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Re: Competitor Died
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2014, 08:31:30 AM »
Who even still takes DNP?? Do competitors still even use this shit? It's not even necessary

I heard a lot of middle eastern guys like DNP. This is obviously unconfirmed on my end, but from what I've heard the high-carb "gurus" like to use DNP, which makes sense.
I like going low carb and catching up with ECA if I'm behind. I agree, DNP is completely unnecessary. So many safer(ish) alternatives such as t3 (is still dangerous if misused) and clen (the worst I've heard is cramps, but if they get bad enough it'll cramp your heart  :-\ ).

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« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2014, 08:45:07 AM »
Wow, I liked Matt, thought he was a good dude and personal trainer/ contest prep. DNP is some dangerous toxic shit, didn't think he would fuck around with it.

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« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2014, 08:54:10 AM »
no details on how much they used and for how long.

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Re: Competitor Died
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2014, 09:01:14 AM »
I heard a lot of middle eastern guys like DNP. This is obviously unconfirmed on my end, but from what I've heard the high-carb "gurus" like to use DNP, which makes sense.
I like going low carb and catching up with ECA if I'm behind. I agree, DNP is completely unnecessary. So many safer(ish) alternatives such as t3 (is still dangerous if misused) and clen (the worst I've heard is cramps, but if they get bad enough it'll cramp your heart  :-\ ).
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Yes, but only because its more readily available and easier to get in that country....also cheaper.  Their bodies can also withstand higher amounts of heat although a lot of them still end up killing themselves.


ECA stack with a touch of yohimbe is all you really need along with dieting.  DNP is a shortcut way and quite dangerous....even if it doesn't kill you, its still fucking up your heart, liver, and kidneys for future issues
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Re: Competitor Died
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2014, 09:33:37 AM »
Eh, no sympathies. If you're an adult and you're being brainwashed to stick crap into your body by a personal trainer so you can win a plastic trophy, and as a result you die (or are seriously injured or hurt), well, that's evolution doing its job :)
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« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2014, 10:41:46 AM »
Eh, no sympathies. If you're an adult and you're being brainwashed to stick crap into your body by a personal trainer so you can win a plastic trophy, and as a result you die (or are seriously injured or hurt), well, that's evolution doing its job :)

Depends on how knowledgable they were...I would imagine most people put total trust in their trainer.

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« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2014, 10:43:07 AM »
Depends on how knowledgable they were...I would imagine most people put total trust in their trainer.

Either way, they know what they are taking are drugs. Live by the drug, die by the drug.
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Re: Competitor Died
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2014, 10:44:51 AM »
isnt DNP one of the ingredients in dynamite? 

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« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2014, 10:47:13 AM »
Agreed

Bodybuilding is a pharmaceutical experiment with an element of lifting weights and some food alterations thrown in.

agreed,bodybuilding back in the 70,s and 80,s and even 90,s was about using drugs to aid your training,now its about using training to aid your drug usage.these guys need to get there priorities back in check and stop being wreckless and dumb
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Re: Competitor Died
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2014, 10:51:33 AM »
isnt DNP one of the ingredients in dynamite? 
Its a pesticide, i know that.

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« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2014, 10:51:51 AM »
isnt DNP one of the ingredients in dynamite? 

I read somewhere its a byproduct of dynamite. Supposedly coal miners got serious lung issues and overheating from inhaling the DNP in the mines.

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« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2014, 10:54:22 AM »
When i first heard about DNP in the 90s i was told it was derived from creosote.

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« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2014, 11:01:15 AM »
Dieting aid

DNP was used extensively in diet pills from 1933 to 1938 after Cutting and Tainter at Stanford University made their first report on the drug's ability to greatly increase metabolic rate.[3][4] After only its first year on the market Tainter estimated that probably at least 100,000 persons had been treated with DNP in the United States, in addition to many others abroad.[5] DNP acts as a protonophore, allowing protons to leak across the inner mitochondrial membrane and thus bypass ATP synthase. This makes ATP energy production less efficient. In effect, part of the energy that is normally produced from cellular respiration is wasted as heat. The inefficiency is proportional to the dose of DNP that is taken. As the dose increases and energy production is made more inefficient, metabolic rate increases (and more fat is burned) in order to compensate for the inefficiency and meet energy demands. DNP is probably the best known agent for uncoupling oxidative phosphorylation. The production or "phosphorylation" of ATP by ATP synthase gets disconnected or "uncoupled" from oxidation.

The factor that limits ever-increasing doses of DNP is not a lack of ATP energy production, but rather an excessive rise in body temperature due to the heat produced during uncoupling. Accordingly, DNP overdose will cause fatal hyperthermia. In light of this, when it was used clinically, the dose was slowly titrated according to personal tolerance, which varies greatly.[6]

Case reports have shown that an acute administration of 20–50 mg/kg in humans can be lethal.[7] Concerns about dangerous side-effects and rapidly developing cataracts resulted in DNP being discontinued in the United States by the end of 1938. DNP, however, continues to be used by some bodybuilders and athletes to rapidly lose body fat. Fatal overdoses are rare, but are still reported on occasion. These include cases of accidental exposure,[8] suicide,[7][9][10] and excessive intentional exposure.[9][11][12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,4-Dinitrophenol#Dieting_aid

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« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2014, 11:01:32 AM »
Matt Porters should be charged with a crime for this.

Completely disagree.

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Re: Competitor Died
« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2014, 11:47:40 AM »
Eh, no sympathies. If you're an adult and you're being brainwashed to stick crap into your body by a personal trainer so you can win a plastic trophy, and as a result you die (or are seriously injured or hurt), well, that's evolution doing its job :)

That's what's so disturbing, they do all that shit and for what? A fucking plastic trophy and a shitty prize at best.

Sickness is what it is.

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« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2014, 11:47:58 AM »
Completely disagree.



drug dealers usually are help culpable

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« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2014, 11:49:12 AM »
That's what's so disturbing, they do all that shit and for what? A fucking plastic trophy and a shitty prize at best.

Sickness is what it is.

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Re: Competitor Died
« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2014, 11:51:49 AM »
back in the 90's a jersey pro bodybuilder got in some deep trouble cause he sold a dude some NUBAIN,its like liquid heroin and the dude died,inside his(dead guys) pocket they found a paper saying i owe such and such this much money for the nubain :o
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Re: Competitor Died
« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2014, 11:56:42 AM »
Another proof that "bodybuilding" or whatever the fuck you want to call it, is nothing more than a drug infested lifestyle.














That's probably true for a great many lifters, & also a good few other sports / activities.
A sign of the times & attitude we now live in.
Hard work & a long game replaced by Must have Now... Instant results.
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Re: Competitor Died
« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2014, 12:05:24 PM »
back in the 90's a jersey pro bodybuilder got in some deep trouble cause he sold a dude some NUBAIN,its like liquid heroin and the dude died,inside his(dead guys) pocket they found a paper saying i owe such and such this much money for the nubain :o

LOL!  Imagine having to write that down.  These days he would have just texted it to himself.

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« Reply #45 on: September 17, 2014, 12:09:34 PM »
Completely disagree.



You don't think he played a role in the death of his client?

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« Reply #46 on: September 17, 2014, 12:16:55 PM »
You don't think he played a role in the death of his client?

We're dealing with illegal drugs here and in this case literally a poison. They knew the risks. People need to accept responsibility for the illegal drugs and poisons they choose to put in their own body.

Damn near everyone in the bbing world knows dnp is dangerous. They played dice - one crapped out. Its fucking sad but they made their choice.

I don't want anyone to get into any legal trouble - not the users or the guru who recommended it.

Individual responsibility.
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Re: Competitor Died
« Reply #47 on: September 17, 2014, 02:46:06 PM »
back in the 90's a jersey pro bodybuilder got in some deep trouble cause he sold a dude some NUBAIN,its like liquid heroin and the dude died,inside his(dead guys) pocket they found a paper saying i owe such and such this much money for the nubain :o

no way is nubain anything like 'liquid heroin". no way.

secondly, you can't OD on nubain. you can shoot the entire 10cc bottle IV and not die, much less experience any 'greater' effect than shooting 1cc.

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« Reply #48 on: September 17, 2014, 02:49:39 PM »
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« Reply #49 on: September 17, 2014, 02:51:17 PM »

He needs to lawyer up

I doubt it.

first thing I do is have a client (client who'll be using PED's anyways) sign a non-disclosure agreement as well as a waiver stating that they're aware that I'm not a doctor and in no way hold myself out to the public as a medical professional and I cannot and do not prescribe .. blah blah blah... and that it is their own personal responsibility to seek the advice of a medical professional regarding use of performance enhancing drugs.... among other things.

.. for situations just like this one.