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What's your thoughts on this? are young bbers lets say 19-24years old pushing themselves to hard now, by using high amounts of steroids & GH?
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these guys look good but there have been many many tennagers a lot bigger.. Brian Buchanan, Bertil Fox, Arnold, Ferrigno etc etc
At that age you really don't need much juice. I grew like crazy as a teenager with very very little.
Alex
www.alexardenti.com
hate to burst your bubble.. but that guy is bigger at 22 then you are now (in that pic). its funny to see older guys get jealous when younger guys with genetics get big
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dude... that's me now at 42.
I was talking about when I was competeing as a teenager in Europe. There were some huge guys especially from the U.K. and Germany.
I'm lucky just to keep what I have now and it suits me fine.
Peace bro
Alex
www.alexardenti.com
ok sorry... post pics of u at age 22 so we can compare u to this guy. since its so easy as u implied it.
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ok sorry... post pics of u at age 22 so we can compare u to this guy. since its so easy as u implied it.
riiiiiight. U might not get the point of this post.
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There is no way in hell that you could get as big as that 22yr old kid without the heavy use of steroids. The human body is not made to get that big, especially not at its peak. And 22 is not your body's peak. It might be that kid's cause he's prob been on "gear" since he was 18. And yeah there have been younger people bigger, but steroids have been around for a long time. knuckle heads
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To get that big yes but with that conditioning you are taking a shitload and thats the reason you dont see them photographed in magazines because they burn out literally Phisically(shit i know because i mega dose 3 to 6 months a year)and my doctor has been given many grey hairs on my drug regiem and that does not include diuretics,so if you support huge teenage bodybuilders fuck wish them a good after life.
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you are wrong man.
you can definitely get that big without killing yourself with juice.
you're the knucklehead.
www.alexardenti.com
HAHAHAHHAHA
A 22 yr old that big in that condition. O man thats a good one unless u are an absolute mutant that size and condition at 22 without some serious juice is 1 in a million
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I never said I was bigger and I never said it was "easy". I said Buchanan, Fox, Arnold and Lou were bigger and they were. That's all.
And if you knew anything about bodybuilding you would concurr.
The guy who posted asked if we thought that it is unhealthy to be that big at that age and I'm telling him it's not.
Alex
www.alexardenti.com
i dont know who this kid is, but if u are comparing him to arnold, fox and lou..... that must mean this kids got some good genes, right?
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I talked a bit to this guy at a show here in Sweden. He was really nice and said that he hadnt trained his legs for the past year :o to get his upperbody up to par. He looks amazing especially for his age but hes really short so i think just like Lee he looks really good standing by him self but next to a taller guy its another story.
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You cocksuckers make me laugh by trying to pick an argument with a knowledgeable guy like Alex and putting words in his mouth just for the sake of it. What he says is absolutely correct, guys will grow quickly and easily at those ages with relatively small amounts of gear - especially guys like those in the pics who clearly have pretty good genes too.
I doubt many of these young bucks will be doing any appreciable damage to themselves.
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I have to agree with Mobil, Show me competion photos or even photos in general of teenage bodybuilders or young 20s with the size of Arnold or other bodybuilders mentioned by Ardenti who have awesome conditioning.
Shit i have the size of some pros but not the genetics to become a Pro so show me one young bodybuilder with the size of Troy Alves who is only 226 pounds at 5,10 that conditioned and i will declare myself an idiot.
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Interesting that you delete your previous post Mobil. Most guys will grow better naturally at a young age - fairly obvious I think. Therefore with a little gear it stands to reason that excellent gains can be made. Those gains will be all the more when you throw in some good genes like those guys photographed. Either way, gains will be relatively good for most at that age and in those circumstances, compared to what can be achieved with a similar protocol later in life.
Iv'e seen plently of guys in their early 20s who have gotten pretty big with a pretty lax approach to training and diet and using whatever gear the local dealer tells them to take. It is certainly a lot easier at a younger age. I would love to see more guys going pro young, guys like Gaspari, Arnold, Haney, Shane Dimora, Casey Viator, Shawn Ray et al. Now we have a bunch of old codgers with battered physiques
requiring 3 grams a week and 30iu a day just to remain competitive.
It is a shame we don't seem to have these young guys coming through at the highest level now. Partly I think because bodybuilding is less popular than it was 20 years ago.
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I agree totally with your post,I am not denying outright size just conditioning. ;D
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The answer is NO irrespective of age.
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The answer is NO irrespective of age.
If he dies... he dies. :(
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Casey Viator was bigger than him at 19.
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That Guy is Like 5'0 tall!! Not much bone structure to fill up. I know few younger guys who are short who compete, young guys with taking so much juice igf, growth etc.... And dont win shit compare to taller guys with muscle maturity. But he does look impressive. I think every individual needs to be realistic and let nature play its role on how ure muscles mature with time.
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lil off topic here but Alex you look great esp for being 42
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Who cares about health when your big
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ok, "alex ardenti", hahahaha, oh brother.
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Flex Lewis is great bodybuilder will hear a lot of him in the future. And yes it has also to do with his genetics and his height...he aint tall.
(http://www.cnpltd.com/modules/userpages/images/userfiles/2059FlexPikOD_184.jpg)
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Interview http://www.cnpltd.com/modules/userpages/detail.php?id=33
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well all the best to flex, him being a fellow brit and all! it wud be nice to hav another BB that could do something in the sport like dorian did (lets face it as gud as ernie taylor was compared to other brits he never had wat it took to be number 1)
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two words: Derek Anthony. at his current age (20) DA is 3x as big and has half this clown's bodyfat. his hair is also much thicker and has a lots of body with a naturally flowing texture. case closed.
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Casey Viator was bigger than him at 19.
casey viator was never bigger than him.
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Reading his intervew, I give him much credit with the knolowge he has at only 22. That being said, I hope he is smart enough to keep his usage down to a minimun. At his age the old diminshed returns will kick in and he'll peek in his 20's and burn out before 40. Like the man himself said, time is on his side. Use it wisley.
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casey viator was never bigger than him.
His upperbody was a lot bigger. The ONLY thing this guy has is legs.
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Hell, i don't know if it is healty or not but I am 18 right now and if I only wish I could be like that at 22 :o
And I am 5"11 so no chance in hell
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Dude is huge and has pro level legs. However, Lee Priest is probably a giant compared to him... ;D. Seriously, though, guys who juice as much a Flex...and don't kid yourself he juices his gills off....will not go as far as a dude who may be smaller but is building a good foundation. Look at Ronnie...hell at 25 he was small relatively speaking to this cat. However, he built a solid foundation and then when he went hardcore with the gear he became the largest man alive. Look at Dorian...he didn't juice like this dude and was tight at 21. By the time he was in his thirties...he was thickest and sickest individual to ever walk the Earth till some mutant named Coleman blew up like a H bomb. I predict that Phil Heath will eat this guys lunch and shit on him in five years.
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two words: Derek Anthony. at his current age (20) DA is 3x as big and has half this clown's bodyfat. his hair is also much thicker and has a lots of body with a naturally flowing texture. case closed.
Nobody has better hair than derek anthony!!!
Piece to you all!!!! ;)
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Permanatly limp by 28 but hey, those plastic trophies will be worth the wet noodle.
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Alex. You are delusional. I love how you say, I got big Using very little. hahahahah.
What is little to you? You have no idea what it was like training naturally as a teenager so you have no authority using your personal experience on the subject.
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I trained from 13 to 18 naturally so I DO know what it means to do it naturally.
At 18 I started taking 3-5 Winstrols a day for 8 weeks before a show and my body was transformed! All the jelous haters (like you) in my gym all around the country were gossiping how I must be on some of the highest doses ever. The year after I was taking 25 mg a week of Deca Durabolin and I saw a difference between night and day. I thought that was a huge amount because that was the monthly dose prescribed at the time. I didn't care, I just wanted to win. So to answer you: I really couldn't care less if you beleive me or not like I didn't care less about the haters at the time. I did what I wanted to do and the 22 year olds should do the same instead of listening to people like you.
www.alexardenti.com
Oh thats nice, you are advocating drug use for the "22 year olds who should do the same instead."
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What's your thoughts on this? are young bbers lets say 19-24years old pushing themselves to hard now, by using high amounts of steroids & GH?
Of couse it's unhealthy. Are you retarded ???
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dude is huge and has pro level legs. However, Lee Priest is probably a giant compared to him... ;D. Seriously, though, guys who juice as much a Flex...and don't kid yourself he juices his gills off....will not go as far as a dude who may be smaller but is building a good foundation. Look at Ronnie...hell at 25 he was small relatively speaking to this cat. However, he built a solid foundation and then when he went hardcore with the gear he became the largest man alive. Look at Dorian...he didn't juice like this dude and was tight at 21. By the time he was in his thirties...he was thickest and sickest individual to ever walk the Earth till some mutant named Coleman blew up like a H bomb. I predict that Phil Heath will eat this guys lunch and shit on him in five years.
You just contradicted yourself! You talk about building foundation and such, then you state Phil Heath eating Flex's lunch. Do you realize that Phil blew up pretty quick and turned pro at 25??? Don't you think he'll probably burn out too??? I bet he too juices to the gills? What about Shawn Ray, he was a pro at the age of 22 and went on to compete in 13 olympias. Only time will tell how far Flex Lewis will go, hes got the genetics and certainly the right work ethics. We'll see!
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casey viator was never bigger than him.
Viator was bigger than just about anyone at 19. Amazing how poor some of you guys are on your history. Viator was one of the most naturally gifted guys for putting on size there was. A real mesomorph. The only guy Mike Quinn said he was ever afraid of after seeing Casey perform wrist curls with 315 like it was a warm-up. Lol, fvcking beast.
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You are too obtuse and ignorant for me to answer to that.
alex, how old were you when you first started using test?
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haha, I like this guy ;D
i bet you would, loser.
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Alex,
I commend you for putting yourself out and trying to tell your story, but there is no need to. those of us whom really love bodybuilding know your achivements and talent. Most of comments towards you tend to be negative, stupied and just plain ridiculous. Much respect...
The topic started off if it is healthy for a 22 year old to be big? then turned towards steriod use. Well to answer your question yes/no depending on how much you use and how much you know and yoru diet also plays a role, roids isn't a miracle worker. I personally use it and I am very knowledgeable and I regularly get blood work done.
Peace
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omg, you're so homophobic you can't even say you like another guy. Nothing sexual about my comments.
lol
IM NOT HOMOPHOBIC, BY SAYING YOU LIKE THAT GUY WHO WAS TRYING TO DISS ALEX ARDENTI YOU WERE THEREFORE DISSING ALEX, AND I DONT APPRECIATE THAT.
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is little flex lewis a natty?
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What's your thoughts on this? are young bbers lets say 19-24years old pushing themselves to hard now, by using high amounts of steroids & GH?
Tell me those guys are 6'4" and I'll be impressed. In all actuality, give me any dude under 5'7" with a mesomorphic phenotype, let him eat everything in sight, workout hard, take just a small amount of gear, and he'll look just like that.
It's called being short and stocky. I've yet to see many tall bodybuilders look that good even using shitloads of gear. Ferrigno, Arnie, etc all had shitty skinny legs.
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LOL yeah, this coming from a doormat who needed/needs Winstrol and Deca to feel like a man. ;) But then again, what would you expect from a gay photog? Any mutt who fritters away his dollars on garbage like that shouldn't be permitted to be left alive. Haha, and you're not even a pro; talk about being a giant ASS. ;D
LEARN SOME RESPECT PUNK.
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Flex is a great guy, very humble and eager to learn. He has had an article in Flex magazine already, shot in Milos' gym, and hes not even a pro. He won the British Jrs title at 20 ans could have easily taken the whole show if he had entered the seniors. He was that good and his potential is phenomenal. If he realises it, then he will be the most successful European since dorian IMO
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Flex is a great guy, very humble and eager to learn. He has had an article in Flex magazine already, shot in Milos' gym, and hes not even a pro. He won the British Jrs title at 20 ans could have easily taken the whole show if he had entered the seniors. He was that good and his potential is phenomenal. If he realises it, then he will be the most successful European since dorian IMO
This Lewis character is very good but it does not say much about the standard of British bodybuilding if he is good enough to win the overall at this stage. The standard is woeful compared to the late 80s and early 90s. None of these guys should be awarded pro cards. I agree that Lewis is good though and should be able to compete fairly successfully as a pro in a few years.
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the UK BBing scene is at an all time low - much like HW boxing. When you see piss pots like Simon Cohen getting a pro card it makes you wonder what the fuck for. Zac Kahn is my pick for the future, if only he brought up his legs slightly and worked on condition. Another 10lbs and hed be great. Stuart Core is fukkin massive and has alot of potential and hes very young also with 23" arms!
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the UK BBing scene is at an all time low - much like HW boxing. When you see piss pots like Simon Cohen getting a pro card it makes you wonder what the f**k for. Zac Kahn is my pick for the future, if only he brought up his legs slightly and worked on condition. Another 10lbs and hed be great. Stuart Core is fukkin massive and has alot of potential and hes very young also with 23" arms!
Zak would have made an impact by now if he was going to. He looked better 3-4 years ago. He never manages to get in pristine condition and that will only become more of a problem as he gets older plus I don't think his shape is quite good enough to be a good pro. Flex is certainly the best prospect, whether he can get the necessary size to be competitive remains to be seen.
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i agree with the Flex comments, but theres still a couple of years left for Zack to make the desired impact. All he needs to do is train under an established guru, listen to the advice and go for it - thats if he wants to though. His arms and traps are incredible
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Yup the athelete makes the choice.
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This kid looks like Derek Farnsworth with Calves...And Farnsworth is a pro...
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What's your thoughts on this? are young bbers lets say 19-24years old pushing themselves to hard now, by using high amounts of steroids & GH?
huge calves
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i don't think flex is too big, he's awfully short which is a bit deceiving. Don't get me wrong he's big and looks good but he's not dangerously "big"
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its not "healthy" for ANYONE to be that big. The only diff with Flex or Trey Brewer is they are going to be dependent on these "supplements" LONG AFTER their bb career is over.... sad to see really