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I remember when I was younger I used to fear losing gains, i.e. "not overdo cardio", "always have an animal protein source for every dish", chug protein drinks within the 30 min anabolic window etc oh brother ::)
Of course it's all in the head, but it was more like a psychological torture to skip a workout day or being below caloric breakeven.
The permabulker is nothing more but this same person, but who never outgrows this mentality.
Does this sound familiar or did you avoid this trap from the beginning of your venture into the world of bodybuild?
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I remember when I was younger I used to fear losing gains, i.e. "not overdo cardio", "always have an animal protein source for every dish", chug protein drinks within the 30 min anabolic window etc oh brother ::)
Of course it's all in the head, but it was more like a psychological torture to skip a workout day or being below caloric breakeven.
The permabulker is nothing more but this same person, but who never outgrows this mentality.
Does this sound familiar or did you avoid this trap from the beginning of your venture into the world of bodybuild?
Nah, I did similar things too (and still do to an extent).
For instance, if I missed my post workout shake for some reason, I would become depressed and think that my entire workout had gone to waste. ;D
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cardio and eating clean actually enhances gains
you get leaner and bigger at the same time
the downside is it takes a lot of hard work and dedication
it's easier to do a few ego reps with too much weight, not do any cardio and stuffyourself with garbage food
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Let's face it. Most get involved with bodybuilding because of being insecure. When a guy is perma bulker he looks good in a tee shirt. That's all he wants is to be thought of as a big strong man. If he tries to get ripped and into good condition it kills his ego to get small even though it's healthier and you look way better when the the shirt comes off. Does a guy want to give the appearance of looking "big" at 205lbs or really get into condition and be a ripped 175lbs? Most choose to stay at 205lbs.
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Let's face it. Most get involved with bodybuilding because of being insecure. When a guy is perma bulker he looks good in a tee shirt. That's all he wants is to be thought of as a big strong man. If he tries to get ripped and into good condition it kills his ego to get small even though it's healthier and you look way better when the the shirt comes off. Does a guy want to give the appearance of looking "big" at 205lbs or really get into condition and be a ripped 175lbs? Most choose to stay at 205lbs.
u hit nail on head about EGO, the thought of not lifting as much cause of the dieting phase and not filling out your sleeve shirts when dieting can overwhelm a person. it happened to me but once i got hard and realized this is awesome it was easy from there on. is it me or when a permabulker is cutting down he will go thru a month period of looking flat n horrible before he starts to look really really tight n hard?
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Let's face it. Most get involved with bodybuilding because of being insecure. When a guy is perma bulker he looks good in a tee shirt. That's all he wants is to be thought of as a big strong man. If he tries to get ripped and into good condition it kills his ego to get small even though it's healthier and you look way better when the the shirt comes off. Does a guy want to give the appearance of looking "big" at 205lbs or really get into condition and be a ripped 175lbs? Most choose to stay at 205lbs.
175lbs is pathetically small
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cardio and eating clean actually enhances gains
you get leaner and bigger at the same time
the downside is it takes a lot of hard work and dedication
it's easier to do a few ego reps with too much weight, not do any cardio and stuffyourself with garbage food
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agree
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And then there's the Permadrugger.
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agree
i agree also, its hard as hell day in and day out dieting hard and then training hard on top of it all when carbs r low,its sweet when u can go to gym and throw up some weight and not worry about your diet when u get home,but being in shape is worth the effort and its a great feeling to look back and admire what u did with your body and know all the sacrifice was worth every inch of it
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i agree also, its hard as hell day in and day out dieting hard and then training hard on top of it all when carbs r low,its sweet when u can go to gym and throw up some weight and not worry about your diet when u get home,but being in shape is worth the effort and its a great feeling to look back and admire what u did with your body and know all the sacrifice was worth every inch of it
bulking up with clean food is a hard task as well
shoveling down all that clean food is not funny
and of course preparing it all day after day
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:o ::) ;D i think he's ready for the leaning phase now, or at least in the next few monthes...
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:o ::) ;D i think he's ready for the leaning phase now, or at least in the next few monthes...
anthony passed away(rip) a year or 2 ago, he was from my neck of the woods,knew his mom real well and she is a great lady
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im dieting right now
i wish i was stuffing myself with food
you realise how much fun it is to eat in abundance and train when you are starving and struggling to keep your poundages up :-\
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im dieting right now
i wish i was stuffing myself with food
you realise how much fun it is to eat in abundance and train when you are starving and struggling to keep your poundages up :-\
just eatmore and add an hour of cardio a day
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im dieting right now
i wish i was stuffing myself with food
you realise how much fun it is to eat in abundance and train when you are starving and struggling to keep your poundages up :-\
You can stop the diet straight away, you are a fat pig on your inside who can't wait to jump face-first into a food buffet again.
You would not have to diet in the first place if you had the right long term mindset on dieting, you disgusting fat animal.
You are weak, you do not even get the most simple part of lifting right, the diet.
Why do you even bother training?
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I was a skinny little runt 27 years ago when I started training. I've put on nearly 100 pounds of mostly muscle since then through heavy training and big eating - despite having genetics that are average at best.
I've never worried about "dieting" or "abs" - being reasonably lean by normal human standards and having a flat stomach with one ab and decent waist / shoulder ratio are good enough for me.
I do a bit of cardio for cardiovascular health, and it has a side effect of keeping bodyfat down. If I ate only chicken and rice and egg whites and oatmeal for any length of time I'd look like a marathon runner IMO and feel like shit as well.
Of course I'm a "fat fuck" by bodybuilding / fitness standards, but I'm far leaner (and much more muscular) than most men my age. Good enough for me - life is too short to live on tuna and lettuce.
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I remember when I was younger I used to fear losing gains, i.e. "not overdo cardio", "always have an animal protein source for every dish", chug protein drinks within the 30 min anabolic window etc oh brother ::)
Of course it's all in the head, but it was more like a psychological torture to skip a workout day or being below caloric breakeven.
The permabulker is nothing more but this same person, but who never outgrows this mentality.
Does this sound familiar or did you avoid this trap from the beginning of your venture into the world of bodybuild?
I think who you described is someone who's a 100% dedicated to their gains, covers all the bases, all that shit. dedicated but unnecessarily so.
what we know here given pretty frank and open discuss ik that's gone a long way to educating people that all that shit doesnt matter. the body doesn't use protein at any one time. there is no anabolic window. you can gain tissue in a deficit. no matter how optimal your diet avd training as a natty your gonna hit a point of zero return.
once you start to open your eyes to this, it becomes a lot more enjoyable pursuit. you realise fuck I can live a totally normal life, train and still look great. that's what it's abt. not eating every 2.5 hrs had getting your 33grms of protein on cause that shit don't make an iota of difference.
when I think 'permabulker' I think of a guy who is fat. cause that's what he is. he carries fat that he feels makes him 'big' that's his holy grail. he's tried to diet but lost too much size. the cardio ate his legs. his diet was opintimal. he lose too much tissue. bullshit. he realised he has a lot of fat masquerading as muscle and instead of dealing w that revelation that he's fat he rather shelve it and stay 'big'.
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I think who you described is someone who's a 100% dedicated to their gains, covers all the bases, all that shit. dedicated but unnecessarily so.
what we know here given pretty frank and open discuss ik that's gone a long way to educating people that all that shit doesnt matter. the body doesn't use protein at any one time. there is no anabolic window. you can gain tissue in a deficit. no matter how optimal your diet avd training as a natty your gonna hit a point of zero return.
once you start to open your eyes to this, it becomes a lot more enjoyable pursuit. you realise fuck I can live a totally normal life, train and still look great. that's what it's abt. not eating every 2.5 hrs had getting your 33grms of protein on cause that shit don't make an iota of difference.
when I think 'permabulker' I think of a guy who is fat. cause that's what he is. he carries fat that he feels makes him 'big' that's his holy grail. he's tried to diet but lost too much size. the cardio ate his legs. his diet was opintimal. he lose too much tissue. bullshit. he realised he has a lot of fat masquerading as muscle and instead of dealing w that revelation that he's fat he rather shelve it and stay 'big'.
you dont really know all this is true
you just may be doing enough to look the way you do
but if you did everything according to broscience
you may look better
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you dont really know all this is true
you just may be doing enough to look the way you do
but if you did everything according to broscience
you may look better
dude I did all that shit. for 15 years. on juice and off.
every angle I could play and use to get bigger and better I did. trained really heavy. ate 6x a day. ate 'clean'. carbs within 20 minutes of training. food every two hours. bulked for more mass. intra and post workout drinks. bro I'd get up at 4am to have a shake. that's no lie. I did allllllll that shit for over a decade.
lol I was a walking encyclopedia of applied broscience.
then I stopped doing all that. you get tired of it. the food prep. the eating. the balls out sessions. the bulking.
and guess what? I didn't deflate. I actually I started to improve.
I've made my best gains doing exactly opposite of what your supposed to do. eating 2x a day. training light and running the pump. training more.
I don't give advise here without having been there/ done that. I don't repeat what I hear. if I say this is a shit way of doing things, try this, it's cause that's exactly what I found to be true.
and imo the aversge serious trainer is really wasting their time dedicating themselves like that. IT DOES NOT MATTER. all that matters is drug intake and response. there's so secret key that someone is using that is the difference maker- it's just more and more drugs.
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but it sounds too good to be true ???
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;D ;D ;D
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dude I did all that shit. for 15 years. on juice and off.
every angle I could play and use to get bigger and better I did. trained really heavy. ate 6x a day. ate 'clean'. carbs within 20 minutes of training. food every two hours. bulked for more mass. intra and post workout drinks. bro I'd get up at 4am to have a shake. that's no lie. I did allllllll that shit for over a decade.
lol I was a walking encyclopedia of applied broscience.
then I stopped doing all that. you get tired of it. the food prep. the eating. the balls out sessions. the bulking.
and guess what? I didn't deflate. I actually I started to improve.
I've made my best gains doing exactly opposite of what your supposed to do. eating 2x a day. training light and running the pump. training more.
I don't give advise here without having been there/ done that. I don't repeat what I hear. if I say this is a shit way of doing things, try this, it's cause that's exactly what I found to be true.
and imo the aversge serious trainer is really wasting their time dedicating themselves like that. IT DOES NOT MATTER. all that matters is drug intake and response. there's so secret key that someone is using that is the difference maker- it's just more and more drugs.
Shut up meathead rambler cause you spent years training hard and eating clean bodybuilding foods to build your body then you decide to take it easy and eat twice daily and train light, of course you are not going to shrink cause you already have a strong foundation, I have seen your pics you have a nice body for swimming perfect for the breast stroke.
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Laughed on saturday watching some young juicehead weighing himself with his weight belt on, just trying to get that scale to turnover, reminded me of myself years ago force feeding and jumping on scales just looking for that next phase of getting bigger, weighing myself sometimes while busting to do a shit.
Made me laugh as then i thought of today, here i am training and doing cardio and weighing myself afterwards in an attempt to drop weight. 27 years of training will show you both sides.
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Laughed on saturday watching some young juicehead weighing himself with his weight belt on, just trying to get that scale to turnover, reminded me of myself years ago force feeding and jumping on scales just looking for that next phase of getting bigger, weighing myself sometimes while busting to do a shit.
Made me laugh as then i thought of today, here i am training and doing cardio and weighing myself afterwards in an attempt to drop weight. 27 years of training will show you both sides.
i roll my eyes at morons who weigh themselves at the gym
as if they dont have a scale at home
what is their mission rreally?
i think they hope people will ask their weight ::)
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Nearly every bodybuilder I know always added 10 to 20 lbs to their bodyweight and thats after weighing themselves fully clothed at the gym. I always told them you cant weigh in contest time fully clothed, never really got the whole weight thing, its bodybuilding they dont judge you on it, its just a number.
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Nearly every bodybuilder I know always added 10 to 20 lbs to their bodyweight and thats after weighing themselves fully clothed at the gym. I always told them you cant weigh in contest time fully clothed, never really got the whole weight thing, its bodybuilding they dont judge you on it, its just a number.
I knew a guy who used to weigh himself with his backpack of clothes on after he trained. ;D
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The definition of a permabulker, to me, is simple. It is someone who uses bodybuilding as their excuse to eat whatever they want.
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I sure have fallen into this trap. IMO a permabulker needs to have the mentality of " I don't care if I burn every ounce if muscle off my body to get lean, I can always put on the muscle later. Lean with no muscle is still better than permabulker."
Now the beauty to this is that muscle doesn't burn off as easily as bro science says it does. Just don't fast more than 70 hrs or do marathon cardio and you should be fine. My .02.
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'but i need eat X Y and Z for fuel'. bro, you're covered in fuel. put the fork down.
hahaha brilliant.
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i roll my eyes at morons who weigh themselves at the gym
as if they dont have a scale at home
what is their mission rreally?
i think they hope people will ask their weight ::)
Get a life , everything is upsetting & depressing U !.
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I recently gave this fear up. It is incredibly freeing.
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I used to until I realized that catabolism just occurs in minute amounts. You don't lose pounds of muscle overnight. If your body isn't well, you can drop some intramuscular water and that's it. What's the problem with that? Just get better, have a couple good workouts and fill back out. That's all. If you lose micrograms of amino acids and muscle tissue it's impossible to notice. Absolutely no point in worrying about shit like that. Worrying in and of itself is probably more catabolic than anything.
Another thing I did was built a solid foundation. Had to come off gear for a long time which exposed my crappy foundation. It's probably better than what I give it credit for, but coming off and feeling like shit really does something to you. I focused on getting healthy first, building my cardio and then slowly building muscle (which is slow as fuck being clean/natural). Looked very good without drugs and looked even better on them once I started juicing again. Don't have to juice hard or diet as hard now. I have a base. If I get smaller, I'm not a small guy, I'm just smaller than what I'd like. I have a base. So no more fears of being "small". Fat guys feel small because they usually are small and look like shit to begin with; their only saving grace is being huge and fat so they feel "big".
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You can stop the diet straight away, you are a fat pig on your inside who can't wait to jump face-first into a food buffet again.
You would not have to diet in the first place if you had the right long term mindset on dieting, you disgusting fat animal.
You are weak, you do not even get the most simple part of lifting right, the diet.
Why do you even bother training?
oh brother ::)
im probably leaner and have more willpower and dedication than you will ever have you imbecile
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oh brother ::)
im probably leaner and have more willpower and dedication than you will ever have you imbecile
....hah.
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i always stayed bundled up when i was in the (transition) phase,reason being i did low to zero carbs and when u start losing mass amounts of water and your fullness starts to disappear and add on the over all bodyweight dropping a person can get overwhelmed looking in mirror seeing hes shrinking. but if u hang in there and just ride it out u will start to see a awesome change happening and noticing a great shape coming on,when the change is done u will see a masterpeice u never knew was hidden under the water,fat and bloat that kept it hidden
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The definition of a permabulker, to me, is simple. It is someone who uses bodybuilding as their excuse to eat whatever they want.
While this applies to many, it doesn't apply to all. During my perma bulking days, I used to actually eat quite strict and avoid "junk" foods. For me, being a perma bulker actually required far more effort then being lean because I had to constantly eat and make sure the food was from good sources. There were times I literally force fed myself. I look back on those days and shake my head. ;D
Perma bulking is popular because the average person often cannot tell the difference between being lean and muscular and being fat and muscular. They see some perma bulker fatty and compliment him on being "huge". This feeds to ego of the perma bulker and encourages them to keep doing what they are doing.
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While this applies to many, it doesn't apply to all. During my perma bulking days, I used to actually eat quite strict and avoid "junk" foods. For me, being a perma bulker actually required far more effort then being lean because I had to constantly eat and make sure the food was from good sources. There were times I literally force fed myself. I look back on those days and shake my head. ;D
Perma bulking is popular because the average person often cannot tell the difference between being lean and muscular and being fat and muscular. They see some perma bulker fatty and compliment him on being "huge". This feeds to ego of the perma bulker and encourages them to keep doing what they are doing.
yes i agree the overload on the digestive system is brutal man, that has to take its toll on the body after yrs and yrs of doing that.i think staying leaner is much better ESPECIALLY now as im older, being a perma bulker at 50 isnt the wisest thing a person can do,the body will not take that overload on the digestive system at that age and ulcers and other stomach problems will pop up
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I remember when I was younger I used to fear losing gains, i.e. "not overdo cardio", "always have an animal protein source for every dish", chug protein drinks within the 30 min anabolic window etc oh brother ::)
Of course it's all in the head, but it was more like a psychological torture to skip a workout day or being below caloric breakeven.
The permabulker is nothing more but this same person, but who never outgrows this mentality.
Does this sound familiar or did you avoid this trap from the beginning of your venture into the world of bodybuild?
Maybe some are like that? I'm just naturally a big, wide guy.
In my case, I love eating , plain and simple. So, I'm kinda fat now, but my frame and shape allows me to look "big" in clothes .
I recently started doing "just cardio" and cutting back on my overall food intake to lose some wt and get healthier.
I'm up to an hr , 5 days a week on the inclined treadmill now.
I couldn't care less about size now.
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I recently gave this fear up. It is incredibly freeing.
This. I dont even worry about protein. I just eat 1600-2200 kcals usually and look leaner and better than ever. Im 6 foot and all sorts of bros tell me "dude thats too low of cals!"
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This. I dont even worry about protein. I just eat 1600-2200 kcals usually and look leaner and better than ever. Im 6 foot and all sorts of bros tell me "dude thats too low of cals!"
I honestly don't know what I am doing differently other than just eating less lately. My weight has leveled out at 185 lbs. I am a shrunken 5'9 1/2". What is weird is that my waist measurement keeps shrinking. I am almost down to just pinching skin there with almost no fat. Like I said, I don't know why, but I am liking it. The only problem is a little bit of loose skin. Hopefully the daily massage using coconut oil will take care of this.
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I knew a guy who used to weigh himself with his backpack of clothes on after he trained. ;D
When I was younger it was all about hitting 20st, I actualy enjoyed those years of ignorant bliss...