the doctor not been armed.
I'm not seeking a blanket statement/response, but unfortunately, that is all we tend to get from both hardcore gun-nutters and anti-gun libs. You can only examine these kinds of situations on an individual basis. There is no ONE universal answer.
I would agree there is no universal answer, however, there isn't one for anything, thus logical due dilligence to prevent MOST issues is the best approximation. Chaos is out there,is out there. It can't be bargained with! It can't be reasoned with! It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!
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Once again, Europe is not a country. Western Europe and Northern Europe are richer than Eastern Europe and Southern Europe. Each of these regions has different countries with different rules.
Secondly, murder rate, robberies etc are far lower in Ireland than in USA. Google it, try to find any stat to fit your agenda, you won't.
BOOM ::) ::)
Europe isn't a country? Omg! Since when?
Hahahah you're delusional to think that EUROPEAN crime rates are lower than USA. In reference to robbery, burglary, assault, etc. Also to the anti gun libtards...it's not about the Wild West or being a badass. I like guns and shooting because it's fun, a hobby, and I hunt.
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I dont't want a fucking doctor acting as a cop, firearms and that shit should be left to professionals, ie security. If you think giving civilians guns to use at the workplace is smart you're stupid.
LOL @ thinking cops are professesionals with guns.
Dude. Great majority of cops shoot once a year to qualify with their duty weapon. I know 6 cops as acquaintances and friends. They don't shoot recreationally.
On the other hand, myself included, I shoot every 2-3 weeks at a range with a few dozen people 150-200 rounds each time. Who's more proficient with a weapon?
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Europe isn't a country? Omg! Since when?
Hahahah you're delusional to think that EUROPEAN crime rates are lower than USA. In reference to robbery, burglary, assault, etc. Also to the anti gun libtards...it's not about the Wild West or being a badass. I like guns and shooting because it's fun, a hobby, and I hunt.
ok post stats saying us has lower crime than ireland.
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LOL @ thinking cops are professesionals with guns.
Dude. Great majority of cops shoot once a year to qualify with their duty weapon. I know 6 cops as acquaintances and friends. They don't shoot recreationally.
On the other hand, myself included, I shoot every 2-3 weeks at a range with a few dozen people 150-200 rounds each time. Who's more proficient with a weapon?
They are required to regulalry train with firearms. Europe is a continent by the way. Like Africa or North America which includes other countries.
How many people do what you do? less then 1% I would say. Still doesn't make a sane argument. A doctor is in a position of stress already, surgeons etc. " Doc theres a scramble outside, grab your glock", "be a hero". If a stray bullet killed a sick child we wouldn't be having this conversation. The idea that if everyone is armed shit like this wouldn't happen is also absurd. The exact opposite is in fact true.
I can understand hunting rifles, or using them at the range for fun, but carrying one around? shooting another human with it? I am sure this guy is messed up from this situation, killing someone, namely someone who maybe has lost control of their actions must be tough. The guy was sick obviously, carrying a gun and executing patients is the second line of the hippocratic oath.
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bullshits, in europe there is more violence commited with lighter weapons in the hands of immigrants. People and their mindsets are the problems, not weapons. You dont know what you re talking about, providing only old cliches.
Brother, if you think European nations have more problems with violence than the United States you're smoking fucking crack. I agree that violence exists everywhere, but when you give everyone a gun it escalates that violence to the point of people being killed. I do know what I'm talking about. Read the fucking newspapers man, it happens here every single day. We average MORE than one school shooting a week in America right now. That's fucking horrible.
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It's all theoretical until someone sticks a gun in the face of someone you love.
It reminds me of one of my favorite quotes. "A Democrat is a Republican who hasn't been mugged yet"
Utter crap. I have worked in the housing projects in New Orleans as well as doing social work in the worst part of San Francisco. I've lived in very violent neighborhoods and I've never carried a gun, nor do I want one. I have had people threaten me plenty of times. I'm just not so scared of it all that I'm going to change my life and start carrying a gun around with me everytime I do to a movie or go to get a cup of coffee at dunkin donuts. When that happens, you've lost.
Remember what Rambo said...."I've always thought the best weapon was the mind". Have we learned nothing from Rambo????
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Utter crap. I have worked in the housing projects in New Orleans as well as doing social work in the worst part of San Francisco. I've lived in very violent neighborhoods and I've never carried a gun, nor do I want one. I have had people threaten me plenty of times. I'm just not so scared of it all that I'm going to change my life and start carrying a gun around with me everytime I do to a movie or go to get a cup of coffee at dunkin donuts. When that happens, you've lost.
Remember what Rambo said...."I've always thought the best weapon was the mind". Have we learned nothing from Rambo????
no, if everyone had a gun no one would shoot anyone. Obviously a suicidal maniac is going to think twice about shooting people if they have guns right? I mean he is logical and rational in that moment. I am sure more guns would have detered him.
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I've always wanted to shoot someone. I don't think I'm alone in that. Killing is a perfectly natural human drive. You probably come from a long line of murdering bastards.
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I've always wanted to shoot someone. I don't think I'm alone in that. Killing is a perfectly natural human drive. You probably come from a long line of murdering bastards.
you might be a sociopath.
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Nah, I think it's ok to be honest about stuff. Everyone has feelings that range from the pink & fuzzy to the bloodsoaked. Not saying we should act on them but the unnatural thing is to believe you're supposed to think and feel only within bookends. I don't accept that. It leads a lot of people to become convinced there's something wrong about themselves when there isn't. Good for the pharmaceutical business but not so good for the actual mental health thing imo.
So yeah, that and more depending on what criteria of diagnoses are applied. We all are. If I'm being honest tho, most of these maladies seem to have at their core someone operating out of a self interested agenda without the counterbalance of empathy. I don't really have an agenda. I quite enjoy not wanting anything from people. I enjoy even more people who don't want anything from me. Feels like freedom. Well, except for business relationships where I'm as mercenary as they come. Otherwise I got empathy out the ass. Unless I'm angry, but that's ok. That's what angry means. Your empathy goes and you want to conk the other guy on the head. It's a good thing we have that.
Accepting one's self is one of the great benefits of being hopelessly self absorbed. The basic problem with people today is that they aren't more like I am.
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I've always wanted to shoot someone. I don't think I'm alone in that. Killing is a perfectly natural human drive. You probably come from a long line of murdering bastards.
Odd, I watched Hostel last night ;D
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Never saw. Horror movies don't really do it for me.
What I meant is that I've always wanted to kill a Getbigger. Not one of the good ones tho. One of the bad ones.
Yes, that is correct. I decide.
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Nah, I think it's ok to be honest about stuff. Everyone has feelings that range from the pink & fuzzy to the bloodsoaked. Not saying we should act on them but the unnatural thing is to believe you're supposed to think and feel only within bookends. I don't accept that. It leads a lot of people to become convinced there's something wrong about themselves when there isn't. Good for the pharmaceutical business but not so good for the actual mental health thing imo.
So yeah, that and more depending on what criteria of diagnoses are applied. We all are. If I'm being honest tho, most of these maladies seem to have at their core someone operating out of a self interested agenda without the counterbalance of empathy. I don't really have an agenda. I quite enjoy not wanting anything from people. I enjoy even more people who don't want anything from me. Feels like freedom. Well, except for business relationships where I'm as mercenary as they come. Otherwise I got empathy out the ass. Unless I'm angry, but that's ok. That's what angry means. Your empathy goes and you want to conk the other guy on the head. It's a good thing we have that.
Accepting one's self is one of the great benefits of being hopelessly self absorbed. The basic problem with people today is that they aren't more like I am.
never mind psychopath
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;D
In all seriosuness, I appreciate your advice many moons ago. I think not taking drugs was the right course. The people I know who are on them have really suffered. It's a cart/horse thing of course but they're in a bad way all the time. Hard to imagine a worse result without the pharma.
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Congrats to the doctor.
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In all seriosuness, I appreciate your advice many moons ago. I think not taking drugs was the right course. The people I know who are on them have really suffered. It's a cart/horse thing of course but they're in a bad way all the time. Hard to imagine a worse result without the pharma.
:D
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I often see here that guns will protect you against the government blah blah blah. I remember seeing pics from when that guy in Texas I think it was killed 7 of his family - hte vehicles the police used were clearly military vehicles that no civilian gun would endanger.
Lol yes, that's the best, pretending that a rifle will provide oneself with the ability to stand up to the US government. Nevermind the fact that they'll just shoot a missile from a remote-operated drone
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http://gawker.com/doctor-patient-exchange-gunfire-in-deadly-penn-hospit-1610790918
bet the national news doesn't hype this story like all the other mass shootings...
unfortunately the Dr will probably get in trouble for being armed at work even though it prevented a mass tragedy
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