Big question!

[Ledd]

It would help if I new how old you are but since you cant merely go get your own protein I'm going to venture that you're 16 or younger.  I understand (even though I personally cant stand whey) your desire for whey protein, and I understand your parents perspective as well.  As a parent myself I have to say that I probably wouldnt support my childrens desire for whey, when they are old enough for that lifestyle.  I mean there is nothing wrong with a plain food diet, its not a necessity for a kid around that age to use whey for muscle growth.  At that point in a kids life he/she needs the fat and the carbs as well as the protein, not just for muscle growth, but to help their body mature wholly.  I'm not saying not to diet appropriately, or that whey would somehow negatively effect a kid.  Just that I would counsel my kids to eat whole food until they are competing or feel they need an edge to break through a plateau.  The exception that comes to mind though would be training for wrestling given the nessecary effort to stay in ones ideal weight range.  Just my  $.02, good luck either whey......way.

[Princess L]

I understand your parents perspective as well.  As a parent myself I have to say that I probably wouldnt support my childrens desire for whey, when they are old enough for that lifestyle.  I mean there is nothing wrong with a plain food diet, its not a necessity for a kid around that age to use whey for muscle growth.  At that point in a kids life he/she needs the fat and the carbs as well as the protein, not just for muscle growth, but to help their body mature wholly.  I'm not saying not to diet appropriately, or that whey would somehow negatively effect a kid.  Just that I would counsel my kids to eat whole food until they are competing or feel they need an edge to break through a plateau. 

Just what do you think whey is?

Whey is a high quality protein powder from cow's milk. Milk has two proteins: Casein (approx 80%) and Whey Protein (approx 20%). Whey protein is more soluble than casein and also has a higher quality rating. It is often referred to as the "Gold Standard" of protein since it is the most nutritious protein available.

It's a co-product of the cheese making process.  The casein, or "curd", and a portion of the milk-fat are separated out to make cheese. The remaining liquid whey goes through a series of specialty filters to separate the whey protein from the lactose and other ingredients in the liquid whey.

Whey protein isolate is the most pure and concentrated form of whey protein available. It contains 90% or more protein and very little (if any) fat and lactose. Whey protein concentrate has anywhere between 29% and 89% protein depending upon the product.

Whey contains many of the same components found in human breast milk and for this reason, is a key ingredient in a wide variety of infant formulas, including those for premature infants. Certain types of whey protein based infant formulas have also been shown to help reduce crying in colicky infants. While breast-feeding is preferred, infant formulas containing whey protein are the next best thing when breast-feeding is not an option.

Can you explain why you would not encourage your child to include something so inexpensive and nutritious in their diet?

Remember the story of Little Miss Muffet?

[HickoryStick]

Didn't she get eaten by a spider or something?

[Princess L]

Didn't she get eaten by a spider or something?

Geez 
Don'tcha guys know anything?

Little Miss Muffet sat on a tuffet,
Eating her curds and whey,
Along came a spider who sat down beside her,
And frightened Miss Muffet away!

[Ledd]

Just what do you think whey is?
Whey is a high quality protein powder from cow's milk. Milk has two proteins: Casein (approx 80%) and Whey Protein (approx 20%). Whey protein is more soluble than casein and also has a higher quality rating. It is often referred to as the "Gold Standard" of protein since it is the most nutritious protein available.
It's a co-product of the cheese making process.  The casein, or "curd", and a portion of the milk-fat are separated out to make cheese. The remaining liquid whey goes through a series of specialty filters to separate the whey protein from the lactose and other ingredients in the liquid whey.
Whey protein isolate is the most pure and concentrated form of whey protein available. It contains 90% or more protein and very little (if any) fat and lactose. Whey protein concentrate has anywhere between 29% and 89% protein depending upon the product.
Whey contains many of the same components found in human breast milk and for this reason, is a key ingredient in a wide variety of infant formulas, including those for premature infants. Certain types of whey protein based infant formulas have also been shown to help reduce crying in colicky infants. While breast-feeding is preferred, infant formulas containing whey protein are the next best thing when breast-feeding is not an option.
Can you explain why you would not encourage your child to include something so inexpensive and nutritious in their diet?
Remember the story of Little Miss Muffet?

Like I said in my paragraph, I dont think anything bad of whey, and I understand that whey is a milk derivative, a perfect source of protein if you will.  I also understand that as a parent I couldn't see myself buying a tub (yes I know prices do vary and there are ways to save) of whey protein just for my young teen.  If he could go out and get it himself with his own money and transportation I surely wouldn't stop him, however only to be used directly before and after a workout not as any type of meal replacement.  And nursing babies have quite different needs than a teen, including that they have no other source of liquid than breastmilk or nasty formula.  They need a liquid form of nourishment because they cant eat whole foods as a teen can, and breastmilk provides far more than just whey protein.

Teenager's bodies havent fully matured physically or mentally so I feel they need whole food.  What would kind of scare me is the pressure on society to have the lean and rippling bodies that advertising shows us.  That body isn't attainable for most people, at least not as a constant lifestyle.  With a teen who has some self doubts about his/her physical appearance I think it would be easy to become reliant on something that has no fat or carbs (whey protein) as more than something to replenish spent amino's after a workout.

[ignorance]

Funny I was chatting with my friend's mother about this thread at this gym where her son works. Long story short, her 'son' [friend's little bro] works at the desk of a the gym and is the skinny[est] 15 yr under 110pds kid you will ever see in Canada. He lookings like those poor children in Africa. Well I was informing her of the pros of Whey protien, and she start on her rant about by why do you need it and isnt it not good for you because it not healthly, and all this bogus shit.

I stated clearly for her that Whey Protein is just like eggs just in a powder form and has different flavours. She gave me this look like I well crazy. I gave her to straight up choice, have your son have 6 eggs after a work out or 1 scoop of flavoured Whey Protein? Adding that Whey protein is cheap in the wallet.

She stood there for abit and then declared, but what is Whey Protein, and why do you need it so badly? Thats when I gave up. I have fucking sets to do.

Conclusion: Some people you just can't change once their mind is set on something.

Plus he could always just have it while at work. 

[Brutal_1]

Just what do you think whey is?
Whey is a high quality protein powder from cow's milk. Milk has two proteins: Casein (approx 80%) and Whey Protein (approx 20%). Whey protein is more soluble than casein and also has a higher quality rating. It is often referred to as the "Gold Standard" of protein since it is the most nutritious protein available.
It's a co-product of the cheese making process.  The casein, or "curd", and a portion of the milk-fat are separated out to make cheese. The remaining liquid whey goes through a series of specialty filters to separate the whey protein from the lactose and other ingredients in the liquid whey.
Whey protein isolate is the most pure and concentrated form of whey protein available. It contains 90% or more protein and very little (if any) fat and lactose. Whey protein concentrate has anywhere between 29% and 89% protein depending upon the product.
Whey contains many of the same components found in human breast milk and for this reason, is a key ingredient in a wide variety of infant formulas, including those for premature infants. Certain types of whey protein based infant formulas have also been shown to help reduce crying in colicky infants. While breast-feeding is preferred, infant formulas containing whey protein are the next best thing when breast-feeding is not an option.
Can you explain why you would not encourage your child to include something so inexpensive and nutritious in their diet?
Remember the story of Little Miss Muffet?

Princess, your name wouldn't happen to be Melissa would it?

I know this RD named Melissa who just absolutely loves to show how much she knows about   anything/everything ALL the time......hmmmmmm

Don't you  think that response was  a little....well,  overkill

[biggriss]

Hey, cottage cheese is not a good choice post workout and maybe even the worse. It is slow burner (Casein protein). You actually seperate the whey out of cottage cheese in it's processing. It is a GREAT source of protein and an excellent choice before bedtime but not post workout. Although Arnold thinks milk is for babies it does absorb a little quicker then your other choices (b/c of the whey). The problem with milk it is about a gram/ounce and you need a big hit post workout. For alot of folks that much milk leads to GI complications (gas and bloated feeling). I would bring a piece of steak with me, about 4 ounces, and eat it immediatley after your workout along with a serving of oatmeal mixed with 6 ounces of milk. About 40 grams of protein and a little bit of natural creatine.  Sounds primitive but it worked for the old guys (me) before the fancy designer proteins. Hate to get you in trouble but I would save up some $ and buy some whey, hide it.    Good Luck

[Brutal_1]

Hey, cottage cheese is not a good choice post workout and maybe even the worse. It is slow burner (Casein protein).

I'm sorry, could you explain this to me     And also what does "slow burner" mean??

Steak is probably the SLOWEST form of protein there is   In fact, a good steak before bedtime is the best since it takes all night to digest it...but after a workout for quick absorption, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[biggriss]

I'm sorry, could you explain this to me     And also what does "slow burner" mean??
Steak is probably the SLOWEST form of protein there is   In fact, a good steak before bedtime is the best since it takes all night to digest it...but after a workout for quick absorption, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Actually cottage cheese is slower on the uptake then steak, again b/c of the type of protein. That is why the nighttime proteins use casein. Steak is slow, like chicken, fish...but not as slow as any cheese product. His choices are limited without pure whey. The other benefits of red meat for young lifters far outways cottage cheese. The guy is 15 he is trying to put on muscle I believe red meat is a good choice. The most important thing is getting enough protein. Four ounces of steak is going to give 25-28 grams. How much cottage cheese is he going to have to eat? Alot. I am just trying to be realistic for the guy. I also think the creatine in red meat will be benificial along with all the B vitamins. Before you go on I do not work for the steak counsel I am just a BIG believer in red meat. It has worked for me for 25 years and has worked well with my son.  My son is 15 and this is what we eat post workout. He has put on more then 10 pounds of quality lean muscle in the 8 months or so.  I know he would have put on some anyway. If the operator wants a sure fire way of putting on quality muscle this is a realistic way to do it. Slow burner, maybe bad choice of words, how about slow absorbtion rate. Good Luck operator.

[Ledd]

Actually cottage cheese is slower on the uptake then steak, again b/c of the type of protein. That is why the nighttime proteins use casein. Steak is slow, like chicken, fish...but not as slow as any cheese product. His choices are limited without pure whey. The other benefits of red meat for young lifters far outways cottage cheese. The guy is 15 he is trying to put on muscle I believe red meat is a good choice. The most important thing is getting enough protein. Four ounces of steak is going to give 25-28 grams. How much cottage cheese is he going to have to eat? Alot. I am just trying to be realistic for the guy. I also think the creatine in red meat will be benificial along with all the B vitamins. Before you go on I do not work for the steak counsel I am just a BIG believer in red meat. It has worked for me for 25 years and has worked well with my son.  My son is 15 and this is what we eat post workout. He has put on more then 10 pounds of quality lean muscle in the 8 months or so.  I know he would have put on some anyway. If the operator wants a sure fire way of putting on quality muscle this is a realistic way to do it. Slow burner, maybe bad choice of words, how about slow absorbtion rate. Good Luck operator.

Maybe you're right but when I eat steak versus cottage cheese I am full much longer with the steak.  By the way 25-28 grams of protein isn't as much as you think, its only one cup of cottage cheese.

[Brutal_1]

Maybe you're right but when I eat steak versus cottage cheese I am full much longer with the steak.  By the way 25-28 grams of protein isn't as much as you think, its only one cup of cottage cheese.

Ledd, you're absolutely right.  I really don't know how the hell this guy thinks that you digest red flesh faster than cottage cheese, or even yogurt.

Nothing beats red meat for muscle growth, NOTHING! BUT, you try eating 8oz of dairy preferably yogurt, and see how long it takes before you become hungry again...an HOUR, TOPS!  Then, eat 8oz of steak...now, see how long it takes to get past the digestion of all that sat fat, cholesterol, and muscle fibers..hmmmmmmmmmmmmm  doesn't take a genius, and for us lowely bodybuilders, it's kinda common sense.

POST WORKOUT, the goal is quick absorption.  Fat is the slowest macronutrient to digest, and while your gut is struggling to breakdown that flesh, your muscles are starving.

[biggriss]

Ledd, you're absolutely right.  I really don't know how the hell this guy thinks that you digest red flesh faster than cottage cheese, or even yogurt.
Nothing beats red meat for muscle growth, NOTHING! BUT, you try eating 8oz of dairy preferably yogurt, and see how long it takes before you become hungry again...an HOUR, TOPS!  Then, eat 8oz of steak...now, see how long it takes to get past the digestion of all that sat fat, cholesterol, and muscle fibers..hmmmmmmmmmmmmm  doesn't take a genius, and for us lowely bodybuilders, it's kinda common sense.
POST WORKOUT, the goal is quick absorption.  Fat is the slowest macronutrient to digest, and while your gut is struggling to breakdown that flesh, your muscles are starving.

I respect that you are a  bodybuilder. What I am telling operator is that if he wants to make quality gains eat as much lean red meat as possuble regarldless of pre or post workout every two to three hours consume some type of lean flesh.  I am being real with this young man. And what dies fat have to do with anything here.  Operator asked a question and I am giving him an answer, for him, not the seasoned bodybuilder. I am looking at his desire for growth holistically. It is nice to talk about cottage cheese and yogurt, I am assuming plain yogurt, but the truth is the suck in the taste department. Why set someone up to fail? I guarantee you this, guarantee, eat lean flesh as much as possible and you WILL grow. The beef you eat at lunch will be absorbing during and after your workout. Keep it simple operator your fridge is only so big. Good Luck