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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: blackpele on September 04, 2014, 12:22:29 AM
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Dorian had no guru, no trainer, no social media to hype himself, nothing, the guy even left his home at 15 year old, having a real job in a factory, no gay for pay, prostitution or shit like that.
Today's bodybuilders are a joke, I still remember Phil Heath being interview at last year's Olympia, the chick asked him why he can't stand up and he told her that his guru had him sitting for at least three hours.........
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Hardly any of the early 90's guys had gurus... They all did it on there own, now even the gurus have gurus...
I remember a few yr back taking the piss on one of the UK boards when a well known 'expert' was training and prepping guys and was getting his own prep done off somone else?
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Dorian had no guru, no trainer, no social media to hype himself, nothing, the guy even left his home at 15 year old, having a real job in a factory, no gay for pay, prostitution or shit like that.
Today's bodybuilders are a joke, I still remember Phil Heath being interview at last year's Olympia, the chick asked him why he can't stand up and he told her that his guru had him sitting for at least three hours.........
if you think nobody advised dorian on his prep or that there was no g4p you must be naive
everyone learned from somebody or several people .. the science of getting ripped is more complexthan people think and dorian was very very conditioned for most of his shows
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Hardly any of the early 90's guys had gurus... They all did it on there own, now even the gurus have gurus...
I remember a few yr back taking the piss on one of the UK boards when a well known 'expert' was training and prepping guys and was getting his own prep done off somone else?
Ha, that sounds familiar. who was it. are they still around now.
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if you think nobody advised dorian on his prep or that there was no g4p you must be naive
everyone learned from somebody or several people .. the science of getting ripped is more complexthan people think and dorian was very very conditioned for most of his shows
Theres a difference between learning from people and having your will handed over to another person. Dorian was always an individual.
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whatabout leroy
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if you think nobody advised dorian on his prep or that there was no g4p you must be naive
everyone learned from somebody or several people .. the science of getting ripped is more complexthan people think and dorian was very very conditioned for most of his shows
Big difference getting pointers off experienced people, to being spoonfed what to do on an hr to hr basis... He gad no guru full stop... Neither did Shawn or Nasser etc etc
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if you think nobody advised dorian on his prep or that there was no g4p you must be naive
everyone learned from somebody or several people .. the science of getting ripped is more complexthan people think and dorian was very very conditioned for most of his shows
Said the guy who wants money to do it then tells them to eat meat and veg.
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didnt yates base some of his training principles from the mentzer brothers?
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whatabout leroy
COME ON YATES, YOU GOT IT, ONE MORE THERE
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didnt yates base some of his training principles from the mentzer brothers?
Kinda sorta. Dorian trained with Mike for about a week and Mike took major advantage and tried to make it seem like he trained Dorian and was a big part of his success. Yates talks about this in his youtube videos.
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laugh at the claim of dorian being a natural!!
not saying he did megadoses of anything but surely he did deca at one time or other during his career no ???
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laugh at the claim of dorian being a natural!!
not saying he did megadoses of anything but surely he did deca at one time or other during his career no ???
i heard yates talking to a bodybuilder at my old gym and him saying quote(the reason no one will beat me mate is because no one is got the BALLS to take as much DRUGS as me consistantly),quote(and no one is willing to train as hard as me day in and day out), quote(and stay strict on his diet year round also,no off time for me mate) this was 92-93
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i heard yates talking to a bodybuilder at my old gym and him saying quote(the reason no one will beat me mate is because no one is got the BALLS to take as much DRUGS as me consistantly),quote(and no one is willing to train as hard as me day in and day out), quote(and stay strict on his diet year round also,no off time for me mate) this was 92-93
yup
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i heard yates talking to a bodybuilder at my old gym and him saying quote(the reason no one will beat me mate is because no one is got the BALLS to take as much DRUGS as me consistantly),quote(and no one is willing to train as hard as me day in and day out), quote(and stay strict on his diet year round also,no off time for me mate) this was 92-93
He talked about this in some videos after his retirement..
That badically he was so OCD during his Olympis run that everything he did, evey action he took, was pointed at winning his next O... whether it be diet, training, drugs... loke a man possessed, he pushed everything else out of his life..
The only thing that existed was being better, being bigger, being more conditioned, eating correctly, druggimg correctly...
He never took time off and he never backed off... which ultimately is why he tore so many muscles...
He also stated when he retired he was so lost without that all encompassing lifestyle that he floated around, got himself into trouble because he had nothing to focus his mind and insane drive and willpower on anymore. I think he said it nearly would have killed him had he not met Gal and started to find some balance in his life.
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He talked about this in some videos after his retirement..
That badically he was so OCD during his Olympis run that everything he did, evey action he took, was pointed at winning his next O... whether it be diet, training, drugs... loke a man possessed, he pushed everything else out of his life..
The only thing that existed was being better, being bigger, being more conditioned, eating correctly, druggimg correctly...
He never took time off and he never backed off... which ultimately is why he tore so many muscles...
He also stated when he retired he was so lost without that all encompassing lifestyle that he floated around, got himself into trouble because he had nothing to focus his mind and insane drive and willpower on anymore. I think he said it nearly would have killed him had he not met Gal and started to find some balance in his life.
I recall him explaining his behaviour with that he wanted to treat BB as a serious job, and thus would be serious all the while he was competing professionally.
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I recall him explaining his behaviour with that he wanted to treat BB as a serious job, and thus would be serious all the while he was competing professionally.
yeah ive hear him say that as well, the interviews im speaking of were fairly recent, and he was reflecting on his competition days.
That he went full bore into BB so much that he drove everything else out, and everything was eating, sleeping, training, hormones.
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Kinda sorta. Dorian trained with Mike for about a week and Mike took major advantage and tried to make it seem like he trained Dorian and was a big part of his success. Yates talks about this in his youtube videos.
I think he was in the gym with Mike for one day and Dorian let the down out Mentzer run with the scam that he was his trainer.
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I think he was in the gym with Mike for one day and Dorian let the down out Mentzer run with the scam that he was his trainer.
Something like that. Dorian used a variation on his ideas, but he trained with much, much more volume than Mentzer advocated.
I believe he even said he trained with a ton of volume in the beginning of his career as well....
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if you think nobody advised dorian on his prep or that there was no g4p you must be naive
everyone learned from somebody or several people .. the science of getting ripped is more complexthan people think and dorian was very very conditioned for most of his shows
Good post and I agree.
Now, we have a ton of social media postings.
Had Dorian been Mr Olympia today, no doubt he would have utilized social media to enhance his fan base.
The modern sports world has a lot more analysis and fan attention on every detail due to social media and even fantasy leagues.
Kai, Jay and Phil are as much a bodybuilder, as Yates and Arnold were in their times.
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i heard yates talking to a bodybuilder at my old gym and him saying quote(the reason no one will beat me mate is because no one is got the BALLS to take as much DRUGS as me consistantly),quote(and no one is willing to train as hard as me day in and day out), quote(and stay strict on his diet year round also,no off time for me mate) this was 92-93
Bullshit.
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Bullshit.
I have a hard time believing that. If anything, I thought he always downplayed the drugs and claims to have taken no more than the next guy. Even if people didn't buy it, I thought that was his official stance with everyone.
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I have a hard time believing that. If anything, I thought he always downplayed the drugs and claims to have taken no more than the next guy. Even if people didn't buy it, I thought that was his official stance with everyone.
I lknow someone who travelled with him to a few of his Olympia's and is still a close friend of his, the statement of taking more drugs than anyone is totally out of character for him.
The comments about being dedicated year round are totally in character, thats why he said flex and Kevin would never beat him, they didnt live the life 24/7 365 days a year.
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I lknow someone who travelled with him to a few of his Olympia's and is still a close friend of his, the statement of taking more drugs than anyone is totally out of character for him.
The comments about being dedicated year round are totally in character, thats why he said flex and Kevin would never beat him, they didnt live the life 24/7 365 days a year.
His interview i was speaking of he only spoke of the drugs as 'hormones', and never talked about usage except when directly asked about letting his kid use, and he very fankly and matter of factly states 'of course, he already does, theyre just hormones.'
He syas everything he learned originally came from things like Llewellyns book on hormones and that he didnt uae anything crazy, just the same stuff that everyone else used
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First Steroid Cycle
Dorian said that his first cycle was used as a tool to maintain muscle mass while dieting. This is what he used
wks 1-4 Daily 20mg of Dianabol
wks 5-8 Daily 15mgs of Anavar and
Weekly 100mgs of Primobolan
He started at 8 wks out weighing 205. He competed at 210-212lbs. Since he lost BF% it is safe to say that he added a decent amount of Muscle mass.
The Mr. Olympia Cycle
Weekly
Test prop 300mgs
Parabolan 152mgs
Primobolan 500mgs
Daily
Anavar 50mgs
Growth Hormone 8iu
Off Season Stack (was usually 3x8wk cycles)
Weekly
Testosterone 750mgs
Deca-Durabolin 500mgs
Daily
Dianabol 50mgs
I tend to think using pure common sense, the above is utter nonsense for a male to walk around with that amount of BF and at that weight ? pleaseeeeee
Even with good response - He is heading in the 5gram plus zone - that Olympia stack is less than females are using and not a bone dry 260 pound man
A poster on here (Disgusted ? Sorry if not you Jimbo) knows where Dorian was getting the GH Pens , lol @ 8iu.
Dorian and Paul Borresen shared many similarities and same way of thinking in Hormone use.
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Maybe that was daily? Or bi-weekly?
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Maybe that was daily? Or bi-weekly?
Daily would be more conceivable - but that would be a lot of Primo money wise , but at that level the cost of AAS use
is minor - Mr O wouldnt pay for gear after all , R-hgh may have still been paying for
The prop and Tren seems right for daily shots
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Daily would be more conceivable - but that would be a lot of Primo money wise , but at that level the cost of AAS use
is minor - Mr O wouldnt pay for gear after all , R-hgh may have still been paying for
The prop and Tren seems right for daily shots
Maybe EOD if he really was an elite responder? Im sure gear costs were different for guys that connected and at that level.
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Anavar dose seems small
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Maybe EOD if he really was an elite responder? Im sure gear costs were different for guys that connected and at that level.
Yes EOD could also be used , it was the 90s , guys today are using much more so former EOD protocols have become ED.
I know a unit of a man in Oz, I'm not going to say his name so think I am safe in sharing this.
Dropping long esters and starting his show prep he runs 3grm prop weekly , starts Tren at 700mg a week and tapers up to 1.4 gram.
Adds in other drugs through the course like 1.4mg masteron and orals here and there plus growth, uses both t3 and t4 and lots of ancillaries
for sides.. plus what ever fat burners he can get at the time, speed etc
I said I know competitive Bodybuilders lie about there doses and play it down so should I triple that to give the real amount and he laughed and said he knows guys that use more and he's
been bodybuilding for 20 odd years, he's not one of these new Bostin Loyd disciples so Dorians cycle , that's no where near true.
From the 70s doses have increased with each decade - Sergio used to measure his Dbol out in the palm then pour salt on them , chuck in his mouth and gulp down with a large glass of what
ever he was drinking, Nubret was said to do the same a long with Arnold - they were cranking it in the 70s so by the 90s ?? genetics didn't give that extra 40 plus pounds of lean tissue - larger doses
and peptides being introduced did.
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I lknow someone who travelled with him to a few of his Olympia's and is still a close friend of his, the statement of taking more drugs than anyone is totally out of character for him.
The comments about being dedicated year round are totally in character, thats why he said flex and Kevin would never beat him, they didnt live the life 24/7 365 days a year.
Hmmmm so you know his next doors neighbours ex gf's cousin?... Don't be stupid, Dorian pushed the envolope in everything he did... I remember asking Ernie Taylor what Dorian did, he just laughed and said fuck knows, he just told us everything him and millos were doing, and the look on his face said they weren't in his ball park
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Bullshit.
i have no reason to lie about that,the fact that ive been training around more pro bodybuilders on a daily basis than most people on these boards prolly do.most gyms r lucky if they have 1 pro walking around there gym,never mind 6 or more so yes i hear things and see things that alot of people dont get to see or hear. on any givin day back in the 90,s i had atleast 4 or 5 pros training in my gym,how many gyms besides golds can people say that? beside the pros i had atleast 10 top amaturs as well as the current mr new jersey and mr suburbans. im not saying im some expert on bodybuilding cause im far from it but what i am saying is that ive been on the inside of the hardcore bodybuilding scene n seen things n heard things that would shock the fuck outta most people,believe me on that
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I've seen cycles written for aspiring amatures by two top brit 90's pro bb's, crazy amounts... If you call bullshit you havnt mixed in those circles
Off the top of my head, one was somthing like 2 ml of sus per day....plus other things.
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Yes, its simply how many drugs you take that dictates your success. ::)
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Come on jeff.... are u trolling here?
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Yes, its simply how many drugs you take that dictates your success. ::)
I agree to a point, but you know these guys are taning 2-3x high level gymrat dosages....
No one is getting pro size on 1.5g total of test and mixed anabolics/androgens......
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i have no reason to lie about that,the fact that ive been training around more pro bodybuilders on a daily basis than most people on these boards prolly do.most gyms r lucky if they have 1 pro walking around there gym,never mind 6 or more so yes i hear things and see things that alot of people dont get to see or hear. on any givin day back in the 90,s i had atleast 4 or 5 pros training in my gym,how many gyms besides golds can people say that? beside the pros i had atleast 10 top amaturs as well as the current mr new jersey and mr suburbans. im not saying im some expert on bodybuilding cause im far from it but what i am saying is that ive been on the inside of the hardcore bodybuilding scene n seen things n heard things that would shock the fuck outta most people,believe me on that
Must have been a mine field of brown paper bags... ;D
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Dorian touches on the internet cycle that was supposedly attributed to him
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i remember some erotic g4p pics of dorian i have seen them on getbig.. dorian surely did g4p so did ronnie
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Dorian touches on the internet cycle that was supposedly attributed to him
Im assuming the gist of it is 'hahaha bullshit'
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I agree to a point, but you know these guys are taning 2-3x high level gymrat dosages....
No one is getting pro size on 1.5g total of test and mixed anabolics/androgens......
It has nothing to do with dosage if you dont respond to the dosage.
Look at ESFitness, 6/7 gms of gear, and for what?
What makes the champs the champs is the response to the drugs.
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i remember some erotic g4p pics of dorian i have seen them on getbig.. dorian surely did g4p so did ronnie
Hell no , Ronnie probably lol
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It has nothing to do with dosage if you dont respond to the dosage.
Look at ESFitness, 6/7 gms of gear, and for what?
What makes the champs the champs is the response to the drugs.
I agree . This guy said he tried every combo known to man and never got over 170lbs
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I agree . This guy said he tried every combo known to man and never got over 170lbs
You posted the wrong picture.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=420520.0;attach=463091;image)
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I've seen cycles written for aspiring amatures by two top brit 90's pro bb's, crazy amounts... If you call bullshit you havnt mixed in those circles
Off the top of my head, one was somthing like 2 ml of sus per day....plus other things.
That would "only" be 3.5g test per week, some gym rat (with great upper body I must admit) in my gym who didn't even train legs was taking that much.
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You posted the wrong picture.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=420520.0;attach=463091;image)
LMAO nothing photoshop can't cure , I bet he shows this pic to his ' clients ' to show he was legit ::)
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You posted the wrong picture.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=420520.0;attach=463091;image)
:D
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That would "only" be 3.5g test per week, some gym rat (with great upper body I must admit) in my gym who didn't even train legs was taking that much.
My point being that was what was almost a norm amongst his British peers... And he took how much? I think dorians great but I wish he had just refused to speak on this as I can't take him or anyone who beleives it seriously
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I believe its not far off, but the obvious left off detail was the Anapolan pre contest, off which he was a huge fan.
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My point being that was what was almost a norm amongst his British peers... And he took how much? I think dorians great but I wish he had just refused to speak on this as I can't take him or anyone who beleives it seriously
to be fair I get why he understates it. If I was 21 and heard pros took x y z doses and drugs I would have been stupid enough to take them as I was mint at the time. At 21 consequences are an irrelevance.
At that age you can be as smart as einstein and newton combined but you lack the wisdom and experience to appreciate things.
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Good post and I agree.
Now, we have a ton of social media postings.
Had Dorian been Mr Olympia today, no doubt he would have utilized social media to enhance his fan base.
The modern sports world has a lot more analysis and fan attention on every detail due to social media and even fantasy leagues.
Kai, Jay and Phil are as much a bodybuilder, as Yates and Arnold were in their times.
I disagree. Yates was his own man and not reliant on gurus to hold his hand. Also, to the best of our knowledge, he never had intercourse with citrus fruit.
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It has nothing to do with dosage if you dont respond to the dosage.
Look at ESFitness, 6/7 gms of gear, and for what?
What makes the champs the champs is the response to the drugs.
Totally agree, but it takes both.
Youre not giinf to get Dorian on 1.5g total gear no matter how great his response his....
It takes both genetics and dosages.... have to have both... the better genetics you have the less you need, obviously, but itll only get one to a certain point. Shittier genetics, higher the dose to get to the same level.
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ur naive if you beleive that was all Dorian was taking
he's high dose like the rest of his peers
he also had great superior genetics
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I don't understand why people are so interested in what was his cycle, I am far more interested how he was so mentally strong, remember we are talking about a guy from Europe, bodybuilding in the '80s, unknown, no backing, nothing and yet rising to the top against all odds.
I think proof of that is the video below where he talks about the mind games that Shawn Ray used to play.
at 02:45 till 04:07
'Nobody could really penetrate me mentally, it's not possible'
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whatabout leroy
Leroy! Leroy was the coolest and he had no idea what cool even was.
Dorian and Leroy were at Golds Venice after winning the 1995 O. They were in town for 7-10 days for post-Olympia photo shoots. I said to Leroy, "brother head over to the Pro Shop and grab whatever you want. Wave to me when you're ready and I'll take care of it."
15 minutes later Leroy waves to me and I walk over. Sitting on the counter he has (2) sweat shirts, (2) tank tops and (2) tee shirts. I smiled and said, "Leroy my man, we have lots of cool stuff, leather jackets, hats, embroidered logo shirts and pants. Come on man, we (Golds) want you wearing our stuff. "
I managed to talk him into a couple leather jackets, 5 sweatshirts, 5 tee shirts, 5 tank tops, a couple hats, and a good size stack of Gold's gym shorts and pants.
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Leroy! Leroy was the coolest and he had no idea what cool even was.
Dorian and Leroy were at Golds Venice after winning the 1995 O. They were in town for 7-10 days for post-Olympia photo shoots. I said to Leroy, "brother head over to the Pro Shop and grab whatever you want. Wave to me when you're ready and I'll take care of it."
15 minutes later Leroy waves to me and I walk over. Sitting on the counter he has (2) sweat shirts, (2) tank tops and (2) tee shirts. I smiled and said, "Leroy my man, we have lots of cool stuff, leather jackets, hats, embroidered logo shirts and pants. Come on man, we (Golds) want you wearing our stuff. "
I managed to talk him into a couple leather jackets, 5 sweatshirts, 5 tee shirts, 5 tank tops, a couple hats, and a good size stack of Gold's gym shorts and pants.
that was very cool of u to hook leroy up, he seems like a good dude. i watch blood and guts alot
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LMAO nothing photoshop can't cure , I bet he shows this pic to his ' clients ' to show he was legit ::)
Jason Statham?
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back in the 80,s i remember i got done done training with MRS OLYMPIA CARLA DUNLOP one morning n when i was in locker room i musta found about 10 ciba-geigy dbols on the floor, i picked em up and cleaned them off n took em ;)
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DY, recently, september 1st, 2014 :
(https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10678815_10152313223781339_6069280537626556743_n.jpg?oh=8f164c787b31c016bed3d8060edff256&oe=5487D829)
(https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10603616_793214180730855_2308767807925989678_n.jpg?oh=c218f719caba05783c65b33b00162580&oe=545CA4DF)
(with his woman, Gal Ferreira Yates)
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Didnt Dorian bounce ideas with Boressen?
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I agree . This guy said he tried every combo known to man and never got over 170lbs (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=549122.0;attach=577365;image)
Dan D had an article where he said he talked to Dorian around 1991 about GH use and said Dorian was using less than most guys and said he was too scared to use more.
Who really knows but out of all the top 90's guys no-one looks better than Dorian right now the rest are small or nothing. Alq Gurley who looked 25 when he was 50 looks good. Lee Priest looks good too, still big. Labrada looks very good. But of the Mass Monsters no-one looks anything except Dorian.
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For me the only disapointment with Dorian is his bussines sense. When he retired at 1997, if he had launched his line then and push it harder, he would be a giant right now like Optimum, BSN, or Gaspari. Instead he just allowed his hame to be used by a supplement line called 'Dorian Yate Approved' which was a complete flop.
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Dan D had an article where he said he talked to Dorian around 1991 about GH use and said Dorian was using less than most guys and said he was too scared to use more.
Who really knows but out of all the top 90's guys no-one looks better than Dorian right now the rest are small or nothing. Alq Gurley who looked 25 when he was 50 looks good. Lee Priest looks good too, still big. Labrada looks very good. But of the Mass Monsters no-one looks anything except Dorian.
Well, many of them stopped everything after retire going HRT route, some stopped even training... Priest still juicing big time, Labrada still juicing, Yates still juicing... Admittedly though, Yates looks very good, healthy and in shape... The GH story is obviously bullshit, imo...
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Well, many of them stopped everything after retire going HRT route, some stopped even training... Priest still juicing big time, Labrada still juicing, Yates still juicing... Admittedly though, Yates looks very good, healthy and in shape... The GH story is obviously bullshit, imo...
You guys forget that yates looked like shit during rhe early-mid 2000s.... he took a lot of time off... its been innthe last 4-5 yearsbthat he started training and lookingndecent again
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Only time he gad completely off was for surgeries, he's looked good since he retired, somtimes smaller and ripped, sometimes beefy n full
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For me the only disapointment with Dorian is his bussines sense. When he retired at 1997, if he had launched his line then and push it harder, he would be a giant right now like Optimum, BSN, or Gaspari. Instead he just allowed his hame to be used by a supplement line called 'Dorian Yate Approved' which was a complete flop.
Agreed. But now he has his Dorian Yates supplement line, hopefully it does well for him. One thing though is he needs to get more distributors in the US to carry it.
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Agreed. But now he has his Dorian Yates supplement line, hopefully it does well for him. One thing though is he needs to get more distributors in the US to carry it.
Edit: just saw on his facebook that DY supps are coming to the US and bodybuilding.com soon.
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You guys forget that yates looked like shit during rhe early-mid 2000s.... he took a lot of time off... its been innthe last 4-5 yearsbthat he started training and lookingndecent again
For the drug abuse he endured and the way he looked in 1997, sure he worked well to look like this today... Looks young, healthy, in shape and muscular... Of course he's juicing but still...
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Only time he gad completely off was for surgeries, he's looked good since he retired, somtimes smaller and ripped, sometimes beefy n full
Around the time he got face punched and had the black eye, he looked pretty much average.
He looks phenomenal now though. Dude is a machine. Hes the only BB in historynto REVERSE polumboism.
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Around the time he got face punched and had the black eye, he looked pretty much average.
He looks phenomenal now though. Dude is a machine. Hes the only BB in historynto REVERSE polumboism.
I'm not sure when he was ' small ' this was in 2000 I believe looked still huge to me
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I'm not sure when he was ' small ' this was in 2000 I believe looked still huge to me
My timeline may have been a bit off...
Like i said, around black eye face punch time, where Hulkster always used to post that pic with the tray full of cups at the expo
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yates looking lean and mean, still solid
DY, recently, september 1st, 2014 :
(https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10678815_10152313223781339_6069280537626556743_n.jpg?oh=8f164c787b31c016bed3d8060edff256&oe=5487D829)
(https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10603616_793214180730855_2308767807925989678_n.jpg?oh=c218f719caba05783c65b33b00162580&oe=545CA4DF)
(with his woman, Gal Ferreira Yates)
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Either that, or you're simply lying. Again.
lying again? think i give a fuck if some joke like u thinks im lying, hahaha. yes u r a joke
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Hardly any of the early 90's guys had gurus... They all did it on there own, now even the gurus have gurus...
I remember a few yr back taking the piss on one of the UK boards when a well known 'expert' was training and prepping guys and was getting his own prep done off somone else?
Didn't Flex Wheeler have a guru?
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Didn't Flex Wheeler have a guru?
Flex Wheeler couldn't tie his shoes without a helping hand.
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Didn't Flex Wheeler have a guru?
The Chad
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Didn't Flex Wheeler have a guru?
Joe McNeal (McNeil) was the one that got him peeled for 92/93. Seem like it was some extreme stuff and he mentioned that he was having kidney and or health issues back then.
Then Chad. He had recommended Joe to Dex as well.
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Joe McNeal (McNeil) was the one that got him peeled for 92/93. Seem like it was some extreme stuff and he mentioned that he was having kidney and or health issues back then.
Then Chad. He had recommended Joe to Dex as well.
Should have stuck with Joe. Why fix it if it ain't broke?
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Didn't Flex Wheeler have a guru?
As has been said, flex wasnt the sharpest tool in the box, and he often had unfortunate incidents such as the ninja attack etc..
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Should have stuck with Joe. Why fix it if it ain't broke?
Maybe, and maybe he might not have lasted as long as he did. It was the accident that did him in. After that his confidence was "shook".
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so charles glass just helped flex with his weight training then? glass wasnt involved with the dieting part or was he?
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so charles glass just helped flex with his weight training then? glass wasnt involved with the dieting part or was he?
He may have helped here and there, but I think Charles Glass was more trainer than "prep coach" aka guru.
If you look at the bbers from the 90s vs today, it seems like the "gurus" back then got the bbers in better shape than today. Even run of the mill bbers like Patrick Lynn, Derrick Whitsett, Milos, or Michio Grubbs look better than many of the top finishers of today.
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He may have helped here and there, but I think Charles Glass was more trainer than "prep coach" aka guru.
If you look at the bbers from the 90s vs today, it seems like the "gurus" back then got the bbers in better shape than today. Even run of the mill bbers like Patrick Lynn, Derrick Whitsett, Milos, or Michio Grubbs look better than many of the top finishers of today.
i remember derrick(RIP) really great guy, used to help me with my training alot free of charge,he was great to have around everyday in the gym. man his back was sick,unreal back
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Father and son, recently :
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Father and son, recently :
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t31.0-8/10658665_10152320643296339_6062605604528098272_o.jpg)
his sons pretty big,he has some of dads genes ;)
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Father and son, recently :
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This gym is bad.as.s. I can imagine the muscle pump one could get working out there. No stupid corporate gym equipment. Just lost of iron.
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This gym is bad.as.s. I can imagine the muscle pump one could get working out there. No stupid corporate gym equipment. Just lost of iron.
looks alot like the dungeon i trained at most my life in jersey,i love that type of gym
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looks alot like the dungeon i trained at most my life in jersey,i love that type of gym
X2..STRONG AND SHAPLEY WAS MORE STATE OF THE ART,MACHINES ON TOP OF LATEST MACHINES,BOHNHAM WAS GOOD GUY,,,
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Dorian had no guru, no trainer, no social media to hype himself, nothing, the guy even left his home at 15 year old, having a real job in a factory, no gay for pay, prostitution or shit like that.
Today's bodybuilders are a joke, I still remember Phil Heath being interview at last year's Olympia, the chick asked him why he can't stand up and he told her that his guru had him sitting for at least three hours.........
big ramy does everything alone too so what?!..
;D ;D :P ;D ;D