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zero trolling--dead serious question
What do you think happens to people after we die? Im curious what someone who seems quite religious thinks? Although I am zero religious I really believe some kind of soul or energy leaves our body
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i have no idea i just hope there is something because life here is to short
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The electricity stops flowing through our nervous system, the blood stops pumping, and entropy takes over returning us to dust. From dust to dust.
Believing in a soul in this day and age is delusional.
i have no idea i just hope there is something because life here is to short
One chance.
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zero trolling--dead serious question
What do you think happens to people after we die? Im curious what someone who seems quite religious thinks? Although I am zero religious I really believe some kind of soul or energy leaves our body
When you die I suspect it's like what things were like before you were born, but I don't remember what that was like.
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What I don't understand is why did my consciousness suddenly come into existence at a certain point in time in this body?
Yes, I understand a sperm fertilized an egg, but that doesn't really answer the question.
I could have been conscious in another person, or an animal, or an alien on another planet, or still non existent at the present time.
Shit doesn't make sense.
It makes perfect sense. The consciousness that you're experiencing is just a consequence of the electrical signals in your particular brain. Your brain is your brain, that's why you are you. You could not have been conscious in another person, or an animal, or an alien on another planet. Animals/consciousnesses are just collections of matter that followed the right conditions to produce life.
Over to Man of Steel.
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Why did it arise in the first place?
You answer is superficial, typical of someone with an average IQ.
It arose in the first place because the laws of physics enabled it. The universe that we are in has enabled matter to produce the complexity that we call life (evolution).
Your conscious self-awareness is just a byproduct of that complexity.
Nothing wrong with being average.
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Why did it arise in the first place?
You answer is superficial, typical of someone with an average IQ.
Agreed.
Most people never face these questions without anysense of depth.
If you did you'd realize that religion got more of a dog in this than most people realize.
How did everything come from nothing?
Even if your a bunch of electrical signals, how the fuck does that make you you.
It arose in the first place because the laws of physics enabled it. The universe that we are in has enabled matter to produce the complexity that we call life (evolution).
Your conscious self-awareness is just a byproduct of that complexity.
Nothing wrong with being average.
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Being dead is probably the same as pre-life. You just don't exist.
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Agreed.
Most people never face these questions without anysense of depth.
If you did you'd realize that religion got more of a dog in this than most people realize.
How did everything come from nothing?
Even if your a bunch of electrical signals, how the fuck does that make you you.
We have no idea whether everything came from nothing or whether it came from something.
It makes you you because you're you. You have a neural network that is complex enough to ponder these questions. You're you because your brain signals are stuck within your particular neural network (brain). Evolution explains the rise of complexity, we're just a consequence of the laws of physics.
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It arose in the first place because the laws of physics enabled it. The universe that we are in has enabled matter to produce the complexity that we call life (evolution).
Your conscious self-awareness is just a byproduct of that complexity.
Nothing wrong with being average.
You understand adding the word "physics" doesn't add depth to the answer nor does the catch all of "evolution" cover the remaining unanswered.
What laws of physics support the development of consciousness and what is consciousness?
How did the generic universe enable matter? What matter? The material state produced a seemingly immaterial state because of swirling stardust and time? Time allowed for brains to randomly and unpurposefully evolve which caused synapses to fire which generated self awareness, creativity, emotion and a vast array of completely intangible thoughts?
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zero trolling--dead serious question
What do you think happens to people after we die? Im curious what someone who seems quite religious thinks? Although I am zero religious I really believe some kind of soul or energy leaves our body
Great question. I'll give it some thought....it's one I often noodle LOL.
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The question of what happens after we die is certainly fascinating.
Johnny Falcon may have suggestions here.
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I apologize for implying you are average, it came out of frustration.
What I'm trying to say is that, from the beginning of the big bang, 13.8xxxx billion years elapsed, then all of a sudden my consciousness arises. What determined that it would occur at that moment in the timeline of the universe, in a particular location in that universe?
It seems random, or is it?
It's not random at all. From that moment of inception fate determined it. You became part of the timeline.
You came into being at that particular time and location because you're extremely lucky. Try and make the best of it. :)
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You understand adding the word "physics" doesn't add depth to the answer nor does the catch all of "evolution" cover the remaining unanswered.
What laws of physics support the development of consciousness and what is consciousness?
How did the generic universe enable matter? What matter? The material state produced a seemingly immaterial state because of swirling stardust and time?
You have these great questions, yet you believe in religion / creation. If you weren't deluded by religion your mind would be free to ponder these questions.
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It's not random at all. From that moment of inception fate determined it. You became part of the timeline.
You came into being at that particular time and location because you're extremely lucky. Try and make the best of it. :)
What is "fate"?
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You have these great questions, yet you believe in religion / creation. If you weren't deluded by religion your mind would be free to ponder these questions.
The ole "deluded" dodge....it's always the opener or the closer.
Maybe next I could "go read a book".
FYI I actually revised my initial reply...it includes more questions.
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The question of JC's existence is not that important. Even more importantly, is how much does he lift?
Im guessing he can easily bench press 4 planets, 36 clouds, and a multi-universe.
(http://www.stinque.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/normal_muscle_jesus.jpg)
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electwicity
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The ole "deluded" dodge....it's always the opener or the closer.
Maybe next I could "go read a book".
FYI I actually revised my initial reply...it includes more questions.
Couldn't hurt
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I think "dying" is kind of plastic.
Some people "die" but they are in a coma.
Some people "die" and then a surprisingly long time later they are brought back to life.
You can't "trick" a non-materilaistic view of life and say: "HEY! this guys was dead, and now he is not, therefore your view of an afterlife is invalid!
Just as an afterlife is fluid, so is "life."
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I believe one of the reasons why we have many questions about death, or we focus a lot on death is really the uncertainty of death. With life, we know it goes on. We are sure of that. We also take for granted that we wake up day after day. We take for granted our lives, and most today are not grateful or thankful for the life that they have or their loved ones. And so when death comes, it seems like the "finale", and we would like to know how is it at the end? We want to be assured of something that we don't know about, until it happens to us. And nobody has really come back and said, "death is like..."
If I were to hazard a guess, I probably think that death is like life and both form an infinite loop (life-death, life death). And it is needed for life to go on, just as life is needed by death to go on.
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;) like
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Being dead is probably the same as pre-life. You just don't exist.
I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.
Mark Twain
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zero trolling--dead serious question
What do you think happens to people after we die? Im curious what someone who seems quite religious thinks? Although I am zero religious I really believe some kind of soul or energy leaves our body
I decided to keep my response simple and honest.
When we die our bodies simply decay and are gone.....the shell eventually turns to dust. I dont understand all the medicine behind decay but in general that occurs.
I am a man of faith and as such believe the essence of each of us is our soul. When we die that spiritual essenece or soul continues to exist in the presence of God or seperated from God.
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Couldn't hurt
Figured this would be the case and as is common with such replies all my previous follow-up questions will remain unanswered.
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I decided to keep my response simple and honest.
When we die our bodies simply decay and are gone.....the shell eventually turns to dust. I dont understand all the medicine behind decay but in general that occurs.
I am a man of faith and as such believe the essence of each of us is our soul. When we die that spiritual essenece or soul continues to exist in the presence of God or seperated from God.
Except shizzo.
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I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.
Mark Twain
When you think about it, were basically already dead, it's already been decided more or less.
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Our essence seems to be eternal and we can "feel" that there may be a lot more to it than walking the earth caught in a ham... and a meager or sick one if you're unlucky.
I have to search for the name/pdf of a book I've read some time ago which was written by danish dude who fled for Argentine.
He claimed that after he started speaking about the roots of our existence on TV he was "asked to leave"... not only the studio but the country. ... epic getbig attitude by the government.
Remote Viewing is another interesting phenomenon to spend some time when gauging the nature of life/existence.
ManOfSoil has strong faith which is a big plus and is way healthier than a nihilistic world view... add to that his healthy appetite and you have solid human being. :D
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Saying "conscience" is just electrical signal is borderline retarded! Even top of the line biophysicist and neuro-biologist are not sure of what makes us self aware and at most, we have elegant thories: http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fpsyg.2011.00004/full
What I never got is that I am still "conscious" even when my sense are totally deprived. That part, I never understood: no stimuli, yet there is a response.
I don't know what happens after death but I suspects something survives. I don't think evolution as an end, the universe is far too vast, complex and perfect in it's design to be just the fruit of pure chaos. Matter is self-organizing and most of the time, the most complex organisms seem to be more than just the sum of their part.
Besidesm there seems to have been a great number of people that "stumbled" upon a deeper meaning to our lives and have lived life that are, by all account, extraordinary (Jesus, Bouddha, Mahommet, Kristnamurthi etc...). Judging by their results and the peace of mind they attained, it seems to be reasonable that there might be something more than just the materialistic interpretation of reality.
But it is a very polar issue: believer and materialists will never agree on that, each having evidence to support their claim. In my opinion, saying science can explain everything is arrogant and borderline psychotic.
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Hey MOS, do you believe in ghost?
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Consciousness is a quantum phenomenon, the human brain is just a vehicle through which quantum consciousness can access this physical realm. Religion is man's historical attempt to explain this phenomenon. When your physical body dies, your quantum consciousness returns to the non-physical dimension it came from.
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Can you imagine not being?
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Consciousness is a quantum phenomenon, the human brain is just a vehicle through which quantum consciousness can access this physical realm. Religion is man's historical attempt to explain this phenomenon. When your physical body dies, your quantum consciousness returns to the non-physical dimension it came from.
I'm interested. Would you define for me the terms quantum, quantum phenomenon, quantum consciousness as it pertains to your reply?
Would you also help me understand the non-physical dimension? What and where it is? How it came to be?
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Our essence seems to be eternal and we can "feel" that there may be a lot more to it than walking the earth caught in a ham... and a meager or sick one if you're unlucky.
I have to search for the name/pdf of a book I've read some time ago which was written by danish dude who fled for Argentine.
He claimed that after he started speaking about the roots of our existence on TV he was "asked to leave"... not only the studio but the country. ... epic getbig attitude by the government.
Remote Viewing is another interesting phenomenon to spend some time when gauging the nature of life/existence.
ManOfSoil has strong faith which is a big plus and is way healthier than a nihilistic world view... add to that his healthy appetite and you have solid human being. :D
Big faith produces a big appetite! ;)
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Hey MOS, do you believe in ghost?
As it pertains to spiritual, demonic activity. I firmly believe the ghost sightings many have experienced is pure demonic activity.
In fact, all supernatural, occult experiences are grounded in demonic activity.
Certainly some are invented...I grant that.
I also completely believe in and have repeatedly experienced the tangible presence of the Holy Spirit.
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Food for the Ants...
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nothing happen. You just disapear. Some say nothing happen before you die, when you re alive, that it's somewhat all in your head, things just are until they arent.
Why did it arise in the first place?
You answer is superficial, typical of someone with an average IQ.
There is no need to be a "why". The question why only occurs in humans, other animal species dont ask themselves "why". Our consciousness is a product of evolution, just like everything else. It serves an evolutionary purpose, it helps dominating others. Problem is when it starts destroying itself.
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I'm interested. Would you define for me the terms quantum, quantum phenomenon, quantum consciousness as it pertains to your reply?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadows_of_the_Mind
I warn you now, it is a heavy tome, but well worth the effort.
Would you also help me understand the non-physical dimension? What and where it is? How it came to be?
It is the land of the machine elves. I've been there, so can verify its existence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N,N-Dimethyltryptamine
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Big faith produces a big appetite! ;)
it's your genes that define your appetite, dumbfuck, not your "faith".
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As it pertains to spiritual, demonic activity. I firmly believe the ghost sightings many have experienced is pure demonic activity.
In fact, all supernatural, occult experiences are grounded in demonic activity.
Certainly some are invented...I grant that.
I also completely believe in and have repeatedly experienced the tangible presence of the Holy Spirit.
What if it was just gas?
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What if it was just gas?
Some have experienced sweet smells when in the presence of the Holy Spirit. I have not experienced that, but I can assure you that none of my gas is sweet LOL!!
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it's your genes that define your appetite, dumbfuck, not your "faith".
class act as always uberman
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As it pertains to spiritual, demonic activity. I firmly believe the ghost sightings many have experienced is pure demonic activity.
In fact, all supernatural, occult experiences are grounded in demonic activity.
Certainly some are invented...I grant that.
I also completely believe in and have repeatedly experienced the tangible presence of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus performed supernatural and occult healings, manifestations and so forth, suppose he gets away with it as he was/is the only son of god.
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Jesus performed supernatural and occult healings, manifestations and so forth, suppose he gets away with it as he was/is the only son of god.
I need a bit of help here in understanding what you mean.
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What I never got is that I am still "conscious" even when my sense are totally deprived. That part, I never understood: no stimuli, yet there is a response.
Lets see if google helped me not fuck this up.
Nihil est in intellectu quod non prius fuerit in sensu.
- Aquinas
...nisi ipse intellectus, Tommy.
- Leibniz
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Lets see if google helped me not fuck this up.
Nihil est in intellectu quod non prius fuerit in sensu.
- Aquinas
...nisi ipse intellectus, Tommy.
- Leibniz
Pretty much. How can consciousness be conscious of itself... Intelligence cannot be self contained... yet it is.
I don't want to go all Jaden Smith here but consciousness is amazing to me.
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When you die I suspect it's like what things were like before you were born, but I don't remember what that was like.
I remember swimming in the dark, really fast, surrounded by what seemed like a multitude of guys who looked just like me. Sometimes I wonder whatever happened to all those guys. :(
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As it pertains to spiritual, demonic activity. I firmly believe the ghost sightings many have experienced is pure demonic activity.
In fact, all supernatural, occult experiences are grounded in demonic activity.
Certainly some are invented...I grant that.
I also completely believe in and have repeatedly experienced the tangible presence of the Holy Spirit.
So a dead relative that visits you, is really a demonic creature ?
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Interesting topic on different levels. What makes us "us"? Some would argue that it's the soul that gives us different personalities and makes us different. I've thought that true before, as I've thought there was an afterlife before. But these days I believe it is our brain with it's slightly different wiring that makes us individuals. If you have any doubts about that, you probably don't know anyone who had a serious brain injury that totally turned them from an outgoing fun person to a real asshole almost overnight. Total change of personality due to brain damage. I've also grown comfortable with the likelyhood that when we die, we cease to exist, just like before we were born. It ends there. I'm okay with that.
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So a dead relative that visits you, is really a demonic creature ?
Remember my response contained the word "occult" (ex: witchcraft, santaria, voodoo, devil worship, etc...).
Are you often visited by dead relatives?
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Interesting topic on different levels. What makes us "us"? Some would argue that it's the soul that gives us different personalities and makes us different. I've thought that true before, as I've thought there was an afterlife before. But these days I believe it is our brain with it's slightly different wiring that makes us individuals. If you have any doubts about that, you probably don't know anyone who had a serious brain injury that totally turned them from an outgoing fun person to a real asshole almost overnight. Total change of personality due to brain damage. I've also grown comfortable with the likelyhood that when we die, we cease to exist, just like before we were born. It ends there. I'm okay with that.
Personality is in the brain, no doubt about that. Yet there is an underlying level, consciousness, that is not affected even when suffering from brain injuries.
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The brain has a high level of plasticity. So, if you view it as a lens through which you can experience this realm through, and the lens is malleable to the peculiarities of this realm, it makes sense that the brains experiences result in shaping the lens and therefore your experience of this realm.
For example: Bodybuilder Lex Reeves is a fat sack of shit, who lives with his mum, was bullied by physically superior specimens all his life and his lens has been warped into spending his time trying to seek revenge through the art of trolling bodybuilding sites. However, his conscience, when it leaves this realm, will revert to a body-less state where it will no longer be shackled by the pea-brained thinking that he currently displays.
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lots of getbiggers trying to pur the sea into a cup