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Title: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Dos Equis on October 29, 2014, 08:11:00 PM
What is it with this anti-Christian, pro-Islam sentiment by so many people?  Very illogical.

Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
The Wood family will be taking their complaints to state legislators and the Maryland Department of Education.
F. PETER BROWN — OCTOBER 29, 2014
 
A Maryland father and former Marine finds himself under a no-trespass order for asking that his daughter be excused from Islam homework in her world history class.

Kevin Wood, the eight year Marine veteran, was upset because he did not want his high-school junior daughter to participate in instruction on Islam.

He called La Plata High School in Maryland, hoping to get his daughter excused.

Wood spoke first to an administrative assistant and then to Vice Principal Shannon Morris.

A school-district spokeswoman, Katie O’Malley Simpson, claimed that Wood threatened to cause problems at the school in his conversation with Morris.

She said: “Safety comes first. We don’t allow disruptions at the schools, especially if we’re forewarned of them.”

However, Wood denies making any threats and simply wanted his daughter to be removed from instruction about Islam because he does “not believe in” the religion.

He shared one comment he had to the local newspaper:

“I told her straight up ‘you could take that Muslim-loving piece of paper and shove it up your white a–.”
Wood’s wife backs up his story and says that “nowhere he did he ever threaten (anyone).”

Wood also is frustrated over his belief that the class would give attention to Islam while giving little or no attention to Christianity.

O’Malley-Simpson says that students must learn about the “Middle East” as part of the world history curriculum set by the Maryland State Board of Education.

The Wood family will be taking their complaints to state legislators and the Maryland Department of Education.

This past Monday, Wood’s daughter did not attend world history class and won’t be completing any future assignments on Islam. According to the parents, she will be receiving zero credit for each of the assignments.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/dad-banned-from-school-after-complaints-about-daughters-islam-homework/#tTEUAjw1EYBkpy5r.99
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 29, 2014, 08:36:39 PM
Just read this. Time for home schooling.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: RRKore on October 29, 2014, 08:36:55 PM
Are you saying that there's something anti-Christian or pro-Islam about this story, BB?  

Per the article, the dad just sounds like he doesn't want his daughter to learn about a major religion of the world.

Is he worried that his daughter could think, "Hey, that sounds like a great religion for women."  

I just don't get it at all.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: RRKore on October 29, 2014, 08:38:21 PM
Just read this. Time for home schooling.

Why Coach? 

Don't you think education about what Islam is would help folks to understand that it's more extreme than most religions?
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Dos Equis on October 29, 2014, 08:45:22 PM
Are you saying that there's something anti-Christian or pro-Islam about this story, BB?  

Per the article, the dad just sounds like he doesn't want his daughter to learn about a major religion of the world.

Is he worried that his daughter could think, "Hey, that sounds like a great religion for women."  

I just don't get it at all.


If you follow what goes on in public schools, there is a concerted effort to censor Christian subjects.  Numerous articles have been posted on the board about it.  And like the father said, they would not give her a similar assignment about Christianity. 
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Al Doggity on October 29, 2014, 09:04:15 PM
The dad did swore at the woman and said some things that could be interpreted as threats:

Quote
Wood told Superintendent Morris that the school is violating his daughter’s “constitutional rights” and threatened to “bring down a shit-storm on them like they’ve never seen.”

Melissa Wood, however, assured reporters that her husband wasn’t really threatening the school and that officials are twisting his words and overreacting.

“Nowhere did he ever threaten,” she insisted. “And this is where it’s gotten totally blown out of proportion.”

That sounds like a threat.


As for anti-Christian, pro-Islam?  ::)

Quote
Students learn aspects of other religions as well, O’Malley-Simpson said. When studying the Renaissance era, they are taught aspects of Christianity and the role it played in the reformation. When students learn about China and India, Hinduism and Buddhism are both discussed, she said.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: RRKore on October 29, 2014, 09:39:38 PM
If you follow what goes on in public schools, there is a concerted effort to censor Christian subjects.  Numerous articles have been posted on the board about it.  And like the father said, they would not give her a similar assignment about Christianity. 

Very dramatic but are you sure you know what "concerted" means?  LOL. 

I feel like the Anton Chiguhr character from NCOM saying to the store clerk, "You don't know what you're talking about, do you?"

When you were in Junior High, did they let you pick and choose what you'd be studying in your world history class?

Please tell me you're just playing dumb here.



Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 29, 2014, 10:20:11 PM
Why Coach? 

Don't you think education about what Islam is would help folks to understand that it's more extreme than most religions?

Not if they don't bother to teach about the 10 commandments. See how that works?
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: RRKore on October 29, 2014, 11:05:22 PM
Not if they don't bother to teach about the 10 commandments. See how that works?

It's not a religion class or Sunday School, though, Coach.  It's a world history class. 

And I have a hard time believing that they don't teach anything about Christianity which is the world's most popular religion.  (Islam is #2, I'm pretty sure.)

And, actually, I don't really understand the dad's concern.  Is he worried that if his daughter learns about how different religions are popular in different parts of the world she'll quickly realize that one's religion usually has very little to do with what's right or wrong and more to do with where and when one is brought up?  In other words, is he worried that she'll just consider Christianity a milder form of insanity compared to, say, Islam?

What do you think? 

(And why doesn't this guy have his daughter in a Christian school?)
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: T-REX007 on October 30, 2014, 05:39:34 AM
Christianity does have a big target across it's chest in " public" America - anywhere really

Just look at students who practice Buddhism, Hindus, Muslims, Wicca... ANY religion except Christianity is ok, it's acceptable, it's ' diversity" etc..

The way Hollywood, comedians,politicians, the military, civil service anything in American caters to everyone except Christianity is so blatant

If students or anybody wanted to do a "unit" on parts of the Koran, the Vedas, Upanishads, the Tora, I-ching.... whatever you name it , it would be applauded as wonderful, diversity .... but teach a "unit" on the Ten Commandments or Jesus and you have a sh - - storm of big proportions - FACT
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Donny on October 30, 2014, 05:46:37 AM
why the Hell do we need to learn about Islam? Why do our children need to learn this shite? Why was this Vet treated like he is a Racist? It has no place in our schools or education. I applaud this ex Marine for standing up for our Moral values.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: T-REX007 on October 30, 2014, 06:04:40 AM
It's called "diversity"  ::)

Another attempt to destroy the Western world and all it's accomplishments, try to put that "guilt complex" on everybody
The sad thing is that most of these libs and do gooders don't realize that if the West ever fell, the FIRST ones to be killed would be the do gooders and libs because even their enemies KNOW THEY ARE WEAK, they are not respected..... Bush, Reagen and the like were HATED for sure, but also RESPECTED deep down for at least being a fighter and standing up for their beliefs
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Donny on October 30, 2014, 06:22:02 AM
It's called "diversity"  ::)

Another attempt to destroy the Western world and all it's accomplishments, try to put that "guilt complex" on everybody
The sad thing is that most of these libs and do gooders don't realize that if the West ever fell, the FIRST ones to be killed would be the do gooders and libs because even their enemies KNOW THEY ARE WEAK, they are not respected..... Bush, Reagen and the like were HATED for sure, but also RESPECTED deep down for at least being a fighter and standing up for their beliefs
yes i agree.. genrally speaking i am not a Conservative but strength has to be shown.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: alpha infidel on October 30, 2014, 06:27:05 AM
cause Obama is a muslim, the rest of america is supposed to become muslims, whens the next elections?
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: RRKore on October 30, 2014, 07:23:31 AM
why the Hell do we need to learn about Islam? Why do our children need to learn this shite? Why was this Vet treated like he is a Racist? It has no place in our schools or education. I applaud this ex Marine for standing up for our Moral values.

All kids don't need to learn anything about it but what about students taking subjects like World History? 

Surely you're not suggesting that including material about Islam in a World History course that's accurately teaching about how different religions have been a major force shaping in shaping world history is wrong, are you? 

I mean, c'mon, Islam is currently the 2nd most popular religion in the world. 
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Necrosis on October 30, 2014, 07:27:41 AM
All kids don't need to learn anything about it but what about students taking subjects like World History? 

Surely you're not suggesting that including material about Islam in a World History course that's accurately teaching about how different religions have been a major force shaping in shaping world history is wrong, are you? 

I mean, c'mon, Islam is currently the 2nd most popular religion in the world. 


You are talking to morons, beach bum thinks there is an anti-christian sentiment somehow, meanwhile back in the real world......The father sounds like a grade a moron, is teaching her about the nazi's wrong? maybe the dad disagrees with that? is teaching about history in a history class a bad thing?
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 30, 2014, 07:29:49 AM
Do they teach kenyan history too?
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Donny on October 30, 2014, 07:30:39 AM
All kids don't need to learn anything about it but what about students taking subjects like World History? 

Surely you're not suggesting that including material about Islam in a World History course that's accurately teaching about how different religions have been a major force shaping in shaping world history is wrong, are you? 

I mean, c'mon, Islam is currently the 2nd most popular religion in the world. 

you answered your own question. kids do not need to learn this barbaric middle age BS. you are also trying to bring in another angle here, being a student is not the same as being a young child.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: RRKore on October 30, 2014, 07:39:24 AM
Christianity does have a big target across it's chest in " public" America - anywhere really

Just look at students who practice Buddhism, Hindus, Muslims, Wicca... ANY religion except Christianity is ok, it's acceptable, it's ' diversity" etc..

The way Hollywood, comedians,politicians, the military, civil service anything in American caters to everyone except Christianity is so blatant

If students or anybody wanted to do a "unit" on parts of the Koran, the Vedas, Upanishads, the Tora, I-ching.... whatever you name it , it would be applauded as wonderful, diversity .... but teach a "unit" on the Ten Commandments or Jesus and you have a sh - - storm of big proportions - FACT

You seem to be conflating the study of a religion with the practice of a religion and these are 2 completely separate things.  

Also, according to the school officials mentioned in the article, material about Christianity IS taught in the World History class in question.  

I think I disagree with you that Christianity is any more or less favored than other religions in America.  I don't doubt that it it gets attacked more here in the USA but think that it's because it's the most popular religion here.

Personally, I think they're all religions are wack but some, like Islam, seem to condone behavior that is more objectionable than others, for sure.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: RRKore on October 30, 2014, 07:43:06 AM
Do they teach kenyan history too?

Not yet but that day is coming...as soon as there's incontrovertible proof that a member of one of their sleeper cells was able to capture the US presidency.  ;D
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Archer77 on October 30, 2014, 07:44:09 AM
What was this supposed Islam homework?
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: RRKore on October 30, 2014, 07:44:28 AM
you answered your own question. kids do not need to learn this barbaric middle age BS. you are also trying to bring in another angle here, being a student is not the same as being a young child.

Young child?  Isn't the girl in Junior High School?  She's probably already been defiled by a getbigger, lol.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 30, 2014, 07:46:22 AM
Not yet but that day is coming...as soon as there's incontrovertible proof that a member of one of their sleeper cells was able to capture the US presidency.  ;D

I could teach that course now based on what we know
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: RRKore on October 30, 2014, 07:48:53 AM
What was this supposed Islam homework?

I think so but not sure.  

I'm getting the idea that it was one of those deals where every kid has to do a mini-paper on a different religion and this guy's daughter got stuck with Islam.  (I'd have tried to get Scientology myself, lol.)

If that's so, I think he's missing his opportunity to have her write an Islam paper that totally criticizes Islam.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Archer77 on October 30, 2014, 07:50:21 AM
I think so but not sure.  

I'm getting the idea that it was one of those deals where every kid has to do a mini-paper on a different religion and this guy's daughter got stuck with Islam.  (I'd have tried to get Scientology myself, lol.)

If that's so, I think he's missing his opportunity to have her write an Islam paper that totally criticizes Islam.

I would have tried to get Scientology too.  Talk about crazy. 
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: RRKore on October 30, 2014, 07:50:41 AM
I could teach that course now based on what we know

No doubt.  

I suggest bringin in Coach as a guest lecturer.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on October 30, 2014, 07:59:33 AM
What is it with this anti-Christian, pro-Islam sentiment by so many people?  Very illogical.

Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
The Wood family will be taking their complaints to state legislators and the Maryland Department of Education.
F. PETER BROWN — OCTOBER 29, 2014
 
A Maryland father and former Marine finds himself under a no-trespass order for asking that his daughter be excused from Islam homework in her world history class.

Kevin Wood, the eight year Marine veteran, was upset because he did not want his high-school junior daughter to participate in instruction on Islam.

He called La Plata High School in Maryland, hoping to get his daughter excused.

Wood spoke first to an administrative assistant and then to Vice Principal Shannon Morris.

A school-district spokeswoman, Katie O’Malley Simpson, claimed that Wood threatened to cause problems at the school in his conversation with Morris.

She said: “Safety comes first. We don’t allow disruptions at the schools, especially if we’re forewarned of them.”

However, Wood denies making any threats and simply wanted his daughter to be removed from instruction about Islam because he does “not believe in” the religion.

He shared one comment he had to the local newspaper:

“I told her straight up ‘you could take that Muslim-loving piece of paper and shove it up your white a–.”
Wood’s wife backs up his story and says that “nowhere he did he ever threaten (anyone).”

Wood also is frustrated over his belief that the class would give attention to Islam while giving little or no attention to Christianity.

O’Malley-Simpson says that students must learn about the “Middle East” as part of the world history curriculum set by the Maryland State Board of Education.

The Wood family will be taking their complaints to state legislators and the Maryland Department of Education.

This past Monday, Wood’s daughter did not attend world history class and won’t be completing any future assignments on Islam. According to the parents, she will be receiving zero credit for each of the assignments.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/dad-banned-from-school-after-complaints-about-daughters-islam-homework/#tTEUAjw1EYBkpy5r.99


Good....can't be threatening school officials.  They weren't teaching Islam....it was a lesson on regional cultures for World History..... ::)
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 30, 2014, 08:27:08 AM
Did they teach ball washing?
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Dos Equis on October 30, 2014, 10:59:08 AM
The dad did swore at the woman and said some things that could be interpreted as threats:

That sounds like a threat.


As for anti-Christian, pro-Islam?  ::)


That's the school's version. 

Oh yeah, I'm sure the lessons were comparable.   ::)
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Dos Equis on October 30, 2014, 10:59:57 AM
Very dramatic but are you sure you know what "concerted" means?  LOL. 

I feel like the Anton Chiguhr character from NCOM saying to the store clerk, "You don't know what you're talking about, do you?"

When you were in Junior High, did they let you pick and choose what you'd be studying in your world history class?

Please tell me you're just playing dumb here.





Only one of us has a problem understanding simple words and word usage.  (That would be you.) 
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Dos Equis on October 30, 2014, 11:00:41 AM
Christianity does have a big target across it's chest in " public" America - anywhere really

Just look at students who practice Buddhism, Hindus, Muslims, Wicca... ANY religion except Christianity is ok, it's acceptable, it's ' diversity" etc..

The way Hollywood, comedians,politicians, the military, civil service anything in American caters to everyone except Christianity is so blatant

If students or anybody wanted to do a "unit" on parts of the Koran, the Vedas, Upanishads, the Tora, I-ching.... whatever you name it , it would be applauded as wonderful, diversity .... but teach a "unit" on the Ten Commandments or Jesus and you have a sh - - storm of big proportions - FACT

Exactly. 
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Dos Equis on October 30, 2014, 11:01:40 AM
You seem to be conflating the study of a religion with the practice of a religion and these are 2 completely separate things.  

Also, according to the school officials mentioned in the article, material about Christianity IS taught in the World History class in question.  

I think I disagree with you that Christianity is any more or less favored than other religions in America.  I don't doubt that it it gets attacked more here in the USA but think that it's because it's the most popular religion here.

Personally, I think they're all religions are wack but some, like Islam, seem to condone behavior that is more objectionable than others, for sure.

lol
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Dos Equis on October 30, 2014, 11:02:19 AM

Good....can't be threatening school officials.  They weren't teaching Islam....it was a lesson on regional cultures for World History..... ::)

What you think about the modern day version Islam that calls for the execution of homosexuals? 
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Donny on October 30, 2014, 11:16:41 AM
What you think about the modern day version Islam that calls for the execution of homosexuals? 
Good Question
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 30, 2014, 11:20:32 AM
What you think about the modern day version Islam that calls for the execution of homosexuals? 

Vince will just dress up as a goat and think he will be spared.   ;)
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Donny on October 30, 2014, 11:32:21 AM
Vince will just dress up as a goat and think he will be spared.   ;)
  ;D
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: tonymctones on October 30, 2014, 05:42:37 PM
Kore you have to see that obvious double standard in america in terms of tolerance of religious ideas. Christianity is the popular religion to bash these days and other religions are given passes where christianity certainly wouldnt.

Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Straw Man on October 30, 2014, 06:12:28 PM
Very dramatic but are you sure you know what "concerted" means?  LOL. 

I feel like the Anton Chiguhr character from NCOM saying to the store clerk, "You don't know what you're talking about, do you?"

When you were in Junior High, did they let you pick and choose what you'd be studying in your world history class?

Please tell me you're just playing dumb here.





I've asked Bum that very same question many times in the past.

Sadly, I can assure you he is not.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: RRKore on October 31, 2014, 01:48:08 AM
What you think about the modern day version Islam that calls for the execution of homosexuals? 

I think it's turrible.

So, obviously we should pretend that Islam (including the 700 hundred some odd years of the Ottoman Empire) never existed. lol

Jeez, BB, so you don't know jack about medicine, education or world history.  What do you know about? 
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: RRKore on October 31, 2014, 02:11:23 AM
Kore you have to see that obvious double standard in america in terms of tolerance of religious ideas. Christianity is the popular religion to bash these days and other religions are given passes where christianity certainly wouldnt.


Maybe I do sorta of see it, Tony.  I can see why it seems that way but it might have something to do with the fact that Christianity is the dominant religion here so that's why folks complain about it.  

Kinda like how folks complain about police abuse here in the USA;  I'm 100% sure police abuse is much worse in a lot of foreign countries but we don't hear folks complaining about the foreign cops doing the shit they do because it doesn't happen here so it doesn't affect us much.  

Tricky thing to criticize religion in America, for sure since freedom of religion is supposed to be important to Americans.  

Personally, I think the freedom to practice the religion of one's choice is fine...up until folks try to use it to cover for breaking the (secular) law.  So no, you can't wear a freakin' mask veil (hijab?) in public, for instance.  And, sorry, you shouldn't be able to break discrimination laws just because your religion says homo's are evil.

Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: RRKore on October 31, 2014, 02:15:25 AM
What you think about the modern day version Islam that calls for the execution of homosexuals? 

Good question. 

Next you should ask him what he thinks about Nazi's executing Jews when he ridiculously insists that Junior High kids should learn about WW2.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Necrosis on October 31, 2014, 04:12:14 AM
What you think about the modern day version Islam that calls for the execution of homosexuals? 

Modern day version, lol. The only difference in it's violence is that people actually follow the holy book unlike christians. Both are vile
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Dos Equis on October 31, 2014, 08:31:42 AM
I think it's turrible.

So, obviously we should pretend that Islam (including the 700 hundred some odd years of the Ottoman Empire) never existed. lol

Jeez, BB, so you don't know jack about medicine, education or world history.  What do you know about? 

I know you're a simpleton.  Absolutely no doubt about that. 
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Dos Equis on October 31, 2014, 08:32:16 AM
Modern day version, lol. The only difference in it's violence is that people actually follow the holy book unlike christians. Both are vile

Not even close. 
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Necrosis on October 31, 2014, 08:57:29 AM
Not even close. 

Huh? wearing a clothing of two different fabrics is punishable by stoning to death. No one takes it seriously, they do, that's the only difference. Both are poisonous ideas that cause magical thinking.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Dos Equis on October 31, 2014, 09:17:38 AM
Huh? wearing a clothing of two different fabrics is punishable by stoning to death. No one takes it seriously, they do, that's the only difference. Both are poisonous ideas that cause magical thinking.

Oh please.  Christian churches don't execute homosexuals.  You realize homosexuality is punishable by death in some Muslim countries?

If you don't see a distinction between Islam and Christianity, then you must be a paranoid anti-religious extremist.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 31, 2014, 11:09:25 AM
So it's ok to teach religion in schools as long as it is only the religion you follow?  Is that it?

Personally, I think they should expose students to the true history of Islam and what a shitbag that Muhammad really was.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Dos Equis on October 31, 2014, 11:20:52 AM
 ::)
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 31, 2014, 11:21:55 AM
So it's ok to teach religion in schools as long as it is only the religion you follow?  Is that it?

Personally, I think they should expose students to the true history of Islam and what a shitbag that Muhammad really was.

That won't happen. Much like teaching tolerance for gays, they will only teach that Islam is the religion of "piece" as in they will cut into pieces if you don't convert.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Straw Man on October 31, 2014, 12:55:32 PM
Oh please.  Christian churches don't execute homosexuals. You realize homosexuality is punishable by death in some Muslim countries?

If you don't see a distinction between Islam and Christianity, then you must be a paranoid anti-religious extremist.

correct

instead they go to countries like Uganda and try to influence the governments to just put homosexuals in jail

just spreading that "good news" the of the gospel of jesus

and you know they would love to do the same thing here if only they could

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/03/scott-lively-anti-gay-law-uganda
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 31, 2014, 01:17:04 PM
correct

instead they go to countries like Uganda and try to influence the governments to just put homosexuals in jail

just spreading that "good news" the of the gospel of jesus

and you know they would love to do the same thing here if only they could

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/03/scott-lively-anti-gay-law-uganda

You love those twinks in Uganda don't you?
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Straw Man on October 31, 2014, 01:18:40 PM
You love those twinks in Uganda don't you?

you're the self appointed twink expert on this board so why don't you tell us about them
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Necrosis on October 31, 2014, 01:25:30 PM
Oh please.  Christian churches don't execute homosexuals.  You realize homosexuality is punishable by death in some Muslim countries?

If you don't see a distinction between Islam and Christianity, then you must be a paranoid anti-religious extremist.

Your response isn't even in line with mine, you just made an argument and attacked it, I said nothing of the sort. The distinction is how serious the followers take their religion, that's the difference. It seriously calls for stoning via all sorts of crazy shit. Islam isn't as enlightened, they are treating religion like christians did during the inquisition. They are out of step, however, because one has "advanced" it doesn't negate the common unde.rpinnings
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Dos Equis on October 31, 2014, 01:33:49 PM
Your response isn't even in line with mine, you just made an argument and attacked it, I said nothing of the sort. The distinction is how serious the followers take their religion, that's the difference. It seriously calls for stoning via all sorts of crazy shit. Islam isn't as enlightened, they are treating religion like christians did during the inquisition. They are out of step, however, because one has "advanced" it doesn't negate the common unde.rpinnings

That doesn't make sense, because Christians follow their religion just as seriously as Muslims. 

I know atheists love to read the Bible and quote Old Testament passages about stoning, etc. but that was a completely different lifetime, different context.  When has a person ever been stoned in the United States by the Christian church?  Trying to draw parallels between Christianity and Islam is just illogical.

There is no question that today's Islam is twisted.  Stoning women who commit adultery.  Requiring a woman who is raped to have three eyewitnesses.  Executing homosexuals.  Some straight up caveman stuff.  No reasonable person compares that kind of practice with what Christianity has taught for the past 2,000 years. 

Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Straw Man on October 31, 2014, 01:44:55 PM
That doesn't make sense, because Christians follow their religion just as seriously as Muslims. 

I know atheists love to read the Bible and quote Old Testament passages about stoning, etc. but that was a completely different lifetime, different context.  When has a person ever been stoned in the United States by the Christian church?  Trying to draw parallels between Christianity and Islam is just illogical.

There is no question that today's Islam is twisted.  Stoning women who commit adultery.  Requiring a woman who is raped to have three eyewitnesses.  Executing homosexuals.  Some straight up caveman stuff.  No reasonable person compares that kind of practice with what Christianity has taught for the past 2,000 years. 



They would if they could

Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Necrosis on October 31, 2014, 01:46:04 PM
That doesn't make sense, because Christians follow their religion just as seriously as Muslims. 

I know atheists love to read the Bible and quote Old Testament passages about stoning, etc. but that was a completely different lifetime, different context.  When has a person ever been stoned in the United States by the Christian church?  Trying to draw parallels between Christianity and Islam is just illogical.

There is no question that today's Islam is twisted.  Stoning women who commit adultery.  Requiring a woman who is raped to have three eyewitnesses.  Executing homosexuals.  Some straight up caveman stuff.  No reasonable person compares that kind of practice with what Christianity has taught for the past 2,000 years. 



It;s illogical? to compare to prominent religions which are speak about many of the same things, even Jesus? you just proved my point with your time contextual argument, this shit was christianity during the inquisition. The states are relatively new compared to countries in the middle east, to compare practices in both is in fact illogical. It also proves my point, one is more advanced, that's it. One is taken as if it was literal, one is not, both use to be however.

A better comparison of religions by nations would be north africa and the middle east, in the north christians practice genital mutilation in large numbers. You also have a ideology in both which can be manipulated to meet ones own needs as it's up for "debate", some of it allegorical, some literal, all divinely inspired? you are also comparing two wildly disparaging countries, one in strife and war another at the pinnacle of civilization.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Dos Equis on October 31, 2014, 01:54:01 PM
It;s illogical? to compare to prominent religions which are speak about many of the same things, even Jesus? you just proved my point with your time contextual argument, this shit was christianity during the inquisition. The states are relatively new compared to countries in the middle east, to compare practices in both is in fact illogical. It also proves my point, one is more advanced, that's it. One is taken as if it was literal, one is not, both use to be however.

A better comparison of religions by nations would be north africa and the middle east, in the north christians practice genital mutilation in large numbers. You also have a ideology in both which can be manipulated to meet ones own needs as it's up for "debate", some of it allegorical, some literal, all divinely inspired? you are also comparing two wildly disparaging countries, one in strife and war another at the pinnacle of civilization.


Yes it's illogical to compare extremism to mainstream practices.  Christianity never advocated the inquisition.  That was the Catholic church doing very bad things, about 600 years ago.  Seriously? 

Your comments about being literal are simply inaccurate.  Christians are literally Christians and Muslims are literally Muslims.  What you're trying to do is say Christians don't "literally" believe what the Bible teaches.  They do.  They just understand context.  You cannot do the same with Islam, because what they taught hundreds of years ago that applied during that era is still being used today. 

You can call that evolving, and some sense that might be accurate, but I think it's more accurate to say that certain things in the Old Testament only applied to the people of that era.  They (Israelites) were given very specific rules and guidelines for their time, which included a number of ceremonies, etc.  If you actually read the entire Bible, you can place those things in context and would understand that those practices were limited to that historical moment in time.  You cannot say the same thing about Islam.   
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Straw Man on October 31, 2014, 01:59:59 PM
Here are some of your fellow christians

and nice job with the Conservative Indoctrination
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 31, 2014, 02:07:30 PM
Here are some of your fellow christians

and nice job with the Conservative Indoctrination

Hey fagget - fred phelps was a democrat
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Straw Man on October 31, 2014, 02:14:45 PM
Hey fagget - fred phelps was a democrat

and a Christian

apparently he hates people like you
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: tonymctones on October 31, 2014, 06:49:39 PM
Maybe I do sorta of see it, Tony.  I can see why it seems that way but it might have something to do with the fact that Christianity is the dominant religion here so that's why folks complain about it. 

Kinda like how folks complain about police abuse here in the USA;  I'm 100% sure police abuse is much worse in a lot of foreign countries but we don't hear folks complaining about the foreign cops doing the shit they do because it doesn't happen here so it doesn't affect us much. 

Tricky thing to criticize religion in America, for sure since freedom of religion is supposed to be important to Americans. 

Personally, I think the freedom to practice the religion of one's choice is fine...up until folks try to use it to cover for breaking the (secular) law.  So no, you can't wear a freakin' mask veil (hijab?) in public, for instance.  And, sorry, you shouldn't be able to break discrimination laws just because your religion says homo's are evil.
Whatever the reason bashing christianity in america gets a pass doesnt matter. The fact is christianity gets called out where other religions at times get passes.

If you want equality you need to champion all equality, not just the ones you agree with.

Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: RRKore on November 01, 2014, 02:23:27 AM
What was this supposed Islam homework?

Better news articles about this are available now.

The girl was assigned a 3-page paper about Islam covering Mecca and the 5 pillars of blah, blah, blah.

BTW, the girl is a Junior in High School (not a kid in Jr High), so that means she's about 16, I think.

http://www.somdnews.com/article/20141027/NEWS/141029296/1043&source=RSS&template=gazette (http://www.somdnews.com/article/20141027/NEWS/141029296/1043&source=RSS&template=gazette)

...

Students are required to pass world history as a graduation requirement, O’Malley-Simpson said. A piece of the world history course involves studying Middle Eastern culture and the formation of its empires — the Maryland State Board of Education has dictated that Middle East be part of the curriculum for many years, O’Malley-Simpson said.

At all three levels of the course, normal, honors and Advanced Placement, students study this material. Students must also enroll in government and U.S. history.

Policies exist that allow a child to complete an alternative assignment if the parents complain, O’Malley-Simpson said, but not in the case of world history.

“If parents object to a book that’s assigned, and the assignment is to gather certain reading skills, assigning them a different book doesn’t matter,” she said. “The student still gains the skills and knowledge. In the case of world history and other subjects, it’s part of the curriculum and it’s part of the standards you’re supposed to learn.”

Students learn aspects of other religions as well, O’Malley-Simpson said. When studying the Renaissance era, they are taught aspects of Christianity and the role it played in the reformation. When students learn about China and India, Hinduism and Buddhism are both discussed, she said.

Administration will not be discontinuing the assignment in dispute, O’Malley-Simpson said.

The Woods’ daughter skipped the world history class Monday and will not complete any more assignments, per her parent’s wishes. She will receive “zeros” on those assignments, the Woods said.


...

More at link.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Wolfox on November 01, 2014, 04:02:52 AM
Typical republitard.

Its world history you numbskull. You're gonna learn about other religions and cultures.

That's why that republitard is a soldier and not anyone in command. High ranking members of the military know its important to know thy enemy. 
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Necrosis on November 01, 2014, 04:49:44 AM

Yes it's illogical to compare extremism to mainstream practices.  Christianity never advocated the inquisition.  That was the Catholic church doing very bad things, about 600 years ago.  Seriously? 

Again this is my point, you don't seem to grasp it.

Your comments about being literal are simply inaccurate.  Christians are literally Christians and Muslims are literally Muslims.  What you're trying to do is say Christians don't "literally" believe what the Bible teaches.  They do.  They just understand context.  You cannot do the same with Islam, because what they taught hundreds of years ago that applied during that era is still being used today. 

Do you really want to go down this road? leviticus wants everyone dead, from going to mt sinai to blaspheming. You must not have read your holy books.Again you prove my point. We are in agreement.

You can call that evolving, and some sense that might be accurate, but I think it's more accurate to say that certain things in the Old Testament only applied to the people of that era.  They (Israelites) were given very specific rules and guidelines for their time, which included a number of ceremonies, etc.  If you actually read the entire Bible, you can place those things in context and would understand that those practices were limited to that historical moment in time.  You cannot say the same thing about Islam.   
You can't pick and choose like this, again my point, you are in a better place with laws in place that prohibit these "rules" while muslim majority countries do not. Look at UK, far less sharia bullshit going on, the cultural difference is important along with the degree of civilization

I see both as inherently violent, any god that forces people to love him under threat of eternal damnation is at essence a sadomasochist.

Regardless, the us has many many muslims and you do not see any of this activity? is it the religion? or is it the culture and degree of civility? which makes most sense BB?
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 01, 2014, 09:10:36 AM
and a Christian

apparently he hates people like you

Sorry dude, you can't have both.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Necrosis on November 01, 2014, 09:43:19 AM
Sorry dude, you can't have both.

huh? Jesus would most certainly not be a republican, you guys complaining about food stamps and welfare is in direct contrast to Jesus Christ and his teachings. He railed against the rich and opulent, he even indicated that acquiring material possesions was afront to him, him directs you to help the needy, the poor, the less fortunate. Give up all your possessions, a rich man entering heaven is as likely as a camel passing through the eye of a needle, AKA impossible. I agree with him, profit is causing alot of suffering, in humans and in other species, the idea of excess is accetable is absurd. Look at the fat glutenous americans, obesity is raging out of control, meanwhile people starve, would jesus condone this? nope.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 01, 2014, 10:02:55 AM
huh? Jesus would most certainly not be a republican, you guys complaining about food stamps and welfare is in direct contrast to Jesus Christ and his teachings. He railed against the rich and opulent, he even indicated that acquiring material possesions was afront to him, him directs you to help the needy, the poor, the less fortunate. Give up all your possessions, a rich man entering heaven is as likely as a camel passing through the eye of a needle, AKA impossible. I agree with him, profit is causing alot of suffering, in humans and in other species, the idea of excess is accetable is absurd. Look at the fat glutenous americans, obesity is raging out of control, meanwhile people starve, would jesus condone this? nope.

Sure, whatever you say. That's always the atheist/Lib translation ::)

Good God!!
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Necrosis on November 01, 2014, 10:06:47 AM
Sure, whatever you say. That's always the atheist/Lib translation ::)

Good God!!

Expected response, I bet you have not read the bible. Did jesus not say that getting into heaven as a rich man (material things) was impossible? yes or no? how else would you interpret his saying?

He stands for everything you hate, charity, inclusion, equality etc.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 01, 2014, 10:18:21 AM
Expected response, I bet you have not read the bible. Did jesus not say that getting into heaven as a rich man (material things) was impossible? yes or no? how else would you interpret his saying?

He stands for everything you hate, charity, inclusion, equality etc.

Where do you get this from? Charity does not mean robbing from tax payers. Charity means giving freely which is what Christians do more than any government that steals because they THINK its for a good cause to bolster their agenda. You have a warped sense reality. As for Matthew 19:23, you might want to see some of the cross references to that scripture. But I digress. 
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 01, 2014, 10:20:18 AM
Also, what I was referring to when I said you can't have both. If you claim to be a Christian and support the gay agenda and abortion...you're not a Christian...PERIOD!
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Wolfox on November 01, 2014, 10:21:38 AM
Also, what I was referring to when I said you can't have both. If you claim to be a Christian and support the gay agenda and abortion...you're not a Christian...PERIOD!

Pretty sure God decides that - not some midget.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Straw Man on November 01, 2014, 11:10:00 AM
Sorry dude, you can't have both.

?
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Necrosis on November 01, 2014, 11:43:43 AM
Where do you get this from? Charity does not mean robbing from tax payers. Charity means giving freely which is what Christians do more than any government that steals because they THINK its for a good cause to bolster their agenda. You have a warped sense reality. As for Matthew 19:23, you might want to see some of the cross references to that scripture. But I digress. 

Jesus asked you to give up your early possesion, serve others and specifically help the poor. Jesus would not participate in your government, do you not know his life?
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 01, 2014, 04:47:08 PM
Jesus asked you to give up your early possesion, serve others and specifically help the poor. Jesus would not participate in your government, do you not know his life?

I can honesly say that Christians rich or poor give up a lot more of their possessions that anyone else. You make it sound like Jesus was suggesting to give up all possessions for others exept family. Providing a comfortable living for my family comes first and for most.
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Necrosis on November 02, 2014, 03:41:26 AM
I can honesly say that Christians rich or poor give up a lot more of their possessions that anyone else. You make it sound like Jesus was suggesting to give up all possessions for others exept family. Providing a comfortable living for my family comes first and for most.

Another example of not taking your book seriously, he didnt say alot of your possessions, he said all. You are living by your own rules, not those based in the bible. He was trying to point out that if eternity does in fact exist, then your stupid new car or any of that bullshit is worthless and it is.

I actually agree with you, I agree because I don't agree with Jesus however, you are certainly not following his example. Wasn't jesus all about love and acceptance?
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Straw Man on November 02, 2014, 08:25:49 AM
I can honesly say that Christians rich or poor give up a lot more of their possessions that anyone else. You make it sound like Jesus was suggesting to give up all possessions for others exept family. Providing a comfortable living for my family comes first and for most.

tell us the last time you sold your possessions and gave the money to the poor

Given that you're such a devout and vocal christian I'm surprised you're not a bit more familiar with what your fellow christians claim  is the literal words of your god and saviour.   I mean jesus christ dude, the guy died for your sins so that you could have everlasting life and all he asked you to do is sell all of your worldly possessions and give the money to the poor

Is that too much to ask for having all your sins redeemed and your soul saved ?

Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Dos Equis on November 03, 2014, 10:26:46 AM
I see both as inherently violent, any god that forces people to love him under threat of eternal damnation is at essence a sadomasochist.

Regardless, the us has many many muslims and you do not see any of this activity? is it the religion? or is it the culture and degree of civility? which makes most sense BB?

Christianity is not inherently violent.  That's absurd.

Ozmo and I had this discussion a while back, but there is a thread on here that talks about the percentage of Radical Islamists.  It's an enormous number. 
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Dos Equis on November 03, 2014, 11:04:43 AM
Another example of not taking your book seriously, he didnt say alot of your possessions, he said all. You are living by your own rules, not those based in the bible. He was trying to point out that if eternity does in fact exist, then your stupid new car or any of that bullshit is worthless and it is.

I actually agree with you, I agree because I don't agree with Jesus however, you are certainly not following his example. Wasn't jesus all about love and acceptance?

Actually he was talking to one guy.  He didn't tell everyone to give up their possessions, which really makes no sense. 

Why do you read the Bible if you're an atheist? 
Title: Re: Dad Banned From School After Complaints About Daughter’s Islam Homework
Post by: Straw Man on November 03, 2014, 11:45:43 AM
Christianity is not inherently violent.  That's absurd.

Ozmo and I had this discussion a while back, but there is a thread on here that talks about the percentage of Radical Islamists.  It's an enormous number. 

plenty of violence in the "word of god" and there are no shortage of nutbags in this country that would love to dish out some biblical "justice" if only they could