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German Police fire 85 bullets total
Meanwhile Incompetent & Improperly Trained Militarized Cops kill another man in Missouri
Rather than de-escalate situations using mental health professionals, police ALWAYS doubled down on their high-pressure tactics and militarized response.
This is Probably Why Cops Beat & Kill the Mentally Disabled
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While German Police Fired 85 Bullets All Year, US Police Use 90 on 1 Person:
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Mods, feel free to merge this thread with the thread about Iceland grieving, if Roger has no objections.
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Yeah.....u know what a 9mm does to a leg...nothing. If you shoot, you shoot to kill period. If you want to go non lethal based on the situation, its a different argument. Taser, sting balls..whatever...but no warning shots. Plus comparing America with 350 Million people and Germany or even Iceland..come on.
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Germany is one quarter the size of the US and is still mostly one (very high quality)race and culture, and doesnt have entire towns and ghettos filled with millions of blacks and latin americans.
These comparisons are silly
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Yeah.....u know what a 9mm does to a leg...nothing. If you shoot, you shoot to kill period. If you want to go non lethal based on the situation, its a different argument. Taser, sting balls..whatever...but no warning shots. Plus comparing America with 350 Million people and Germany or even Iceland..come on.
As you well know, warning shots are always fired at CENTER OF MASS!!
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German Police fire 85 bullets total
Meanwhile Incompetent & Improperly Trained Militarized Cops kill another man in Missouri
Rather than de-escalate situations using mental health professionals, police ALWAYS doubled down on their high-pressure tactics and militarized response.
This is Probably Why Cops Beat & Kill the Mentally Disabled
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While German Police Fired 85 Bullets All Year, US Police Use 90 on 1 Person:
A sane person would take from this--don't charge cops wielding weapons or you'll get shot.
But that's none of my business
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A sane person would take from this--don't charge cops wielding weapons or you'll get shot.
But that's none of my business
Exactly. Unfortunately the Leftist mentality does not factor in common sense or clear evidence when pushing their silly narratives.
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Not sure what militarized response you are speaking of.
Militarized would be M4s and MRAPs... Not cops carrying a 9mm or a .45ACP.
Where is your militarized connection?
Guns are guns to them. They havent the slightest clue about anything on the subject, yet they feel like they can lecture other about it.
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I'm confused, is the cop supposed to risk his own life "shooting to wound" or whatever fantasy scenario Canadians who've never fired a handgun think is normal?
Perhaps the obese german cop should spend less time at the bar and more time at the range so he doesn't miss the centre mass next time a maniac with a weapon charges him.
I'm also confused as to why we're supposed to want to keep someone who attacks other people with a knife alive ???
Also, since you obviously have less than no clue, two officers firing 12 rounds between them is actually very conservative to stop a charging , armed target. 9mm doesn't have much stopping power so they need to put multiple rounds into them
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Yeah.....u know what a 9mm does to a leg...nothing. If you shoot, you shoot to kill period. If you want to go non lethal based on the situation, its a different argument. Taser, sting balls..whatever...but no warning shots. Plus comparing America with 350 Million people and Germany or even Iceland..come on.
This.
Limb shots are notoriously difficult and unreliable. If you're going to shoot, you shoot to kill.
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This should bring some perspective:
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Germany/United-States/Crime
The Germans always try to look down on others. That said, GSG 9 is quite an impressive unit.
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German Police fire 85 bullets total
Meanwhile Incompetent & Improperly Trained Militarized Cops kill another man in Missouri
Rather than de-escalate situations using mental health professionals, police ALWAYS doubled down on their high-pressure tactics and militarized response.
This is Probably Why Cops Beat & Kill the Mentally Disabled
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While German Police Fired 85 Bullets All Year, US Police Use 90 on 1 Person:
It must be nice to live in your fantasy world. How do the police know what the guys holding weapons intenteds to do? They aren't mind readers. They give the "put the weapon down command" and if you come at them then it's over for you. EVERYBODY know that! If they don't and miss your "limb" shot, they get hacked up like Lee Rigby of the UK did by one of the "mentally Ill" criminals you like to defend.
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It is truly hilarious listening to the ignorant libs who have never fired a gun in their lives talk about how they should 'shoot them in the leg' or 'shoot to wound' and question why multiple shots are needed...
They get all their 'knowledge' of guns from hollywood movies and tv shows, where a handgun is super easy to aim and fire rapidly; they think its just 'point and click' and you can hit dozens of guys from 50 yards away in the head and hands, like its that easy. They have no clue that in real life, handguns require a great deal of effort and training to be able to shoot with extreme precision, especially rapidly.
Hollywood has also taught them that all guns are super powerful death rays, where one bullet often knocks down large men, and any single bullet from any gun is usually instantly fatal. They have no concept of varying calibers or ballistics, or shot placement, or the mechanisms of bullet wounding and ability to incapacitate. They have no clue that most handgun rounds are so inadequate for getting instant stops that they are actually trained to fire center mass until the subject is stopped, and that it quite often required many many rounds to stop a motivated individual. They 'know' from watching tv that one bullet will instantly kill anyone, so to them the only reason they fire more than once is because they are 'mean' or 'trigger happy' ::)
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when cops or the military shoot, they shoot to kill. You are eliminating a threat, not trying to be nice and send social services to the scene.
One man with a machete charging at you is a grave threat that can do a lot of damage even with a bullet in his leg.
The argument to shoot to wound is stupid. Less lethal options are available and good to use when appropriate.
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This.
Limb shots are notoriously difficult and unreliable. If you're going to shoot, you shoot to kill.
Technically, cops are trained to shoot to stop the threat. dying is a byproduct of that sometimes
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Technically, cops are trained to shoot to stop the threat. dying is a byproduct of that sometimes
Exactly
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This.
Limb shots are notoriously difficult and unreliable. If you're going to shoot, you shoot to kill.
Exactly, that's why cops should just shoot the weapon off the attacker's hand. :D
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Meanwhile, in England
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Meanwhile, in England
Seems like 1 cop with a taser in the bunch could have possibly solved it a lot sooner. But I'm glad no one got hurt
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LMFAO jagson has more than likely never even shot a gun nevertheless shot at a moving target.
Your dumb ass wants a person to try and shoot someone in the leg while they are rushing at you waving a machete?
LOL I tell you what dumb ass Ill take the michete and you can have the gun b/c you have no fucking clue what youre talking about.
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LMFAO jagson has more than likely never even shot a gun nevertheless shot at a moving target.
Your dumb ass wants a person to try and shoot someone in the leg while they are rushing at you waving a machete?
LOL I tell you what dumb ass Ill take the michete and you can have the gun b/c you have no fucking clue what youre talking about.
How about with a shotgun? Wouldn't that work OK?
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How about with a shotgun? Wouldn't that work OK?
Sure if I get a crossbow ;)
are you advocating for the police to carry shotguns instead of pistols? that seems to go against the "militarization of the police" rhetoric that is going around.
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Sure if I get a crossbow ;)
are you advocating for the police to carry shotguns instead of pistols? that seems to go against the "militarization of the police" rhetoric that is going around.
Don't most cops have a shotgun in their cars already?
I've pretty recently relocated to SoCal and even motorcycle cops seem to have some kind of shotgun attached to their bikes.
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LMFAO jagson has more than likely never even shot a gun nevertheless shot at a moving target.
Your dumb ass wants a person to try and shoot someone in the leg while they are rushing at you waving a machete?
Star man argument, the stlouis fella, walked very fucking slowly, and they originally had sufficient distance to be safe.
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Yeah.....u know what a 9mm does to a leg...nothing. If you shoot, you shoot to kill period. If you want to go non lethal based on the situation, its a different argument. Taser, sting balls..whatever...but no warning shots. Plus comparing America with 350 Million people and Germany or even Iceland..come on.
And your comment is a prime example of why there is a distinction between soldiers & police, ...or at least there ought to be. A soldier is trained to kill the enemy. The police are suppose to Protect & Serve. Cops todays are militarized and every town & community is treated as foreign battle zone with an enemy that needs to be put down, rather than a community that needs to be protected & served.
It is the heavy police presence that escalates the situation and causes these uprisings.
Riots didn't break out until the Police came heavy handedly to break up what was a peaceful protest.
The way they handled the aftermath of the shooting is what made the whole pot boil over.
There was another fatal shooting in St. Louis. Did we see riots taking place there? Did we see riots taking place in California, ...or even in NY after Eric Garner? Why only in Ferguson.
So manyof you are missing the point. This thing has gone way beyond Michael Brown. No one knows what happened that afternoon except Michael Brown, Darren Wilson, and Dorian Johnson. Brown is dead, and Wilson & Johnson have conflicting stories.
What is evident is the Police messed up in the aftermath in a big way. the eyes of the world are upon them, and the police, the media everyone seems to have an agenda, and a spin to which to play to the masses, however, you forget foreign media outlets don't necessarily subscribe to the narratives penned by those with an agenda.
There are International protests against the way the Police in Ferguson handled this as far away as Egypt.
When Egyptian authorities are telling American LEOs to chill out, you know you need to check yourselves.
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A sane person would take from this--don't charge cops wielding weapons or you'll get shot.
But that's none of my business
LOL, But we're not talking about the sane. We're talking about the mentally ill.
ps: Sane people needn't worry. These days it seems US cops only unload their weapons into the mentally ill. :P
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Germany is one quarter the size of the US and is still mostly one (very high quality)race and culture, and doesnt have entire towns and ghettos filled with millions of blacks and latin americans.
These comparisons are silly
Hard to believe that she could miss such an obvious fact.
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Hard to believe that she could miss such an obvious fact.
I didn't miss it, I simply chose to ignore the disgusting racist implications of his post.
I figured sane, right thinking individuals will recognize the "American mindset" at the root of so much unrest,
...and the brainwashed racists will reveal themselves. I was right.
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I didn't miss it, I simply chose to ignore the disgusting racist implications of his post.
I figured sane, right thinking individuals will recognize the "American mindset" at the root of so much unrest,
...and the brainwashed racists will reveal themselves. I was right.
Keep fooling yourself.
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I didn't miss it, I simply chose to ignore the disgusting racist implications of his post.
I figured sane, right thinking individuals will recognize the "American mindset" at the root of so much unrest,
...and the brainwashed racists will reveal themselves. I was right.
how are facts racist?
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Star man argument, the stlouis fella, walked very fucking slowly, and they originally had sufficient distance to be safe.
this I can agree with you, I saw the video and the cops could have backed away while still keeping their weapon on the guy.
It doesnt look like they guy was going to stop but the one he was walking toward should have at least taken a few steps back.
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No, you shoot to stop the quickest, and even then something like this might happen -
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Starts about 7 minutes in.
here you go you ignorant fantasy land living retard
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however, you forget foreign media outlets don't necessarily subscribe to the narratives penned by those with an agenda.
There are International protests against the way the Police in Ferguson handled this as far away as Egypt.
When Egyptian authorities are telling American LEOs to chill out, you know you need to check yourselves.
Sometimes I wonder if these posts are actually parodies of things found on the dailyKos ???
It's inconceivable how anyone could actually post this stuff with a straight face
Meanwhile, in Egypt
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here you go you ignorant fantasy land living retard
She will ignore this as well. I'm sure the "taser" comment is coming!
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She keeps making the point that these people are mentally ill, but isn't that the problem? They are totally unstable and unpredictable, on meds and drugs. You cannot assume a taser is gonna do anything to stop them. A person with a weapon rushes you all of a sudden and there is no time for limb shots, and you die. No, take them down per their request!
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Leftists get angry when people base their conclusions on real data and evidence, instead of on emotion.
Data and evidence always shows conclusions that are inconvenient to the Leftist ideology/narratives.
And as usual since they have no way to refute, they just call it 'racist'.
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She keeps making the point that these people are mentally ill, but isn't that the problem? They are totally unstable and unpredictable, on meds and drugs. You cannot assume a taser is gonna do anything to stop them. A person with a weapon rushes you all of a sudden and there is no time for limb shots, and you die. No, take them down per their request!
I'm not referring to a mentally ill person who rushes you all of a sudden. Should that happen... take them out.
I'm referring to lazy LEOs who shoot unnecessarily. They don't want to take the time to bring the person in, they'd rather just kill the guy and call it a day.
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I'm not referring to a mentally ill person who rushes you all of a sudden. Should that happen... take them out.
I'm referring to lazy LEOs who shoot unnecessarily. They don't want to take the time to bring the person in, they'd rather just kill the guy and call it a day.
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so in your mind a person should have to wait until a person tries to kill you before you can defend yourself?
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I'm not referring to a mentally ill person who rushes you all of a sudden. Should that happen... take them out.
I'm referring to lazy LEOs who shoot unnecessarily. They don't want to take the time to bring the person in, they'd rather just kill the guy and call it a day.
so in your mind a person should have to wait until a person tries to kill you before you can defend yourself?
Because they're lazy and there's less paperwork associated with a fatal shooting than simply bringing in a suspect.. When the police murder a poor urban youth they're not even required to file a report about it.
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I'm not referring to a mentally ill person who rushes you all of a sudden. Should that happen... take them out.
I'm referring to lazy LEOs who shoot unnecessarily. They don't want to take the time to bring the person in, they'd rather just kill the guy and call it a day.
Yes, there's definitely less paperwork involved in a shooting that results in death.
A little too obvious with your trolling here...
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so in your mind a person should have to wait until a person tries to kill you before you can defend yourself?
Because they're lazy and there's less paperwork associated with a fatal shooting than simply bringing in a suspect.. When the police murder a poor urban youth they're not even required to file a report about it.
lol I thought the same thing...yes b/c there is much less paperwork and hoops to jump through when a cop kills someone rather than when they just arrest them.
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Yes, there's definitely less paperwork involved in a shooting that results in death.
A little too obvious with your trolling here...
Hahaha no shit right?
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Yes, there's definitely less paperwork involved in a shooting that results in death.
A little too obvious with your trolling here...
She believes it.
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She believes it.
I don't think she's that dumb...just got a little too sloppy with her trolling.
At least I hope this is the case
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I don't think she's that dumb...just got a little too sloppy with her trolling.
At least I hope this is the case
I wish she were trolling. I can say with 100% certainty she believes it
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Yes, there's definitely less paperwork involved in a shooting that results in death.
A little too obvious with your trolling here...
LOL I never mentioned a thing about paperwork.
You'd have to ask Mawse what his reasoning is there.
I just said they'd rather shoot the guy and call it a day.
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I don't think she's that dumb...just got a little too sloppy with her trolling.
At least I hope this is the case
LOL. Thanks for the vote of confidence.
I wasn't trolling, ...just having a bit of a cynical moment.
Meet the latest martyr from Missouri
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=943549105661583
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LOL. Thanks for the vote of confidence.
I wasn't trolling, ...just having a bit of a cynical moment.
Meet the latest martyr from Missouri
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=943549105661583
See reply #31, look similar? Same irrational behavior, look what happened. That is probably what would've happen here too.
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See reply #31, look similar? Same irrational behavior, look what happened. That is probably what would've happen here too.
I don't mean to sound like a Monday Morning Quarterback, ...but that was seriously messed up! :o :o
I doubt it, ...Despite their multiple screwups, I'm sure the Ferguson police have much surer footing. :P
Powell wanted to be suicided by cops, and he got his wish. Sad to lose a life over a couple cans of soda :'(
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I don't understand why they didn't shoot him in the hand.... they had plenty of opportunity.
But again as we see, things didn't escalate until the cop moved in. That seemed to really piss him off :-\
I think if police are going to be first responders at crisis situations, then CIT should be mandatory for all of them.
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I don't understand why they didn't shoot him in the hand.... they had plenty of opportunity.
But again as we see, things didn't escalate until the cop moved in. That seemed to really piss him off :-\
I think if police are going to be first responders at crisis situations, then CIT should be mandatory for all of them.
Getting too heavy handed with this huffpo parody stuff, bro. Ease back a little and you'll be able to keep it going for a few more pages
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I'm not referring to a mentally ill person who rushes you all of a sudden. Should that happen... take them out.
I'm referring to lazy LEOs who shoot unnecessarily. They don't want to take the time to bring the person in, they'd rather just kill the guy and call it a day.
yeah, because we all know LEO are lazy and it's a lot easier to just shoot someone then it is to arrest them. Lot less trouble.. ::) what a clueless person.
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yeah, because we all know LEO are lazy and it's a lot easier to just shoot someone then it is to arrest them. Lot less trouble.. ::) what a clueless person.
Not all are lazy. I don't think you are.
Infact, I think you're probably a professional, who thoughtfully goes about his duties.
I also think it should be mandatory for ALL officers to undergo CIT.
ps: Not as clueless as many would like to believe. :P
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Not all are lazy. I don't think you are.
Infact, I think you're probably a professional, who thoughtfully goes about his duties.
I also think it should be mandatory for ALL officers to undergo CIT.
ps: Not as clueless as many would like to believe. :P
I've undergone CIT. CIT has its place. It's not when someone with a knife is advancing on you in a threatening manner... sorry.. it just isnt. You could have replaced those cops with 2 therapists and you would likely either have one dead therapist and a traumatized therapist holding an empty gun or 2 dead therapists..
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I've undergone CIT. CIT has its place. It's not when someone with a knife is advancing on you in a threatening manner... sorry.. it just isnt. You could have replaced those cops with 2 therapists and you would likely either have one dead therapist and a traumatized therapist holding an empty gun or 2 dead therapists..
That particular case was seriously messed up.
I just think there are far too many ways in which police unnecessarily escalate situations. It shouldn't be that way.
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That particular case was seriously messed up.
I just think there are far too many ways in which police unnecessarily escalate situations. It shouldn't be that way.
I think gold pushers are unethical opportunists.. shouldn't be that way..
I don't mean you, you're probably an ethical one, I mean everyone else
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I think gold pushers are unethical opportunists.. shouldn't be that way..
I don't mean you, you're probably an ethical one, I mean everyone else
LOL, Ok you little poop. You did make me laugh out loud on that one.
I'll come back later, after I've had some rest and figure out where & how I so egregiously offended you. ;)
ps: And as an FYI, ...I don't push gold, ...I acquire it, and show others how they too can acquire it... for FREE :D