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Beginning his speech, Santorum said he planned to "do something different" by focusing his speech less on attacking Obama and more on laying out a positive agenda that is necessary if the Republican Party wants to broaden its base.
Ladies and gentleman, what you have right here is a candidate who has the respect of the base + won't make a huge stack of negative, venemous statements which turn off moderate/swing voters..
The "attack obama for everything possible" style of Mccain, Palin, Romney and Paul Ryan was NOT successful in winning over moderates. I've been saying for a long time - the way repubs win over moderates isn't by running a pissy moderate, but by running a POSITIVE candidate. One who doesn't spend 24/7 talking about "obama sucks" but rather, talks about what he would do DIFFERENT". We've all heard "Repeal obamacare" about a million times, but "Replace obamacare with XYZ" was much rarer. And XYZ was usually something vague and ten years down the road.
Santorum could be on to something here. The one person onstage that says "Hey, maybe we don't have a 90 minute obama sucks circle-jerk during this debate... maybe we talk about what we SHOULD be doing instead?" A welcome alternative, unless you were happy with the win percentages of mccain and romney...
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Ladies and gentlemen, what you have is a candidate who will not make it out of the Republican primary (again), who is probably being quoted out of context, and even if he isn't, is providing a roadmap for defeat.
As anyone who follows politics knows (and isn't a dummy), negative campaigning works. We saw a very clear example of that in 2012, where Romney, who was head and shoulders more qualified than Obama, was excoriated using Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. And it worked. It always does.
But Obamabots are a sensitive lot, so I can see why they are having trouble with people repeatedly highlighting the failure of the Obama Administration.
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Ladies and gentlemen, what you have is a candidate who will not make it out of the Republican primary (again), who is probably being quoted out of context, and even if he isn't, is providing a roadmap for defeat.
As anyone who follows politics knows (and isn't a dummy), negative campaigning works. We saw a very clear example of that in 2012, where Romney, who was head and shoulders more qualified than Obama, was excoriated using Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. And it worked. It always does.
But Obamabots are a sensitive lot, so I can see why they are having trouble with people repeatedly highlighting the failure of the Obama Administration.
Your way was tried in 2008 and 2012. Obama won both elections comfortably.
When you say "negative campaigning works", I have to ask how well it worked for mccain and romney. And even in 2000 and 2004, the use of negative campaigning, well, took bush to very very narrow wins.
Obama was completely full of shit, BUT he did act way more positive than his opponents. People will totally walk away from a candidate they think is cold, nasty, venomous. It's not attractive.
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Your way was tried in 2008 and 2012. Obama won both elections comfortably.
When you say "negative campaigning works", I have to ask how well it worked for mccain and romney. And even in 2000 and 2004, the use of negative campaigning, well, took bush to very very narrow wins.
Obama was completely full of shit, BUT he did act way more positive than his opponents. People will totally walk away from a candidate they think is cold, nasty, venomous. It's not attractive.
Only a fool or one wasn't paying attention (or both) would say negative campaigning didn't work for Obama in 2008 and 2012. It most certainly did.
Romney didn't demonize Obama and did not use Alinsky's Rules. Not sure it would have changed the outcome, but it might have made it closer. All you have to do is go look at the debate performances. When both parties stuck to the issues, Romney cleaned his clock. When Obama was panned for his performance and went on the offensive, repeatedly using sarcasm and personal insults, a lot of people thought Obama won, despite the fact he was wrong almost across the board.
Obama and his minions accused Romney of being a tax cheat, hiding assets in offshore accounts, and all but accused him being responsible for a woman's death who didn't have health insurance. Those tactics worked.
You have a lot to learn about political campaigns. But stick around here. I'm sure some of the folks who post here can help you learn something. :)
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Only a fool or one wasn't paying attention (or both) would say negative campaigning didn't work for Obama in 2008 and 2012. It most certainly did.
Romney didn't demonize Obama and did not use Alinsky's Rules. Not sure it would have changed the outcome, but it might have made it closer. All you have to do is go look at the debate performances. When both parties stuck to the issues, Romney cleaned his clock. When Obama was panned for his performance and went on the offensive, repeatedly using sarcasm and personal insults, a lot of people thought Obama won, despite the fact he was wrong almost across the board.
Obama and his minions accused Romney of being a tax cheat, hiding assets in offshore accounts, and all but accused him being responsible for a woman's death who didn't have health insurance. Those tactics worked.
You have a lot to learn about political campaigns. But stick around here. I'm sure some of the folks who post here can help you learn something. :)
LOL - you've got a weird definition of success if you think the negative campaigning "worked" for McCain and Romney
Also, it's well known that the public is beyond the point of being sick of that shit as well
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The problem any Democrat President will have over the next 10 to 15 years is Congress will likely be in the hands of Republicans for at least that duration.
2006 and 2008 was such a fluke from a Congressional Standpoint for Democrats.
A very unpopular war in 06 and a shit economy/unpopular war plus a talented campaigner in Obama in 08 caused many people to vote for Democrats that never had before.
By 2010 the error of their ways was clearly shown and the Democrats suffered massive defeats handing control of Congress over to the Republicans once those same "Usually Republican voters" who voted for Obama realized that he was the shits....since then.....
Republicans have been able to draw the Congressional districts in their favor plus their constituents vote overwhelmingly more than the opposition in midterms which also adds to their advantage.
A Democrat may very well win the Presidency in '17 but it will be almost certainly be inherited with a Republican house, more than likely a Republican Senate and a even more powerful right wing media, the likes of which Obama has had to deal with throughout his Presidency. This isn't the 1990's where you had "The Big 3" and CNN who mostly displayed a liberal bias and you could get away with alot more shit.
Now, if you make a mistake, it's all over Facebook, blogs and most certainly Breitbart and Fox News will put your ass out there on Front Street.
More than anything I think that the problem Obama has faced during his Presidency is The rise of Right wing and social media.
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Santorum was a sitting US Senator who couldn't hold onto his seat in a state that elects Republicans to the Senate. He then won a few meaningless GOP presidential primaries. His day has long since come and gone. He's irrelevant.
yeah, but in 2006, everyone on the extreme right lost. just like most in the extreme left (in the GOP) lost in 2010. Midterms, you know. Santorum doesn't lose that race in 2010.
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People who say anything about Huckabee or Santorum being viable contenders worry me. Because they are dead wrong...
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People who say anything about Huckabee or Santorum being viable contenders worry me. Because they are dead wrong...
Santorum doesn't have a snowball's chance. Huckabee? I doubt it, be he's probably more viable than Santorum.
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Look, there's a fairly high probability that Hillary vs Jeb happens...it's a popularity contest after all.
After that who is there? Rand? Rick Perry? Ben Carson? Elizabeth Warren? Biden?
These guys trying to be nice first and conservative second are just looking weak.
We already know what weak leadership looks like...and what perversions it brings to the office and country.
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I really hope we don't have another Clinton vs. Bush. Enough already. It would almost start to look like a two-headed family monarchy. :-\
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Look, there's a fairly high probability that Hillary vs Jeb happens...it's a popularity contest after all.
After that who is there? Rand? Rick Perry? Ben Carson? Elizabeth Warren? Biden?
These guys trying to be nice first and conservative second are just looking weak.
We already know what weak leadership looks like...and what perversions it brings to the office and country.
I just can't see Jeb coming out on top of the 2016 Republican primary.
If you are going the "moderate Republican" angle I would put Christie, Romney and Huckabee all ahead of Jeb.
There is nobody more overhyped, Democrat or Republican, than Jeb Bush.
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I just can't see Jeb coming out on top of the 2016 Republican primary.
If you are going the " moderate Republican" angle I would put Christie, Romney and Huckabee all ahead of Jeb.
There is nobody more overhyped, Democrat or Republican, than Jeb Bush.
Christie will be eaten alive by the Obama photo opps and he will lose his cool in debates. Romney won't run again, even after he was dead on about foreign policy last time. Huckabee is just annoying in an unwanted guidance counselor sort of way. There's no force in his words. I don't care for Jeb but he has star power and can put on the act at will. In what way would Jeb be more overhyped than Hillary? Being Governor is better than holding positions where nothing was done only to scurry off when some heat comes along.
If the news starts reporting actual economic numbers and this fake stock market nose dives in the next year it will less likely be a moderate anyway.
Why do the Clinton and Bush families have continual power? Because people are stupid. Really, very stupid.
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Santorum doesn't have a snowball's chance. Huckabee? I doubt it, be he's probably more viable than Santorum.
In 1997, nobody thought a kenyan-born state senator with terr'ist connections and zero resume could make it to national senate then win the white house twice.
Yeah, santorum is kooky at times, but he has a few things going for him.
he's mature. VERY mature. He's been around long enough. He has gravitas. He doesn't smirk and giggle when he's uncomfortable. He can own a room or stage.
He LED pretty late in the game in 2012, didn't he? made a run when Cain and Newt did? He could have won it... romney just caught fire last, it could have been any of them. Santorum peaked too soon. he led Romney in February. If he leads in March, he wins the nomination. So it's completely possible.
He's had loss. Lost a child. He isn't pampered, he isn't soft, he wasn't born with silver spoon in his mouth. he's tough, way tougher than a rubio or rand. he's made his own way in the world, son of a coal miner. Didn't grow up in a mansion like jeb.
He knows iowa. I believe he visited all 99 counties for 2012, and finished 19 votes ahead of Romney, who spent a ton of $ there.
Base loves him. If he can be nice and keep moderates, pull over some former obama supporters, it coudl get interesting :)
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LOVE.. how you guys are always stuck choosing between two parties that are EXACTLY THE FKIN SAME ----
ahhh... the illusion of choice..
carry on sheeple
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And I'm a little tired of "conservatives" on getbig telling us that RINOS can win, but a far-right candidate cannot.
Reagan, Bush1, Bush2, they were WAY more conservative than moderate.
Romney and Mccain were moderates all the way. Results are all that matter.
All of you saying Christie that, Jeb this... seriously, stop falling for the latest FOX news fad and choose someone who is SMART, has a record of supporting family values, and is fiscally responsible in his voting record - in other words, Santorum :)
More on Santorum... he won 11 primaries. He has an MBA, and toney on getbig likes a Business president. A law degree too. He's smart, very smart. Decent looking family. he writes books and produces childrens films.
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The National Taxpayers Union, a fiscal conservative organization, gave Santorum an "A-" score for his votes on fiscal issues, meaning that he was one of "the strongest supporters of responsible tax and spending policies" during his tenure, and ranked fifth in the group's rankings out of 50 senators who served at the same time.[38]
Only an IDIOT would look at Santorum's history... and the LIBERAL AGENDA that christie practiced for years, and say Christie would be better for GOP ideals.
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ick Santorum Is Kinda Coming Back for 2016
Ben Jacobs
Four years after winning Iowa, the former senator is struggling to crack 6 percent in the 2016 GOP field—and maybe that’s right where he wants to be. But why is he bashing Reagan?
Among potential Republican presidential contenders in the 2016 Iowa caucuses, Rick Santorum is polling at around 6 percent. He’s mired behind more than half-dozen candidates, some of whom have never campaigned the Hawkeye State, let alone won the first in the nation caucuses. But while the former Pennsylvania senator may not be in an ideal position for a presidential hopeful, he’s still light years beyond where he was was at this time four years ago.
Indeed, Santorum didn’t start regularly cracking the 6 percent mark in polls until December 2011, just a month before the caucuses. That was after spending more than a year going back and forth across the state, where he boasted about visiting all 99 counties.
On Friday night, the former Pennsylvania senator tried to jump-start a return to the top of the polls in front of a crowd of about 125 at a picnic in Boone, Iowa, held by the county Republican Party. Santorum arrived long after the event had started, as an array of election officials and candidates took turns delivering stem winders to rally the party faithful who had gathered for a barbecue dinner in a city park on a pleasant August evening. He emerged from the parking lot with a grin on his face and stuck his hands in his pockets as he loped toward the event, just waiting for someone to recognize him. After so many months in 2011 of toiling in anonymity before crowds of five or 10 people, he was appearing effortlessly before scores of key Republican activists, including Gov. Terry Branstad and Rep. Steve King. But the event didn’t pause for Santorum. Instead, after about 30 or 45 seconds, two women helping to organize the picnic went up to him, welcoming him and taking him off to the side to meet and greet the other organizers.
Both Friday night in Boone and at the bigger Family Leader Summit on Saturday in Ames, Santorum gave what has become his standard stump speech, focusing on themes from his book Blue Collar Conservatives. But unlike some other GOP presidential hopefuls, he appeared more focused on using his book to promote his potential candidacy than the other way around.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/12/rick-santorum-is-kinda-coming-back-for-2016.html
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And I'm a little tired of "conservatives" on getbig telling us that RINOS can win, but a far-right candidate cannot.
You are nuts and I know you are just trolling with this ridiculous thread.
Anyone who has been on this board long enough knows you are not a conservative and will vote for the dumocratic party no matter what.
You must be bored.
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You are nuts and I know you are just trolling with this ridiculous thread.
Anyone who has been on this board long enough knows you are not a conservative and will vote for the dumocratic party no matter what.
You must be bored.
Starting to agree with this.
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There are two demographics that will determine the next election: Working/middle-class white men and married white women.
If Rick Santorum can get the conserative base on his side, with an uptick on those two spots, he is our next president.
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There are two demographics that will determine the next election: Working/middle-class white men and married white women.
If Rick Santorum can get the conserative base on his side, with an uptick on those two spots, he is our next president.
Why are you posting here now? You know you are not supposed to post until I am traveling. Isn't that how it has been for the last nine months? I leave, you appear. I return, you vanish. Like a physical manifestation of an acute bipolar disorder. (yours, not mine). Seriously, didn't you get the memo on my travel plans? You gotta work a bit harder if we are going to keep this gimmick going.
PS Brock/Cena will end up being a screwy finish.
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Christie will be eaten alive by the Obama photo opps and he will lose his cool in debates. Romney won't run again, even after he was dead on about foreign policy last time. Huckabee is just annoying in an unwanted guidance counselor sort of way. There's no force in his words. I don't care for Jeb but he has star power and can put on the act at will. In what way would Jeb be more overhyped than Hillary? Being Governor is better than holding positions where nothing was done only to scurry off when some heat comes along.
If the news starts reporting actual economic numbers and this fake stock market nose dives in the next year it will less likely be a moderate anyway.
Why do the Clinton and Bush families have continual power? Because people are stupid. Really, very stupid.
I don't know man. I'm not seeing it but you might be on to something.
I think that people are probably just tired of the Bush family but that last statement is very true as well and the guy does seem to have a bit of charisma playing the ass kisser role and that seems to go far with the people as well.
Shit can change very quickly on that Primary debate stage and he could very well take advantage of it.
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Why are you posting here now? You know you are not supposed to post until I am traveling. Isn't that how it has been for the last nine months? I leave, you appear. I return, you vanish. Like a physical manifestation of an acute bipolar disorder. (yours, not mine). Seriously, didn't you get the memo on my travel plans? You gotta work a bit harder if we are going to keep this gimmick going.
PS Brock/Cena will end up being a screwy finish.
Nope. Or did you forget that you posted on my thread about Lesnar ending Undertaker's Streak and on my WM 30 pics overall?
;D
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And I'm a little tired of "conservatives" on getbig telling us that RINOS can win, but a far-right candidate cannot.
Reagan, Bush1, Bush2, they were WAY more conservative than moderate.
Romney and Mccain were moderates all the way. Results are all that matter.
All of you saying Christie that, Jeb this... seriously, stop falling for the latest FOX news fad and choose someone who is SMART, has a record of supporting family values, and is fiscally responsible in his voting record - in other words, Santorum :)
More on Santorum... he won 11 primaries. He has an MBA, and toney on getbig likes a Business president. A law degree too. He's smart, very smart. Decent looking family. he writes books and produces childrens films.
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The National Taxpayers Union, a fiscal conservative organization, gave Santorum an "A-" score for his votes on fiscal issues, meaning that he was one of "the strongest supporters of responsible tax and spending policies" during his tenure, and ranked fifth in the group's rankings out of 50 senators who served at the same time.[38]
Only an IDIOT would look at Santorum's history... and the LIBERAL AGENDA that christie practiced for years, and say Christie would be better for GOP ideals.
Trolls gonna troll.
its gonna be mitt 80%, with maybe a 20% chance it is ron paul.
everyone else, nope.
santorum would be DESTROYED in a national election. He acts like John kerry without all the coolness.
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that was in 2012, when he was angry and venemous. negative.
This calm, rational version - this new version, focusing upon the positive - HE can win.
He won't turn off moderates.
I hope scrolling thru 3 years of posts was a rewarding thing for you lol!
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that was in 2012, when he was angry and venemous. negative.
This calm, rational version - this new version, focusing upon the positive - HE can win.
He won't turn off moderates.
I hope scrolling thru 3 years of posts was a rewarding thing for you lol!
Took me sixty seconds. He is no different today than two years ago. You really want to challenge me to find more dishonest, disingenuous, troll posts by you? You really want to go there? It's like shooting fish in a barrel. :)
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that was in 2012, when he was angry and venemous. negative.
This calm, rational version - this new version, focusing upon the positive - HE can win.
He won't turn off moderates.
I hope scrolling thru 3 years of posts was a rewarding thing for you lol!
he won't turn off moderates until he starting talking birth control, marriage equality, immigration. then the rushing sound heard won't be the Perot jobs leaving the country but people leaving Santorum. who still is that frothy mix of.....
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Took me sixty seconds. He is no different today than two years ago.
He was very bitter and angry toward obama in 2012.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/25/rick-santorum-obama-snob-college_n_1301854.html
This time, he vows to do it differently.
beach bum, you keep resuscitating the chances of Christie, despite his hugely liberal background and other issues. You keep shitting all over dudes like Santorum, who actually embody conservative ideals.
I think you may be losing to shit on anyone regarding positions... you voted Clinton, you are loving on these RINOs, I dunno man. I always thought you weer a conservative, but seeing you as a middle of road moderate, I understand your debate positions now. You dislike obama, but you dislike those on the far right also. Makes sense, totally cool. however, I do think the splintering of the republican party is why they can't win prez elections. RINOs don't get the base out, and it's oobvious that RINOs hate candidates like Santorum.
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He was very bitter and angry toward obama in 2012.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/25/rick-santorum-obama-snob-college_n_1301854.html
This time, he vows to do it differently.
beach bum, you keep resuscitating the chances of Christie, despite his hugely liberal background and other issues. You keep shitting all over dudes like Santorum, who actually embody conservative ideals.
I think you may be losing to shit on anyone regarding positions... you voted Clinton, you are loving on these RINOs, I dunno man. I always thought you weer a conservative, but seeing you as a middle of road moderate, I understand your debate positions now. You dislike obama, but you dislike those on the far right also. Makes sense, totally cool. however, I do think the splintering of the republican party is why they can't win prez elections. RINOs don't get the base out, and it's oobvious that RINOs hate candidates like Santorum.
Listen Pinocchio, I haven't done any such thing with Christie. I like him. If he can survive the bridge scandal, he is as viable as anyone.
Regarding Santorum, I'm just stating the obvious: he's not going to win the Republican nomination. And no, he isn't any different than two years ago. ::) Has not changed his positions.
Yes, I voted for Clinton twice. But I'm an independent, so I can simply vote my conscience. Like last weekend's primary. I voted on the Democrat ticket. Independents can do that.
But liars like you? They claim to be Republican, then vote for Obama and carry his water like you have. Shame on you.
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Listen Pinocchio, I haven't done any such thing with Christie. I like him. If he can survive the bridge scandal, he is as viable as anyone.
Regarding Santorum, I'm just stating the obvious: he's not going to win the Republican nomination. And no, he isn't any different than two years ago. ::) Has not changed his positions.
Yes, I voted for Clinton twice. But I'm an independent, so I can simply vote my conscience. Like last weekend's primary. I voted on the Democrat ticket. Independents can do that.
But liars like you? They claim to be Republican, then vote for Obama and carry his water like you have. Shame on you.
See, that's the problem. On christie you said, "I like him".
That's a big issue. Because actual conservatives don't "like" Christie... they see him as a last possible resort in 2016, because he's been a HUGE liberal in the past.
People "LIKE" the candidates that most closely match their political affiliations. I get it.
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See, that's the problem. On christie you said, "I like him".
That's a big issue. Because actual conservatives don't "like" Christie... they see him as a last possible resort in 2016, because he's been a HUGE liberal in the past.
People "LIKE" the candidates that most closely match their political affiliations. I get it.
Independents "like" candidates they believe are good people and can be good be good leaders. Overall, I like the way Christie leads.
It is independents like me who help decide presidential elections. We don't care who party loyalists are supporting. We support the person we believe is the best candidate.
But liberals like you? You're unable to think for yourself. You live on "democratic underground" and MSNBC, so you can get your daily talking points. I get it.
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Independents "like" candidates they believe are good people and can be good be good leaders. Overall, I like the way Christie leads.
I don't see how Christie can be a "good person" if he has subscribed to such liberal belief system for so many years.
This "good person" sure acts like a bad person when it comes to his belief system.
If Christie wins the nomination in 2016, Democrats might just celebrate. I'm not sure all that much will change.
Christie is on record as believing in global warming and, more specifically, that it is man made. He can NEVER escape this position with base voters. Ever. Christie Agrees with Obama
Christie clearly opposes offshore drilling off the coast on New Jersey. Repubs want to drill, baby, drill! Christie Agrees with Obama
Christie has stood with Obama’s EPA- arguably one of the most liberally radical federal agencies- in opposing construction of a new power plant in eastern Pennsylvania. He hates coal. HATES COAL!!!! Christie Agrees with Obama
Abortion issue? Christie has donated $ to Planned Parenthood. Christie has since changed his position, but that may be hard to sell to base voters.... suddenly he's a flipflopper? Compared to lifelong pro-life candidates like Rand, no contest
Foreign intervention? lol, obama all the way: We ARE the leader in Libya; we MUST be the world's police. Christie Agrees with Obama
Guns? No right-to-carry cross-state reciprocity. (Jun 2012) - Favors gun control measures from law-enforcement perspective Christie Agrees with Obama
Christie was notoriously soft on illegal immigrants, and called it a federal problem. That's right, he wants the govt to handle it. Christie Agrees with Obama
NJ Govt has ballooned under Christie - He's not a small govt guy. Christie Agrees with Obama
Christie has completely capitulated to a federal, Obama-supported educational policy... NCLB all the way, baby! Christie Agrees with Obama
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Independents "like" candidates they believe are good people and can be good be good leaders. Overall, I like the way Christie leads.
Christie is, without a doubt, a liberal on many positions.
YOU are capable of believing a person who is very liberal can be a good leader and a good person.
I think we are going to have to disagree here. This is really the bottom line here. Can't get past this. You think a guy who agrees with obama on most major issues is a "good person".
That's simply not the case.
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Christie is, without a doubt, a liberal on many positions.
YOU are capable of believing a person who is very liberal can be a good leader and a good person.
I think we are going to have to disagree here. This is really the bottom line here. Can't get past this. You think a guy who agrees with obama on most major issues is a "good person".
That's simply not the case.
Oh shut up with the phony conservatism already. ::) If you don't believe liberals can be good leaders, and you are a self-proclaimed Republican (depending on the day), then why the heck did you vote for Obama?
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Oh shut up with the phony conservatism already. ::) If you don't believe liberals can be good leaders, and you are a self-proclaimed Republican (depending on the day), then why the heck did you vote for Obama?
You believe liberals can be "good people" and "good leaders". I do not.
I'm not sure there's anything else we can talk about now. You can attack me with this or that accusation, but in your own words, you believe that a person who agrees with Obama on almost every issue, can be a good person and a good leader.
I doubt you'll find many republicans on getbig who will agree with you here. Coach, soul crusher, what say you?
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I don't know man. I'm not seeing it but you might be on to something.
I think that people are probably just tired of the Bush family but that last statement is very true as well and the guy does seem to have a bit of charisma playing the ass kisser role and that seems to go far with the people as well.
Shit can change very quickly on that Primary debate stage and he could very well take advantage of it.
In the GOP primary a candidate that is likeable but forceful and throws red meat to the libertarian/constitutionalist/tea far right will win. McCain was hardly a candidate...look at what that loon has done since that election...we all dodged a WW3 bullet on that one. Romney was correct on a lot of things on economics and foreign policy but he was a Mormon and had a lot of baggage and money. Remember the banks and govt were trying to cover their tracks on the bailout...that Wall St sit in was controlled opposition. He wouldn't address the Fed Res printing money and keeping interest rates at zero anymore than Obammy does anyway...but he might have been better at the job. It is a CEO type job afterall...it's just we don't understand yet that they don't work for us.
By the time we get to the election there will be plenty to run on pretending to be a polar opposite of the Bammer...the wars and inflation and jobs and taxes and healthcare and immigration. Does that mean that a true reformer is coming? Probably not, unless everybody at the top has taken all they can and now don't want the country to fall apart for their own sake. All these guys at a national level are owned by the corporations and banks and loyalties to outside interests. Hell, you can't even get elected onto a city council without some friends, and cash and help...imagine the favors these guys all owe.
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You believe liberals can be "good people" and "good leaders". I do not.
I'm not sure there's anything else we can talk about now. You can attack me with this or that accusation, but in your own words, you believe that a person who agrees with Obama on almost every issue, can be a good person and a good leader.
I doubt you'll find many republicans on getbig who will agree with you here. Coach, soul crusher, what say you?
I don't give a rip if a single Republican agrees with me. I don't base my decisions on what party loyalists believe, do, etc.
But you are a fraud. You claim to be Republican, that liberals cannot be good people or good leaders, but you voted for Obama and have been kissing his butt for six years already. lol
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You believe liberals can be "good people" and "good leaders". I do not.
Then explain why you voted for obama twice?