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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: BodyConnoisseur on September 17, 2014, 12:28:20 AM
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So words going around on facebook 4 of Matt Porters clients were hospitalized and 1 died due to DNP. Details still very vague but I heard the kid was following directions given to him. His kidneys failed and he died
From Noel Fullers FB, Him and Matt have had a known rivalry
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Fuller is a phagot anyway. Comes on here and offers no advice except to try and brag about his "clients"
oh brother
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why would a person risk fucking with shit,just diet harder n take some cytomel and clen if u need to go that route
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Fuller is a phagot anyway. Comes on here and offers no advice except to try and brag about his "clients"
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Gotta disagree man. Talked with him quite a bit, was very helpful, my wife and I both wound up hiring him because of that, he took us on for a combined rate of next to nothing compared to what others charge, and hes been extremely good to work with.
P(Neither of us are competing, i wanted to get down to ~10ish% and my wife was interested in getting into quasi-bikini shape).
We both burned out after dieting for so long and needed a fresh direction and ideas to change things up. I dont regret it at all.
You just have to deal with him one on one, dude is one of the busiest guys ive ever talked to, he runs his own gym, works 7 days a week, sometimes 12 hrs a day training people and getting clients ready to compete.
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why would a person risk fucking with shit,just diet harder n take some cytomel and clen if u need to go that route
Lol, did you really need to ask that?
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Heard the doctor cut off 1 of his limbs in order to save him, but that still wasn't enough
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Another proof that "bodybuilding" or whatever the fuck you want to call it, is nothing more than a drug infested lifestyle.
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Another proof that "bodybuilding" or whatever the fuck you want to call it, is nothing more than a drug infested lifestyle.
Agreed
Bodybuilding is a pharmaceutical experiment with an element of lifting weights and some food alterations thrown in.
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damm....
thats rough
So what happened his kidneys just failed? or was there a preexisting problem?
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damm....
thats rough
So what happened his kidneys just failed? or was there a preexisting problem?
As DNP is a poison, organ failure kicks in.
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Who even still takes DNP?? Do competitors still even use this shit? It's not even necessary
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As DNP is a poison, organ failure kicks in.
Body temp climbs until the internal organs fry and shut down.
Horrible way to die.
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damm....
thats rough
So what happened his kidneys just failed? or was there a preexisting problem?
Lots of details unknown, full scenario still unclear
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Who even still takes DNP?? Do competitors still even use this shit? It's not even necessary
It's use is still pretty common just in low doses
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Another proof that "bodybuilding" or whatever the fuck you want to call it, is nothing more than a drug infested lifestyle.
So what brings you here champ?
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dont mess with that stuff...
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DNP was hot in the 90's 'literally'lol,,you have to be crazy to take that stuff.DIET...
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It figures, the trainers who preach low doses and taking a "healthy" approach to bodybuilding always seem to be prescribe the biggest stacks. I saw a stack MassiveG wrote for a 185lb competitor and it made my head spin
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This British Med student died not long ago from the DNP, doesn't train just wanted to be skinny.
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67177000/jpg/_67177127_satah_houston.jpg)
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This British Med student died not long ago from the DNP, doesn't train just wanted to be skinny.
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67177000/jpg/_67177127_satah_houston.jpg)
Mission accomplished.
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Heard the doctor cut off 1 of his limbs in order to save him, but that still wasn't enough
Yea....its a bad situation. I was going to talk to him today about some things but I'm just going to put it on hold for now
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Agreed
Bodybuilding is a pharmaceutical experiment with an element of lifting weights and some food alterations thrown in.
A very profound statement right there.
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This British Med student died not long ago from the DNP, doesn't train just wanted to be skinny.
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67177000/jpg/_67177127_satah_houston.jpg)
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So words going around on facebook 4 of Matt Porters clients were hospitalized and 1 died due to DNP. Details still very vague but I heard the kid was following directions given to him. His kidneys failed and he died
From Noel Fullers FB, Him and Matt have had a known rivalry
Matt Porters should be charged with a crime for this.
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Matt Porters should be charged with a crime for this.
He needs to lawyer up
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Who even still takes DNP?? Do competitors still even use this shit? It's not even necessary
I heard a lot of middle eastern guys like DNP. This is obviously unconfirmed on my end, but from what I've heard the high-carb "gurus" like to use DNP, which makes sense.
I like going low carb and catching up with ECA if I'm behind. I agree, DNP is completely unnecessary. So many safer(ish) alternatives such as t3 (is still dangerous if misused) and clen (the worst I've heard is cramps, but if they get bad enough it'll cramp your heart :-\ ).
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Wow, I liked Matt, thought he was a good dude and personal trainer/ contest prep. DNP is some dangerous toxic shit, didn't think he would fuck around with it.
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no details on how much they used and for how long.
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I heard a lot of middle eastern guys like DNP. This is obviously unconfirmed on my end, but from what I've heard the high-carb "gurus" like to use DNP, which makes sense.
I like going low carb and catching up with ECA if I'm behind. I agree, DNP is completely unnecessary. So many safer(ish) alternatives such as t3 (is still dangerous if misused) and clen (the worst I've heard is cramps, but if they get bad enough it'll cramp your heart :-\ ).
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Yes, but only because its more readily available and easier to get in that country....also cheaper. Their bodies can also withstand higher amounts of heat although a lot of them still end up killing themselves.
ECA stack with a touch of yohimbe is all you really need along with dieting. DNP is a shortcut way and quite dangerous....even if it doesn't kill you, its still fucking up your heart, liver, and kidneys for future issues
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Eh, no sympathies. If you're an adult and you're being brainwashed to stick crap into your body by a personal trainer so you can win a plastic trophy, and as a result you die (or are seriously injured or hurt), well, that's evolution doing its job :)
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Eh, no sympathies. If you're an adult and you're being brainwashed to stick crap into your body by a personal trainer so you can win a plastic trophy, and as a result you die (or are seriously injured or hurt), well, that's evolution doing its job :)
Depends on how knowledgable they were...I would imagine most people put total trust in their trainer.
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Depends on how knowledgable they were...I would imagine most people put total trust in their trainer.
Either way, they know what they are taking are drugs. Live by the drug, die by the drug.
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isnt DNP one of the ingredients in dynamite?
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Agreed
Bodybuilding is a pharmaceutical experiment with an element of lifting weights and some food alterations thrown in.
agreed,bodybuilding back in the 70,s and 80,s and even 90,s was about using drugs to aid your training,now its about using training to aid your drug usage.these guys need to get there priorities back in check and stop being wreckless and dumb
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isnt DNP one of the ingredients in dynamite?
Its a pesticide, i know that.
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isnt DNP one of the ingredients in dynamite?
I read somewhere its a byproduct of dynamite. Supposedly coal miners got serious lung issues and overheating from inhaling the DNP in the mines.
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When i first heard about DNP in the 90s i was told it was derived from creosote.
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Dieting aid
DNP was used extensively in diet pills from 1933 to 1938 after Cutting and Tainter at Stanford University made their first report on the drug's ability to greatly increase metabolic rate.[3][4] After only its first year on the market Tainter estimated that probably at least 100,000 persons had been treated with DNP in the United States, in addition to many others abroad.[5] DNP acts as a protonophore, allowing protons to leak across the inner mitochondrial membrane and thus bypass ATP synthase. This makes ATP energy production less efficient. In effect, part of the energy that is normally produced from cellular respiration is wasted as heat. The inefficiency is proportional to the dose of DNP that is taken. As the dose increases and energy production is made more inefficient, metabolic rate increases (and more fat is burned) in order to compensate for the inefficiency and meet energy demands. DNP is probably the best known agent for uncoupling oxidative phosphorylation. The production or "phosphorylation" of ATP by ATP synthase gets disconnected or "uncoupled" from oxidation.
The factor that limits ever-increasing doses of DNP is not a lack of ATP energy production, but rather an excessive rise in body temperature due to the heat produced during uncoupling. Accordingly, DNP overdose will cause fatal hyperthermia. In light of this, when it was used clinically, the dose was slowly titrated according to personal tolerance, which varies greatly.[6]
Case reports have shown that an acute administration of 20–50 mg/kg in humans can be lethal.[7] Concerns about dangerous side-effects and rapidly developing cataracts resulted in DNP being discontinued in the United States by the end of 1938. DNP, however, continues to be used by some bodybuilders and athletes to rapidly lose body fat. Fatal overdoses are rare, but are still reported on occasion. These include cases of accidental exposure,[8] suicide,[7][9][10] and excessive intentional exposure.[9][11][12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,4-Dinitrophenol#Dieting_aid
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Matt Porters should be charged with a crime for this.
Completely disagree.
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Eh, no sympathies. If you're an adult and you're being brainwashed to stick crap into your body by a personal trainer so you can win a plastic trophy, and as a result you die (or are seriously injured or hurt), well, that's evolution doing its job :)
That's what's so disturbing, they do all that shit and for what? A fucking plastic trophy and a shitty prize at best.
Sickness is what it is.
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Completely disagree.
drug dealers usually are help culpable
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That's what's so disturbing, they do all that shit and for what? A fucking plastic trophy and a shitty prize at best.
Sickness is what it is.
level up in the schmoe world
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back in the 90's a jersey pro bodybuilder got in some deep trouble cause he sold a dude some NUBAIN,its like liquid heroin and the dude died,inside his(dead guys) pocket they found a paper saying i owe such and such this much money for the nubain :o
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Another proof that "bodybuilding" or whatever the fuck you want to call it, is nothing more than a drug infested lifestyle.
That's probably true for a great many lifters, & also a good few other sports / activities.
A sign of the times & attitude we now live in.
Hard work & a long game replaced by Must have Now... Instant results.
With little Knowledge.
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back in the 90's a jersey pro bodybuilder got in some deep trouble cause he sold a dude some NUBAIN,its like liquid heroin and the dude died,inside his(dead guys) pocket they found a paper saying i owe such and such this much money for the nubain :o
LOL! Imagine having to write that down. These days he would have just texted it to himself.
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Completely disagree.
You don't think he played a role in the death of his client?
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You don't think he played a role in the death of his client?
We're dealing with illegal drugs here and in this case literally a poison. They knew the risks. People need to accept responsibility for the illegal drugs and poisons they choose to put in their own body.
Damn near everyone in the bbing world knows dnp is dangerous. They played dice - one crapped out. Its fucking sad but they made their choice.
I don't want anyone to get into any legal trouble - not the users or the guru who recommended it.
Individual responsibility.
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back in the 90's a jersey pro bodybuilder got in some deep trouble cause he sold a dude some NUBAIN,its like liquid heroin and the dude died,inside his(dead guys) pocket they found a paper saying i owe such and such this much money for the nubain :o
no way is nubain anything like 'liquid heroin". no way.
secondly, you can't OD on nubain. you can shoot the entire 10cc bottle IV and not die, much less experience any 'greater' effect than shooting 1cc.
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He needs to lawyer up
I doubt it.
first thing I do is have a client (client who'll be using PED's anyways) sign a non-disclosure agreement as well as a waiver stating that they're aware that I'm not a doctor and in no way hold myself out to the public as a medical professional and I cannot and do not prescribe .. blah blah blah... and that it is their own personal responsibility to seek the advice of a medical professional regarding use of performance enhancing drugs.... among other things.
.. for situations just like this one.
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matt porter...
Hopefully this will be my only response on this issue.
1 year ago the trainer starting these rumors threatened to do anything to take me down when I regrettably called him out on MD forums (this was an isolated incident) for claiming a client who didn't use his nutrition advice. It was really nothing, but gave him reason to unleash his wrath on me. Remaining neutral, never ranting, or speaking ill of others and staying positive is something I pride myself on. All the while he has still continuously for over 12 months slammed me any way, shape or form via social media, forums, others in person, harassing my clients...etc..
Regarding Robert, who passed recently -- I trained him for 8 weeks before the Oregon State Championships. I 100% ASSURE everyone the plan he was given did not include DNP, nor T3 or even doing much cardio AT ALL. He worked construction, and wasn't on very low carbs etc.. He was using whatever supplements he was comfortable with prior to working with me and told me he was staying on the same supplement plan he had been doing on his own. After he did the contest, we lost contact for 2 months. He was on his own and I had not heard from him. I was contacted by someone close to him about his well being the day before this tragedy took place, and sadly again when he passed.
I care greatly for my clients and care more about how my clients feel than myself. As a coach I always believe health comes first.
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matt porter...
Likely story
I sense bullshit.
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DNP is poison- who would ever use it? stupid
T3 /t4 is dangerous too- can shut down your own thyroid and you'll be on thyroxine for life
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no way is nubain anything like 'liquid heroin". no way.
secondly, you can't OD on nubain. you can shoot the entire 10cc bottle IV and not die, much less experience any 'greater' effect than shooting 1cc.
I was going to say.... I thought Nubain was not an opiate, i thought it was something completely different.
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DNP is poison- who would ever use it? stupid
T3 /t4 is dangerous too- can shut down your own thyroid and you'll be on thyroxine for life
there have been studies showing recovery of the natural thyroid output after a few weeks cessation of long term use.
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but have these studies looked @ doses BB's use?
you got a link to these studies big ro?
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I doubt it.
first thing I do is have a client (client who'll be using PED's anyways) sign a non-disclosure agreement as well as a waiver stating that they're aware that I'm not a doctor and in no way hold myself out to the public as a medical professional and I cannot and do not prescribe .. blah blah blah... and that it is their own personal responsibility to seek the advice of a medical professional regarding use of performance enhancing drugs.... among other things.
.. for situations just like this one.
Good luck thinking that will work.
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Competitive bodybuilding has become something much different than what I perceived it to be when I caught the bug some 30-odd years ago.
It's simply not worth it.
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Competitive bodybuilding has become something much different than what I perceived it to be when I caught the bug some 30-odd years ago.
It's simply not worth it.
Yes but u gotta admit it's pretty intriguing seeing all these guys die from organ failures left and right from abusing all kinds of drugs
Wonder who's next on that dead list??
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Fuller is a phagot anyway. Comes on here and offers no advice except to try and brag about his "clients"
oh brother
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I too have heard that Fuller has a few discrepancies on his heterosexual record
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but have these studies looked @ doses BB's use?
you got a link to these studies big ro?
wise bodybuilders dont use high doses of T3
I will look for it again.
A little rationalization there big guy?
nothing wrong with being rational ;) I dont be on it year round though.
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shocking that anyone still uses t3/clen/dnp anymore after the publication of the galeniko/no one book
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I have to figure that it is user error or bad sourcing, or both. I have seen a decent number of people use it with little trouble other than standard discomfort. The ones that were successful were very precise and modest in the dosing. Now I've seen people upping it little by little every year or doing things like laddering it.
I also wonder about sourcing now too? Back years ago, the stuff usually came through reputable chemical suppliers, now I wonder if it's much like steroids, where the lines have been blurred.
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shocking that anyone still uses t3/clen/dnp anymore after the publication of the galeniko/no one book
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