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I have agreed to put a diet and eventually a training plan for a neighbour of mine who is very obese.
This is something i've done a ton of times for people of different sizes, but I wanted a bit of advice for this guy as he's pretty large.
58 years old, 5'11", 350 pounds - very out of shape and has to stop and catch breath even after walking 100m.
I've got his calorie intake and how we are going to approach exercise all sorted however, I just wanted a few tips in terms of the choices of foods to start him on.
'Eating what he wants, as long as he's not going over X calories per day' isn't going to work for this guy - he has a lot of eating behaviours and triggers that would fuck that up very quickly.
On the other hand, I can't start the guy too 'clean' as I think he would struggle with a drastic change - he eats very rich foods at present and loves cooking/spending money on nice ingredients.
Any help appreciated bros
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When you say neighbour, are you so fat that youre still actually referring to yourself?
Haha yes latiuss, did you know BigCyp actually waited until his wedding night to have sex with his wife?Maybe the sexual frustration led him to gourge on food and blowup to an incredibly obese man.
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When you say neighbour, are you so fat that youre still actually referring to yourself?
Erm no. Next.
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What diet do you have for the person and training plan or have you started this so everyone else does it for you then you copy and paste it to him ?
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Haha yes latiuss, did you know BigCyp actually waited until his wedding night to have sex with his wife?Maybe the sexual frustration led him to gourge on food and blowup to an incredibly obese man.
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What diet do you have for the person and training plan or have you started this so everyone else does it for you then you copy and paste it to him ?
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I am very knowledgable on the subject of dieting - but humble enough to understand the value of others input.
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I'm no expert but personally I would start with 500 less calories per day, clean up rest of diet a bit but allow the tub a bit of small leeway and build up to an hour a day of walking then go from there.
Put great big obese fuckers on an overly strict diet and they will explode and eat everything in sight, at that size small changes will still make a drastic difference
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Well why not go "im suggesting this this n that, what do you lot think?"
Because 95% of people on this board am aware that I know how to construct a diet you stupid little cretin.
I am simply asking for a few off the bat tips on how the more knowledgeable posters here would approach this situation.
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The mediterranean diet may be best for someone who wants good fresh ingredients.
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I'm no expert but personally I would start with 500 less calories per day, clean up rest of diet a bit but allow the tub a bit of small leeway and build up to an hour a day of walking then go from there.
Put great big obese fuckers on an overly strict diet and they will explode and eat everything in sight, at that size small changes will still make a drastic difference
That's more or less my starting point (deficit-wise) as this is going to be a 6 month to a year thing, if he sticks to it. This is not a '12 week transformation' etc as he just has to much fat to shift.
I've gotten a 3 day food diary from him, and worked my figures from there and the usual BMR calculations etc. There are some quick fixes I can make (i.e. he was consuming over a quarter of his daily kcals in sugar based drinks - fruit juice/schloer/soda) but i'm looking for advice on how clean to start off with the guy.
I can construct a diet for a 'bodybuilder' down to the last almond lol, but this is new territory for me as I really feel for the guy and know how depressed he'll be if we start this and he fucks it up.
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Because 95% of people on this board am aware that I know how to construct a diet you stupid little cretin.
I am simply asking for a few off the bat tips on how the more knowledgeable posters here would approach this situation.
You need to lower the dose mate, take a chill pill ;D you know im right and it hurt you, i understand that but you dont have to let your anger and jealousy get the better of you. Im astounded you of all people have responded this way.
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The mediterranean diet may be best for someone who wants good fresh ingredients.
I am leaning that way, in terms of including a lot of fish in the meals and keeping the flavours lively (as he loves his food/eats out a lot also).
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You need to lower the dose mate, take a chill pill ;D you know im right and it hurt you, i understand that but you dont have to let your anger and jealousy get the better of you. Im astounded you of all people have responded this way.
Hahahaha ;D
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A few things he mentioned to me when I asked about preferences/foods to avoid etc.
1. He hates cottage cheese & avacados - shame as very good foods in this type of diet.
2. He doesn't like bland foods (it shows hahaha)
3. His downfall is heavy carb-based foods, pasta dishes, lots of breads, hot puddings, and high calorie sauces with meals.
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More calorie sparse foods, less of the butterfat and starchy stuff, walking only. At that level of unfitness it's really just eat better and move around more imo. Honestly, if he can't walk 100m he should 'consult a physician before engaging in an exercise regimen,' as the legalese always reads. He might need to monitor his heart rate or he'll keel over. (Dibs on his workshop tools.)
So ya. It's no mystery how he got to 350 lbs. He doesn't need a tailored diet and exercise plan and he knows it. He should walk around outdoors and stop stuffing his face with high calorie foods. To stand there and act like he doesn't know how eat healthier and get some exercise! The balls on this fat bastard!
But good on ya for helping him out anyway. Maybe he'll really carry through. And if he doesn't you can just get him a POWERLIFTER t-shirt.
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What Tapeworm said.
IMO, eliminating or are least dramatically reducing starchy carbs: rice, pasta, potatoes, and especially bread, will give you the most weight loss bang for your buck.
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Prostheses are much lighter than a biological leg.
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If that doesn't work out there's always gastric bypass surgery. Has a good sucess rate among morbidy obese..Not without risks but the long-term mortality rate of gastric bypass patients has been shown to be reduced by up to 40%.
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Diet? The guy needs therapy. That's a mental illness, not a spill over.
Just tell him to stop stuffing his fat fucking face all day long.
He doesn't need to go from eating constantly to starvation - he'll lose a ton of weight eating what for most would be a generous diet but what for him would be very little.
He is almost certainly lying to you about what he eats.
You need to focus on the frequency of his eating and what triggers it.
Like I say - this is therapy territory. The diet will fail. The man has an addiction.
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Tell him don't eat past 6 p.m....
I'm sure that will be unbearable. .
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Thanks for the input lads.
I'm definitely giving him a 'bread ban' as just that plus the sugary drinks was amounting to over 1000kcals daily.
I'm considering just giving him the calorie deficit to start with, and banning the above. See how that works for the first 2-3 weeks. If he shows he's serious and gets through the first month, then i'll slowly clean up the diet.
His food diary I believe was honest, as he was writing stuff like 10:15pm - 2 glasses of Pinot Grigio and 8 chocolate hobnobs lol, if he was shitting me he would have said 'couple of bisuits and a glass of wine'
Lol another gem was the next day (after 3500 plus kcals of shite) '9pm - whole bag of maynards wine gums' hahaha ;D
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In after Pedro.
In all seriousness, I believe that morbidly obese people need psych help. Idk if eating is their sole source of enjoyment in a sad life or what but something drives them to do this damage to themselves and they need to address it or no diet will ever stick. Maybe he just wants some moral support, someone to praise him for losing a few pounds, something to make him feel good other than eating, etc.
Fuck it's making me depressed thinking about these people. I better go rip out a few chinups.
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I have agreed to put a diet and eventually a training plan for a neighbour of mine who is very obese.
This is something i've done a ton of times for people of different sizes, but I wanted a bit of advice for this guy as he's pretty large.
58 years old, 5'11", 350 pounds - very out of shape and has to stop and catch breath even after walking 100m.
I've got his calorie intake and how we are going to approach exercise all sorted however, I just wanted a few tips in terms of the choices of foods to start him on.
'Eating what he wants, as long as he's not going over X calories per day' isn't going to work for this guy - he has a lot of eating behaviours and triggers that would fuck that up very quickly.
On the other hand, I can't start the guy too 'clean' as I think he would struggle with a drastic change - he eats very rich foods at present and loves cooking/spending money on nice ingredients.
Any help appreciated bros
bro you might want to start him on a liquid diet for awhile and then maybe go vegan for awhile. I know Mike Tyson was almost 400 lbs at his worst and he went on a liquid diet for awhile and then started eating vegan and he lost about 100 lbs.
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Only a moron lets there health go to shit
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"Do what elite generational athletes do in particular Mike Tyson" is generally not a path to good health.
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"Do what elite generational athletes do in particular Mike Tyson" is generally not a path to good health.
Plus a liquid diet for someone who loves to eat isn't going to work.
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The other possibility, of course, is that you're being schmoed. Has this individual fondled or attempted to fondle? Poke, squeeze, caress, rub, or cup any portion of your person?
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Cyp you should see what you're able to get him to do.
"I need you to rub 3 oz of catshit on your belly EOD."
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bro you might want to start him on a liquid diet for awhile and then maybe go vegan for awhile. I know Mike Tyson was almost 400 lbs at his worst and he went on a liquid diet for awhile and then started eating vegan and he lost about 100 lbs.
Would be a terrible idea for this guy I think, as he loves the process of actually eating/cooking/preparing etc - If I say to him, you're getting 6 shakes a day and nothing else, i'll have 350 pounds of corpse
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Cyp you should see what you're able to get him to do.
"I need you to rub 3 oz of catshit on your belly EOD."
Hahaha don't tempt me ;D He is at his wits end - hence why I got involved
Maybe I could get away with getting him to eat his meals backwards, like breakfast before bed etc to 'confuse the metabolism'
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Would be a terrible idea for this guy I think, as he loves the process of actually eating/cooking/preparing etc - If I say to him, you're getting 6 shakes a day and nothing else, i'll have 350 pounds of corpse
just put him on a regular macro diet at first. if he goes 45/45/10 say 4-6 times a day he should lose weight just cleaning up his diet or you could make him try a keto diet maybe let him have a few days where he cycles some carbs are just put him total ketosis. either plan counting macros correctly or going on a keto diet he should lose some weight just cleaning up his diet,make him get some bloodwork maybe he needs a thyroid medication.
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Hahaha don't tempt me ;D He is at his wits end - hence why I got involved
Maybe I could get away with getting him to eat his meals backwards, like breakfast before bed etc to 'confuse the metabolism'
Yes it's important to keep the body guessing.
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Yes it's important to keep the body guessing.
Almost as important as hitting the fibres from different angles bro.
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if he likes rich foods, clean up the fat sources. coconut oil, cold water fish, etc. too bad about the avocado.
in addition to his weight, the killers are vegetable oils, high fructose sugars, processed meats, etc. you're actually quite lucky that he's able/willing and understands the value of quality ingredients. while cutting his calories is important, getting all the garbage out is also important for long term lifestyle change.
this way it's not just a 'diet'.
Good stuff.
Yep, the original 'preface' to the diet I wrote for him is more about looking at eating differently, as he needs a complete revolution in the way he sees things.
If he can stick it out the first few weeks, then it is an indication I can push him to what he needs.
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Two words for a cat like Cyps neighbor......PORTION CONTROL
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Two words for a cat like Cyps neighbor......PORTION CONTROL
Yepiddydoodah.
Trying to get his stomach used to receiving 500-600kcals of food per time, rather than 1000-1200 is going to be a big wake up call for him.
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Yepiddydoodah.
Trying to get his stomach used to receiving 500-600kcals of food per time, rather than 1000-1200 is going to be a big wake up call for him.
For sure,but there is some consolation........the first 50 pounds or so comes off comparatively fast as long as he can stay focused.............stay ing focused due to bad habits is the problem.
Happy Holidays Cyp! ;)
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For sure,but there is some consolation........the first 50 pounds or so comes off comparatively fast as long as he can stay focused.............stay ing focused due to bad habits is the problem.
Happy Holidays Cyp! ;)
You too buddy!
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Mild calorie restriction, slowly pulling out the worst foods. Buy him a food scale, and be firm with him about eating only measured amounts of food, and cataloging everything. The biggest thing with huge folks is that they don't have an accurate measure of food amounts, they think their little snack is #300 calories, meanwhile it's 3 times that.
Get him started on some low impact stuff, and hope for the best, it's a long road.
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It also helps IME to actually make a few shopping runs with him. I sure you found that almost everything in his kitchen fell into the category of "loser" I believe every food can instantly be classified as a "winner" or a "loser".
If you can slowly fill his cupboards, pantry and refrigerator with "winners" he will be able to make the transition from eating like a fat person to eating like an athlete.
I've mentioned before I worked as a 1 & 2nd AD on season 3/4/5 of "The Biggest Loser" and the campus kitchen was always only filled with winners.
Add in daily cardio and then weights and things begin to change quite fast.
Good luck.
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Cutting the carbs out of the diet, cuts the body fat. Works every time. No sugars, and no starches. You can't exercise away a lousy diet!
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if you diet him down too fast at his age loose skin will be a big issue....3 year 150 lbs plan
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if you diet him down too fast at his age loose skin will be a big issue....3 year 150 lbs plan
I agree with the one pound per week approach. It's obtainable and gives the person reasonable goals.
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Does he have a spouse? If so hopefully she is on board or she can influence a failure. Also I would find out if an appetite suppressant like ephedra or hoodie works for him and then maybe incorporate the mental reset of how meals should be structured. For example when I helped my mother slim down, I told advised to adopt the "King, Prince, Pauper" method and no carbs after Prince (lunch). Unlimited veggies anytime of day and 3 pieces of fruit. Minimum 1hr of fast walking 6days a week.
She is 54yrs old and lost 28.5lbs in 3 months and still losing. Good on him trying to take his life back. At his age and at that weight he is a ticking timebomb.
...just my $0.02 man good luck!
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Cyp,
You are a wise and noble man, but you can't "save the world."
Don't take it personal if you can't help this man. Not everyone can "do it" no matter how much they want it.
I wish you both luck and success!!
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Tell him to call his friend that he hasn't seen in a while
WILL POWER ;D
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Refer him to Sev immediately.
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Refer him to Sev immediately.
x2 The Transformer
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Put him on the sweet spot of 2 grams tren 3 grams test right off the bat :-X
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It also helps IME to actually make a few shopping runs with him. I sure you found that almost everything in his kitchen fell into the category of "loser" I believe every food can instantly be classified as a "winner" or a "loser".
If you can slowly fill his cupboards, pantry and refrigerator with "winners" he will be able to make the transition from eating like a fat person to eating like an athlete.
I've mentioned before I worked as a 1 & 2nd AD on season 3/4/5 of "The Biggest Loser" and the campus kitchen was always only filled with winners.
Add in daily cardio and then weights and things begin to change quite fast.
Good luck.
Great stuff Tommy thanks for posting.
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My gimmick "Big Chiro Flex's" gimmick, Hulkotron, is displaying cunning wit in this thread.
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My gimmick "Big Chiro Flex's" gimmick, Hulkotron, is displaying cunning wit in this thread.
Yes, he is no stranger to the usage of implied undertone for comedic effect.
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You probably know more about dieting than me but 2 tricks I use are
1 cut out all soda or diet soda and drink seltzer water - you still get the fizz
Without all the sugar or diet soda cancer.
2 eat a huge fucking salad with oil/vinegar then eat a smaller portion of bullshit/
Cheeseburger fries, pasta or whatever. Get almost full of vegetables then eat a way
Smaller portion of something tasty and you are satiated and don't feel the need to
Cheat or fall off your diet.