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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Croatch on November 06, 2014, 10:51:34 AM
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Coleman, Branch Warren, J.,Jackson, Dugdale...the list goes on and on. It's bad enough they believe in an imaginary man in the sky, but spewing Gods plan bullshit and thanking God is the most laughable thing.
You have a serious drug problem, but want to come off as righteous and noble.
The hypocrisy.
Not to mention the example they set for teens.
Enter comments: it doesn't say anything about steroids in the bible. ::)
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Leave Getbig's Man of Steel out of this.
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Juicing for Jesus..
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He was the original juicer with obvious needle marks near hands and feet. Can spot a little synthol. heavy doses of finasteride to keep that healthy hair. Can see he developped a little palumboism near the end.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/46/146110069_5100727239_z.jpg?zz=1)
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Which of the the Ten Commandments would be broken by juicing? ???
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Which of the the Ten Commandments would be broken by juicing? ???
Thou shalt not engage a syringe filled with male vitality and let it cometh near your own blood.
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I always think it is stupid, self-righteous and selfish when sport players or any athlete thanks god or prays for a win. I mean, even if there is a god, do you really think he gives a flying fuck about sports or athletes? Wouldn't he care about more important things like child abuse, poverty, war, genocide? Yet, these self-righteous athletes are always praying for a victory. Save your prayers for something more important, dummy.
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I always think it is stupid, self-righteous and selfish when sport players or any athlete thanks god or prays for a win. I mean, even if there is a god, do you really think he gives a flying fuck about sports or athletes? Wouldn't he care about more important things like child abuse, poverty, war, genocide? Yet, these self-righteous athletes are always praying for a victory. Save your prayers for something more important, dummy.
You can not apply logic to religion. "God works in mysterious ways" negates anything you can ever say.
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Which of the the Ten Commandments would be broken by juicing? ???
Well, suicide is frowned upon by christians and most other religious groups.. It is believed that God only has the right to take your life. In essence, sticking drugs into your body may be considered a slow suicide. God would not approve. :-\ :-\
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You can not apply logic to religion. "God works in mysterious ways" negates anything you can ever say.
x2. You hit the nail on the head. Whenever I have debated religious people they always say something like, "We dont know Gods plan" or like you said, "He works in mysterious ways." At that point, it is clear they have run out of arguments and are just relying on statements that cannot really be disproven.
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Well, suicide is frowned upon by christians and most other religious groups.. It is believed that God only has the right to take your life. In essence, sticking drugs into your body may be considered a slow suicide. God would not approve. :-\ :-\
So drinking beer, smoking or eating a burger is also a sin in terms of christianity? ???
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OP is really starting to get on my nerves.
He needs to find somewhere off to fuck to.
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I always think it is stupid, self-righteous and selfish when sport players or any athlete thanks god or prays for a win. I mean, even if there is a god, do you really think he gives a flying fuck about sports or athletes? Wouldn't he care about more important things like child abuse, poverty, war, genocide? Yet, these self-righteous athletes are always praying for a victory. Save your prayers for something more important, dummy.
Spot on.
The best is before sporting event where teams get together and say a prayer...quite possibly the dumbest action possible, before smashing heads in a football game.
"God, watch over our players and keep us from injury and allow us just one more win."
Haha. Where do you even start with this one.
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My take from an older post.....some believers disagree with me....I'm ok with that:
I agree with you and it is ridiculous. As a believers we're entrusted with the whole of creation and that which is developed threrein. I've never grasped the link that some believers make between taking advantage of medical technology and therefore having a lack of faith LOL....feels like a nonsequitor to me.
I also like how the Quran very plainly states the position on medical technology and science.
The bible isn't quite as straightforward as that LOL. Paul mentions drinking a bit of wine to settle a sour stomach and there are references to injuries being treated with the medicine of the time. Heck, gospel writer Luke was a companion of the apostle Paul, but before that he was a doctor. He became a Christian yet he still remained a doctor.
Within the book of Galatians Paul notes the sin of sorcery which is rooted in the greek term pharmakeia (pharmacy). This isn't indicating that medicines in general are bad. The context is about sorcery and witchcraft and avoiding making or partaking in elicit drugs (potions) for purposes of engaging in witchcraft, the occult or abusing drugs in general for non-medical purposes and allowing it consume a person creating addictions that oppose God's will for our lives.
I think folks misinterpret these passages of scripture, but again I agree that the behavior is ridiculous. If my kid skins her knee she's gettin some ointment, a bandage, a little tylenol and a hug LOL!
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OP is really starting to get on my nerves.
He needs to find somewhere off to fuck to.
Haha. This sounds so Christian of you. Don't be mad I'm the one to tell you there is no Easter bunny. In another 50 years, religious will be the minority. Slowly through free thinking and science, religious bs is continuously called out and one day people will see...ahhh shit, I was lied to.
The only difference in Santa Claus and God is, adults still believe in God, yet there is no proof either existed. And please don't cite the bible as your proof.
"It's in a book, so it MUST be true."
You can believe what you want though. I'm sticking with my belief the world is flat.
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So drinking beer, smoking or eating a burger is also a sin in terms of christianity? ???
There is obviously a spectrum of sinning. Eating a burger, probably not. Taking illegal substances, perhaps. Do you think God is okay with people destroying their bodies and minds with drugs? God supposedly created each one of us in his own image. Our bodies and minds are sacred. I am sure God would not be praising those who stuck illegal drugs in their body.
All those bodybuilders that died for us may be in Hell.
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Super thread Crotch. Super duper in fact.
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Spot on.
The best is before sporting event where teams get together and say a prayer...quite possibly the dumbest action possible, before smashing heads in a football game.
"God, watch over our players and keep us from injury and allow us just one more win."
Haha. Where do you even start with this one.
Yes, its quite comical.
Please let us win this football game, while genocides happen across the world. Sincerely, the New York Giants.
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May God grant me the strength to lift this weight... God does grant them the strength.... through the anabolics he provides to them? May God bless anabolics.
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Is steroid use a sin?
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Which of the the Ten Commandments would be broken by juicing? ???
Commandments, I don't know. But pride is a cardinal sin. And BBing is all about pride.
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Is steroid use a sin?
Yes.
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Steroids are just more cement to build the temple is what I say.
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(http://i.imgur.com/h7FxaSB.gif)
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Speaking of religion, anyone ever go to church just to meet chicks?
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The Bible teaches that the body is the temple of the Lord after a person is saved. They are to take care of their bodies, and to treat their bodies with respect. Therefore, taking steroids, or other drugs that could harm your body, would be considered wrong. Just as eating a bunch of junk food and mcdonald's would be wrong.
However, just because someone who "claims" to be a Christian does steroids, that doesn't negate what the Bible says. It just means that person is living in sin, or is a hypocrite, or possibly isn't really even saved but thinks that they are.
So you are right in your observation that these people are hypocrites, but wrong in your conclusion that there is no God. The fool hath said in his heart there is no God. God is true. The Bible is true.
well said
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i used to read the bible alot and be into it,i was juicing at the time and always felt alot of guilt every time i injected myself. i knew it just wasnt right period.whoever tries to justify is full of shit and lying to themselves. TRT though i think is OK, all u r doing is fixing a medical issue since your test levels r low,no different than a guy taking high blood pressure p[ills or asthma medicine
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Speaking of religion, anyone ever go to church just to meet chicks?
lol. Church does have some pretty women, especially MILFs.
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lol. Church does have some pretty women, especially MILFs.
Many churches today are full of short skirts and miles of cleavage. It's a bit much LOL.
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Many churches today are full of short skirts and miles of cleavage. It's a bit much LOL.
Oh man, I can imagine. I love those ladies who wear those classy looking dresses, with cleavage.
As if you don't look at their cleavage, MOS. ::) ::) ;D ;D :D :D ;) ;) :-* :-*
Do they look like this? :D
(http://s10.postimg.org/4zyo7sc15/ecedb691a394e05fa2e4b6f547f48c5a.jpg)
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Just a matter of time before most western religions come out and say God or Jesus was a homosexual of sort.
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Oh man, I can imagine. I love those ladies who wear those classy looking dresses, with cleavage.
As if you don't look at their cleavage, MOS. ::) ::) ;D ;D :D :D ;) ;) :-* :-*
Do they look like this? :D
(http://s10.postimg.org/4zyo7sc15/ecedb691a394e05fa2e4b6f547f48c5a.jpg)
Hard not to look LOL.
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lol. Church does have some pretty women, especially MILFs.
YES I USED TO PULL SOME NICE PUSSY IN THE BRAZILIAN CHURCH I USED TO GO TO IN JERSEY
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coleman has converted millions to christianity
large parts of the middle east have followed in Ronald's foot steps after watching his olympia speeches and left behind their mosques and goats
many theologists have agreed that he is the second coming of christ, as everything clearly suggests so
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So you are right in your observation that these people are hypocrites, but wrong in your conclusion that there is no God. The fool hath said in his heart there is no God. God is true. The Bible is true.
Prove it...
Silence will follow or something outlandish.
Actually, I may change my mind. I always thought that steroids were Gods consolation prize for failing at bodybuilding. I see it every day at my gym. You know, the majority who juice. Try lifting and realize...this is actually difficult or impossible with my weaker genetics and work ethic. Then they turn to God, he points them in the right direction. I guess there are miracles for the weak and needy. I stand corrected sir.
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There is obviously a spectrum of sinning. Eating a burger, probably not. Taking illegal substances, perhaps. Do you think God is okay with people destroying their bodies and minds with drugs? God supposedly created each one of us in his own image. Our bodies and minds are sacred. I am sure God would not be praising those who stuck illegal drugs in their body.
All those bodybuilders that died for us may be in Hell.
Shut the fuck up cause you dont know shit, nothing is wrong with christian injecting steroids they do it to be bigger and stronger in the pursuit of a goal, and if it was that big of a deal I am sure the bible would have said thou shalt not grow your muscles bigger cause jesus wont be impressed, on the other hand I am sure god looks down on ronnie and he is proud of the big muscle beast.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SzE9-UB6PWI/AAAAAAAAERc/oVm2tBRBlII/s400/Ronnie+Coleman+Dressed+as+Moses+at+the+2006+Mr.+Olympia+Finals.jpg)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=42790&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SzJxeajsBbI/AAAAAAAAETE/mMauuPw-7U8/s1600-h/Ronnie+Coleman+and+Muscular+Christianity+at+the+2006+Mr.+Olympia+Finals.jpg)
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i used to read the bible alot and be into it,i was juicing at the time and always felt alot of guilt every time i injected myself. i knew it just wasnt right period.whoever tries to justify is full of shit and lying to themselves. TRT though i think is OK, all u r doing is fixing a medical issue since your test levels r low,no different than a guy taking high blood pressure p[ills or asthma medicine
Test replacement therapy...for old pussies who could never make gains in 30 years. If I had a dollar for everyone of these posers I see daily. It's beyond sad. If you're over 30...yes, your test levels will be lower than a 20 year old...usually. It's called getting old. The whole TRT is just a cop out to using gear. Just say you take xyz because you want to, but please don't bring age into it. I like when these guys come off and they look horridly frail. I always think, "looks like grandpa's blood test came back poorly...no more pretending old guy."
My test levels are probably low, as I'm closing in on 40. Yet I manage to do ok with nothing.
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Coleman, Branch Warren, J.,Jackson, Dugdale...the list goes on and on. It's bad enough they believe in an imaginary man in the sky, but spewing Gods plan bullshit and thanking God is the most laughable thing.
You have a serious drug problem, but want to come off as righteous and noble.
The hypocrisy.
Not to mention the example they set for teens.
Enter comments: it doesn't say anything about steroids in the bible. ::)
no one with half a brain reads this and finds you anything more than an asshole who is jealous of people who have good physiques and are actually capable of going out and getting pussy. you need to get laid. END OF THREAD.
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Shut the fuck up cause you dont know shit, nothing is wrong with christian injecting steroids they do it to be bigger and stronger in the pursuit of a goal, and if it was that big of a deal I am sure the bible would have said thou shalt not grow your muscles bigger cause jesus wont be impressed, on the other hand I am sure god looks down on ronnie and he is proud of the big muscle beast.
Yeah, I'm sure there were a lot of steroids around when they wrote the fictitious bible...haha. You must be joking. Pursuit of a goal. Anyone ever question the validity of that "goal". Maybe it was the wrong one. Some choose to be a doctor and help other. You could argue this is a more valid goal in life. I've already attained mine...surpass 5k post on getbig.
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Shut the fuck up cause you dont know shit, nothing is wrong with christian injecting steroids they do it to be bigger and stronger in the pursuit of a goal, and if it was that big of a deal I am sure the bible would have said thou shalt not grow your muscles bigger cause jesus wont be impressed, on the other hand I am sure god looks down on ronnie and he is proud of the big muscle beast.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SzE9-UB6PWI/AAAAAAAAERc/oVm2tBRBlII/s400/Ronnie+Coleman+Dressed+as+Moses+at+the+2006+Mr.+Olympia+Finals.jpg)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=42790&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SzJxeajsBbI/AAAAAAAAETE/mMauuPw-7U8/s1600-h/Ronnie+Coleman+and+Muscular+Christianity+at+the+2006+Mr.+Olympia+Finals.jpg)
shut up, loser. posting your pics yet? I didn't think so. LOSER!!
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no one with half a brain reads this and finds you anything more than an asshole who is jealous of people who have good physiques and are actually capable of going out and getting pussy. you need to get laid. END OF THREAD.
You live in my underwear and haven't paid me rent. Now I'm angry.
Get laid, get some friends, get a life....you sound like my nephew when he turned 13.
And don't speak for the masses Captain. "No one" with half a brain...so, you're speaking for the group of half wits. Did you appoint yourself to this chair?
It's great these guys want to juice themselves into health issues. I actually appreciate the entertainment. I was pointing out the walking hypocrites these folks are. Read the thread and you'll see how "no one" really just means you.
+1 on internet battles for the day. I knew something big was going to happen today...thanks Bud.
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Coleman, Branch Warren, J.,Jackson, Dugdale...the list goes on and on. It's bad enough they believe in an imaginary man in the sky, but spewing Gods plan bullshit and thanking God is the most laughable thing.
You have a serious drug problem, but want to come off as righteous and noble.
The hypocrisy.
Not to mention the example they set for teens.
Enter comments: it doesn't say anything about steroids in the bible. ::)
They're as full of crap as they are of drugs. It doesn't take an atheist to know this so what's your point?
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Speaking of religion, anyone ever go to church just to meet chicks?
Why would you want to pick up women in church they suck in bed they dont want to anything freaky cause they think its a sin, bunch of prudes.
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Coleman, Branch Warren, J.,Jackson, Dugdale...the list goes on and on. It's bad enough they believe in an imaginary man in the sky, but spewing Gods plan bullshit and thanking God is the most laughable thing.
You have a serious drug problem, but want to come off as righteous and noble.
The hypocrisy.
Not to mention the example they set for teens.
Enter comments: it doesn't say anything about steroids in the bible. ::)
why do you care so much what everyone else is doing?
your worse than a broad.
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Why would you want to pick up women in church they suck in bed they dont want to anything freaky cause they think its a sin, bunch of prudes.
Are you really this predictable or just trying too hard to be one of the "cool kids"?
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I always think it is stupid, self-righteous and selfish when sport players or any athlete thanks god or prays for a win. I mean, even if there is a god, do you really think he gives a flying fuck about sports or athletes? Wouldn't he care about more important things like child abuse, poverty, war, genocide? Yet, these self-righteous athletes are always praying for a victory. Save your prayers for something more important, dummy.
maybe he doesnt care about this stuff cause he doesnt exist?
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maybe he doesnt care about this stuff cause he doesnt exist?
That may well be true but until you die you won't know anything for certain. It's one thing to be an Atheist and another to be an assholist. Too many here fall under the latter category. Reeves was the former of those two and a finer example of what it means to be a non-believer I doubt I will ever know.
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Are you really this predictable or just trying too hard to be one of the "cool kids"?
I grew up in the church and I actually dated christian women before so I know what I am talking about I once had this girl who took 3 months to give up the pussy and it was only cause I got mad and threatened to break it off, luckily I was banging some sluts in the meantime cause who is going to sit down 3 months without getting laid.
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Yeah, I'm sure there were a lot of steroids around when they wrote the fictitious bible...haha. You must be joking. Pursuit of a goal. Anyone ever question the validity of that "goal". Maybe it was the wrong one. Some choose to be a doctor and help other. You could argue this is a more valid goal in life. I've already attained mine...surpass 5k post on getbig.
Croatch, with all due respect, I'm giving the absolute benefit of the doubt here and I'm assuming you've humbly desired to know the reality of God and sought him on his terms and found nothing in response? Based on the tone of your posts, I'm assuming that you acknowledged your offenses against God (your sin) and desired to be reconciled with him. I'm assuming you sought to know the risen God in Jesus Christ and that you claimed him as Savior and believed that he died as payment for you sins and that he did in fact rise from the dead and that there was absolutely nothing in response to your efforts. Is that correct?
Believe it or not, I genuinely do care about the members of this board.
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Coleman, Branch Warren, J.,Jackson, Dugdale...the list goes on and on. It's bad enough they believe in an imaginary man in the sky, but spewing Gods plan bullshit and thanking God is the most laughable thing.
You have a serious drug problem, but want to come off as righteous and noble.
The hypocrisy.
Not to mention the example they set for teens.
Enter comments: it doesn't say anything about steroids in the bible. ::)
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I grew up in the church and I actually dated christian women before so I know what I am talking about I once had this girl who took 3 months to give up the pussy and it was only cause I got mad and threatened to break it off, luckily I was banging some sluts in the meantime cause who is going to sit down 3 months without getting laid.
Eggs get laid and just once in life. What a cool kid you are.
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maybe he doesnt care about this stuff cause he doesnt exist?
As an atheist, I agree that I do not think a God exists.
I was speaking hypothetically, as if he did exist.
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As an atheist, I agree that I do not think a God exists.
I was speaking hypothetically, as if he did exist.
So I guess you came about because of an explosion in space and your perfectly formed body with everything in the right place was just an accident, what a dumbass you are.
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So I guess you came about because of an explosion in space and your perfectly formed body with everything in the right place was just an accident, what a dumbass you are.
is god responsible for handicaped newborns too?
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is god responsible for handicaped newborns too?
Of course, deformities are due to that individual being wicked in a past life, Gods just getting his own back.
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Of course, deformities are due to that individual being wicked in a past life, Gods just getting his own back.
this "inherited sins" story and the connected "baptism at birth story" suggest that God is breaking promise for playing his sick games on baptised babies
if i ever see this God son of a bitch in the urinal i will make smash his teeth on the urinal and stomp on his ballz
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So I guess you came about because of an explosion in space and your perfectly formed body with everything in the right place was just an accident, what a dumbass you are.
If you had a conjoined twin, I bet you'd give him a reach around and hope to make it back to yourself. You want to pick on something? Try your nose.
Please stop now. Your typing is making a mockery of the public school system.
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this "inherited sins" story and the connected "baptism at birth story" suggest that God is breaking promise for playing his sick games on baptised babies
if i ever see this God son of a bitch in the urinal i will make smash his teeth on the urinal and stomp on his ballz
See if God is all seeing and all knowing and as such he knows the outcome of everything why would he bother with us having our lives to see how it pans out, he already knows, or does he?
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this "inherited sins" story and the connected "baptism at birth story" suggest that God is breaking promise for playing his sick games on baptised babies
if i ever see this God son of a bitch in the urinal i will make smash his teeth on the urinal and stomp on his ballz
Halo my childish young friend, you need to stop while you're ahead because if you keep this up you're a dick.
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See if God is all seeing and all knowing and as such he knows the outcome of everything why would he bother with us having our lives to see how it pans out, he already knows, or does he?
uhm.....
the story in genesis is very clear
our entire life is basically nothing but suffering as punishment for jehova private apples plundering
he punish woman in particular with extreme labor pains and being submitted to males but crave his penis
and punish man with working shit jobs and woman to drive him nuts
it's right there in fucking book of fables
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Halo my childish young friend, you need to stop while you're ahead because if you keep this up you're a dick.
pointing out the "facts" of your "book of skyman" is being a dick?
alright then
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Haha. This sounds so Christian of you. Don't be mad I'm the one to tell you there is no Easter bunny. In another 50 years, religious will be the minority. Slowly through free thinking and science, religious bs is continuously called out and one day people will see...ahhh shit, I was lied to.
The only difference in Santa Claus and God is, adults still believe in God, yet there is no proof either existed. And please don't cite the bible as your proof.
"It's in a book, so it MUST be true."
You can believe what you want though. I'm sticking with my belief the world is flat.
Didnt read any of that ^ lol
but yeah, I just think your posts all suck multiple pounds of black cock.
ylls hth, gfy, ky.
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pointing out the "facts" of your "book of skyman" is being a dick?
alright then
Pipe down pipe cleaner arms. Your time would be better spent picking the zits from your delts than trying to be relevant let alone funny here on the forum.
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Pipe down pipe cleaner arms. Your time would be better spent picking the zits from your delts than trying to be relevant let alone funny here on the forum.
why don't you ask the skyman to stop me?
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why don't you ask the skyman to stop me?
Aren't you a clever manlet. "skyman". How like the adorable Down Syndrome child you are. Sans the adorable part. And of course those folks are not accountable for their condition or station in life. But you?
As to you pathetic query...Why would I do such a thing? I cannot prove the existence of God any more than you can disprove your total lack of intellect, masculinity and honor. Character is much easier kept than regained and having researched your pathetic words of wisdom on this board I can assure you that outside any gimmicks you have here none would vouchsafe for you.
Look it up, maroon.
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lol at melting down so hard over offending your imaginary man crush
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lol at melting down so hard over offending your imaginary man crush
You must be even more idiotic than I initially suspected. Typical "getdumber" response. You have a wonderful economy with words, kid. Go intercourse yourself.
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You live in my underwear and haven't paid me rent. Now I'm angry.
Get laid, get some friends, get a life....you sound like my nephew when he turned 13.
And don't speak for the masses Captain. "No one" with half a brain...so, you're speaking for the group of half wits. Did you appoint yourself to this chair?
It's great these guys want to juice themselves into health issues. I actually appreciate the entertainment. I was pointing out the walking hypocrites these folks are. Read the thread and you'll see how "no one" really just means you.
+1 on internet battles for the day. I knew something big was going to happen today...thanks Bud.
you'd be amazed what getting laid once in a while and having a friend or two would do for you. maybe you wouldn't sit around being aggravated by guys with bigger muscles than you.
why do you assume that guys who use testosterone are unhealthy? why do you assume that taking testosterone is a sin?
are you one of the idiots who believe that there is no practical use for testosterone? do you believe that taking synthetic estrogen is unhealthy as well?
I firmly believe that you will have no answers to any of these questions other than idiotic quips meant to make yourself feel better about never getting any pussy.
thanks Bud................
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You must be even more idiotic than I initially suspected. Typical "getdumber" response. You have a wonderful economy with words, kid. Go intercourse yourself.
backwards imbecile who believes in book of fables, invisible man in the sky etc calling me "idiotic"
lol
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Todd Keen And The Power Team-God Made You To Win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I remember on the Christian channel watching these roided up strong men tearing yellow pages and smashing cinder blocks. ;D
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backwards imbecile who believes in book of fables, invisible man in the sky etc calling me "idiotic"
lol
Easy there Forrest. By the way, your skirt is showing. In the real world I would female dog slap your pathetic manlet self upside that pumpkin of a noggin and you would take it because I am reality and you are a bitchlet.
Room temperature IQ and your parents obviously set the thermostat low.
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this "inherited sins" story and the connected "baptism at birth story" suggest that God is breaking promise for playing his sick games on baptised babies
if i ever see this God son of a bitch in the urinal i will make smash his teeth on the urinal and stomp on his ballz
pointing out the "facts" of your "book of skyman" is being a dick?
alright then
Not at all a bad thing to point out passages of scripture. I'll do the same.
Ezekiel 18:20
20 The person who sins is the one who will die. The child will not be punished for the parent’s sins, and the parent will not be punished for the child’s sins. Righteous people will be rewarded for their own righteous behavior, and wicked people will be punished for their own wickedness.
We are born with a sinful nature inherited from our parents, but children are not responsible for their parent's sins. We bear the guilt or mark of our parent's sins in the form of our sinful nature.
But scripture states that the iniquities of the father will be visited upon the children to the 3rd and 4th generations?
Yes, it does but the idea here is the broad sweeping impact of a father leading their family into sin….raising them in idolatry, sexual immorality, violence and other various pagan perversions. Again, this passage speaks of the passing of a sinful nature and teaching their children to engage that sinful nature by practicing sinful behavior.
Look at nations of biblical folks such as the Amalakites and Canaanites that God eventually punished for their reprobate behavior. He allowed them to remain unrepentant for hundreds and hundreds of years before finally pronouncing judgement upon them. They had every opportunity to turn from their unrighteousness to God’s righteousness and they refused. With each generation, a sinful nature was passed from parent to child and sinful practices were taught to children and encouraged by their parents.
On a sidenote, you also have to realize that the Hebrew language is quite small. One individual can memorize every word in the language so attempts at producing new translations from the same available manuscripts can produce slightly different translations in terms of OT material. Not all linguists agree on how words translate. Often times the differences are very slight, but occassionally they're significant.
For example, the word "yom" in Hebrew means day, but "yom" can be translated according to 5 or 6 correct definitions. In terms of the Genesis creation account some textual critics say "yom" means a literal 24-hour day and other textual critics say that same "yom" means an age or expanse of time. In the vast majority of cases the context helps define the passage.
Now in terms of children I’ve noted the following previously:
Now not every person that existed is automatically a sinner or guilty. How do we know this? Children. They have inherited a sinful nature, but are not yet sinners.
When I read about King David’s child with Bathsheba passing away and David suggesting that as a believer he would he see his child again in God’s kingdom it affirmed for me the innocence of children and others with disabilities that prevent them from making an honest choice about sin and Christ in their lives. They don’t need salvation because being saved by grace through faith in Christ means we are saved from the wrath/judgment of God. The innocents need not fear God’s wrath for they are without blame or need for judgment.
“Jesus called a little child to him and put the child among them. Then he said, ‘I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven. So anyone who becomes as humble as this little child is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven.’”
Christ also indicated how severely those that cause the children (the little ones) to fall into sin would be judged. The children are lead into sin and out of innocence.
As believers in Christ we are saved by grace through faith and thereby justified and deemed righteous….like the innocents who are inherently righteous we become like the them through Christ. Anyone who comes to God and desires forgivenessness and righteousness will be deemed as such. Even before Christ came to earth as the incarnate son and perfect sacrifice for our sin, there was Abraham and he “believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith."”
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Religion is used to gain money and power. Nothing more nothing less.
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Yeah, I get the "refusal to read the wall of text" all the time......standard fair, par for the course, etc....
It's easy to post an objection in two sentences. Providing an answer to the objection is the challenging part, but I've given you that.
I hope you at least consider it, but I certainly can't force you. It took me about 20 minutes to compile my answer. It should take you all of 3 minutes to read it.
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Religion is used to gain money and power. Nothing more nothing less.
I agree. But faith in the Christ is used to gain peace. Faith in the Christ. Not in man. Not in some minister. Not in something of this world. The Christ.
Faith.
Be well.
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I agree. But faith in the Christ is used to gain peace. Faith in the Christ. Not in man. Not in some minister. Not in something of this world. The Christ.
Faith.
Be well.
Goodbye, and may your God go with you.
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is god responsible for handicaped newborns too?
A lot of babies are born deformed because of the lifestyle and diet and drug choices of the parents or due to chemical or other types of pollution in the area but we are quick to blame everything on god instead of pointing at ourselves.
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uhm.....
the story in genesis is very clear
he punish woman in particular with extreme labor pains and being submitted to males but crave his penis
and punish man with working shit jobs and woman to drive him nuts
it's right there in fucking book of fables
Sounds like the book of Johnny Falcon
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I always think it is stupid, self-righteous and selfish when sport players or any athlete thanks god or prays for a win. I mean, even if there is a god, do you really think he gives a flying fuck about sports or athletes? Wouldn't he care about more important things like child abuse, poverty, war, genocide? Yet, these self-righteous athletes are always praying for a victory. Save your prayers for something more important, dummy.
This times 1000
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Croatch, post up your inspirational all natural training video from back in the day. It was awesome.
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Croatch, post up your inspirational all natural training video from back in the day. It was awesome.
It had a good run of 110k views. That would be reaching though.
I marvel at those who quote a fictitious book and more so, live their life by it...bible thumpers simply believe what their told since being a youngster. It makes you wonder, if someone never told them Santa wasn't real, they'd still be leaving milk and cookies on Dec. 24th each year.
I look forward to future religious wars where people bomb and kill to prove their God is right. Yes, the US does it all the time. I remember Bush ending his goofy speeches with "God Bless America"...uhh and what, fuck those guys were bombing Tuesday? Haha.
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There is obviously a spectrum of sinning. Eating a burger, probably not. Taking illegal substances, perhaps. Do you think God is okay with people destroying their bodies and minds with drugs? God supposedly created each one of us in his own image. Our bodies and minds are sacred. I am sure God would not be praising those who stuck illegal drugs in their body.
All those bodybuilders that died for us may be in Hell.
So if they were legal, like alcohol, itd be permissible with God? During the prohibition He was against alcohol but once the law was changed He changed His stance?
The real problem is people have decided to "know" God's answers but they don't "know" God.
I like Croatch and enjoy his postings but for someone who doesn't believe in God yet he knows how those who claim to know Him should live, fascinating. Great post though!
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i used to read the bible alot and be into it,i was juicing at the time and always felt alot of guilt every time i injected myself. i knew it just wasnt right period.whoever tries to justify is full of shit and lying to themselves. TRT though i think is OK, all u r doing is fixing a medical issue since your test levels r low,no different than a guy taking high blood pressure p[ills or asthma medicine
Why would TRT be OK though, our bodies are meant to stop producing high levels of testosterone after a certain age; but because in this case society says it's OK so God is OK with it?
Smoking used to be socially accepted for everyone. As we learned the dangers of it Christians changed their views; I think it's safe to say God's view never changed.
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It had a good run of 110k views. That would be reaching though.
I marvel at those who quote a fictitious book and more so, live their life by it...bible thumpers simply believe what their told since being a youngster. It makes you wonder, if someone never told them Santa wasn't real, they'd still be leaving milk and cookies on Dec. 24th each year.
I look forward to future religious wars where people bomb and kill to prove their God is right. Yes, the US does it all the time. I remember Bush ending his goofy speeches with "God Bless America"...uhh and what, fuck those guys were bombing Tuesday? Haha.
the Bible is the most factually documented book in history.
People all throughout the world live their lives however they want buy whatever rules, beliefs, superstitions and customs they chose.
What is it about the Christian lifestyle you find so interesting? Their hypocrisy? Their struggle with their faith? All of the recordered individuals in the Bible (expect for Jesus) were hhypocrites, why would the followers today be any different?
Just living a life based on the morals of the Bible would be good for society ( I'm not even talking about a faith/ religious beliefs either).
I'm not attacking you dude, I think you're a smart and funny guy and I'm very interested in your opinion.
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So if they were legal, like alcohol, itd be permissible with God? During the prohibition He was against alcohol but once the law was changed He changed His stance?
The real problem is people have decided to "know" God's answers but they don't "know" God.
I like Croatch and enjoy his postings but for someone who doesn't believe in God yet he knows how those who claim to know Him should live, fascinating. Great post though!
I was just using the illegal substances as an example. Any substance, legal or illegal, that destroys the mind or body, may be considered self-suicide, according to a God.
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I always think it is stupid, self-righteous and selfish when sport players or any athlete thanks god or prays for a win. I mean, even if there is a god, do you really think he gives a flying fuck about sports or athletes? Wouldn't he care about more important things like child abuse, poverty, war, genocide? Yet, these self-righteous athletes are always praying for a victory. Save your prayers for something more important, dummy.
if the skyman aint responding to the people suffering these then why would he listen to athelete ::)
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I was just using the illegal substances as an example. Any substance, legal or illegal, that destroys the mind or body, may be considered self-suicide, according to a God.
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I understand.
I'm not disagreeing but in that same vein what would be the view of those who's obesity causes heart failure (or numerous other health defects that ultimately lead to an "early" death). By OUR viewpoint they would be just as guilty as self suicide.
I'm not saying you're wrong but I'm just pointing out the fact that Christians like to say suicide with a gun is wrong but a slow suicide via a fork isn't the same; or occasionally speeding isn't a big deal (unless you speed in rainy weather causes death), etc....
I guess my point is not everything is black and white, there is a large gray area in life, and I like to evaluate why we believe what we do, especially when it concerns God and His ways.
Thank you for the input though.
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if the skyman aint responding to the people suffering these then why would he listen to athelete ::)
Halo you know your bible, just because He hasn't responded when we wanted Him to doesn't mean He's not listening.
Why did it take 7 plagues before Pharaoh would let the Israelite's leave Egypt (after 400 + years of enslavement) only to change his mind and chase after them and corner them at the Red Sea (mind you the Hebrews prayed for their freedom for years and when they finally got it they wanted to go back to slavery).
It's because the scripture tells us that God hardened Pharaohs heart so that God's name would be exalted.
Life is bigger than our individual experiences.....
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Halo you know your bible, just because He hasn't responded when we wanted Him to doesn't mean He's not listening.
Why did it take 7 plagues before Pharaoh would let the Israelite's leave Egypt (after 400 + years of enslavement) only to change his mind and chase after them and corner them at the Red Sea (mind you the Hebrews prayed for their freedom for years and when they finally got it they wanted to go back to slavery).
It's because the scripture tells us that God hardened Pharaohs heart so that God's name would be exalted.
Life is bigger than our individual experiences.....
yeah u rigtht!
or maybe
it's just a book of fables ???
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yeah u rigtht!
or maybe
it's just a book of fables ???
Don't lose your faith brother, life on earth isn't meant to be our greatest accomplishment.
Jesus is our example. His Kingdom wasn't of this earth.
Your best days are ahead of you.
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yeah u rigtht!
or maybe
it's just a book of fables ???
"For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written,
'I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.'
Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men."
(1 Corinthians 18-25
http://www.reasons.org/articles/articles/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-for-the-reliability-of-the-bible
http://creation.com/trust-the-bible
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Who would believe in 2000 years old script ;D
Getting cold in CH, Mr.Croat ;)
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you need god to protect your heart and kidneys from juice
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Croatch, with all due respect, I'm giving the absolute benefit of the doubt here and I'm assuming you've humbly desired to know the reality of God and sought him on his terms and found nothing in response? Based on the tone of your posts, I'm assuming that you acknowledged your offenses against God (your sin) and desired to be reconciled with him. I'm assuming you sought to know the risen God in Jesus Christ and that you claimed him as Savior and believed that he died as payment for you sins and that he did in fact rise from the dead and that there was absolutely nothing in response to your efforts. Is that correct?
Believe it or not, I genuinely do care about the members of this board.
Fair and thoughtful, as always, but big mistake.
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Enter comments: it doesn't say anything about steroids in the bible. ::)
So what's your problem then? ;D
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Dude, you're constantly praising Jehovah and Ronnie's Christianity, what gives with the insults all of a sudden?
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if the skyman aint responding to the people suffering these then why would he listen to athelete ::)
Yes but the skyman is making u bald halo, u need to get transplant asap :D ;D
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It had a good run of 110k views. That would be reaching though.
I marvel at those who quote a fictitious book and more so, live their life by it...bible thumpers simply believe what their told since being a youngster. It makes you wonder, if someone never told them Santa wasn't real, they'd still be leaving milk and cookies on Dec. 24th each year.
I look forward to future religious wars where people bomb and kill to prove their God is right. Yes, the US does it all the time. I remember Bush ending his goofy speeches with "God Bless America"...uhh and what, fuck those guys were bombing Tuesday? Haha.
It's funny didn't u disappear from here for a while and then now out of nowhere started posting again? ;D haha same ole negative posts after posts
5'6 tatted up liberal right? Oops forgot u are 5'8 now :D
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It's funny didn't u disappear from here for a while and then now out of nowhere started posting again? ;D haha same ole negative posts after posts
5'6 tatted up liberal right? Oops forgot u are 5'8 now :D
Haha..
he does post like an "edgy" undersized libcunt.
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That may well be true but until you die you won't know anything for certain. It's one thing to be an Atheist and another to be an assholist. Too many here fall under the latter category. Reeves was the former of those two and a finer example of what it means to be a non-believer I doubt I will ever know.
If it is true, Scott, we won't know anything then, either. Thought is extinguished at death.
Regarding the bitterly self-righteous OP's assertion: Seems bodybuilding in general is a vain endeavor for the vast majority, and God's not a fan of pride and vanity. Also, if the roids are obtained illegally, I believe God mentions you must not only obey His Law but Man's Law as well.
So there's that.
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If it is true, Scott, we won't know anything then, either. Thought is extinguished at death.
Regarding the bitterly self-righteous OP's assertion: Seems bodybuilding in general is a vain endeavor for the vast majority, and God's not a fan of pride and vanity. Also, if the roids are obtained illegally, I believe God mentions you must not only obey His Law but Man's Law as well.
So there's that.
Hey man, have U ever get that Aussie "Bikers War" TV series ?, about MC's Bandidos/Comancheros .
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I'm not a 'heavy' juicer, but have been on for years. At one point I was on a lot of gear.
I'm a christian and have been known to thump my bible.
The Apostle Paul said "All things are lawful, yet not all are profitable"
Jesus said "Render to Ceasar what it Ceasar's" in other words, obey your country's laws even if you don't like them.
So this is where I stand on gear and Christianity - In UK gear is not illegal if it's for personal use, so i'm good with that side of things.
With respect to it being 'helpful/profitable' taking steriods, as long as i'm monitoring my body and adjusting use/stopping accordingly then it's no different than someone who eats too much sugar and doesn't check their health etc.
You can't say "Christians shouldn't take steriods, but they can make other health choices that negatively affect them/those around them"
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In another 50 years, religious will be the minority. Slowly through free thinking and science, religious bs is continuously called out and one day people will see...ahhh shit, I was lied to.
You are aware that people were saying the same thing 50 years ago? ???
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Croatch is so short and bitter, garden gnomes have a restraining order against him for headbutting them.
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Yes but the skyman is making u bald halo, u need to get transplant asap :D ;D
the skyman is well known for sending bears to butcher those who laugh at slap heads
beware of bears if you choose to continue mocking me
skyman is not mocked
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If it is true, Scott, we won't know anything then, either. Thought is extinguished at death.
Regarding the bitterly self-righteous OP's assertion: Seems bodybuilding in general is a vain endeavor for the vast majority, and God's not a fan of pride and vanity. Also, if the roids are obtained illegally, I believe God mentions you must not only obey His Law but Man's Law as well.
So there's that.
I agree completely because there is just as much chance of that coming to pass as of what I hold true. Just because I wear shoes does not mean that the world must wear the same brand or for that matter any shoes at all.
Of course the possibility that nothing awaits us saddens me all the more as it would mean that once I am gone, so to is everyone I ever knew. There would be no hope of more, if you will. If we are made in His image then our only fault is that we do not live in it as we should. I hope that made sense. If the Christ behaved as did so many men before and after Him, I would shun him. I am a very poor example of what it means to know the Christ but never will I lie and say otherwise. There is no sin in doubt. Just what it means to be human. You cannot make a leap of faith in two jumps.
Unless there is someone waiting to catch you after that first jump. So it is with the Christ. Again, I am a very poor example of a believer but I will question and test my faith because it is neither a blind nor a dead faith.
In all ways and for always, be well my friend.
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I agree. Seems pretty hypocritical....Injectin g illegal, potentially dangerous drugs into the body (temple) God gave you.
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I agree. Seems pretty hypocritical....Injectin g illegal, potentially dangerous drugs into the body (temple) God gave you.
That God created.
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Coleman, Branch Warren, J.,Jackson, Dugdale...the list goes on and on. It's bad enough they believe in an imaginary man in the sky, but spewing Gods plan bullshit and thanking God is the most laughable thing.
You have a serious drug problem, but want to come off as righteous and noble.
The hypocrisy.
Not to mention the example they set for teens.
Enter comments: it doesn't say anything about steroids in the bible. ::)
dude that's like half the list. all those texas boys go cry at church on sundays. Brian Dobson is the worst! He talks all that religous mumbo jumbo while he trains corey part of it is funny to me. I'm not a very religious dude! for once croatch I agree with you now tell me is your sister available these days?
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But, but... the Bible says nothing about peds ::)
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If Jesus were alive today, he would definitely be juicing and taking selfies.
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I agree completely because there is just as much chance of that coming to pass as of what I hold true. Just because I wear shoes does not mean that the world must wear the same brand or for that matter any shoes at all.
Of course the possibility that nothing awaits us saddens me all the more as it would mean that once I am gone, so to is everyone I ever knew. There would be no hope of more, if you will. If we are made in His image then our only fault is that we do not live in it as we should. I hope that made sense. If the Christ behaved as did so many men before and after Him, I would shun him. I am a very poor example of what it means to know the Christ but never will I lie and say otherwise. There is no sin in doubt. Just what it means to be human. You cannot make a leap of faith in two jumps.
Unless there is someone waiting to catch you after that first jump. So it is with the Christ. Again, I am a very poor example of a believer but I will question and test my faith because it is neither a blind nor a dead faith.
In all ways and for always, be well my friend.
At the risk of upsetting Adonis and being bunched with the "morons" again, I totally agree with the hopeless sadness that accompanies an accidental universe. It is what it is, I believe, but I don't have to like it. Love my family and friends too much to comfortably accept that I will never see them again or that eternal nothingness isn't depressing as hell. Unfortunately, I've always been very skeptical and science/logic-minded, which makes me incapable of having faith in ideas that don't personally add up.
At the very least, I take comfort knowing my family has faith that death (mine, theirs, whomevers) is not the end for them/us. And here's the upside, Scott. For you guys, you win either way. If you're right, eternal love and happiness. If you're wrong, you'll never know, but dying itself will be less traumatic with hope.
I'm only ok if I'm right. And even that is a depressing ok.
Be well.
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The good lord is probably more concerned with fat asses than roiders.
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Hey man, have U ever get that Aussie "Bikers War" TV series ?, about MC's Bandidos/Comancheros .
Might have seen it. Is it on the History Channel?
Here we've got H.A. and the Mongols at war for years now. Just had a big scrap on the freeway out by my folks. Parked their bikes, stopping traffic, and went at it with chains, bats, and blades, maybe. No one killed.
Also got the Vagos, but they seem to just be watching from the sidelines.
Mongols seem to be causing the most trouble. Years ago, they recruited straight gang-bangers, who didn't even ride. Just wanted the extra numbers for their frequent battles and more street soldiers to cash in on the dope trade. Even got tied up with the Mexican Mafia, who pretty much run the prisons and streets of SoCal.
Started drawing lots of unwanted police attention, which pissed off quite a few oldtimers, considering these thugs weren't even bikers. Shook up membership for a while, but the president ("Doc") ended up in prison, so I have no idea what's up with them now, other than that they're still scary as fuck.
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At the risk of upsetting Adonis and being bunched with the "morons" again, I totally agree with the hopeless sadness that accompanies an accidental universe. It is what it is, I believe, but I don't have to like it. Love my family and friends too much to comfortably accept that I will never see them again or that eternal nothingness isn't depressing as hell. Unfortunately, I've always been very skeptical and science/logic-minded, which makes me incapable of having faith in ideas that don't personally add up.
At the very least, I take comfort knowing my family has faith and that death (mine, there's, whomevers) is not the end for them. And here's the upside, Scott. For you guys, you win either way. If you're right, eternal love and happiness. If you're wrong, you'll never know, but dying itself will be less traumatic with hope.
I'm only ok if I'm right. And even that is a depressing ok.
Be well.
My friend, you're a good man.....I wish more atheists/agnostics were like you and Archer.
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At the risk of upsetting Adonis and being bunched with the "morons" again, I totally agree with the hopeless sadness that accompanies an accidental universe. It is what it is, I believe, but I don't have to like it. Love my family and friends too much to comfortably accept that I will never see them again or that eternal nothingness isn't depressing as hell. Unfortunately, I've always been very skeptical and science/logic-minded, which makes me incapable of having faith in ideas that don't personally add up.
At the very least, I take comfort knowing my family has faith and that death (mine, there's, whomevers) is not the end for them. And here's the upside, Scott. For you guys, you win either way. If you're right, eternal love and happiness. If you're wrong, you'll never know, but dying itself will be less traumatic with hope.
I'm only ok if I'm right. And even that is a depressing ok.
Be well.
This sort of sounds like the argument put forth by Pascal Wager, which has been taken to task many times. There are many good counterarguments to this line of thinking; they win either way, i.e., because if there is a heaven they get to go there and if there isn't a heaven, then their life and/or death is still happier than an atheists. Sorry, I do not believe this to be true at all.
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My friend, you're a good man.....I wish more atheists/agnostics were like you and Archer.
Ask yourself, MOS, why do you wish more atheists/agnostics were like The Ugly? Because on this one point he agrees with the The Scott on this point (That you and him win either way because you're theists). I do not understand this line of reasoning. You're basically saying you only like atheists that agree with you or "pump" up your religion like The Ugly just did? Why can't you like an atheist who wholeheartedly disagrees with you?
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Croatch nips of peace ::)
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My friend, you're a good man.....I wish more atheists/agnostics were like you and Archer.
Thanks, pal. Good, friendly people are far more important to me than politics, religion, etc. Much rather be nice and respectful to someone decent with whom I disagree than deal with an idiot who's on my side.
We're as far apart as can be on the most important issue of all (to many), but you remain the coolest, fairest guy here, who takes way more shit than necessary. But you never stoop, and you're still here. And I think I know why, which only makes me respect you more.
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This sort of sounds like the argument put forth by Pascal Wager, which has been taken to task many times. There are many good counterarguments to this line of thinking; they win either way, i.e., because if there is a heaven they get to go there and if there isn't a heaven, then their life and/or death is still happier than an atheists. Sorry, I do not believe this to be true at all.
No, totally misunderstood. Pascal would only apply if I were to invoke it. Scott is a legitimate believer, so if his belief holds true, he reaches paradise. I admitted I couldn't believe if I tried. Wager doesn't apply at all in this case.
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This sort of sounds like the argument put forth by Pascal Wager, which has been taken to task many times. There are many good counterarguments to this line of thinking; they win either way, i.e., because if there is a heaven they get to go there and if there isn't a heaven, then their life and/or death is still happier than an atheists. Sorry, I do not believe this to be true at all.
Not quite sure you understand Pascal's Wager correctly.
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Not quite sure you understand Pascal's Wager correctly.
That is why I said it "SORT OF SOUNDS" like the argument.
I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying.
Are you disheartened by the fact that believers will reach paradise if they are correct and you won't?
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It applies exclusively to atheists. More specifically, deathbed atheists, if I remember correctly. "Hey, why not accept God just I'm case I'm wrong, cover my ass and all." This is an atheist talking. Obviously it is flawed because you can't fake faith, with God knowing your true heart and all.
Was never intended for believers, and had nothing to do with whether their lives were more or less fulfilling than agnostics/atheists. And the dying with hope part was my thought, not Pascal's. Makes complete sense to me, but totally fine if you disagree. No worries.
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It applies exclusively to atheists. More specifically, deathbed atheists, if I remember correctly. "Hey, why not accept God just I'm case I'm wrong, cover my ass and all." This is an atheist talking. Obviously it is flawed because you can't fake faith, with God knowing your true heart and all.
Was never intended for believers, and had nothing to do with whether their lives were more or less fulfilling than agnostics/atheists. And the dying with hope part was my thought, not Pascal's. Makes complete sense to me, but totally fine if you disagree. No worries.
I never said it didn't make complete sense. I admitted I misinterpreted what you said. That is much different than me saying your argument did not make complete sense. I can totally see why your argument makes sense, it doesn't mean I have to agree with it (as you said, it is totally fine if I disagree with you).
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That is why I said it "SORT OF SOUNDS" like the argument.
I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying.
Are you disheartened by the fact that believers will reach paradise if they are correct and you won't?
Not disheartened, no. If I'm wrong, I'd be FUCKING TERRIFIED! That would mean hell, which is fairly warm and unkempt, I hear.
But nothing in this world could make me believe such things, so I don't worry about. Though I do contemplate nothingness, which I fully expect, and that doesn't sound overly encouraging, either. But I'll never experience it. Still not very comforting.
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I never said it didn't make complete sense. I admitted I misinterpreted what you said. That is much different than me saying your argument did not make complete sense. I can totally see why your argument makes sense, it doesn't mean I have to agree with it (as you said, it is totally fine if you disagree with me).
I was typing while you posted your reply, so you'll have to excuse the timing. Wouldn't have expanded otherwise.
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Not disheartened, no. If I'm wrong, I'd be FUCKING TERRIFIED! That would mean hell, which is fairly warm and unkempt, I hear.
But nothing in this world could make me believe such things, so I don't worry about. Though I do contemplate nothingness, which I fully expect, and that doesn't sound overly encouraging, either. But I'll never experience it. Still not very comforting.
I am not terrified what happens after I die. However, I am terrified at death itself. I cannot "accept" that I will cease to be a conscious being. It's very baffling to me. The idea of nothingness seems bizarre to me. I sort of obsess about my own death; I think about it a lot.
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I am not terrified what happens after I die. However, I am terrified at death itself. I cannot "accept" that I will cease to be a conscious being. It's very baffling to me. The idea of nothingness seems bizarre to me. I sort of obsess about my own death; I think about it a lot.
Will be just like before you were born. In a way we have already been dead.
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I am not terrified what happens after I die. However, I am terrified at death itself. I cannot "accept" that I will cease to be a conscious being. It's very baffling to me. The idea of nothingness seems bizarre to me. I sort of obsess about my own death; I think about it a lot.
Isn't that pretty much what I said?
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Will be just like before you were born. In a way we have already been dead.
True, but as a conscious being, it still sucks to think that I will eventually be nothing. I have my whole life to think about my death. Yes, once I die it will not matter, but the anticipation of it totally sucks.
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Will be just like before you were born. In a way we have already been dead.
Think Twain was first to mention that.
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Isn't that pretty much what I said?
No. You said, "If I'm wrong, I'd be FUCKING TERRIFIED! That would mean hell, which is fairly warm and unkempt, I hear."
This implies to me that you are terrified about what will happen after death (you don't want to go to hell because it is warm and unkempt).
I said I was not not terrified of what happens to me after death.
Did I miss something?
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No. You said, "If I'm wrong, I'd be FUCKING TERRIFIED! That would mean hell, which is fairly warm and unkempt, I hear."
This implies to me that you are terrified about what will happen after death (you don't want to go to hell because it is warm and unkempt).
I said I was not not terrified of what happens to me after death.
Did I miss something?
Yes. You missed the question you asked me directly before, which I was answering for you up top. Please reread in context, then notice how my second paragraph were my true feelings, which was pretty much what you posted right after.
Then maybe go start an argument with someone else. Not really into conflict this early.
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if skyman wanted us to be natural we wouldnt be twinks when off drugs and supermen when on drugs
unless of course
skyman want to keep us down
oh wait ::)
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Think Twain was first to mention that.
Now that you mention it I do remember a famous quote of his. Something about I don't fear death, I've been dead for billions of years... Something like that.
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Ask yourself, MOS, why do you wish more atheists/agnostics were like The Ugly? Because on this one point he agrees with the The Scott on this point (That you and him win either way because you're theists). I do not understand this line of reasoning. You're basically saying you only like atheists that agree with you or "pump" up your religion like The Ugly just did? Why can't you like an atheist who wholeheartedly disagrees with you?
The Ugly and I have talked in many different threads publically and privately and the discussion has been positive.
You and I have now done the same. We started off very rocky LOL, but things have changed in very good way. I would easily categorize you with Ugly and Archer now.....and should have in my previous post.
I like avxo as well....I think he's an intelligent man that enjoys discussion and he makes me think. There are other very positive atheists/agnostics on this board.
Neither ugly, archer, avxo or yourself agree with my beliefs, but that isn't at all what is important. What is important is that despite disagreement we can still engage in discussion and end our discussion without cursing each other out or talking about each other's mothers.
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Ancient Astronaut theory makes a lot more sense than the super natural theory.
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The Ugly and I have talked in many different threads publically and privately and the discussion has been positive.
You and I have now done the same. We started off very rocky LOL, but things have changed in very good way. I would easily categorize you with Ugly and Archer now.....and should have in my previous post.
I like avxo as well....I think he's an intelligent man that enjoys discussion and he makes me think. There are other very positive atheists/agnostics on this board.
Neither ugly, archer, avxo or yourself agree with my beliefs, but that isn't at all what is important. What is important is that despite disagreement we can still engage in discussion and end our discussion without cursing each other out or talking about each other's mothers.
I can drink to that! :D :D
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At the risk of upsetting Adonis and being bunched with the "morons" again, I totally agree with the hopeless sadness that accompanies an accidental universe. It is what it is, I believe, but I don't have to like it. Love my family and friends too much to comfortably accept that I will never see them again or that eternal nothingness isn't depressing as hell. Unfortunately, I've always been very skeptical and science/logic-minded, which makes me incapable of having faith in ideas that don't personally add up.
At the very least, I take comfort knowing my family has faith that death (mine, there's, whomevers) is not the end for them/us. And here's the upside, Scott. For you guys, you win either way. If you're right, eternal love and happiness. If you're wrong, you'll never know, but dying itself will be less traumatic with hope.
I'm only ok if I'm right. And even that is a depressing ok.
Be well.
Are you just as bothered by the time you werent here before you were born?
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Are you just as bothered by the time you werent here before you were born?
I was never conscious in order to contemplate it. Am now is all.
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No, totally misunderstood. Pascal would only apply if I were to invoke it. Scott is a legitimate believer, so if his belief holds true, he reaches paradise. I admitted I couldn't believe if I tried. Wager doesn't apply at all in this case.
I have my moments of doubt, believe me my friend. And I often ask myself these (and more) questions -
Is it truly paradise if those I know, love and care for are not allowed in because they asked for "more" i.e., "proof". Why is disbelief a sin when proof of something worthy of belief is absent enough to warrant not believing? I can survive eternity knowing scum are in Hell but not such as you. If I know the difference between "justice" and "just us", how much more so a loving God?
What the Christ taught is more than worthy but we have been over two thousand years in waiting and yet we are still expected to have faith in His return. There will always be "wars and rumors of wars". Signs come and go and still we wait.
There is more but I shall not bore anyone for now.
As always be well.
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I have my moments of doubt, believe me my friend. And I often ask myself these (and more) questions -
Is it truly paradise if those I know, love and care for are not allowed in because they asked for "more" i.e., "proof". Why is disbelief a sin when proof of something worthy of belief is absent enough to warrant not believing? I can survive eternity knowing scum are in Hell but not such as you. If I know the difference between "justice" and "just us", how much more so a loving God?
What the Christ taught is more than worthy but we have been over two thousand years in waiting and yet we are still expected to have faith in His return. There will always be "wars and rumors of wars". Signs come and go and still we wait.
There is more but I shall not bore anyone for now.
As always be well.
It's my understanding that Christ's apostles and followers were expecting His return in their lifetimes, which also seems to be the case with every generation since. I see how this can cause doubt and frustration.
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You can not apply logic to religion. "God works in mysterious ways" negates anything you can ever say.
Alot of the same in psychology too.
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Most are phonies, just like pervert Priests...
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mega dosing for christ ::)
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Some people want it all without ever having to give it their all. Train for health and the life it gives you.
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True, but as a conscious being, it still sucks to think that I will eventually be nothing. I have my whole life to think about my death. Yes, once I die it will not matter, but the anticipation of it totally sucks.
Have you ever been under anesthesia? I was under this year for the first time since I had my tonsils out when I ten. When I awoke in the recovery room I honestly felt like had come back from the dead. It has made me fear death less because all I remember is that it was like sleep without dreams.
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Have you ever been under anesthesia? I was under this year for the first time since I had my tonsils out when I ten. When I awoke in the recovery room I honestly felt like had come back from the dead. It has made me fear death less because all I remember is that it was like sleep without dreams.
Sleep is death sans the possibility of responsibility.
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Have you ever been under anesthesia? I was under this year for the first time since I had my tonsils out when I ten. When I awoke in the recovery room I honestly felt like had come back from the dead. It has made me fear death less because all I remember is that it was like sleep without dreams.
Yes, Ive had plenty of surgeries. I remember slowly going to sleep as the anesthesia was taking its effect. It actually felt very relaxing.
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Yes, Ive had plenty of surgeries. I remember slowly going to sleep as the anesthesia was taking its effect. It actually felt very relaxing.
When I woke up I told my gf I had never slept better!
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On a side note, "The Bible Thumpers" would be a great name for a band...
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Yes, Ive had plenty of surgeries. I remember slowly going to sleep as the anesthesia was taking its effect. It actually felt very relaxing.
Getting endoscopy Thursday, they put you out for that, right? I'm positive I'd gag out my breakfast all over Doc if not.
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Getting endoscopy Thursday, they put you out for that, right? I'm positive I'd gag out my breakfast all over Doc if not.
Went under monday so doc could fix my broken hand.
I've gone under 3 times in last 4 years. It feels almost instantaneous to me. Don't remember goin out and suddenly I'm wakin up and it's done LOL.
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Went under monday so doc could fix my broken hand.
I've gone under 3 times in last 4 years. It feels almost instantaneous to me. Don't remember goin out and suddenly I'm wakin up and it's done LOL.
I'm kinda hoping they handle me Joan Rivers-style. Wouldn't be such a bad way to go, right?
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Getting endoscopy Thursday, they put you out for that, right? I'm positive I'd gag out my breakfast all over Doc if not.
yes, i had one and i was out cold. Dont remember shit. Once the anesthesia takes hold, its lights out, game over, like a ronnie colemans back double bicep pose.
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yes, i had one and i was out cold.
Did they do a biopsy on your stomach? My stomach's been fucked for over a year now, can't find anything. Wondering if digging out a chunk is gonna cause even more pain when I come to.
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Did they do a biopsy on your stomach? My stomach's been fucked for over a year now, can't find anything. Wondering if digging out a chunk is gonna cause even more pain when I come to.
Nope, no biopsy. I was getting bad stomach pains, so they wanted to see what was going on. My stomach was filled with excessive acid.
Hmmm, well, heres hoping your hopped up on pain medication after the procedure.
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I am not terrified what happens after I die. However, I am terrified at death itself. I cannot "accept" that I will cease to be a conscious being. It's very baffling to me. The idea of nothingness seems bizarre to me. I sort of obsess about my own death; I think about it a lot.
Sorry to hear. I do not obsess or worry about this as I know that being does not cease to exist.
Watch the movie Lucy, you will like it.
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Nope, no biopsy. I was getting bad stomach pains, so they wanted to see what was going on. My stomach was filled with excessive acid.
Hmmm, well, heres hoping your hopped up on pain medication after the procedure.
Well, I've had some for quite a while; in fact, without it, the pain is so unbearable I can't sleep or crawl out of bed in the morning. Not exaggerating, even slightly. Unfortunately, you build a tolerance, so what I'm prescribed never quite makes me comfortable. I just expect to be in some degree of pain every day, all day.
Good times.
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I'm kinda hoping they handle me Joan Rivers-style. Wouldn't be such a bad way to go, right?
Not at all. A buddy of mine recently dropped dead from a massive heart attack right after beginning his career as a minister. He had a wife and two kids and and went through seminary in his 40's. They couldn't revive him
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Well, I've had some for quite a while; in fact, without it, the pain is so unbearable I can't sleep or crawl out of bed in the morning. Not exaggerating, even slightly. Unfortunately, you build a tolerance, so what I'm prescribed never quite makes me comfortable. I just expect to be in some degree of pain every day, all day.
Good times.
I can sympathize, my friend. I hope for a full recovery for you, sir. A blood clot nearly took me out just over two years ago. They asked me what I wanted them to do if I died on the table and I said, leave me dead. I won't know a thing or I will know peace.
It doesn't mean I wasn't scared, but rather i was tired of life. There is more to t his but again, I will not bore people. Life is good. Hopefully there is more after thislife that will be better.
Be well.
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Well, I've had some for quite a while; in fact, without it, the pain is so unbearable I can't sleep or crawl out of bed in the morning. Not exaggerating, even slightly. Unfortunately, you build a tolerance, so what I'm prescribed never quite makes me comfortable. I just expect to be in some degree of pain every day, all day.
Good times.
Is this the first endoscopy?
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Super Kal
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Sorry to hear. I do not obsess or worry about this as I know that being does not cease to exist.
Watch the movie Lucy, you will like it.
That's your opinion. I think it does cease. You're not going to change my mind with your mysticism, so save it, juice monkey.
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Not at all. A buddy of mine recently dropped dead from a massive heart attack right after beginning his career as a minister. He had a wife and two kids and and went through seminary in his 40's. They couldn't revive him
Sorry to hear that, my friend. He had a wife and kids and was embarking on a new adventure. Horrible tragedy, RIP.
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I can sympathize, my friend. I hope for a full recovery for you, sir. A blood clot nearly took me out just over two years ago. They asked me what I wanted them to do if I died on the table and I said, leave me dead. I won't know a thing or I will know peace.
It doesn't mean I wasn't scared, but rather i was tired of life. There is more to t his but again, I will not bore people. Life is good. Hopefully there is more after thislife that will be better.
Be well.
Thank you, Scott. Hope things get a little sunnier for you, pal.
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Is this the first endoscopy?
Yes, the problem started out gradually, where Tums even helped at first. But it got much worse over time, including hospitalization, where the endoscopy was our first order of business. Before we got to it, though, they found I had dangerously low sodium (probably because I hadn't eaten for two days, yet drank several liters of water daily, done it for years). Turns out you can drink too much water. Who knew?
Guess that became their focus instead because they never mentioned the endoscopy again. Did get an ultrasound and CT scan, which showed nothing definitive. Upon release, got an endo referral from my new doc, but months and months went by and nothing. Always said they were backed up but still working on getting me in.
Got so bad in recent months, finally just paid outta pocket for my old doc to set me up. And here we are, procedure tomorrow morning. Hiatal hernia, gastritis, and ulcer have all been suggested. Honestly, don't even care if it's cancer, as long as they finally diagnose something, so they can either treat it or control the pain 'til it kills me. Haven't exactly treated my body very well over the years.
Christ, I've joined the text wall club, haven't I? FML.
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Yes, the problem started out gradually, where Tums even helped at first. But it got much worse over time, including hospitalization, where the endoscopy was our first order of business. Before we got to it, though, they found I had dangerously low sodium (probably because I hadn't eaten for two days, yet drank several liters of water daily, done it for years). Turns out you can drink too much water. Who knew?
Guess that became their focus instead because they never mentioned the endoscopy again. Did get an ultrasound and CT scan, which showed nothing definitive. Upon release, got an endo referral from my new doc, but months and months went by and nothing. Always said they were backed up but still working on getting me in.
Got so bad in recent months, finally just paid outta pocket for my old doc to set me up. And here we are, procedure tomorrow morning. Hiatal hernia, gastritis, and ulcer have all been suggested. Honestly, don't even care if it's cancer, as long as they finally diagnose something, so they can either treat it or control the pain 'til it kills me. Haven't exactly treated my body very well over the years.
Christ, I've joined the text wall club, haven't I? FML.
You are absolutely in my prayers.
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You are absolutely in my prayers.
Thank you, my friend.