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I gotta problem. I'm in high school and my parents won't let me use protein powder so after a workout im not really sure what to eat.
What food puts protein into your system the fastest besides a protein shake? I have lots of good food at my house such as chicken brest, eggs,tuna,peanut butter and turkey etc. but what one is best for post workout?
Thnx for any advice.
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eggs whites and white rice
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egg whites...? really...? Somebody told me that eggs were really slow to digest.
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eggs are probably the best source of protein period.
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Well i know their are many good things about egg whites. They're nothing but protein and all the protein that come from eggs is absorbed into the bloodstream not just a percentage of it like in some other foods but my question is...
Are egg whites the next best thing to a whey protein shake for after a workout?
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I gotta problem. I'm in high school and my parents won't let me use protein powder
Why ???
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You ask why Princess.
Half of it is ignorance and the other half is a mix of prejudicness and biasedness.
So are egg whites the next best thing to a whey protein shake post workout?
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what the hell is wrong with whey? its a lot better for you than soda or even fruit juice
try chicken breasts (no skins) and rice
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do they even know what protein powder is? ???
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If you're looking for quick absorption...I'd have to go with dairy, especially yogurt. With the active cultures that aid in digestion you should go through it quickly. Maybe: 1 cup non fat yogurt with sliced fruit.
You can also do this with condensed milk (make your own shake) or cottage cheese.
Good luck buddy ;D
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Thanks Brutal_1.
That the kinda answer that I needed. I think Im gonna try cottage cheese.
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I gotta problem. I'm in high school and my parents won't let me use protein powder so after a workout im not really sure what to eat.
What food puts protein into your system the fastest besides a protein shake? I have lots of good food at my house such as chicken brest, eggs,tuna,peanut butter and turkey etc. but what one is best for post workout?
Thnx for any advice.
Go to Sams - 1 bag of un-cooked chicken - $14.00
George foreman Grill - $15.00 (purchase at sam also)
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GUYS! Did you even READ the question?
I'm in high school and my parents won't let me use protein powder so after a workout im not really sure what to eat.
What food puts protein into your system the fastest besides a protein shake?
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You ask why Princess.
Half of it is ignorance and the other half is a mix of prejudicness and biasedness.
So are egg whites the next best thing to a whey protein shake post workout?
Thanks Brutal_1.
That the kinda answer that I needed. I think Im gonna try cottage cheese.
Cottage cheese is a great protein source, however, you are looking for a "quick" protein post workout, so cottage cheese would not be a good choice in that time slot. Egg whites or just about anything else would be a better choice.
Your parents seem to be quite misinformed or something when it comes to protein powder. You need to educate them. ;) Sincerely, if you need help with that, PM me.
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The only reason why I didn't suggest egg whites is that they can cause bloating and gas...which will ultimately slow digestion and end up starving the muscle.
Plus, if your parents aren't going to buy you Whey protein, they probably won't shell out for a tub of egg whites. Which means after your workout, you'll find yourself playing Betty Crocker in the kitchen cracking eggs and sifting out the yolk for twenty minutes before you can eat them.
I still say yogurt :P
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I agree, go with the egg whites, also down some Gatorade with it for the fast carbs post-training.
Last off, work on helping your parents get a grip on whey protein. Don't bitch and complain but provide them with some solid evidence that protein powder is a useful healthy thing to take.
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The only reason why I didn't suggest egg whites is that they can cause bloating and gas...
You mean farts? :o
Which means after your workout, you'll find yourself playing Betty Crocker in the kitchen cracking eggs and sifting out the yolk for twenty minutes before you can eat them.
There is no way Betty would've taken 20 mins. Wanna lesson in egg separting? :P
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Start here with your parents
http://www.wheyoflife.org/index.cfm
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Hey Op, I can see where your parents are coming from.
I mean think about it. First it's innocient Whey, then before you know it you're injecting anabolic steroids! ::)
You need to slap some sense into your parents. That's just ridiculous. What's their argument against it?
Whey is nothing but good. Tell them that they ( or you, depending on who buys the grocerys) could be spending their money on worse things; pop, candy, etc.
If you're going to attempt to convince them that Whey is a good thing, and not the devil, then compar yourself to other kids your age. You're probably way more healthy, and are learning about nutrition.
Hell here's an idea. Have your health teacher write you a note saying how good Whey is. HA! That'd be a first.
Well dude, Good Luck with the parent situation. Hopefully you are able to show them the light.
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Mix Milk, eggs (if you are worried about Salmonella poison, microwave the eggs for 30 secs and then blend), PB and perhaps some sugar free Hershey Quick or Syrup and blend it up.
Good mix of proteins
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You ask why Princess.
Half of it is ignorance and the other half is a mix of prejudicness and biasedness.
So are egg whites the next best thing to a whey protein shake post workout?
Don't take my name in vein. you evil doer
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I gotta problem. I'm in high school and my parents won't let me use protein powder so after a workout im not really sure what to eat.
What food puts protein into your system the fastest besides a protein shake? I have lots of good food at my house such as chicken brest, eggs,tuna,peanut butter and turkey etc. but what one is best for post workout?
Thnx for any advice.
Buy liquid egg whites at the grocery store. They are pasteurized so you don't have to cook them. Mix about a quarter of the container with skim milk and gatorade in a blender.
No, it won't be as fast absorbing as Whey, but it will be the next best thing. Here is a list of protein sources, from the best to the worse, based on how well your body absorbs and uses the protein, and based on amino acid profile.
Whey
Egg
Milk (Whey + Casein)
Meat (Beef, Chicken, fish)
Soy
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Iv run outa whey for now and am gonna make up home made shake to have through the day including after training:
Containing few couple eggs, milk,milk powder and maybe some cottage cheese and greek yogurt+flavour (bannana or hot chocolate powder etc etc)
davie
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well first of all over the years of researching great protein sources i have come across studies that say you can wait up to an hour post workout for your protein.but to answer the question chicken or fish would be great. a can of tuna has more protein than one scoop of whey.its cheap and easy to make just open the can and empty the water. also a full glass of milk is about 18 g protein.basically as lomng as you get the potein in your body with in that hour you should just be looking for quality of protein.eggs were also another good choice.for someone bulking you can eat the entire egg
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Ya I'm trying to bring my parents up to speed on the whey thing but in the mean time eggs will do. We have lots of eggs at my house and I hard boil them by the dozen so that will work.
I think my parents will listen to me when they realize that the money for whey will make me more healthy, fit, and well nourished while most of my friends aske their parents for money to spend at taco bell and popcorn for the movies.
Thnx for all your guys help.
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It would help if I new how old you are but since you cant merely go get your own protein I'm going to venture that you're 16 or younger. I understand (even though I personally cant stand whey) your desire for whey protein, and I understand your parents perspective as well. As a parent myself I have to say that I probably wouldnt support my childrens desire for whey, when they are old enough for that lifestyle. I mean there is nothing wrong with a plain food diet, its not a necessity for a kid around that age to use whey for muscle growth. At that point in a kids life he/she needs the fat and the carbs as well as the protein, not just for muscle growth, but to help their body mature wholly. I'm not saying not to diet appropriately, or that whey would somehow negatively effect a kid. Just that I would counsel my kids to eat whole food until they are competing or feel they need an edge to break through a plateau. The exception that comes to mind though would be training for wrestling given the nessecary effort to stay in ones ideal weight range. Just my $.02, good luck either whey......way.
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I understand your parents perspective as well. As a parent myself I have to say that I probably wouldnt support my childrens desire for whey, when they are old enough for that lifestyle. I mean there is nothing wrong with a plain food diet, its not a necessity for a kid around that age to use whey for muscle growth. At that point in a kids life he/she needs the fat and the carbs as well as the protein, not just for muscle growth, but to help their body mature wholly. I'm not saying not to diet appropriately, or that whey would somehow negatively effect a kid. Just that I would counsel my kids to eat whole food until they are competing or feel they need an edge to break through a plateau.
Just what do you think whey is?
Whey is a high quality protein powder from cow's milk. Milk has two proteins: Casein (approx 80%) and Whey Protein (approx 20%). Whey protein is more soluble than casein and also has a higher quality rating. It is often referred to as the "Gold Standard" of protein since it is the most nutritious protein available.
It's a co-product of the cheese making process. The casein, or "curd", and a portion of the milk-fat are separated out to make cheese. The remaining liquid whey goes through a series of specialty filters to separate the whey protein from the lactose and other ingredients in the liquid whey.
Whey protein isolate is the most pure and concentrated form of whey protein available. It contains 90% or more protein and very little (if any) fat and lactose. Whey protein concentrate has anywhere between 29% and 89% protein depending upon the product.
Whey contains many of the same components found in human breast milk and for this reason, is a key ingredient in a wide variety of infant formulas, including those for premature infants. Certain types of whey protein based infant formulas have also been shown to help reduce crying in colicky infants. While breast-feeding is preferred, infant formulas containing whey protein are the next best thing when breast-feeding is not an option.
Can you explain why you would not encourage your child to include something so inexpensive and nutritious in their diet?
Remember the story of Little Miss Muffet?
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Didn't she get eaten by a spider or something?
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Didn't she get eaten by a spider or something?
Geez ::)
Don'tcha guys know anything?
Little Miss Muffet sat on a tuffet,
Eating her curds and whey,
Along came a spider who sat down beside her,
And frightened Miss Muffet away!
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Just what do you think whey is?
Whey is a high quality protein powder from cow's milk. Milk has two proteins: Casein (approx 80%) and Whey Protein (approx 20%). Whey protein is more soluble than casein and also has a higher quality rating. It is often referred to as the "Gold Standard" of protein since it is the most nutritious protein available.
It's a co-product of the cheese making process. The casein, or "curd", and a portion of the milk-fat are separated out to make cheese. The remaining liquid whey goes through a series of specialty filters to separate the whey protein from the lactose and other ingredients in the liquid whey.
Whey protein isolate is the most pure and concentrated form of whey protein available. It contains 90% or more protein and very little (if any) fat and lactose. Whey protein concentrate has anywhere between 29% and 89% protein depending upon the product.
Whey contains many of the same components found in human breast milk and for this reason, is a key ingredient in a wide variety of infant formulas, including those for premature infants. Certain types of whey protein based infant formulas have also been shown to help reduce crying in colicky infants. While breast-feeding is preferred, infant formulas containing whey protein are the next best thing when breast-feeding is not an option.
Can you explain why you would not encourage your child to include something so inexpensive and nutritious in their diet?
Remember the story of Little Miss Muffet?
Like I said in my paragraph, I dont think anything bad of whey, and I understand that whey is a milk derivative, a perfect source of protein if you will. I also understand that as a parent I couldn't see myself buying a tub (yes I know prices do vary and there are ways to save) of whey protein just for my young teen. If he could go out and get it himself with his own money and transportation I surely wouldn't stop him, however only to be used directly before and after a workout not as any type of meal replacement. And nursing babies have quite different needs than a teen, including that they have no other source of liquid than breastmilk or nasty formula. They need a liquid form of nourishment because they cant eat whole foods as a teen can, and breastmilk provides far more than just whey protein.
Teenager's bodies havent fully matured physically or mentally so I feel they need whole food. What would kind of scare me is the pressure on society to have the lean and rippling bodies that advertising shows us. That body isn't attainable for most people, at least not as a constant lifestyle. With a teen who has some self doubts about his/her physical appearance I think it would be easy to become reliant on something that has no fat or carbs (whey protein) as more than something to replenish spent amino's after a workout.
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Funny I was chatting with my friend's mother about this thread at this gym where her son works. Long story short, her 'son' [friend's little bro] works at the desk of a the gym and is the skinny[est] 15 yr under 110pds kid you will ever see in Canada. He lookings like those poor children in Africa. Well I was informing her of the pros of Whey protien, and she start on her rant about by why do you need it and isnt it not good for you because it not healthly, and all this bogus shit.
I stated clearly for her that Whey Protein is just like eggs just in a powder form and has different flavours. She gave me this look like I well crazy. I gave her to straight up choice, have your son have 6 eggs after a work out or 1 scoop of flavoured Whey Protein? Adding that Whey protein is cheap in the wallet.
She stood there for abit and then declared, but what is Whey Protein, and why do you need it so badly? Thats when I gave up. I have fucking sets to do.
Conclusion: Some people you just can't change once their mind is set on something.
Plus he could always just have it while at work. ;D
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Just what do you think whey is?
Whey is a high quality protein powder from cow's milk. Milk has two proteins: Casein (approx 80%) and Whey Protein (approx 20%). Whey protein is more soluble than casein and also has a higher quality rating. It is often referred to as the "Gold Standard" of protein since it is the most nutritious protein available.
It's a co-product of the cheese making process. The casein, or "curd", and a portion of the milk-fat are separated out to make cheese. The remaining liquid whey goes through a series of specialty filters to separate the whey protein from the lactose and other ingredients in the liquid whey.
Whey protein isolate is the most pure and concentrated form of whey protein available. It contains 90% or more protein and very little (if any) fat and lactose. Whey protein concentrate has anywhere between 29% and 89% protein depending upon the product.
Whey contains many of the same components found in human breast milk and for this reason, is a key ingredient in a wide variety of infant formulas, including those for premature infants. Certain types of whey protein based infant formulas have also been shown to help reduce crying in colicky infants. While breast-feeding is preferred, infant formulas containing whey protein are the next best thing when breast-feeding is not an option.
Can you explain why you would not encourage your child to include something so inexpensive and nutritious in their diet?
Remember the story of Little Miss Muffet?
Princess, your name wouldn't happen to be Melissa would it? ???
I know this RD named Melissa who just absolutely loves to show how much she knows about anything/everything ALL the time......hmmmmmm ??? :o :P
Don't you think that response was a little....well, overkill ??? ;D :D ;)
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Hey, cottage cheese is not a good choice post workout and maybe even the worse. It is slow burner (Casein protein). You actually seperate the whey out of cottage cheese in it's processing. It is a GREAT source of protein and an excellent choice before bedtime but not post workout. Although Arnold thinks milk is for babies it does absorb a little quicker then your other choices (b/c of the whey). The problem with milk it is about a gram/ounce and you need a big hit post workout. For alot of folks that much milk leads to GI complications (gas and bloated feeling). I would bring a piece of steak with me, about 4 ounces, and eat it immediatley after your workout along with a serving of oatmeal mixed with 6 ounces of milk. About 40 grams of protein and a little bit of natural creatine. Sounds primitive but it worked for the old guys (me) before the fancy designer proteins. Hate to get you in trouble but I would save up some $ and buy some whey, hide it. Good Luck
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Hey, cottage cheese is not a good choice post workout and maybe even the worse. It is slow burner (Casein protein).
I'm sorry, could you explain this to me ??? ??? And also what does "slow burner" mean??
Steak is probably the SLOWEST form of protein there is ::) In fact, a good steak before bedtime is the best since it takes all night to digest it...but after a workout for quick absorption, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ::)
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I'm sorry, could you explain this to me ??? ??? And also what does "slow burner" mean??
Steak is probably the SLOWEST form of protein there is ::) In fact, a good steak before bedtime is the best since it takes all night to digest it...but after a workout for quick absorption, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ::)
Actually cottage cheese is slower on the uptake then steak, again b/c of the type of protein. That is why the nighttime proteins use casein. Steak is slow, like chicken, fish...but not as slow as any cheese product. His choices are limited without pure whey. The other benefits of red meat for young lifters far outways cottage cheese. The guy is 15 he is trying to put on muscle I believe red meat is a good choice. The most important thing is getting enough protein. Four ounces of steak is going to give 25-28 grams. How much cottage cheese is he going to have to eat? Alot. I am just trying to be realistic for the guy. I also think the creatine in red meat will be benificial along with all the B vitamins. Before you go on I do not work for the steak counsel I am just a BIG believer in red meat. It has worked for me for 25 years and has worked well with my son. My son is 15 and this is what we eat post workout. He has put on more then 10 pounds of quality lean muscle in the 8 months or so. I know he would have put on some anyway. If the operator wants a sure fire way of putting on quality muscle this is a realistic way to do it. Slow burner, maybe bad choice of words, how about slow absorbtion rate. Good Luck operator.
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Actually cottage cheese is slower on the uptake then steak, again b/c of the type of protein. That is why the nighttime proteins use casein. Steak is slow, like chicken, fish...but not as slow as any cheese product. His choices are limited without pure whey. The other benefits of red meat for young lifters far outways cottage cheese. The guy is 15 he is trying to put on muscle I believe red meat is a good choice. The most important thing is getting enough protein. Four ounces of steak is going to give 25-28 grams. How much cottage cheese is he going to have to eat? Alot. I am just trying to be realistic for the guy. I also think the creatine in red meat will be benificial along with all the B vitamins. Before you go on I do not work for the steak counsel I am just a BIG believer in red meat. It has worked for me for 25 years and has worked well with my son. My son is 15 and this is what we eat post workout. He has put on more then 10 pounds of quality lean muscle in the 8 months or so. I know he would have put on some anyway. If the operator wants a sure fire way of putting on quality muscle this is a realistic way to do it. Slow burner, maybe bad choice of words, how about slow absorbtion rate. Good Luck operator.
Maybe you're right but when I eat steak versus cottage cheese I am full much longer with the steak. By the way 25-28 grams of protein isn't as much as you think, its only one cup of cottage cheese.
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Maybe you're right but when I eat steak versus cottage cheese I am full much longer with the steak. By the way 25-28 grams of protein isn't as much as you think, its only one cup of cottage cheese.
Ledd, you're absolutely right. I really don't know how the hell this guy thinks that you digest red flesh faster than cottage cheese, or even yogurt.
Nothing beats red meat for muscle growth, NOTHING! BUT, you try eating 8oz of dairy preferably yogurt, and see how long it takes before you become hungry again...an HOUR, TOPS! Then, eat 8oz of steak...now, see how long it takes to get past the digestion of all that sat fat, cholesterol, and muscle fibers..hmmmmmmmmmmmmm doesn't take a genius, and for us lowely bodybuilders, it's kinda common sense.
POST WORKOUT, the goal is quick absorption. Fat is the slowest macronutrient to digest, and while your gut is struggling to breakdown that flesh, your muscles are starving. ::)
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Ledd, you're absolutely right. I really don't know how the hell this guy thinks that you digest red flesh faster than cottage cheese, or even yogurt.
Nothing beats red meat for muscle growth, NOTHING! BUT, you try eating 8oz of dairy preferably yogurt, and see how long it takes before you become hungry again...an HOUR, TOPS! Then, eat 8oz of steak...now, see how long it takes to get past the digestion of all that sat fat, cholesterol, and muscle fibers..hmmmmmmmmmmmmm doesn't take a genius, and for us lowely bodybuilders, it's kinda common sense.
POST WORKOUT, the goal is quick absorption. Fat is the slowest macronutrient to digest, and while your gut is struggling to breakdown that flesh, your muscles are starving. ::)
I respect that you are a bodybuilder. What I am telling operator is that if he wants to make quality gains eat as much lean red meat as possuble regarldless of pre or post workout every two to three hours consume some type of lean flesh. I am being real with this young man. And what dies fat have to do with anything here. Operator asked a question and I am giving him an answer, for him, not the seasoned bodybuilder. I am looking at his desire for growth holistically. It is nice to talk about cottage cheese and yogurt, I am assuming plain yogurt, but the truth is the suck in the taste department. Why set someone up to fail? I guarantee you this, guarantee, eat lean flesh as much as possible and you WILL grow. The beef you eat at lunch will be absorbing during and after your workout. Keep it simple operator your fridge is only so big. Good Luck