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ive been training over 4 decades now and u would think id be over all the dumb shit that comes along with bodybuilding training,sometimes ill walk into the gym and suppose to do back for instance, then ill see some dudes over by the dumbell rack using 110's or even 120's for flat chest presses. the weak and insecure part of me starts thinking about how i can go over there and out rep them and even go up to the 140's or 150's for good clean reps and show them up.then i catch myself and realize that first off,im an old man,secondly ive been in the game along time and should no better than to do some dumb shit like this and risk injury.maybe some of u guys might not do the weights to show up someone but might use your superior body's to blow them away,u know like if u see a dude checking out his arms in the mirror getting alittle attention u walk over there and BAM,hit your arm shot and totally rain on that dudes parade. even tho some of us r very seasoned lifters and stuff do u guys ever find yourselves struggling with beginner mentallity stuff like i just mentioned?
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If I looked better than anybody, I would be tempted, I have to admit. It would be awesome to shrivel some twink in a mirror, hahaha!
Seriously, I work out at home, so this isn't an issue.
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no because i know i would lose
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If I looked better than anybody, I would be tempted, I have to admit. It would be awesome to shrivel some twink in a mirror, hahaha!
Seriously, I work out at home, so this isn't an issue.
it is fun, but with great power comes great responsibility, like Spider-man said.
You should only do it the the hubris filled dickheads peacocking around,. Normal dudes busting their ass are to be respected
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I actually like using less weights and looking better than perma bulkers doing 6 reps. I take pride in looking way better and using light weights to do so
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I work out at home but my chihuahua is thoroughly impressed ;)
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I actually like using less weights and looking better than perma bulkers doing 6 reps. I take pride in looking way better and using light weights to do so
This....nothing better than benching 185 real slow & controlled, acting like it's 400 pounds, and looking lean n mean. Meanwhile the fatso next to you with 365 on the bar is looking at you like "WTF?"
Gracie BJJ, you're a good dude but you should be past all that stuff at your age. Lifting weights is pretty insignificant in the grand scheme, who cares if some juicehead lifts more than you.
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Fuel for the competitive drive/insecurity complex => can only make you stronger (and/or injured) 8)
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::)
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This....nothing better than benching 185 real slow & controlled, acting like it's 400 pounds, and looking lean n mean. Meanwhile the fatso next to you with 365 on the bar is looking at you like "WTF?"
Gracie BJJ, you're a good dude but you should be past all that stuff at your age. Lifting weights is pretty insignificant in the grand scheme, who cares if some juicehead lifts more than you.
trust me man i never do it but i get tempted,reason i dont do it is cause i dont look that good no more so i cant do it.secondly if i try to lift heavy and play strong guy ill get injured,i just think about it sometimes,like if i looked like bob paris in the 80,s it must be a great feeling to be like that great. im trying to get lean these days and i guess im going thru a mid life bodybuilding crisis to be honest, im struggling with the aging issue and im not handling the fact ium gonna b 50 in a few months,very hard on me
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I stopped ego training 25 years ago. The potential for injury is too high.
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trust me man i never do it but i get tempted,reason i dont do it is cause i dont look that good no more so i cant do it.secondly if i try to lift heavy and play strong guy ill get injured,i just think about it sometimes,like if i looked like bob paris in the 80,s it must be a great feeling to be like that great. im trying to get lean these days and i guess im going thru a mid life bodybuilding crisis to be honest, im struggling with the aging issue and im not handling the fact ium gonna b 50 in a few months,very hard on me
I hear ya dude.
It's funny though, we might envy Bob Paris for his physique in the 80s, but I get the impression he'd rather never have gone down that road at all. The grass is always greener :-\
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I hear ya dude.
It's funny though, we might envy Bob Paris for his physique in the 80s, but I get the impression he'd rather never have gone down that road at all. The grass is always greener :-\
bob paris was a great bber......it was something he will be remembered for......I am sure he has moved on to other things.....but I am sure he is proud to have been one of the very best at his craft.....he has turned the page but I am sure he would do it all over again.
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I hear ya dude.
It's funny though, we might envy Bob Paris for his physique in the 80s, but I get the impression he'd rather never have gone down that road at all. The grass is always greener :-\
Im always supportve and encouraging of the people I talk to who are alright.
Friday just gone I had the gym to myself, headphones on, head down and just getting on with it. When some skinny knob who stank of insecurity came in with his mate. 1 inch dips, 1 inch pull ups, lots of posing in between. Then when he moved onto weights every plate he changes he drops, all I can hear over my music is fucking grunting and clattering.
I played with the idea of getting my top off when he starts hitting his poses and throwing a few out or switching to what he was training. I would have got a silly kick out of it then just thought what's the fucking point, it won't stop him being a knob.
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I struggle with this. It does seem the majority of good bodybuilders I have seen in the gyms through the years used moderate weight. I'm not saying they are not training hard but they are exhausting them self through volume sets, good form and little rest between sets.
So many guys pushing the heavy iron are using a cheat ego short range of motion most of the time and then sitting around resting too long between sets. Many of the heavy weight users look like crap too.
One of the most ripped up chests I have ever seen was a guy who did push ups and flat flies with 45lbs. Another guy's back was amazing and he did his deadlifts with 225lbs for around 5 sets of 12 reps. He was a spent mess after those deadlifts with short rests between sets.
If intensity concerning weight used is the magic bullet to gains wouldn't it be most conducive to use sets of one single rep after warm up? Maybe 4 sets of 1 rep? Of course we know that is not the case but that is the most intense form of training you can do. So intensity isn't the magic bullet. It's training for muscular endurance.
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Nope
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nah, not anymore....been there done that. have already consistently outlifted virtually every regular gym rat juiced or not in the process.
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I'm quite competitive on exercise's that I'm good at. Less so in the ones I'm not (which is most of them :D).
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i just think all of us by nature have that competitive side in us that wants to be better than the next guy, like the above people said though its important not to let it get the better of u and hurt u instead of helping u. lets face it all of us want to be known for something,whether it b bodybuilding or making money its all the same.anyone who says they would rather b some average guy instead of a famous person is full of shit,speaking for myself id love to live the life arnold did,he pretty much did it all and seen it all,thats what i call living the dream. deep down we all would love to be the best at what ever we did
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If I looked better than anybody, I would be tempted, I have to admit. It would be awesome to shrivel some twink in a mirror, hahaha!
Seriously, I work out at home, so this isn't an issue.
This is nice because you are the strongest man in your gym.
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ive been training over 4 decades now and u would think id be over all the dumb shit that comes along with bodybuilding training,sometimes ill walk into the gym and suppose to do back for instance, then ill see some dudes over by the dumbell rack using 110's or even 120's for flat chest presses. the weak and insecure part of me starts thinking about how i can go over there and out rep them and even go up to the 140's or 150's for good clean reps and show them up.then i catch myself and realize that first off,im an old man,secondly ive been in the game along time and should no better than to do some dumb shit like this and risk injury.maybe some of u guys might not do the weights to show up someone but might use your superior body's to blow them away,u know like if u see a dude checking out his arms in the mirror getting alittle attention u walk over there and BAM,hit your arm shot and totally rain on that dudes parade. even tho some of us r very seasoned lifters and stuff do u guys ever find yourselves struggling with beginner mentallity stuff like i just mentioned?
No. To be blunt: you need to grow up and stop being insecure. If you had decent self-esteem what some other guy is lifting or not lifting in the gym would not be on your radar screen. I happened to train at a gym, but take a hint from the guys who train at home: focus on yourself. If you are preoccupied with lifting heaving weights go take up power lifting or World’s Strongest Man. Bodybuilding is not about lifting heavy weights. You said it yourself: you are not yet over all the dumb shit. You need to work on that. Hint: such work does not take place inside a gym. ::)
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I don't feel the need to do it, it just happens.
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I stopped ego training 25 years ago. The potential for injury is too high.
I'd like to know when the word "ego" became a bad thing.
The most successful, accomplished people in whatever endeavor they choose have huge egos.
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There can always be a little competition in the gym, i guess.
But ultimately i just go there for me.
Things change when you have an experienced workout partner and you are prepairing for something.
Then it can get very competitive at times and its all about getting the extra rep in and pushing each others limits.
There is a time to get competitive but impressing some people you hardly know is not the one.
Do i care what people think when im using lighter weights then the unknown person next to me?
Not at all, i couldn't care less.
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Only if I can still use proper form, otherwise forget it.
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I'd like to know when the word "ego" became a bad thing.
The most successful, accomplished people in whatever endeavor they choose have huge egos.
Every thought we have is filtered through our egos, it becomes a bad thing when it overpowers rational thoughts and leads us towards poor decisions. Like trying to outlift others just to prove you can do it
I think it only became a "bad thing" because people only seem to bring it up when it becomes problematic. Nobody ever says "What an ego on that guy!" to admire someone who is humble & secure in his-self.
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Every thought we have is filtered through our egos, it becomes a bad thing when it overpowers rational thoughts and leads us towards poor decisions.
Like trying to outlift others just to prove you can do it
yes and no.
Take Arnold S for instance, to keep it BBing related.
Dude went AWOL from the German Army to compete in a BBing comp he felt he needed to win. dumbass thing to do, but that's what the great ones do. They are driven and nobody can tell them shit.
Granted, everyone isn't Arnold S and would be better served thinking more rationally like you say.
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Ego leads to guys doing an exercise in the easiest way possible. You should lift with the mantra you want to do the exercise in a way that works the muscles the hardest.
If it means taking off plates in the leg press and really bending your legs so be it. If it means doing presses by coming down that last 6" or more do it. Do your single dumbbell rows with a full extension and clean pull. Do chins with a dead hang and pull up till your elbows are completely down.
Make the exercise more about working the muscle than being a little boy saying look at me.
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This is nice because you are the strongest man in your gym.
The wife is closing in fast :-\
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I never had that need. Nothing is more boring than other people lifts or life for that matter.
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yes and no.
Take Arnold S for instance, to keep it BBing related.
Dude went AWOL from the German Army to compete in a BBing comp he felt he needed to win. dumbass thing to do, but that's what the great ones do. They are driven and nobody can tell them shit.
Granted, everyone isn't Arnold S and would be better served thinking more rationally like you say.
It was Austria not Germany.
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It was Austria not Germany.
Yup.
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Training isn't competition.
If you want to show other guys you're stronger than them, then do a powerlifting meet
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I never had that need. Nothing is more boring than other people lifts or life for that matter.
So fucking true. Amazes me how often people talk about themselves. Im too self conscious and aware to blab about myself. 18-40 year olds in this day and age are programmed to be mildy sociopathic, not caring or thinking who isnt entertained by them. They just go on and on
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This....nothing better than benching 185 real slow & controlled, acting like it's 400 pounds, and looking lean n mean. Meanwhile the fatso next to you with 365 on the bar is looking at you like "WTF?"
Gracie BJJ, you're a good dude but you should be past all that stuff at your age. Lifting weights is pretty insignificant in the grand scheme, who cares if some juicehead lifts more than you.
Oh brother nothing gayer than describing yourself as "lean and mean" while lifting weight that a high school freshman can rep out. I can only imagine your chest routine, probably goes a little something like this:
Having shaky tricep syndrome on bench and getting 185 for 2.5 reps
Running to the urinals and bathroom stalls begging male members to drink some of their man milk because you claim that you read a men's health article where Ryan gosling said protein absorbs faster through direct oral ingestion of semen.
Then when you get kicked out of the restroom area for making Elton John like requests you go up to two large brothers and tell them that you also read in men's health that doing dips using two erect penises as bars leads to proper lower chest development. They respond by promptly kicking your ass.
You finish up the day searching Instagram for pj Braun ass photos and tell other twinks on bodybuilding.com that you are a throwback iron warrior as you throw your preshrunk extra medium shirt in the laundry hamper.
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ive been training over 4 decades now and u would think id be over all the dumb shit that comes along with bodybuilding training,sometimes ill walk into the gym and suppose to do back for instance, then ill see some dudes over by the dumbell rack using 110's or even 120's for flat chest presses. the weak and insecure part of me starts thinking about how i can go over there and out rep them and even go up to the 140's or 150's for good clean reps and show them up.then i catch myself and realize that first off,im an old man,secondly ive been in the game along time and should no better than to do some dumb shit like this and risk injury.maybe some of u guys might not do the weights to show up someone but might use your superior body's to blow them away,u know like if u see a dude checking out his arms in the mirror getting alittle attention u walk over there and BAM,hit your arm shot and totally rain on that dudes parade. even tho some of us r very seasoned lifters and stuff do u guys ever find yourselves struggling with beginner mentallity stuff like i just mentioned?
I used to do a little of that many years ago when I competed.
Now I sit back and enjoy seeing some beast bench or squat heavy with a barbell.
Now, at 56, I kick back and do mostly Hammer type machines with no shame.
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nah that would be idiotic ,when i go to the gym i have a pretty good idea of the weights i'm gonna be lifting on that given day. so if i was planning on flat benching sets with 110 dumbells i'm not gonna suddenly pick up the 130s because i saw someone else pick up the 120s. it is a nice feeling if you happen to be lifting bigger weights than others, but i'm not gonna fk up what i planned to do because there happens to be people stronger than me in the gym at that time.
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Only immature retards try to out do other people in the gym.
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Interesting you mention this. I've changed my lifting style from stupid heavy with mediocre form to moderate weight with great form. I've grown tremendously as a result (sitting at lean 241lb 6'2") and I've taken the entire summer off. Anyway, dumb asses see the moderate weight and a times chuckle. I always make it a point to hit a pose a few min later which seems to humble them quickly. Few realize the benefits of slow movement with perfect form. Throwing weight around doesn't add size
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No, I train at home now. I don't need to do that, I just need to out do ME... Still anxiety provoking.
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id have to say the leg press is the most ego driven lift,behind the bench press ofcoarse where guys will cheat just to look stronger than everyone else.the ole 6inch leg press guys who put on 1500lbs and come down 6inches ::)
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The entire human race is only in existence because of outdoing its competition. Everything about us is keyed to rising above those around us. If you throw that out, you'll never develop at the same rate.
It might seem "uncivilised" to be riled at some twink coming in and destroying your strength or some guy lifting 15kg db curls with 19 inch arms (whatever incites you), but it is that streak of competitiveness that keeps you in check and ensures you stay strong and motivated.
I absolutely abhor competition in most of the realms of life and I can assure you, there is no question I'd have done a whole lot better had I not hated so much.
Naturally, that isn't a blanket thing, if you're rich, with a lovely girl and you already attained that body, enjoy life - for the rest of us, though, we need to grind and whatever keeps us turning up to the things we wish to strive in, works.
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That "need" should have subsided when you're broke into adulthood
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No. I don't care what other people are doing, I focus on my own training.
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I try to stay in the zone, but sometimes have have that ::) or ??? look, only for a few seconds.
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The entire human race is only in existence because of outdoing its competition. Everything about us is keyed to rising above those around us. If you throw that out, you'll never develop at the same rate.
It might seem "uncivilised" to be riled at some twink coming in and destroying your strength or some guy lifting 15kg db curls with 19 inch arms (whatever incites you), but it is that streak of competitiveness that keeps you in check and ensures you stay strong and motivated.
I absolutely abhor competition in most of the realms of life and I can assure you, there is no question I'd have done a whole lot better had I not hated so much.
Naturally, that isn't a blanket thing, if you're rich, with a lovely girl and you already attained that body, enjoy life - for the rest of us, though, we need to grind and whatever keeps us turning up to the things we wish to strive in, works.
great post man, i agree about humans having a competetive nature,
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This guy is trying to outdo everyone:
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Everyone competes in the gym...It brings out the best. I used to approach every gym session like I was going into battle. I wasn't a prick about it but I wanted to out lift everyone else.
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Not one bit.
Most guys who are way less advanced than me use more weights. I like 3-0-3 tempo's for given body parts, slow negatives so pushing heavy weight for the sake of it means nothing to me now.
I have no clue how some of the guys who press 100lbs+dumbells do so matter of fact as most look like total gym newbies.
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id have to say the leg press is the most ego driven lift,behind the bench press ofcoarse where guys will cheat just to look stronger than everyone else.the ole 6inch leg press guys who put on 1500lbs and come down 6inches ::)
This, yesterday all the local high schoolers came into the gym doing exactly this. It accomplishes nothing. What's really amusing the bench press spotter deadlifting the weight off the other guy saying "it's all you man!"
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This guy is trying to outdo everyone:
I wasn't as retarded as that but five years ago I would be the 'hardcore' lifter throwing around the biggest weights ::)
nowadays I'll raise an eyebrow at the douchnozzle next to me trying to 1/3 rep bench the 120's for a few shitty reps.. then do the 100's for 15 paused, super slow reps. Form > weight
I get my ego boost from using almost the same weights as them but doing them with ridiculously good form and not making so much as a grunt or Rich Piana face while doing it
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I train at 4.30am to avoid all the juiced up roid wankers, i cringe each time i see them and just hope many years ago when i was a young meathead that I didn't come across like they do now, in my own defence i know I was different I never posed around carried my bag of supps.yelling and talking to myself I just trained and by 26 I had worked out this wasn't worth being anything more than a hobby even if I was winning titles, too much drug assistance required and no financial benefit,my energy and drive was best directed elsewhere, I dont even look at the juicehead bodybuilders in the gym, i give them and their drug filled bodies no acknowledgment whats so ever, i cant compare to them, we have different priorities in life, mine to benefit myself and family, theirs to impress like minded people to them, were on different planets.
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I train at 4.30am to avoid all the juiced up roid wankers, i cringe each time i see them and just hope many years ago when i was a young meathead that I didn't come across like they do now, in my own defence i know I was different I never posed around carried my bag of supps.yelling and talking to myself I just trained and by 26 I had worked out this wasn't worth being anything more than a hobby even if I was winning titles, too much drug assistance required and no financial benefit,my energy and drive was best directed elsewhere, I dont even look at the juicehead bodybuilders in the gym, i give them and their drug filled bodies no acknowledgment whats so ever, i cant compare to them, we have different priorities in life, mine to benefit myself and family, theirs to impress like minded people to them, were on different planets.
i agree,thats why i said in my original post i still think about doing it sometimes but realize i just dont want to risk injury and not only that mess up my workout. we cant help what comes into our minds but we can control what we do with the thought,we can entertain it or shrug it off,i chose to shrug it off.
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I'll hide peoples shoes and training gloves while i'm getting changed, just so I get the edge over them in the Arena.
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I used to be like that to some degree in my earlt 20s but now i dont give a ahit about strenght..i train more or less like a pussy compared to how i used to but i only train for musclemass now
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I'll hide peoples shoes and training gloves while i'm getting changed, just so I get the edge over them in the Arena.
I hang around the biggest guy and then when they ask me for a spot I "sure, no problem" then when the weight gets to much and they need help I pretend someone is calling me and "accidently" forget to help them so the bar comes down and crushes them :)
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I hang around the biggest guy and then when they ask me for a spot I "sure, no problem" then when the weight gets to much and they need help I pretend someone is calling me and "accidently" forget to help them so the bar comes down and crushes them :)
I'll stay until really late when no one's around and then hide all the 1.25kg plates. They always find them within a few days, but that's enough time for me to get my edge on the bench, while everyone else is struggling to jump that 2.5kg gap to the next level
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I'll stay until really late when no one's around and then hide all the 1.25kg plates. They always find them within a few days, but that's enough time for me to get my edge on the bench, while everyone else is struggling to jump that 2.5kg gap to the next level
:D :D
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I hang around the biggest guy and then when they ask me for a spot I "sure, no problem" then when the weight gets to much and they need help I pretend someone is calling me and "accidently" forget to help them so the bar comes down and crushes them :)
If some dude asks me for a spot (I will spot someone once or twice a year.) And that guy has way too much, I will purposely not spot him, let him struggle.
Why?
I'M not doing bent over rows to feed your ego on the bench.
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I usually train on my lunch break (I get an hour for lunch and the gym is right below my office) so its usually empty or near-empty when I train. I like that since it means less talking to people who can't STFU and lift. Even the odd person who tries to spark a conversation, I just end up ignoring them and have my headphones in at all times, even if no music is playing.
Anyway, to answer the question, no I never try to "outlift" anyone, I did when I was a fatty, but ever since I got lean and strength went down a bit I'm not about to risk injury to look more alpha at the gym ::) . I train with good form, intensity, and as long as I feel the muscle working and going to failure I feel like that's a way better workout than hitting 1 rep maxes just to impress a bunch of nobodies.
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nah, not anymore....been there done that. have already consistently outlifted virtually every regular gym rat juiced or not in the process.
bragging is not very christian.